Interesting fact: Mickey saved Donald the same way Lily saved Henry back during "Stories of War". Had it been Douglas instead, it would've been a full circle moment
I can imagine if Edward narrated the part where the engines saw Thomas off, it's likely it would of been quite much like this: "The following morning, we gathered to say goodbye to our #1. The Fat Controller thanked Robert for all he could do to try and save his life. Many tears were shed by all of us, including Annie, Clarabel, Kate, Percy and even Francis, who said he was sorry for being stubborn towards our fallen friend. Sir Topham gave Francis the all clear to depart, and he somberly pulled away. As he did so, Percy, Kate, Annie and Clarabel cried the loudested out of all of us, because they knew he was a hero through and through for removing the petrol tanker away and preventing the death toll from being much worse! When Donald returned to service, Derek told our #9 the whole aftermath."
You can really tell how much victor’s voice acting has improved over the years. The pain in tophams delivery of the news added so much to an already shocking scene
"Mickey, what are you doing?! Move!" "No." *Refuses to elaborate further* *Dies* The single best line of dialogue in the entire series. Mickey died in the same way Lily died, 22 years later.
i hope someone like Thomas ends up going into the path to the dead and revives him and we get our number one back. the cover story could be that someone was experimenting with a new water mixer to revive an engine who died unwillingly and Thomas was the first pick or he was only in a coma with a very faint pulse.
@@user-xp9bi7qe2uthat's true. The name of Arthur must've been a coincidence as his class prototype was an exact replica to him. Thomas however was an E2, which were probably withdrawn from service around this time so it's either a possibility he was rebuilt using a faceless intact version of his class with a procedure similar to a brain transplant.
This has been a truly heartbreaking season. Weve lost Geoffrey, Peter, Mr. Zorro, Mickey... and our number one, Thomas the Tank Engine. Farewell, Thomas; Hero of the Elsbridge and Knapford Railway, the London and Northeastern Railway, The Wild Norwesters, and the Northwestern Railway.
Tanzig... I'm struggling right now. You've killed the literal #1. With all the supernatural phenomenon of sodor I was almost expecting a miracle rebirth
Given how Barry Scrapyard operated, and all the other supernatural shit that happens in this series, I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas does make some kind of revival
@@dogyslime9954 given the fact that Thomas is seemingly the only E2 that worked without fail, why turn him into a hybrid? Why try and fix what isn’t broken?
The part where Thomas was being given a hero's farewell was very moving to say the least. Having said that, Mickey's death was also very sad too. Sodor and it's engines have so much to thank him for. Percy will honour Thomas by looking after Annie and Clarabel becoming his coaches and Derek will likely be the watchful fire and rescue guardian of Sodor but perhaps finding another engine to become his sidekick. I'm glad Donald survived as losing him would've left Douglas heartbroken. As for Francis I know he was at odds with the other engines in the beginning but I feel that he will now be the engine to replace Peter who also sadly was taken.
Yeah victor could at least made Peter last until season 6 and then kill him because we didn't see him until the very last episode of season 4 and didn't last for 10 episodes before getting killed by that German bastard
Damn. Mickey's death was unexpected, but it really shows who he was. Every firefighter, and even every cop, knows that they need be to willing to risk their lives to protect others. He did just that, saving Donald and keeping Douglas from enduring more trauma. Here's to hoping some of the theories I've seen in this comment section pan out and Thomas comes back in a later season. Could make for an interesting surprise for a season finale
@@fanofeverything30465 the way he was transported away from Sodor, along with how much green water was apparently put in him, I think Victor left the door open to bring him back in future if he wants to. And I just had a neat idea on how he could come back, but it's a bit of a longshot, and something that would definitely draw some mixed opinions
can we just take a moment for douglas? the guy was in the war, lost his girlfriend, accidentally killed dominic, deals with the guilt from that, then had to deal with dominics ghost, and has conflicts with both henry and gordon concerning lily. and then his twin almost gets blown up in a blast. i am so thankful for mickey, douglas needed to catch a break.
@@dragonblaster-vu8wz Sending him to Barry Island definitely wasn’t for no reason, not to mention Wilbert doesn’t write about the dead, but Tramway Engines was published in 1972.
Wow! I was not expecting an ending like this, what a plot change. Everyone was theorizing that Mr. Hall was responsible for Mr. Zorro, Geoffrey, and Thomas deaths, but it was his brother all along, what a shocking ending. Also, the fact that Mickey’s death is eerily reminiscent of Lilly’s death.
Just so you guys know that if you cried (like me) that Thomas died you know that Victor really did a great job (storytelling wise) Thank you Victor! Have a wonderful Christmas/New year!
Exactly I feel Victor only did this to ensure his channel is gonna be losing viewers Trust I'm Officially Rioting against this channel for the Unfair death of Thomas it should had been either duck or someone else Never Thomas
What a way to end the season. Losing Thomas and Mickey really breaks my heart. We finally found out who was responsible for all the destruction. Excellent episode Victor. Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
don’t worry i think thomas will come back in later season mainly because he is shipped to barry island and he will probably be picked up by heritage groups
@@tillieproductions most of the time Thomas was unconscious . Derreck did say that Thomas also had green water in him. So maybe Thomas is in coma like state
What a whirlwind of a season that was, so many lives lost on this journey. Rest in peace Geoffrey, Peter, Mr. Zorro, Mickey, Thomas, and even you Benson...
I really do hope Thomas makes a comeback in the future. I can see in a video that just when Francis is getting ready to leave and he hears Thomas coughing quietly and he realizes that Thomas is still alive but in very very critical condition and he would have to be fixed right there on spot since moving him would be too risky but at the end of the day it’s Victors call on if that happens or not What do you think Victor ?
As much as I want him to be alive, the likelihood of that happening is as likely for all the stars aligning. To quote Edward, "Miracles Seldom Happen." If he is alive, I will buy a Thomas figure.
Or maybe victor can do the same thing he did with arthur but i think it would make more sence if he was in a coma from 1965 to maybe 1970 and when topham hears about it he's brought home and is fixed up
My god. Victor actually followed through with killing off Thomas. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who was prepared for this, but that doesn’t make it any less painful. And the plot twist with Mr. Hall’s brother was something I’m sure no one saw coming. Great job and Merry Christmas, Victor. RIP Geoffrey, Peter Mr. Zorro, and Thomas the Tank Engine.
I'm still pretty salty (no pun intended, given the diesel's debut last season) about Thomas being killed... but this does beg the question. How many times has Thomas died in a fan project now?
I'm really upset and mad at the killing off thomas idea, he needs to rewrite this episode and have thomas turn out be alive like Ten cents in the tugs inspiration or have one of his surviving e2 brothers or a replica built to replace the thomas we lost with the memories of the original intact. Victor Tanzig, I hope you'll listen to us who love thomas.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 well don't lose too much faith. Notice how Thomas went to Barry Island. When others went, their remains were just "taken to a scrapyard and melted down." But Victor specifically mentioned Barry Island, where a very significant scrapyard existed. Most folks know that the majority of engines that went into Barry are actually preserved to this day. Perhaps Thomas isn't "dead" just a deep coma or something? Would be curious to know if I am right, and if so, how he survived.
@@arenjtumastens I had another idea in mind: Sean Creedy goes to the afterlife after killing himself to cover his tracks. He’s about to reunite with his mother when the spirits of Thomas, Benson, Mickey, and Geoffrey come out of nowhere and beat him up like a piñata!
I never liked thomas in the show but I almost cried when they reveald that he died. I started to love him because of these stories. Rest in peace Thomas ,our favorite number one engine.
So... yeah. This was an episode. I don't usually comment on episodes left on here, but I feel I had to this time (and the reason it's this long is because I watched the leak and made up my thoughts yesterday; I did hold on until watching this episode to post it all in case Victor pulled a fast one over the leakers and gave us a different episode to what was intended). Spoilers follow so be warned. Season 5 as a whole; I've seen a fair amount of people complain about the short runtimes and how a lot of the events feel badly executed - which I get. I admit that whilst the shorter episodes have felt cohesive on the whole, I've always enjoyed the longer episodes over 20 mins or more. The running season theme of attacks on the railway is a very strong one with plenty of gripping moments and some genuinely shocking ones, but I do feel that with longer episodes, the impact could have been much better. Revenge was perhaps the best edited story of the season with a truly chilling final minute. Munitions, however? A bit of a letdown. I know in the past that having TUGS episodes as SoS episode narratives has worked - but not here; the short run-time doesn't help and hardly much of the actual fire and explosions was seen. Things do get better with this episode, but I also feel like as though Mickey's death was barely given much attention considering how major he has been from the start. S5 had strong ideas, but lacking in the execution overall. Longer episodes for future! Now we move onto Thomas... I'm just gonna straight up say it, I don't think he's dead. Think about Barry in Rescued - he was given green water in 1958 and didn't wake up until being given big enough of a bump; people assumed he was faceless and dead. Derek said they filled Thomas to the brim with green water so he wasn't in pain, but what if the amount they gave him was enough to knock him out to the point where he looked, sounded and was considered dead? Then consider what Sir Topham Hatt said; Francis was to take him to Barry in South Wales. I had to do my research... but considering the implications of Barry scrapyard, we have not seen the last of Thomas by any stretch and I foresee a big return for the tank engine in Season 6. The idea of him being away from Sodor for decades just... doesn't sit well with me. But here's what I've really been thinking about the last few days; Francis. Slowly but surely, we have seen a big change in his character, not too far off possibly from Thomas1Edward2Henry's portrayal of 199 (or Ted, sorry)- from his delight at seeing Rob Hall and his genuine support of Barry back in Experiment, to his sharing the steamies' dislike of Benson, to the sequence we see between the 9th and 10 minutes. I first thought maybe Francis's sadness was just an act of solidarity with the engines considering how much Thomas meant to Sodor. But what if it's something more? Either Francis feels guilt for a potential role he thinks he played in the disaster (the truth didn't come out until after he'd left so it's possible), or he's genuinely devastated at Thomas's death and is starting to realise the steamies aren't as bad as he thought they were - what if this inspires a complete turn in his character and he becomes a mainstay on Sodor? Maybe an episode in S6 could see him request a transfer to Sodor and then act nothing like he usually is, leading to him admitting he blames himself for Thomas's death and wants to atone? But in all, this has been another great ride, Victor. Thank you for everything and here's to a great 2024 for you; have a good one!
