Did any navy ever consider purpose-building a ship for the kind of high-risk, high-speed supply/evacuation runs that the Tashkent (or the IJN's destroyers at Guadalcanal and other islands) ended up doing?
Why the IJN Submarines were rarely utilized in commerce raiding the American's pacific supply line? didn't they learn its effectiveness from their kriegsmarine counterpart?
Ive heard you talk about making the Titanic into HMS Victory 2 if she survived her encounter with a piece of ice in the ocean. How many destroyers would be required to sink HMS Victory 2 in a gun fight. Torpedoes would be handled by Buerau of Ordinance and there would be fog that will make spitting and shooting at anything over 50Yards impractical. Summary HMS Victory 2 vs how many destroyers if it comes to a gun fight at "my barrel is pressed onto tge hull of your ship" range?
@@Billy_Annizarry Allied supply lines in the pacific weren't even 1/100 of the volume that was going across the Atlantic and the Arctic Sea. There was no regular commerce to raid, basically...just occasional shipments of military supplies that traveled under heavy escort. Also, IJN submarine doctrine focused on them being a part of the _kantai kessen_ concept. They were meant to provide intel on warship movements and, once battle was joined, to disrupt formations and pick off stragglers from the enemy surface fleets.
@@TheEDFLegacy Standard load is ship without fuel. Deep load - standard load = 1340 tons. Range 9320 km. Over 150 kg/km. Two times more than Warspite. 33% more power in a ship that weights ten times less. By same math Tribal class burned 63+ kg/km. Not very accurate math and probably does not take something into account, but it is better than nothing.
There was a reason why Frensh DDs did have a completely "clean" forcastle, because at nearly 45kt there was a lot of force involved, even by wind. That is, indeed, the speed of a medium storm (80km/h).
Not only a credit to her builders, but the skills and bravery of the crew greatly contributed too! I’m glad both ship and crew were decorated during the war. And how many lives were saved by their actions? Many thousands, I think.
My experience with Italian engineering is strictly relegated to shotguns. However, I have found that reliable functionality in Italian Engineering takes a back seat to beautiful works of art for shotguns.
So while the Americans are still trying to get the answer to "How many guns", the Italians have answered the question of "What does a Ferrari look like in water!"
More likely "ALFA Romeo" - at the time the Tashkent was designed Ferrari was still the organizer of ALFA's racing team, and the fight with Wilfredo Ricart that convinced him to go his own way was still to happen.
I think the US issue was there was always room for one more gun. “Can we mount a 6-inch on top of the 11-inch? Pleeeeease????” Admirals are so cute at that age.
@@woongah still,ALFA`s racing team was Scuderia Ferrari anyway. oh,and he dont went his own way,he got fired. and finally doing what he dont want to do in Fiat.
@@wheelmanv fair. Counterpoint: "Gunners wings of fire is currently playing and yet their wings are not on fire. Correct that" czcams.com/video/5L3Czosinbs/video.html
How would you like to be the poor guy who tells Stalin that the Tashkent was a design that was too advanced for Soviet shipyards to copy. I've heard that Siberia was warm this time of year.
Stalin liked his scientists clear headed so he made sure they had ample supply of fresh air up north. Then he would call them back ... then send them back then call them back ... nothing like taking a piss at minus 30c to renew strong commitment to the party.
@@crabhuman Things were not always this dramatic when needed skills were concerned. Stalin was a cunning bully, he imposed results through intimidation. People with needed skills were sent to NKVD ran brain pool prisons. Solschenizyn wrote an account of his time in such a prison in his novel The First Circle. He chose hard labor camp over mental erosion. These "research centers" worked mostly on surveillance technologies. Stalin had also some very genial traits. He distrusted those around him but related well with "ordinary people".
@@mikecimerian6913 He had some very genial traits with ordinary people indeed. Just ask the ukranians. Woops! Now where did they go? And that was only the start. The bastard was a meglomaniac and psychopath. The end.
I know what you mean, for so many good ships are irrationally scrapped rather than judiciously repurposed. Take heart that Tashkent was not such a ship, but one of those rare times when the trashed vessel is doing more for its people as scrap after a solid service in war.
@@Elkarlo77 That was an actual issue for the Swordfish during the Channel Dash, IIRC. They ended up having to approach the germans from the rear and had genuine problems catching up...and of course that also meant they were under concentrated AA fire for a lot longer.
@@GaldirEonai I knew, 400 kph max air speed of the Ju 87 may not be great, but is way better than the 220 kph of the Swordfish. The 80 kph of the Tashkent and a Headwind plus a Torpedo load may be enough that the Italien Racehorse may outrun the slow British Bird. But of course the high speed made it hard to hit for everybody.