I appreciate the more positive lights of this review. And your take on this season is similar to mine. The voiceless montages really don’t justify how long it took production of this season and the 4th. And since voicing them was crucial, albeit the montage of everyone cleaning up the docks and desperately repairing Thomas was the only time (in my opinion) a voiceless montage done righ
I think you may be right on the money here. It’s too easy to agree with all your points, especially advocating for longer episodes. They are more substantial anyway. I think an episode for all the deceased characters is very much needed, especially Mickey. I don’t think we can understate the significance of what SCPs of so did set up. There probably is a lot of defective green water and it is plausible that Thomas makes it back. Either way, having him presumed dead is a good story mechanic here.
Let's only hope that Thomas is in a deep sleep and he finds himself back in sodor at some point and maybe have him with the memory of being in Barry scrapyard? But not the other engines
I’m happy the terrible events are over but I’m still sad about Thomas. And what a twist, the brother theory was up there but it almost seemed to good to be true. Nice going Victor, you rock as a story author
What about the brake van from the final episode of season 4 (I can't remember his name) how he had a mental breakdown saying he died cause of a German bomber plane and how "he saw Adam lily and Colin and what about that cave from scps of sodor that brought dead people back to life I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see Thomas and even if we don't correct me if I'm wrong but the e2s weren't removed from service until the 1970s so we could have a separate e2 come in to replace thomas or a replica engine could be built in his honor but hey that's just a theory a sodor theory
This season finale was every bit as intense as I expected it would be, although I certainly wasn't expecting Victor to go through with killing off Thomas of all characters. Looking back on Season 5 as a whole, though, it really could have used longer episode runtimes and less instrumental montages, in order to allow the important events (mainly the character deaths) to properly sink in for the audience. Victor, if you're reading this, my hope is that you take all the time that you need in creating Season 6, so that it doesn't suffer from the same pacing issues that Season 5 suffered from.
I don’t even know what to say. I’ve watched this for years and to have the willingness to kill of the namesake of this whole franchise is crazy to me and you took that chance. Excited to see what else is in store
Mickey's last words to Donald before he saved his life: "No" This season was a very good season but also a bit rushed at the same time. And wonder 1965 was a grim year for Sodor because hell broke loose when Geoffrey had his accident on episode 1 which killed him insteantly and that Peter was shot dead in episode 8 by one his victims who wanted revenge on him for many years. Then Shawn Creedy took his revenge on Mr. Zorro and shot him and Mr. Zorro died as a result... Toby was right about the whole munitions disaster in episode 9 because Benson bumped a train on track one but the train on track two had lit up because Shawn had probably put a timer on it which led to what happened and then there was the Killdane Scrapyards incident where some sort of bomb shell was still in the scrap rubble and thankfully Toby and Derek made it out and Donald unfortunately got his breaks loose and brave Mickey saved his life as a result... Now I will talk about Thomas... I wasn't expecting the number 1 to die but Derek said that he was filled with green water and not black and from other information I learned from other viewers is that Barry Island Scrapyards is a scrapyard only for scrapping rolling stock but there were engines who were scrapped but I think there is more to it? Maybe Thomas would wake up and have amnesia like Brian had? I still think that Robert Hall is innocent and is nothing like his twin brother but the problem is that Shawn never left a clue... No sign of him being the saboteur or anything like that? And that fact that Shawn was the first person who saw his mother dead and he probably wanted revenge on Henry, Donald and Mr. Zorro... Do you think Shawn was the culprit who killed those innocent people and engines? Who knows but let's give our condolences to the people and engines who lost their lives in 1965... Rest in Peace... Geoffrey Peter Mr. Zorro Thomas The 56 people during the munitions disaster... (Benson would rot in hell who cares about him) Thank you so much Victor Tanzig for this amazing season and can't wait for what's coming next! Edit: I forgot to mention that the season focused on Donald a lot like he is the main protagonist of the season!
So the significance of the Barry Scrapyard is that of the 300 or so steam locomotives they took in, 200+ made it into preservation (the exact numbers are slipping my mind currently, so don't 100% hold me to that number). Most of the UK's preserved locomotives come from Barry. So Thomas going specifically to Woodham Brothers Scrapyard in Barry would make for a keen story about how he somehow lived and was preserved.
I'll be honest, I didn't expect Thomas to survive last episode, but that first half of this one gave me hope, only for it to be yanked away again. Feels odd not to have the NWR's #1 in a series... but all the same, I can't understate how brilliantly written this season was. Amazing work Victor!
SoS is mean’t to focus on all TTTE Characters and Thomas didn’t get much spotlight so this death does three things to me: Angers me, Saddens me and Shocks me.
Maybe there will be a new e2 brother or replica thomas to be the new 1 and the jinity in the intro is a temporary replacement like vinnie in family guy and they bring him back in the next season.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Well that could actually work and there could be a plot where Percy has to get over the fact Thomas is gone forever and there needs to be a new No. 1 to take Thomas’ place and him finding out it’s Thomas’ brother makes him okay with it.
I have a theory that Thomas might be brought back because he was sent to the Barry Island scrapyard. That was a place where lots of steam locomotives were saved from scrap and preserved.
Oh f*ck...this is a rather "unique" ending. We FINALLY reached the conclusion of the grimest season of SoS, and I must say in all this was a rollercoaster. Let's start with the positives: - The mystery of the murderer was FINALLY revealed to us: Shawn Creedy, the brother of Robert Hall. It was satisfactory to watch how Donald pulled all the strings together to find out who was the culprit. - Also, Shawn killing himself in the end was a great ending, because with this we see how a tragic event can destroy someone's life, and going only for revenge. His destructive goal and suicide just makes it an even sadder ending. - We lost many engines (+ Mr. Zorro - RIP to all of them), but for me, seeing Thomas dead is just mindblowing. This decision is one of the bravest that I have ever seen in the fandom, great job Victor! I read a theory down in the comments that he is not death, but in a similar green-water caused coma, just like what Barry had, but I don't want it to be true. I know that Thomas's character still has potencial, but I'm positive that this loss to the engines will certainly cause stories which we have never seen before and I'm pretty excited to see them in the future. - The ending showed that the Arlesdale engines will come to the island, i hope that Duke will return to that railway to show them the ropes, while remembering the past in those days. And now, here are my list of negatives: - I think I speak for all of us that fallout should have been longer than nearly 17 minutes (25 minutes would have been the minimum imo), because it had climaxes that didn't reach the high points (Thomas's death, the reveal of the murderer) - Micky's death was sad and surprising, but rushed, more time was needed to accept and grief on him - Shawn Creedy was only seen in the end, some scenes of his motivation and action would have made his character and the episode as a whole better Ui.: I just realized that in the beginning (1:39) you can see the munitions train, while simultainiously he gets his house back. All in all, this season was really good, with some unlikable and questionable moments/decisions, but definitely a good one. Happy new year to you Victor and to the others as well. Happy new year!
R.I.P Mickey. Hail to the chief. I noticed that some of the characters killed in this season "mirror" characters killed in stories of war. Thomas and Collin were killed similarly, both sets of crews died, and were both numbered 1. Zoro for Star, Geoffrey for Alfred, heck even the mongrels Benson for Jeffries.
Or maybe not like frankenweenie, they will bring him back from the dead as a replica or one of the e2 brothers replacing him or him waking up and having amnesia like Brain and show the nwr 1 is still there in some form like with other fan projects.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Well, if you think about it, Thomas was the only one of his class ever built. Like Bruce and Gordon, he was most likely a prototype tank engine.
Bravo Victor. Bravo. I stand by that you are one of the best writers in the community and really on youtube. The reveal of Hall and his brother with the flashbacks was already griping me to the edge of my seat, and then seeing that scene from what, Season 1 or 2? My gosh man, glorious. Thomas’ death too, that was a perfect curveball considering no original series character had ever died yet, gut wrenching. Again, bravo.
Bertie: You know, I remember when I first met Thomas. Edward: Didn't you and him have a race and didn't know it was illegal? Bertie: Yeah. He won, and I told him I'd have to grow wings in order to beat him on the top of the hill. Edward: Wow......! Maybe I was a bit too hard on Thomas that time.