Hi Drach, could you review HMS Imogen (D44), My Great Grandfather served on it and was killed in the collision that sunk it. I've done my own research but to have a video to show his now aging children would be amazing.
Italian shipyards were great (their problems were doctrinal, not due to lack of technical ability). Italian _ammunition manufacturing plants_ on the other hand...:P
@@TheAngelobarker We licensed the design from them, modification of the design and construction is being done here to result in the new CONSTELLATION class frigates. Let's hope they will be more sea and battle worthy than the LCS (Little Crappy Ship) designs.
*"I'm Tashkent, flotilla leader destroyer from the Soviet Navy. There are three other... actually, nevermind. I'm called the "Blue Cruiser" because of my Italian-style construction. Of course, I'm a destroyer, and I have nothing against that. I'll put up results just like I did during the Battle of Sevastopol, so look forward to it."*
Did you mention that she was painted a sky blue rather than the usual VMF grey? Her colour was remarked on contemporaneously as adding to the beauty of an already beautiful ship.
The original Soviet-designed Pr.30( as well as 30-K and 30-bis) DD-s are attractive as well. And the Pr.7/7-U also have their aesthetics. They may be not the most beautiful ships in their wartime shape due to boxy bridge and ugly gun mounts (both early and late), but the overall style is beautiful to me.
@@matehavlik4559 It took like ten years, but they finally did it. It's hard to imagine now that the base Fiat 124 was worse than its Soviet clones, but it was.
@@nvo7024 , yeah, the Lada was far superior to its Italian counterparts. The Soviets wanted a more modern iteration of the Model T; reliable, sturdy, solid...perhaps most importantly, simple enough for the shade-tree mechanic to repair. Baling wire and bubblegum. Early versions were equipped with a handcrank, for those Siberian winters. Not often do I feel the need to applaud anything that happened in the Evil Empire, but that suitcase Lada hit the mark.
Actually Italian engineering wasn't as good as this brief look shows. They were only able to achieve those ridiculous speeds on trials by running the ships in very light conditions, sometimes without gun turrets or armour installed and with barely the minimum fuel to do those trials. At sea and in full wartime load the much vaunted Italian cruisers were barely faster than their British built opponents as HMAS Sydney proved and could not take anywhere the same amount of damage due to their light construction.
@@SpyralPegacyon didn't he try to fit a destroyer with a ridiculously large torpedo or gun armament in the 1910s ?? And it all went hilariously wrong ??
"You've never heard of the Tashkent?" "No, should I have?" "She's the ship that did the Sevastopol run at over 40 knots. She's fast enough for you, old man."
I was just reading an article by in the Daily Telegraph from 1918 about the British return to Galipili, by my Great grandfather so the Black Sea area turned is very much to mind, so I here I am. I'm always interested in comparatively obscure navies and their ships and this one in particular, so another historic gem.
So Italy supplied a warship to the Soviets just before the Germans, Italy's ally, invaded the Soviet Union. That's got to be an interesting conversation. Germany: You did what? Italy: We just delivered a warship to the Soviet Union. Germany: But we are just about to invade the Soviet Union. Italy: Well you never mentioned you were going to invade the soviet Union. Germany: Yes. Well. We wanted it to be a surprise. Italy: What. It was the Soviet Unions birthday or something.
Well the Soviets were still supplying the Germans with strategic supplies _as the Germans were invading._ The first German forces heading East passed trains full of wheat, oil, chromium, etc. heading West. "Hey Dmitri, did we cross into Poland yet?" "No, why?" "Well we just went past a huge column of German tanks..."
The Italians had contracted to supply the RAF with several squadrons worth of Fiat G.50s in 1939. Germany, again, tapped them on the shoulder, and the aircraft would eventually make it to Great Britain on the other side, where they would perform very badly indeed
@@markbecht1420 Having seen modern Fiat cars, some of which are at least cool looking in a 60s throwback kind of way, I find the idea of a Fiat fighter plane to be a bit funny.
@@operkoi8954 they also almost gave them the 11inch guns for the soviet battlecruisers being built. If they had delivered them the soviet probably would have turned around and used them in defense of leningrad
Tough little ship. And the top speed ... Wow! I always learn something new from your offerings Drachinifel, this one was of a ship I knew almost nothing about (and me, considered something of a Soviet Navy "expert" when my ship was deployed to Sixth Fleet. I suspect strongly that even though she was Italian designed and built, something of Tashkent's lines and design found its way into more modern Soviet Navy designs. A number of their post-WWII destroyer and cruisers were very fast and heavily armed for their size.