Thomas isn't dead, I believe. I've noticed, that characters who die in the series, are not shown in the intro - but Thomas is still there. Another thing - I believe his story will be similair to that of Barry - the green water knocked him out, but after a while ( and a bump ) Barry woke up. And seeing, as Thomas was taken to Barry scrapyard - a place where engines stood for decades - i believe the last left in 2013. I have seen many people also say, that Thomas will return, and I think so too.
I am shocked he killed off a main character and Thomas no less. I really thought only non canon characters would bite the dust but im sad to say that isnt the case here. I truly hope we dont have any more desths on sodor in the coming stories.
Maybe he could come back turning out to be unconscious and just full of green water, his ghost possessing one of his brothers or he losing his memories and becoming child like or as a replica (the rws thomas is gone and the tv series thomas is born).
Brilliant season! I can’t say anything better than that! Well done…despite losing so many characters in a short amount of time! This was an amazing season!
Holy hell that was intense! Mickey is a true hero! As for the others, this was a rollercoaster of an episode. Hopefully we get an episode for all those who have fallen. Fabulous episode and season Victor!
I've heard that Barry Scrapyard only deals with rolling stock, so supposedly something happens to Thomas there that causes him to return to live and be brought back to Sodor. He WAS filled with green water anyway, and maybe he'd go through just about the same situation that Barry went through. Only, he wouldn't be stuck there for seven years, and it would all happen within the same year. This should happen, as we must have him back, or the franchise and this series won't ever be the same without him!
I could not disagree with you more. Emotional yes, butbgreat...No. No, This was not a good episode, let alone season finale. Killing Thomas was a very stupid, horrible choice. This whole episode was a huge dramatic mess. Not good at all. Dare I say, this was a terrible season finale.
@@FRIEND38 i saw a comment that said "maybe Thomas got green water coma and he didn't die" that guy can be right bc the same happend to Barry too. I think he will reappear maybe not
My God... You brilliant madlad, you actually committed to taking the series #1 from the story... *Sigh* It's a genuine heartbreak to know Thomas the Tank Engine is well and truly gone from Sodor. Not even Mr. Hall could save him... God rest your soul, Thomas. You'll be well and truly missed by all. A great season overall victor. Granted, there were undeniable hiccups with pacing, but I imagine it was likely unavoidable for reasons you alone know. Solid 8/10. A big swath of lost characters and a main lead...
Actually theirs whispers amongst the comment sections, Barry scrap yard in real life had steam engines sit their for decades the last on left in like 2013, given how much green water their was in his tank… he may be back
No, No No No No No! Thomas? Our number one, Tank Engine... Died? The Main Character of the original show? I don't believe that! There is no way! And Mickey Too? This is just sad! 😞😢😭💔
4 months late, but here's something interesting about non-faceless vehicles; their faces disappear when they die. so if Thomas is dead, why does he still have his face, hm?
I wish we got more of an reaction from kate, annie, and Clarabelle. And the fact D199 was sad really drove the point home that this was a tragedy also to set the record straight. Both benson and mickey were completely wiped out. ((Probably because they don't have scrap lookalikes like thomse does)) this is why they didnt get a service. And were probably added to thomas's memorial as a way to remember.
Anyone else get the feeling we're watching a most deaths possible speedrun? Jokes aside, I guess you have to give credit for being daring enough to write such a plot point. However, I can't help but feel the rushed pace of this season and shorter episode lengths hurts it. It means less time on character development, and the higher frequency of these things happening in this season makes them feel less impacting per occurrence. Now, Victor can write good stories. We know he can, and I know he's responded to these criticisms with a lot of grace and humility considering how rabid some people get. I just hope Victor puts his health first rather than forcing himself to produce stuff he's not enjoying. So if you are going to criticise, don't be a massive peach about it. Criticism should provide feedback, not useless insults.
This comment is perfect. Not a fan as well with the pacing, as well as the shorter run time. Part of it is a bit selfish, as obviously we all want more more more. But, certain scenes and events, IMHO, are not played out as long as they should, and they come across as more confusing and less impactful. The Geoffrey episode, IMO, is one where this is most prominent. He went from having a fairly bad, but "I've seen worse" accident to "Oh. He's gone." A bit shocking, but not in the good way. I was left more confused about it, with some episodes/scenes I have to go back and rewatch to try and understand. But with us, and others saying that, we forget how freaggin hard it is to write and make a series like this. And for five seasons, with two mini series to boot? Yeesh, I'm sure it is difficult to keep the creative juices flowing! And I know Victor has discussed his feelings of burn out at times, so I think your reminder is fantastic, and kudos to you for it. And Victor, anything said here is not to dog on you mate! You do great work, keep it up! We all love ya.
9:51 I can only imagine how Kate must've felt seeing her former boyfriend being hauled away on a flatbed to the scrapyard. And who's going to pull Annie and Clarabel now that Thomas is gone?
I'm sorry but if there's a season 6, I probably won't be watching it. I haven't been a fan of this season since it started, this episode just made it official for me
I said it once and I'll say it again: Thomas was so THE Optimus Prime of the previous episode! And Mickey was also the Optimus Prime of THIS episode, shielding Donald like that just to save his funnel!
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Content creators don't undo major plot twists just because fans demand it Season 5 took nearly 2 years to make Victor isn't going to bring Thomas back to life unless he planned it from the start
Victor executed this brilliantly, what I mean is the fact he gave us a false sense of hope when Thomas opened his eye and then hit us with a harder sting than we would of gotten if Thomas didn’t show he was alive whatsoever. It is cruel and hits hard permanently but that’s the way a story is done. Edit: I do feel that Thomas’ “body” leaving for Barry Island should of been the last part of the episode then we get to after 1965 and the credits. Edit 2: 9:32 The Last Close Shot of our No. 1… He’s a Really Useful Engine we adore!
Wow, just wow, this is probably the best season finale you've ever done! The way everything comes full circle in this is amazing, and God that flashback when donald realised was just, I can't really describe it. Also a moment of silence for those we lost this season: R.I.P Geoffery and his crew R.I.P Peter R.I.P Nigel Zorro R.I.Pieces Benson R.I.P Mickey And finally, rest in peace Thomas the tank engine. To quote Derek, he was a good man. He will be missed... And very finally, rest in s**t Shawn creedy. Damn him to hell! Good season victor, you've outdone yourself yet again!
I could not disagree with you more. I'm sorry.but this the worst season finale of the stories of sodor. Killing of Thomas is a very stupid, horrible idea. This was not good at all.
Gonna Say it, this might just be objectively the best episode of Stories of Sodor Ever. Absolute Master Piece, top tier storytelling. Fantastic job Victor
Given how short all of the episodes were in this series, I expected this episode to be the longest and I guess I was right in a way. I was actually expecting this one to be the solid and traditional Twenty Minutes and I think this could have been achieved by actually having a confrontation between the two Hall-Creedy brothers. We saw Shawn (or Shaun/Sean?) go into Robert's new house and if Midsomer Murders has taught me anything, that is build up part for the final murder attempt/confrontation where the murderer is arrested. Onslow had some potential involvement here as he could have sent out a warning to Robert that his brother was poking around his house lying in wait to murder him. Initially wanting to spare him but seeing how Robert helped save those he (Shawn/Shaun/Sean however you spell his name) tried to murder in revenge, he decided to seek revenge on Robert too. For the longest time, I always thought the reason why you never did a Munitions adaption until now was because of how difficult it would have been but seeing how much you pulled off until now, I think you could have done a confrontation scene. With no justice being done here, it is still a 50/50 chance on whether it will redeem the flaws of this Season or only add to them. I will have to sit on it but right now, I am probably going to have lean more toward the latter. Many things about this season have felt rushed and half-baked, the only thing really keeping everything together was the whodunit arc with the Hall-Creedy brothers and with all that build up, everyone was expecting a big finale. I do like somethings here, like the panning moving shots during the reconstruction montage which look very good and I hope you do more of those in the future because it helps give the setting a bigger feel to it, almost like a 4-D experience. The Fat Controller having his voice crack when relaying the news of Thomas' passing to the engines was also very well done.
What a season! Just when we thought that we couldn't lose anyone else... Rest in Piece, Mickey. (And as for Benson, nothing of value was lost.) But oh god, losing Thomas? That's going to leave a hole in everyone's heart that I'm not sure can ever be filled. Maybe the TV show can be created (assuming it did like in the books) to honor his memory. Goodbye and good riddance to Sean Hall, the murderous bastard. Guess they found out what he did, but did so too late to stop him from essentially getting off scot-free. A part of me does suspect that Robert might have done some unintentional coverups, but his actions throughout the season have more than vindicated him in my eyes. And with that, it seems like 1965, the worst year in Sodor since WW2 (and their equivalent of 2020), is finally over, just in time for the Arlesdale Minis to debut! Overall, a much tighter season that had a gripping mystery and plot, payoffs to a few long-running plot points, and shocking and heartbreaking deaths. One criticism I have, though is that it's clear that the cast has gotten way too big for its own good - the Skarloey Engines had practically no focus here, as did a few other engines like Eric, Rosie, Salty, Bill and Ben. Another is that for how good the story was (though YMMV on others), the episodes themselves were too short and few - they could have been a bit longer or perhaps a couple more could have been added to help flesh out the supporting cast more. And a third is that the ending music of the episode doesn't really fit. It could have been more morose and slow, maybe a piano version of the Thomas and Friends theme song to close out a bittersweet year. Geoffrey... Peter... Mr. Zorro... Mickey... Thomas... We will never forget you.
Ya got to agree with thos criticisms, cast is way too big but he did have Skarloeys railway practically go a few episodes straight with just them last season or two.
My god this episode was heartbreaking. Truly one of your best, and it was pretty clear that the brother was the complicit behind the recent crimes. Rest in peace Thomas, our #1 Blue Engine! You'll be greatly missed
This is the most heartbreaking season. Im surprised to hear that Thomas wasn't coming back. I was expecting something to bring him back. This is certainly a turn of events.
I have a lot of strong words for you good sir. Most of it is incoherent screaming. But you have me glued to the screen and wondering where else this adventure is going to take us. I have a hunch the Foundation might get involved and maybe the Number One gets caught in the crosshairs. I have no idea, you truly have me guessing and it is extremely refreshing. Keep up the good work and see you in the next season.
One thing I can think of is how ironic it would be if it was Douglas that Mickey saved like that. Because of how Lily saved Henry the same way. Also, I’m thinking Thomas will have a situation like Barry.
If this was a Thomily ship thing, Emily would've been much worse then Percy, Annie and Clarabel, of seeing her boyfriend's dead body being taken away while saying goodbye.
On one hand, no...Thomas...On the other hand, mad respect to Victor. Though without him...wonder how this might impact the railway... And Mickey...a brave engine to the end. A good finale to a good season! It feels a bit anticlimactic, but nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to the future!
yes but I'm still angry at him for killing him off, they need to bring him back, get rid of the jinity or having him on the harwick branch or build a replica of him now.
Good to know that the villain of Season 5 is finally revealed. I like how Francis, although an arrogant brat, goes through a small journey of guilt and sympathy. He feels guilty because of what happened to Peter, and sympathetic towards the NWR crew over Thomas' passing. Thomas and Mickey, you will both be missed.
I hope he can bring thomas back from the dead or bring in one of his e2 brothers or build a replica to replace him along with the jinity and see the arlesdale engines or more rws and tvs characters debuting.
this is possible one of the most cinematic pieces of ttte media i have ever indulged myself in. The quality of content has vastly improved since the simple and quaint season 1.
I think it would be pretty cool next season to see a few episodes focus on how Thomas death affected other engines and people that we didn’t get to see much in this episodes. For example a sir topham episode
This was a great episode I'm going to miss Thomas he was a really useful engine. This was a very bitter sweet season but it was a amazing at the same time.
Interesting fact: Mickey saved Donald the same way Lily saved Henry back during "Stories of War". Had it been Douglas instead, it would've been a full circle moment
I didn't even realised that. What a hero
Yup
Wow
Somebody is going to need therapy in either season 6 or as I suspect season 5 part 2
Yeah your right
I can imagine if Edward narrated the part where the engines saw Thomas off, it's likely it would of been quite much like this: "The following morning, we gathered to say goodbye to our #1.
The Fat Controller thanked Robert for all he could do to try and save his life.
Many tears were shed by all of us, including Annie, Clarabel, Kate, Percy and even Francis, who said he was sorry for being stubborn towards our fallen friend. Sir Topham gave Francis the all clear to depart, and he somberly pulled away.
As he did so, Percy, Kate, Annie and Clarabel cried the loudested out of all of us, because they knew he was a hero through and through for removing the petrol tanker away and preventing the death toll from being much worse!
When Donald returned to service, Derek told our #9 the whole aftermath."
And I can tell that Kate now regrets breaking up with him all those years ago.
I read that in his voice, too
@@user-qz5dv1bw8i At least they made amends before he died.
Hopefully there's some hope of him returning. And if so do you think Thomas and Kate can restart their relationship?
@@user-qz5dv1bw8i Thomas won't be in the right place mentally
You can really tell how much victor’s voice acting has improved over the years. The pain in tophams delivery of the news added so much to an already shocking scene
I do like how Francis got a redemption
Indeed
Yes, I was actually impressed by how he voiced Topham when he told the engines about Thomas. Wasn't expecting it
I can’t lie the death of Thomas as well as Mickey saving Donald’s life made me tear up. This was an amazing episode, Victor.
Amazing? I don't think so.
@@thomaspresson9070 agree to disagree
@@bigdawggkevI do love how they killed benson. That blasted b12 was annoying af
@@thomaspresson9070 thats your opinion. I like the episode, it aint the best but it is far far from bad
Mickeys death was so fucking funny
With Mickey out of the picture, I feel that Derek will become the new Fire & Rescue chief. He deserves it.
Yes. Those improvements from the previous season were the ticket.
Maybe Harvey gets introduced
Tbh I was partially expecting Donald to take his place as appreciation to his sacrific
Or joey
@@Killmeplease43No Crooks
Here before CZcams takes this as a kids video
How did this blow up
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Why does youtube even makes this a kids video when it festures, war, violence and crime?
Is a bot doing all of this?
Same lmfao
Same bro
It is unreal how Victor is a good animator, voice actor, and writer all at the same time.
Phenomenal episode
Hey just wrote the script for the 6ty season a couple of weeks ago
I believe this is a game
It is a game called Trainz @@tengen1763
It's all made in Trainz 2019
You are equally as a dreadful awful person, sir.
I feel slightly robbed of a moment when Percy didn't whistle while watching Thomas go.
"Mickey, what are you doing?! Move!"
"No."
*Refuses to elaborate further*
*Dies*
The single best line of dialogue in the entire series.
Mickey died in the same way Lily died, 22 years later.
7:20
Pretty much sums up every other death this season tbh. Some just showed up to be killed off.
Oh definitely agree it was a simple yet profound statement. He knew what he was doing and was fine with that this is how he wanted to go out.
Douglas’ girlfriend died from that, and Micky from saving his brother
@@bobbypoductions26good point
i hope someone like Thomas ends up going into the path to the dead and revives him and we get our number one back. the cover story could be that someone was experimenting with a new water mixer to revive an engine who died unwillingly and Thomas was the first pick or he was only in a coma with a very faint pulse.
I do hope that happens considering Dominic the Breakvan did get revived even after his remains were scrapped years ago.
@@dlp2372he was a ghost tho.
Or Thomas might be brought back similar to how Arthur was bought in to sodor.
Didn't Arthur came back but isn't as the same engine
@@user-xp9bi7qe2uthat's true. The name of Arthur must've been a coincidence as his class prototype was an exact replica to him. Thomas however was an E2, which were probably withdrawn from service around this time so it's either a possibility he was rebuilt using a faceless intact version of his class with a procedure similar to a brain transplant.
This was one hell pf an episode. Great episode. Poor Annie and Clarabel as well as Kate and Percy.
There could be another Thomas like another E2 with the same name.
And poor Toby, considering that he’s known Thomas the longest
This was quite a rollercoaster of a season, all I can say is worth watching, Hope you have a well earned break Victor.
This has been a truly heartbreaking season.
Weve lost Geoffrey, Peter, Mr. Zorro, Mickey... and our number one, Thomas the Tank Engine.
Farewell, Thomas; Hero of the Elsbridge and Knapford Railway, the London and Northeastern Railway, The Wild Norwesters, and the Northwestern Railway.
but just like the Terminator, he'll be back
And all of the island of sodor
@@miscellaneoussarnian5282with a magical asspull of the hat, than yeah, he will be
And Benson
@@miscellaneoussarnian5282 How?
This was depressing. Thomas succumbing to his injuries had me shedding a tear. Seeing Francis haul his body away was heartbreaking.
I imaging a funeral song playing "He's a Really Useful Engine" in his honor.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@@alkimjohn6853That should be what be what plays at his funeral
You military maniac, you killed our number one darn. You darn you all to heck
Damn it I’m tearing just by reading this 😢
Tanzig... I'm struggling right now. You've killed the literal #1. With all the supernatural phenomenon of sodor I was almost expecting a miracle rebirth
😭😭😖😖😖🤯😱🫠👿👿
Make a new episode with Thomas comes back to life or else😢😮
Given how Barry Scrapyard operated, and all the other supernatural shit that happens in this series, I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas does make some kind of revival
What if he came back as a cross between an E2 and a J50?
@@dogyslime9954 given the fact that Thomas is seemingly the only E2 that worked without fail, why turn him into a hybrid? Why try and fix what isn’t broken?
The part where Thomas was being given a hero's farewell was very moving to say the least. Having said that, Mickey's death was also very sad too. Sodor and it's engines have so much to thank him for. Percy will honour Thomas by looking after Annie and Clarabel becoming his coaches and Derek will likely be the watchful fire and rescue guardian of Sodor but perhaps finding another engine to become his sidekick. I'm glad Donald survived as losing him would've left Douglas heartbroken. As for Francis I know he was at odds with the other engines in the beginning but I feel that he will now be the engine to replace Peter who also sadly was taken.
No, someone else, but Francis, would have to replace him
Yeah victor could at least made Peter last until season 6 and then kill him because we didn't see him until the very last episode of season 4 and didn't last for 10 episodes before getting killed by that German bastard
@@lulutaylor8910 Well, he did kill Peter for revenge for taking his entire family away from him.