All I can think about between the encounters of the Luftwaffe and the Tashkent, is an old Soviet/Russian cartoon "Nu Pogodi!", which translates to "Well, Just you wait!" Think a crossover between Road Runner and Tom and Jerry, but make it Russian. Fits perfectly imo
Hi! I had to like this one even before watching it simply because I've scratchbuilt her in 1:100 scale! 👍 Edit: I am amazed by the number of photos you managed to find!... Thank you!
I met this Beast in IL-2 1946 and i must say it is the most visually attractive DD i have ever seen. And the fastest in the game as well. 42 knots. - Most impressive firepower too. Thank you for shining a light on this little naval gem - certainly a Ship i will not forget for decades to come.
Hm Drach rather odd that there was no mention of her armament going from the Pr.20 to the Pr.30 destroyer . Still The Blue Cruiser Tashkent is a rather nice Destroyer design.
Wow, what a gorgeous destroyer! I wouldn't have expected that from the USSR! "She was designed and built by an Italian company..." Ah, that explains it
Speed FTW .... I think the standard Luftwaffe training on shipping bombing was like aim here, because it will go maximum 30 knots ... and than this happens
War Thunder Naval>World of Warships. IJN Hyuga was the second ship of the Ise class, a class of two Japanese super-dreadnoughts built for the Imperial Japanese Navy. As the third class of dreadnoughts designed for the Japanese Navy (after the preceding Fuso and Kawachi classes), Hyuga mounted an extremely powerful main battery. She was commissioned too late to serve in the First World War, but saw service in the interwar period including some minor roles during the Second Sino-Japanese war. Hyuga was extensively modernized before the start of the Second World War, but remained obsolete. As a result, she saw little combat action. In 1943, Hyuga was given a heavy refit, and the rear guns were removed to make way for a spacious flight deck for seaplanes. She was eventually sunk by American carrier aircraft in 1945 at Kure, and was scrapped between 1946 and 1947.
2:10 in order to actually go anywhere with hilarious power plant, it would need to carry just over 42% ― now that number keeps coming up again― of its standard displacement as fuel Lol, it's literally Kerbal Space Program level of fuel occupancy, holy cow🤣
It didn't always need that much. Remember, that's a destroyer leader specifically for the Black Sea, which is, you know, a closed (and quite small) naval warfare theater
Up until the later stages of WW2 the soviet approach to all military engineering was to source random bits of technology from other nations and then work out uses for it once they had it. A lot of their hardware was basically cobbled together from french, british, german and so on technology that they'd picked up for cheap at some point.
Drach, I'm curious... What is the real benefit, if any, of having destroyers that are this ridiculously fast? It seems that for the amount of effort that has to be put into making a destroyer this fast, you don't gain an *awful* lot of operational capability over something like a Fubuki or a Tribal or what-have-you except for the ability to run from a fight
If they are following the French contre-torpilleur design logic, I believe the speed is intended to let "large destroyers" like this overtake and run down smallers destroyers and torpedo boats. The idea was to make something faster and nastier than the little gnats that could threaten your more valuable ships with torpedoes (hence, contre-torpilleurs -> counter/anti-"torpedo boat"... the name harkens back to the original meaning of destroyer, namely a destroyer of torpedo boats). They're a specialized ship type rather than a generalist destroyer although they could be pressed into other destroyer roles (they just have very overpowered engines for the generalist role). Most navies that ran these big destroyers also had smaller destroyers (compare the Fantasque and Mogador contre-torpilleurs to the Adroit or Bourrasque torpilleurs d'escadre - all classed as "destroyers" in English). The little guys were meant to move in flotillas and torpedo stuff and the big guys were meant to stop them (or do their job in a pinch). You find them mostly in the Med and Black Sea where the calmer seas allow for these crazy speedboat designs.
Speed was super important in WWII destroyers because they had no armor. Don't need armor if they can't land hits on you. That speed allowed them to close to torpedo range quicker, giving enemies less time to react. As far as "running away", the destroyers were the guard dogs of the fleet. As the meme goes... Destroyers attacc and defend, but mostly they protecc. There is no "running away".
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Did any navy ever consider purpose-building a ship for the kind of high-risk, high-speed supply/evacuation runs that the Tashkent (or the IJN's destroyers at Guadalcanal and other islands) ended up doing?
Will you ever do a guide on the Battle of Leyte Gulf?