Damn. Mickey's death was unexpected, but it really shows who he was. Every firefighter, and even every cop, knows that they need be to willing to risk their lives to protect others. He did just that, saving Donald and keeping Douglas from enduring more trauma. Here's to hoping some of the theories I've seen in this comment section pan out and Thomas comes back in a later season. Could make for an interesting surprise for a season finale
Don't worry even if Victor doesn't plan to bring Thomas back now he'll probably realise he has to if he wants to keep his fanbase
@@fanofeverything30465 the way he was transported away from Sodor, along with how much green water was apparently put in him, I think Victor left the door open to bring him back in future if he wants to. And I just had a neat idea on how he could come back, but it's a bit of a longshot, and something that would definitely draw some mixed opinions
@@dragonblaster-vu8wz I think it could be a nod to the fact there are no E2s left and none were preseved
can we just take a moment for douglas? the guy was in the war, lost his girlfriend, accidentally killed dominic, deals with the guilt from that, then had to deal with dominics ghost, and has conflicts with both henry and gordon concerning lily. and then his twin almost gets blown up in a blast.
i am so thankful for mickey, douglas needed to catch a break.
@@dragonblaster-vu8wz Sending him to Barry Island definitely wasn’t for no reason, not to mention Wilbert doesn’t write about the dead, but Tramway Engines was published in 1972.
Wow! I was not expecting an ending like this, what a plot change. Everyone was theorizing that Mr. Hall was responsible for Mr. Zorro, Geoffrey, and Thomas deaths, but it was his brother all along, what a shocking ending. Also, the fact that Mickey’s death is eerily reminiscent of Lilly’s death.
Woah
Just so you guys know that if you cried (like me) that Thomas died you know that Victor really did a great job (storytelling wise)
Thank you Victor! Have a wonderful Christmas/New year!
I can't believe Thomas is gone, just like that. He didn't deserve his death, he was a great engine and a great friend to everyone on Sodor.
Exactly I feel Victor only did this to ensure his channel is gonna be losing viewers Trust I'm Officially Rioting against this channel for the Unfair death of Thomas it should had been either duck or someone else Never Thomas
@@dylansmith5379 Aren't you overreacting a bit
Honestly Dylan is overreacting like I get he's your favorite but bro ITS A LITERAL VIDEO
ITS JUST A VIDEO BRO LIKE CALM DOWN
@@lens_theconducter THANK YOU 😊
You actually did it, never expected one of the main engines to be killed off, and didn't expect mickey to die as well quite a finale to this season
@@Guesty32 yes tried not put names just in case someone reads comments and not watched for spoilers
Fucking bad arse words to say when confronted with the chance to run to safety “no”
What a way to end the season. Losing Thomas and Mickey really breaks my heart. We finally found out who was responsible for all the destruction.
Excellent episode Victor. Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year.
don’t worry i think thomas will come back in later season mainly because he is shipped to barry island and he will probably be picked up by heritage groups
@@ngcarson6607but they said they couldnt fix him
@@tillieproductions most of the time Thomas was unconscious . Derreck did say that Thomas also had green water in him. So maybe Thomas is in coma like state
@@e.k2261 That or a person named Thomas explores that cave making him loose that soul and become a new vessel for the tank engine.
@@Edward2Fan47 Or Thomas comes back with the soul of the human who shares his name
What a whirlwind of a season that was, so many lives lost on this journey. Rest in peace Geoffrey, Peter, Mr. Zorro, Mickey, Thomas, and even you Benson...
I really do hope Thomas makes a comeback in the future. I can see in a video that just when Francis is getting ready to leave and he hears Thomas coughing quietly and he realizes that Thomas is still alive but in very very critical condition and he would have to be fixed right there on spot since moving him would be too risky but at the end of the day it’s Victors call on if that happens or not What do you think Victor ?
Or maybe Barry Scrapyard's engine buffers up to Thomas preparing to take him to be scrapped and Thomas, like Barry, wakes up because of the bump
I ain’t tryna be rude, but I just accepted Thomas is gone. But if he does comeback, MAJOR W
@@fanofeverything30465 oh you mean Barry island scrap yard the same one that saved 213 steam locomotives from scrap
As much as I want him to be alive, the likelihood of that happening is as likely for all the stars aligning. To quote Edward, "Miracles Seldom Happen." If he is alive, I will buy a Thomas figure.
Or maybe victor can do the same thing he did with arthur but i think it would make more sence if he was in a coma from 1965 to maybe 1970 and when topham hears about it he's brought home and is fixed up
My god. Victor actually followed through with killing off Thomas. I’m sure I wasn’t the only one who was prepared for this, but that doesn’t make it any less painful. And the plot twist with Mr. Hall’s brother was something I’m sure no one saw coming. Great job and Merry Christmas, Victor.
RIP Geoffrey, Peter Mr. Zorro, and Thomas the Tank Engine.
I'm still pretty salty (no pun intended, given the diesel's debut last season) about Thomas being killed... but this does beg the question. How many times has Thomas died in a fan project now?
I'm really upset and mad at the killing off thomas idea, he needs to rewrite this episode and have thomas turn out be alive like Ten cents in the tugs inspiration or have one of his surviving e2 brothers or a replica built to replace the thomas we lost with the memories of the original intact. Victor Tanzig, I hope you'll listen to us who love thomas.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 well don't lose too much faith.
Notice how Thomas went to Barry Island. When others went, their remains were just "taken to a scrapyard and melted down." But Victor specifically mentioned Barry Island, where a very significant scrapyard existed. Most folks know that the majority of engines that went into Barry are actually preserved to this day.
Perhaps Thomas isn't "dead" just a deep coma or something? Would be curious to know if I am right, and if so, how he survived.
I'll be real, I absolutely saw that coming from a mile away, I predicted that it was Mr. Hall's brother as soon as I found out he had one XD
@@eddierools What the?! Where did you come from?! I haven't heard from or seen you in ages!
Seeing a behind the scenes of this season would be hilarious. To see the engine's reactions to how they would be killed off.
I wanna see Thomas’ reaction to him not surviving Munitions is his series, while Ten Cents got to escape unscathed in his.
@@christophergarland7936 He'd probably be very jealous
I wouldn't be surprised if the next Sodor Short was exactly that Bonus points if an angry mob demands Thomas be brought back
@@fanofeverything30465 I completely think that we SHOULD have that Short on here! Thomas does NOT deserve to remain dead here, and we need him back!
@@arenjtumastens I had another idea in mind:
Sean Creedy goes to the afterlife after killing himself to cover his tracks. He’s about to reunite with his mother when the spirits of Thomas, Benson, Mickey, and Geoffrey come out of nowhere and beat him up like a piñata!
I never liked thomas in the show but I almost cried when they reveald that he died. I started to love him because of these stories. Rest in peace Thomas ,our favorite number one engine.
Thomas dies
Victor: That’s a story for another day
So... yeah. This was an episode. I don't usually comment on episodes left on here, but I feel I had to this time (and the reason it's this long is because I watched the leak and made up my thoughts yesterday; I did hold on until watching this episode to post it all in case Victor pulled a fast one over the leakers and gave us a different episode to what was intended). Spoilers follow so be warned.
Season 5 as a whole; I've seen a fair amount of people complain about the short runtimes and how a lot of the events feel badly executed - which I get. I admit that whilst the shorter episodes have felt cohesive on the whole, I've always enjoyed the longer episodes over 20 mins or more. The running season theme of attacks on the railway is a very strong one with plenty of gripping moments and some genuinely shocking ones, but I do feel that with longer episodes, the impact could have been much better. Revenge was perhaps the best edited story of the season with a truly chilling final minute. Munitions, however? A bit of a letdown. I know in the past that having TUGS episodes as SoS episode narratives has worked - but not here; the short run-time doesn't help and hardly much of the actual fire and explosions was seen. Things do get better with this episode, but I also feel like as though Mickey's death was barely given much attention considering how major he has been from the start. S5 had strong ideas, but lacking in the execution overall. Longer episodes for future!
Now we move onto Thomas... I'm just gonna straight up say it, I don't think he's dead. Think about Barry in Rescued - he was given green water in 1958 and didn't wake up until being given big enough of a bump; people assumed he was faceless and dead. Derek said they filled Thomas to the brim with green water so he wasn't in pain, but what if the amount they gave him was enough to knock him out to the point where he looked, sounded and was considered dead? Then consider what Sir Topham Hatt said; Francis was to take him to Barry in South Wales. I had to do my research... but considering the implications of Barry scrapyard, we have not seen the last of Thomas by any stretch and I foresee a big return for the tank engine in Season 6. The idea of him being away from Sodor for decades just... doesn't sit well with me.
But here's what I've really been thinking about the last few days; Francis. Slowly but surely, we have seen a big change in his character, not too far off possibly from Thomas1Edward2Henry's portrayal of 199 (or Ted, sorry)- from his delight at seeing Rob Hall and his genuine support of Barry back in Experiment, to his sharing the steamies' dislike of Benson, to the sequence we see between the 9th and 10 minutes. I first thought maybe Francis's sadness was just an act of solidarity with the engines considering how much Thomas meant to Sodor. But what if it's something more? Either Francis feels guilt for a potential role he thinks he played in the disaster (the truth didn't come out until after he'd left so it's possible), or he's genuinely devastated at Thomas's death and is starting to realise the steamies aren't as bad as he thought they were - what if this inspires a complete turn in his character and he becomes a mainstay on Sodor? Maybe an episode in S6 could see him request a transfer to Sodor and then act nothing like he usually is, leading to him admitting he blames himself for Thomas's death and wants to atone?