Why the IJN Submarines were rarely utilized in commerce raiding the American's pacific supply line? didn't they learn its effectiveness from their kriegsmarine counterpart?
Ive heard you talk about making the Titanic into HMS Victory 2 if she survived her encounter with a piece of ice in the ocean. How many destroyers would be required to sink HMS Victory 2 in a gun fight. Torpedoes would be handled by Buerau of Ordinance and there would be fog that will make spitting and shooting at anything over 50Yards impractical.
Summary
HMS Victory 2 vs how many destroyers if it comes to a gun fight at "my barrel is pressed onto tge hull of your ship" range?
@@Billy_Annizarry Allied supply lines in the pacific weren't even 1/100 of the volume that was going across the Atlantic and the Arctic Sea. There was no regular commerce to raid, basically...just occasional shipments of military supplies that traveled under heavy escort.
Also, IJN submarine doctrine focused on them being a part of the _kantai kessen_ concept. They were meant to provide intel on warship movements and, once battle was joined, to disrupt formations and pick off stragglers from the enemy surface fleets.
I get a Roadrunner vibe from Tashkent's story.
Luftwaffe: "Stand still, you little bastage!"
Tashkent: "Meep meep!" [Disappears in cloud of smoke]
In this case the Roadrunner’s manner of speaking is noticeably monotone. Like Charles Bronson in The Great Escape
Me too. All speed and no real teeth.
Except probably literally in a cloud of smoke... hate to know how much fuel that thing burned!
@@TheEDFLegacy Standard load is ship without fuel. Deep load - standard load = 1340 tons. Range 9320 km. Over 150 kg/km. Two times more than Warspite. 33% more power in a ship that weights ten times less. By same math Tribal class burned 63+ kg/km. Not very accurate math and probably does not take something into account, but it is better than nothing.
Meep meep, but communist.
All I can imagine is the commanders face doing the "Dog out the car window" when she was at full tilt
I suspect that he won't last for long. Each incoming wave would throw the body all across the bridge...
There was a reason why Frensh DDs did have a completely "clean" forcastle, because at nearly 45kt there was a lot of force involved, even by wind.
That is, indeed, the speed of a medium storm (80km/h).
The skills of the Italian ship builders leading up to WW2 are seriously underrated, what an amazing ship.
Not just pre WW2 ships either! To this day, in many fields, I think Italian engineering expertise and creativity are totally underrated.
Not only a credit to her builders, but the skills and bravery of the crew greatly contributed too! I’m glad both ship and crew were decorated during the war. And how many lives were saved by their actions? Many thousands, I think.
Agreed absolutely. Italy's contribution to warship, and indeed aviation development is often over looked.
My experience with Italian engineering is strictly relegated to shotguns. However, I have found that reliable functionality in Italian Engineering takes a back seat to beautiful works of art for shotguns.
Italian ammunition manufacturing on the other hand
So while the Americans are still trying to get the answer to "How many guns", the Italians have answered the question of "What does a Ferrari look like in water!"
More likely "ALFA Romeo" - at the time the Tashkent was designed Ferrari was still the organizer of ALFA's racing team, and the fight with Wilfredo Ricart that convinced him to go his own way was still to happen.
Guns R Goooooooood.
Cristiano Pruneri good job on the time line, bro!! Props!
I think the US issue was there was always room for one more gun. “Can we mount a 6-inch on top of the 11-inch? Pleeeeease????” Admirals are so cute at that age.
@@woongah still,ALFA`s racing team was Scuderia Ferrari anyway.
oh,and he dont went his own way,he got fired.
and finally doing what he dont want to do in Fiat.
Tashkent: the answer to death, the Black Sea, and everything
Tankred Endures
Nowait i misread the name.
But Tankred Still Endures.
Bombers appear on the horizon.
Tashkent's captain: comrade helmsman, drop the eurobeat
I think you mean the hardbass
@@wheelmanv fair. Counterpoint: "Gunners wings of fire is currently playing and yet their wings are not on fire. Correct that"
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Eurobeat is for Western Spies Blyat!
(Dare I ask, an "Initial D" anime reference?)
@@woongah absolutely
"Do you want a destroyer or a cruiser?"
"Da"
Is it a destruiser or a croyer?
@@GaldirEonai If we go off the origin of the name destroyer from torpedo boat destroyer then this is a destroyer destroyer
@@maxkennedy8075 Destroyer²?
@@GaldirEonai
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She is known as Comrade Medium One for a reason.
As it is believed in Russia, the most beautiful ship of the USSR Navy ever.