But in all, this has been another great ride, Victor. Thank you for everything and here's to a great 2024 for you; have a good one!
I hope to God that you're right about Thomas.
Huh, your theory about thomas makes a good point. Hadn't even thought of that.
I appreciate the more positive lights of this review. And your take on this season is similar to mine. The voiceless montages really don’t justify how long it took production of this season and the 4th. And since voicing them was crucial, albeit the montage of everyone cleaning up the docks and desperately repairing Thomas was the only time (in my opinion) a voiceless montage done righ
I think you may be right on the money here. It’s too easy to agree with all your points, especially advocating for longer episodes. They are more substantial anyway. I think an episode for all the deceased characters is very much needed, especially Mickey. I don’t think we can understate the significance of what SCPs of so did set up. There probably is a lot of defective green water and it is plausible that Thomas makes it back. Either way, having him presumed dead is a good story mechanic here.
Let's only hope that Thomas is in a deep sleep and he finds himself back in sodor at some point and maybe have him with the memory of being in Barry scrapyard? But not the other engines
I’m happy the terrible events are over but I’m still sad about Thomas. And what a twist, the brother theory was up there but it almost seemed to good to be true. Nice going Victor, you rock as a story author
Don't jinx it next season might be something else
What about the brake van from the final episode of season 4 (I can't remember his name) how he had a mental breakdown saying he died cause of a German bomber plane and how "he saw Adam lily and Colin and what about that cave from scps of sodor that brought dead people back to life I have a feeling this won't be the last time we see Thomas and even if we don't correct me if I'm wrong but the e2s weren't removed from service until the 1970s so we could have a separate e2 come in to replace thomas or a replica engine could be built in his honor but hey that's just a theory a sodor theory
You mean Brian? @@imackiemsamich
I don't think I can watch this series the same way again after this season
@@i5Ma ye
This season finale was every bit as intense as I expected it would be, although I certainly wasn't expecting Victor to go through with killing off Thomas of all characters. Looking back on Season 5 as a whole, though, it really could have used longer episode runtimes and less instrumental montages, in order to allow the important events (mainly the character deaths) to properly sink in for the audience. Victor, if you're reading this, my hope is that you take all the time that you need in creating Season 6, so that it doesn't suffer from the same pacing issues that Season 5 suffered from.
I don’t even know what to say. I’ve watched this for years and to have the willingness to kill of the namesake of this whole franchise is crazy to me and you took that chance. Excited to see what else is in store
Mickey's last words to Donald before he saved his life: "No"
This season was a very good season but also a bit rushed at the same time. And wonder 1965 was a grim year for Sodor because hell broke loose when Geoffrey had his accident on episode 1 which killed him insteantly and that Peter was shot dead in episode 8 by one his victims who wanted revenge on him for many years. Then Shawn Creedy took his revenge on Mr. Zorro and shot him and Mr. Zorro died as a result... Toby was right about the whole munitions disaster in episode 9 because Benson bumped a train on track one but the train on track two had lit up because Shawn had probably put a timer on it which led to what happened and then there was the Killdane Scrapyards incident where some sort of bomb shell was still in the scrap rubble and thankfully Toby and Derek made it out and Donald unfortunately got his breaks loose and brave Mickey saved his life as a result... Now I will talk about Thomas... I wasn't expecting the number 1 to die but Derek said that he was filled with green water and not black and from other information I learned from other viewers is that Barry Island Scrapyards is a scrapyard only for scrapping rolling stock but there were engines who were scrapped but I think there is more to it? Maybe Thomas would wake up and have amnesia like Brian had? I still think that Robert Hall is innocent and is nothing like his twin brother but the problem is that Shawn never left a clue... No sign of him being the saboteur or anything like that? And that fact that Shawn was the first person who saw his mother dead and he probably wanted revenge on Henry, Donald and Mr. Zorro... Do you think Shawn was the culprit who killed those innocent people and engines? Who knows but let's give our condolences to the people and engines who lost their lives in 1965...
Rest in Peace...
Geoffrey
Peter
Mr. Zorro
Thomas
The 56 people during the munitions disaster...
(Benson would rot in hell who cares about him)
Thank you so much Victor Tanzig for this amazing season and can't wait for what's coming next!
Edit: I forgot to mention that the season focused on Donald a lot like he is the main protagonist of the season!
Yeah, screw the bastard. Even his counterpart would call him out for his stupidity.
Benson didn't do it, he was on track 1, the explosion was from track 2
So the significance of the Barry Scrapyard is that of the 300 or so steam locomotives they took in, 200+ made it into preservation (the exact numbers are slipping my mind currently, so don't 100% hold me to that number). Most of the UK's preserved locomotives come from Barry. So Thomas going specifically to Woodham Brothers Scrapyard in Barry would make for a keen story about how he somehow lived and was preserved.
@@GrenedearProductions I know that Benson didn't do it I might have accidentally mispelled
@@coalcountry6795 I hope that will happen but we just don't know what Victor has in store for us
I'll be honest, I didn't expect Thomas to survive last episode, but that first half of this one gave me hope, only for it to be yanked away again. Feels odd not to have the NWR's #1 in a series... but all the same, I can't understate how brilliantly written this season was. Amazing work Victor!
SoS is mean’t to focus on all TTTE Characters and Thomas didn’t get much spotlight so this death does three things to me: Angers me, Saddens me and Shocks me.
Maybe there will be a new e2 brother or replica thomas to be the new 1 and the jinity in the intro is a temporary replacement like vinnie in family guy and they bring him back in the next season.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Well that could actually work and there could be a plot where Percy has to get over the fact Thomas is gone forever and there needs to be a new No. 1 to take Thomas’ place and him finding out it’s Thomas’ brother makes him okay with it.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Would not be surprised Especially because Thomas has some similarities to Brain in this series
@@fanofeverything30465 Yes he does.
I have a theory that Thomas might be brought back because he was sent to the Barry Island scrapyard. That was a place where lots of steam locomotives were saved from scrap and preserved.
Good theory! But as the old saying goes, "Hope for the best, but expect the worst"
This was more wild of an ending compared to the stories of war or the last season. My god it was well worth the wait.
Oh f*ck...this is a rather "unique" ending. We FINALLY reached the conclusion of the grimest season of SoS, and I must say in all this was a rollercoaster.
Let's start with the positives:
- The mystery of the murderer was FINALLY revealed to us: Shawn Creedy, the brother of Robert Hall. It was satisfactory to watch how Donald pulled all the strings together to find out who was the culprit.
- Also, Shawn killing himself in the end was a great ending, because with this we see how a tragic event can destroy someone's life, and going only for revenge. His destructive goal and suicide just makes it an even sadder ending.
- We lost many engines (+ Mr. Zorro - RIP to all of them), but for me, seeing Thomas dead is just mindblowing. This decision is one of the bravest that I have ever seen in the fandom, great job Victor! I read a theory down in the comments that he is not death, but in a similar green-water caused coma, just like what Barry had, but I don't want it to be true. I know that Thomas's character still has potencial, but I'm positive that this loss to the engines will certainly cause stories which we have never seen before and I'm pretty excited to see them in the future.
- The ending showed that the Arlesdale engines will come to the island, i hope that Duke will return to that railway to show them the ropes, while remembering the past in those days.
And now, here are my list of negatives:
- I think I speak for all of us that fallout should have been longer than nearly 17 minutes (25 minutes would have been the minimum imo), because it had climaxes that didn't reach the high points (Thomas's death, the reveal of the murderer)
- Micky's death was sad and surprising, but rushed, more time was needed to accept and grief on him
- Shawn Creedy was only seen in the end, some scenes of his motivation and action would have made his character and the episode as a whole better
Ui.: I just realized that in the beginning (1:39) you can see the munitions train, while simultainiously he gets his house back.
All in all, this season was really good, with some unlikable and questionable moments/decisions, but definitely a good one. Happy new year to you Victor and to the others as well. Happy new year!
Could've been solved much sooner had he known his dad's name earlier on
R.I.P Mickey. Hail to the chief. I noticed that some of the characters killed in this season "mirror" characters killed in stories of war. Thomas and Collin were killed similarly, both sets of crews died, and were both numbered 1. Zoro for Star, Geoffrey for Alfred, heck even the mongrels Benson for Jeffries.
May he and Thomas rest in peace😢
Also I guess this means no one is definitely safe but Edward being the storyteller
You should watch the SPC season. I get the sense from a lot of these comments people haven't watched it.
Mickey died in a similar way to Lily, too. He sacrificed himself to save Donald, and Lily sacrificed herself to save Henry.
@@commodorezero What do you mean? I've seen them. Not recently though.
Calling Mickey a gigachad is an understatement may he rest in peace
Honestly Thomas dying was the saddest moment in any fan made production. Fly high Thomas you sure were iconic 🕊️
Rest in peace Thomas, you'll always be Number 1 in our hearts. And rest in peace Mickey, you were a true hero.
Or maybe not like frankenweenie, they will bring him back from the dead as a replica or one of the e2 brothers replacing him or him waking up and having amnesia like Brain and show the nwr 1 is still there in some form like with other fan projects.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 unlikely
@@Ms-Vlogs. Wait and see.
@@Ms-Vlogs. Why
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Well, if you think about it, Thomas was the only one of his class ever built. Like Bruce and Gordon, he was most likely a prototype tank engine.
Bravo Victor. Bravo.
I stand by that you are one of the best writers in the community and really on youtube.
The reveal of Hall and his brother with the flashbacks was already griping me to the edge of my seat, and then seeing that scene from what, Season 1 or 2? My gosh man, glorious. Thomas’ death too, that was a perfect curveball considering no original series character had ever died yet, gut wrenching.
Again, bravo.
no
It was Season 2
@@fanofeverything30465thanks chief
@@miffin_man No problem friend
@@TheOldGuardsVan Like ur any good
Dose this mean Thomas gets a redesign
Good question.
Bertie: You know, I remember when I first met Thomas.
Edward: Didn't you and him have a race and didn't know it was illegal?
Bertie: Yeah. He won, and I told him I'd have to grow wings in order to beat him on the top of the hill.
Edward: Wow......! Maybe I was a bit too hard on Thomas that time.
Thomas isn't dead, I believe. I've noticed, that characters who die in the series, are not shown in the intro - but Thomas is still there. Another thing - I believe his story will be similair to that of Barry - the green water knocked him out, but after a while ( and a bump ) Barry woke up. And seeing, as Thomas was taken to Barry scrapyard - a place where engines stood for decades - i believe the last left in 2013. I have seen many people also say, that Thomas will return, and I think so too.
Me too.
He couldn't remove him from the episode intro as it would of been to obvious though.
And we didn’t know he was dead yet
I think thomas is still alive
I pray to God that you're right. We can't lose him.
I am shocked he killed off a main character and Thomas no less. I really thought only non canon characters would bite the dust but im sad to say that isnt the case here. I truly hope we dont have any more desths on sodor in the coming stories.
Maybe he could come back turning out to be unconscious and just full of green water, his ghost possessing one of his brothers or he losing his memories and becoming child like or as a replica (the rws thomas is gone and the tv series thomas is born).
I can see it as a nod to the fact that the reverend and Christopher didn't enjoy writing the thomas based stories all the time
@@danialhamilton7666 Yes and building a replica thomas is a way to show how popular he is in the tv series.
Brilliant season! I can’t say anything better than that! Well done…despite losing so many characters in a short amount of time! This was an amazing season!
I'm sorry, but you're crazy.
RIP Thomas Mickey, Mr Zorro, Peter this was one of the hardest video I’ve ever watched but can’t wait for the next chapter
Holy hell that was intense! Mickey is a true hero! As for the others, this was a rollercoaster of an episode. Hopefully we get an episode for all those who have fallen. Fabulous episode and season Victor!
Rest in Peace Thomas. You were a good one. :-(
Thomas CAN’T be dead…there’s NO way they’re permanently killing him off…
@@haydennorris8062 Colin the other #1 died a lot earlier. A name does not make you immortal...
@@haydennorris8062 he is sadly even mr hall said it and now that he is at barry island there is no chance and i think he will be replaced by jinty
@@LigmaBalls58475Barry is ironic don't you think I mean how many engines were saved from the dead there
@@haydennorris8062 The only way is if the portal of the dead is given another mortal and Thomas might return from there.
I've heard that Barry Scrapyard only deals with rolling stock, so supposedly something happens to Thomas there that causes him to return to live and be brought back to Sodor. He WAS filled with green water anyway, and maybe he'd go through just about the same situation that Barry went through. Only, he wouldn't be stuck there for seven years, and it would all happen within the same year. This should happen, as we must have him back, or the franchise and this series won't ever be the same without him!
It will happen the following year
@@fanofeverything30465 hopefully it does.
That was a Great, yet emotional episode. It was so sad to see Thomas and Mickey' demises in that one. We will miss Thomas and Mickey very much…
I could not disagree with you more. Emotional yes, butbgreat...No. No, This was not a good episode, let alone season finale. Killing Thomas was a very stupid, horrible choice. This whole episode was a huge dramatic mess. Not good at all. Dare I say, this was a terrible season finale.
@@thomaspresson9070 It was a bad series finale…
@@sudrianrailwaystudios676I agree. How can you have a Thomas fan-series without Thomas? That’s like having Bob the Builder without Bob.
Yep. It was.
Exactly.
RIP Thomas.😢 You will be missed. You really, were and always be a really useful Engine.
Just wait for Season 6 I'm pretty sure Thomas' Gonna come back AND maybe be The same Or a diferent engine Or something?
@@FRIEND38 i saw a comment that said "maybe Thomas got green water coma and he didn't die" that guy can be right bc the same happend to Barry too. I think he will reappear maybe not
Or maybe a spirit.
My God...
You brilliant madlad, you actually committed to taking the series #1 from the story...
*Sigh* It's a genuine heartbreak to know Thomas the Tank Engine is well and truly gone from Sodor. Not even Mr. Hall could save him...
God rest your soul, Thomas. You'll be well and truly missed by all.
A great season overall victor. Granted, there were undeniable hiccups with pacing, but I imagine it was likely unavoidable for reasons you alone know.
Solid 8/10. A big swath of lost characters and a main lead...
Actually theirs whispers amongst the comment sections, Barry scrap yard in real life had steam engines sit their for decades the last on left in like 2013, given how much green water their was in his tank… he may be back
No, No No No No No!
Thomas? Our number one, Tank Engine... Died? The Main Character of the original show?
I don't believe that! There is no way! And Mickey Too? This is just sad! 😞😢😭💔
This is very terrible too
😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭
4 months late, but here's something interesting about non-faceless vehicles; their faces disappear when they die.
so if Thomas is dead, why does he still have his face, hm?
Wait, what?!
We finally get to see the Small Railway Engines next season! I've wondered when they would show up since we always saw them in the theme.
This has to be the most emotional season so far I hope there’s another season
I completely forgot about his brother. Now I’m confused on which twin was who during flashbacks but it gave the story a whole twist, very good job
I'm sorry Victor, I can't watch you anymore, it's not right without our beloved engine Thomas, it just isn't right. Also 9:11 is the saddest part.
I like how he takes a kids franchise that mattel ruined and he made it something enjoyable like tugs
I wish we got more of an reaction from kate, annie, and Clarabelle. And the fact D199 was sad really drove the point home that this was a tragedy also to set the record straight. Both benson and mickey were completely wiped out. ((Probably because they don't have scrap lookalikes like thomse does)) this is why they didnt get a service. And were probably added to thomas's memorial as a way to remember.
Anyone else get the feeling we're watching a most deaths possible speedrun?
Jokes aside, I guess you have to give credit for being daring enough to write such a plot point. However, I can't help but feel the rushed pace of this season and shorter episode lengths hurts it. It means less time on character development, and the higher frequency of these things happening in this season makes them feel less impacting per occurrence.
Now, Victor can write good stories. We know he can, and I know he's responded to these criticisms with a lot of grace and humility considering how rabid some people get. I just hope Victor puts his health first rather than forcing himself to produce stuff he's not enjoying. So if you are going to criticise, don't be a massive peach about it. Criticism should provide feedback, not useless insults.
This comment is perfect.
Not a fan as well with the pacing, as well as the shorter run time. Part of it is a bit selfish, as obviously we all want more more more. But, certain scenes and events, IMHO, are not played out as long as they should, and they come across as more confusing and less impactful. The Geoffrey episode, IMO, is one where this is most prominent. He went from having a fairly bad, but "I've seen worse" accident to "Oh. He's gone." A bit shocking, but not in the good way. I was left more confused about it, with some episodes/scenes I have to go back and rewatch to try and understand.
But with us, and others saying that, we forget how freaggin hard it is to write and make a series like this. And for five seasons, with two mini series to boot? Yeesh, I'm sure it is difficult to keep the creative juices flowing! And I know Victor has discussed his feelings of burn out at times, so I think your reminder is fantastic, and kudos to you for it.
And Victor, anything said here is not to dog on you mate! You do great work, keep it up! We all love ya.
You are a master when it comes to misteries old chap
You know what Mickey did reminded me of what Lily did to Henry in the Stories of war.
The fact that a non-faceless can go through all that pain without dying yet is hard to believe.
Seeing Edward with Such a cheerful smile, and an almost crying, but happy tone makes me smile.
Rip Thomas
Rip Mickey.
9:51 I can only imagine how Kate must've felt seeing her former boyfriend being hauled away on a flatbed to the scrapyard. And who's going to pull Annie and Clarabel now that Thomas is gone?
Maybe Kate or Percy???
This season was filled with suffering, Geoffrey, Mr zoro, peter, Thomas and mickey, rest in peace
I'm sorry but if there's a season 6, I probably won't be watching it. I haven't been a fan of this season since it started, this episode just made it official for me
I said it once and I'll say it again: Thomas was so THE Optimus Prime of the previous episode! And Mickey was also the Optimus Prime of THIS episode, shielding Donald like that just to save his funnel!
Maybe he will come back like optimus prime did in the episodes after the movie after fan backlash.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 As much as I want Thomas to come back I don't think Victor will change future seasons just because we demand it
@@fanofeverything30465 Of course he will, wait and see.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 Content creators don't undo major plot twists just because fans demand it Season 5 took nearly 2 years to make Victor isn't going to bring Thomas back to life unless he planned it from the start
Victor executed this brilliantly, what I mean is the fact he gave us a false sense of hope when Thomas opened his eye and then hit us with a harder sting than we would of gotten if Thomas didn’t show he was alive whatsoever. It is cruel and hits hard permanently but that’s the way a story is done.
Edit: I do feel that Thomas’ “body” leaving for Barry Island should of been the last part of the episode then we get to after 1965 and the credits.
Edit 2: 9:32 The Last Close Shot of our No. 1…
He’s a Really Useful Engine we adore!
Now I *wish* Dragon Balls existed in this universe. I’m a bit upset that Thomas passed on.
Edit: I’m famous.
Edit #2: Is Thomas *ACTUALLY* dead?
Wow, just wow, this is probably the best season finale you've ever done! The way everything comes full circle in this is amazing, and God that flashback when donald realised was just, I can't really describe it. Also a moment of silence for those we lost this season:
R.I.P Geoffery and his crew
R.I.P Peter
R.I.P Nigel Zorro
R.I.Pieces Benson
R.I.P Mickey
And finally, rest in peace Thomas the tank engine. To quote Derek, he was a good man. He will be missed...
And very finally, rest in s**t Shawn creedy. Damn him to hell!
Good season victor, you've outdone yourself yet again!
Did you forget to say Rest in Sh*tty pieces Benson
Wait oops I didn’t see you said it my bad
I could not disagree with you more. I'm sorry.but this the worst season finale of the stories of sodor. Killing of Thomas is a very stupid, horrible idea. This was not good at all.
@@thomaspresson9070 Good point why would they kill the Number 1 Engine?
I’ve been wondering the same thing
@@oliverhood1732 I feel like we'll see him back before 1984 after all they wouldn't make a TV show about a dead engine.
Gonna Say it, this might just be objectively the best episode of Stories of Sodor Ever. Absolute Master Piece, top tier storytelling. Fantastic job Victor
This episode and the season have left me speechless. Well done Victor, Excellent job.
My word, this season has gotten crazy! Wonderful job Victor!
Given how short all of the episodes were in this series, I expected this episode to be the longest and I guess I was right in a way. I was actually expecting this one to be the solid and traditional Twenty Minutes and I think this could have been achieved by actually having a confrontation between the two Hall-Creedy brothers. We saw Shawn (or Shaun/Sean?) go into Robert's new house and if Midsomer Murders has taught me anything, that is build up part for the final murder attempt/confrontation where the murderer is arrested. Onslow had some potential involvement here as he could have sent out a warning to Robert that his brother was poking around his house lying in wait to murder him. Initially wanting to spare him but seeing how Robert helped save those he (Shawn/Shaun/Sean however you spell his name) tried to murder in revenge, he decided to seek revenge on Robert too. For the longest time, I always thought the reason why you never did a Munitions adaption until now was because of how difficult it would have been but seeing how much you pulled off until now, I think you could have done a confrontation scene.
With no justice being done here, it is still a 50/50 chance on whether it will redeem the flaws of this Season or only add to them. I will have to sit on it but right now, I am probably going to have lean more toward the latter. Many things about this season have felt rushed and half-baked, the only thing really keeping everything together was the whodunit arc with the Hall-Creedy brothers and with all that build up, everyone was expecting a big finale.
I do like somethings here, like the panning moving shots during the reconstruction montage which look very good and I hope you do more of those in the future because it helps give the setting a bigger feel to it, almost like a 4-D experience. The Fat Controller having his voice crack when relaying the news of Thomas' passing to the engines was also very well done.
It Isn't The Same Without Thomas 💔
What a season!
Just when we thought that we couldn't lose anyone else... Rest in Piece, Mickey. (And as for Benson, nothing of value was lost.)
But oh god, losing Thomas? That's going to leave a hole in everyone's heart that I'm not sure can ever be filled. Maybe the TV show can be created (assuming it did like in the books) to honor his memory.
Goodbye and good riddance to Sean Hall, the murderous bastard. Guess they found out what he did, but did so too late to stop him from essentially getting off scot-free. A part of me does suspect that Robert might have done some unintentional coverups, but his actions throughout the season have more than vindicated him in my eyes. And with that, it seems like 1965, the worst year in Sodor since WW2 (and their equivalent of 2020), is finally over, just in time for the Arlesdale Minis to debut!
Overall, a much tighter season that had a gripping mystery and plot, payoffs to a few long-running plot points, and shocking and heartbreaking deaths. One criticism I have, though is that it's clear that the cast has gotten way too big for its own good - the Skarloey Engines had practically no focus here, as did a few other engines like Eric, Rosie, Salty, Bill and Ben. Another is that for how good the story was (though YMMV on others), the episodes themselves were too short and few - they could have been a bit longer or perhaps a couple more could have been added to help flesh out the supporting cast more. And a third is that the ending music of the episode doesn't really fit. It could have been more morose and slow, maybe a piano version of the Thomas and Friends theme song to close out a bittersweet year.
Geoffrey... Peter... Mr. Zorro... Mickey... Thomas... We will never forget you.
Ya got to agree with thos criticisms, cast is way too big but he did have Skarloeys railway practically go a few episodes straight with just them last season or two.
My god this episode was heartbreaking. Truly one of your best, and it was pretty clear that the brother was the complicit behind the recent crimes.
Rest in peace Thomas, our #1 Blue Engine! You'll be greatly missed
Losing Thomas was heartbreaking, but i think he will come back, considering all the supernatural phenomena on sodor and Rob's further inventions
I am loving all the mad bomber parallels.
This is the most heartbreaking season.
Im surprised to hear that Thomas wasn't coming back. I was expecting something to bring him back.
This is certainly a turn of events.
"You were good son, real good. Maybe even the best."-Soldier (TF2) RIP Thomas
The last trivial event. The fallen hero. The shocked Island. What a hellish end.
I have a lot of strong words for you good sir. Most of it is incoherent screaming. But you have me glued to the screen and wondering where else this adventure is going to take us. I have a hunch the Foundation might get involved and maybe the Number One gets caught in the crosshairs. I have no idea, you truly have me guessing and it is extremely refreshing. Keep up the good work and see you in the next season.
One thing I can think of is how ironic it would be if it was Douglas that Mickey saved like that. Because of how Lily saved Henry the same way. Also, I’m thinking Thomas will have a situation like Barry.
RIP Thomas and Mickey.
They were true heros 😢😢😢
If this was a Thomily ship thing, Emily would've been much worse then Percy, Annie and Clarabel, of seeing her boyfriend's dead body being taken away while saying goodbye.
Just to say, this is taking a toll on me, this show was my childhood, but some childhood moments should pass
On one hand, no...Thomas...On the other hand, mad respect to Victor. Though without him...wonder how this might impact the railway...
And Mickey...a brave engine to the end.
A good finale to a good season! It feels a bit anticlimactic, but nonetheless, I'm still looking forward to the future!
yes but I'm still angry at him for killing him off, they need to bring him back, get rid of the jinity or having him on the harwick branch or build a replica of him now.
@@spongebobcoolduke1537 We can't say for Justin is Thomas's replacement just because we see him working on the Farquar Branch Line in the intro
@@fanofeverything30465 Yes we can't
I have a small request Victor, can season 6 have pacing similar to Season 4 (or 3)? That would elevate it even more.
"Smudger stopped laughing when he saw this video"
R.I.P Thomas The E2 1916 - 1965 a legend.. gone but never forgotten.
Good to know that the villain of Season 5 is finally revealed. I like how Francis, although an arrogant brat, goes through a small journey of guilt and sympathy. He feels guilty because of what happened to Peter, and sympathetic towards the NWR crew over Thomas' passing. Thomas and Mickey, you will both be missed.
Does he really feel guilty about Peter though?
@@BlooMonkiMan I mean in Revenge, he looked sad after hearing about Peter getting shot.
Not to mention he shared the steam engine's distian for Benson
Thanks for a great season Victor. I hope you continue this series in the near future. Happy Holidays.
I hope he can bring thomas back from the dead or bring in one of his e2 brothers or build a replica to replace him along with the jinity and see the arlesdale engines or more rws and tvs characters debuting.
I don't know if I can watch another season if there is one... 😢
I dont think
That he will kill any more engines atleast main ones
@@TTTEclub Yes he won't
Thomas could have survived, he wasn’t even coupled to the tanker. Thomas literally died for no reason
With thomas gone, I feel like gator will transfer to sodor, to take on the branch for a while, and then he and Percy become very good friends
this is possible one of the most cinematic pieces of ttte media i have ever indulged myself in. The quality of content has vastly improved since the simple and quaint season 1.
I think it would be pretty cool next season to see a few episodes focus on how Thomas death affected other engines and people that we didn’t get to see much in this episodes. For example a sir topham episode
This was a great episode I'm going to miss Thomas he was a really useful engine. This was a very bitter sweet season but it was a amazing at the same time.
wow, this was depressing one of my two favorite characters died in one ep. Victor, you did an awsome job with this series!