Makes sense, since it was designed by the Italians!
Whenever I take it out in World of Warships I think “this is the best looking ship in the game”.
The Blue Cruiser they called her.
Very beautiful indeed!
Agreed
Honestly, she's got the lines for one of the most beautiful ships *generally*.
How would you like to be the poor guy who tells Stalin that the Tashkent was a design that was too advanced for Soviet shipyards to copy. I've heard that Siberia was warm this time of year.
You're assuming that he made it out of interrogation at Lubyanka
Stalin liked his scientists clear headed so he made sure they had ample supply of fresh air up north. Then he would call them back ... then send them back then call them back ... nothing like taking a piss at minus 30c to renew strong commitment to the party.
@@mikecimerian6913 usually clear headed with a nagant revolver round in the back of the head :(
@@crabhuman Things were not always this dramatic when needed skills were concerned. Stalin was a cunning bully, he imposed results through intimidation. People with needed skills were sent to NKVD ran brain pool prisons. Solschenizyn wrote an account of his time in such a prison in his novel The First Circle. He chose hard labor camp over mental erosion. These "research centers" worked mostly on surveillance technologies. Stalin had also some very genial traits. He distrusted those around him but related well with "ordinary people".
@@mikecimerian6913 He had some very genial traits with ordinary people indeed. Just ask the ukranians. Woops! Now where did they go? And that was only the start. The bastard was a meglomaniac and psychopath. The end.
Ah yes, the Comrade Medium One, the best soap bar in some random ship game and the best cruiser ever
Comrade Medium (Big, if exposed) One*
Fixed it for you :>
I irrationally find the phrase, "scrapped at the end of the war" tragic, for a ship that I never even boarded.
I agree. It just sounds so sad.
I know what you mean, for so many good ships are irrationally scrapped rather than judiciously repurposed. Take heart that Tashkent was not such a ship, but one of those rare times when the trashed vessel is doing more for its people as scrap after a solid service in war.
You can't just hoard a bunch of old, beat up, obsolete warships. The maintenance costs alone on museum ships is incredible.
@@richardm3023 Duh. Still sad.
It always makes me think of the horse's fate in Animal Farm: sent to the glue factory after his usefulness was at an end.
Ah yes, the blue cruiser. Truly a marvelous piece of engineering, and such a sad fate.
Rest in peace, comrade medium one.
I suspect the dislikes may be from Stuka pilots.
At least a Ju87 had the chance to catch it. A Swordfish with headwind, may not.
@@Elkarlo77
Lol!
@@Elkarlo77 That was an actual issue for the Swordfish during the Channel Dash, IIRC. They ended up having to approach the germans from the rear and had genuine problems catching up...and of course that also meant they were under concentrated AA fire for a lot longer.
@@GaldirEonai I knew, 400 kph max air speed of the Ju 87 may not be great, but is way better than the 220 kph of the Swordfish. The 80 kph of the Tashkent and a Headwind plus a Torpedo load may be enough that the Italien Racehorse may outrun the slow British Bird. But of course the high speed made it hard to hit for everybody.
Hi Drach, could you review HMS Imogen (D44), My Great Grandfather served on it and was killed in the collision that sunk it. I've done my own research but to have a video to show his now aging children would be amazing.
Coffee and warships!
every Saturday morning over breakfast!
My destroyer cruiser cannot be this cute.
Or this big idk
Don't shame our overweighted destroyer!
Oh?
And did I mention she was actually faster than Bunny island wind destroyer?
@@fletcher-ashipwithmanysist4282 now that's the bunny destroyer that you are going to make mad.
Bloody weebs
@@jamesharding3459 problem?
If not shut up.
Credit where it's due, this little ship certainly brings honor to the (often maligned) Italian shipyards, doesn't it?
Italian shipyards were great (their problems were doctrinal, not due to lack of technical ability). Italian _ammunition manufacturing plants_ on the other hand...:P
No one maligns the Italian ship yards. Heck the us is buying a bunch of destroyer sized ships from them
I didn't realise Italian shipyards were maligned, they even produced some great battleships like the Littorio class
The meme history is that Italians sucked and lost and had terrible tanks etc, so for a lot of people that gets attributed to the navy too.
@@TheAngelobarker We licensed the design from them, modification of the design and construction is being done here to result in the new CONSTELLATION class frigates. Let's hope they will be more sea and battle worthy than the LCS (Little Crappy Ship) designs.
*"I'm Tashkent, flotilla leader destroyer from the Soviet Navy. There are three other... actually, nevermind. I'm called the "Blue Cruiser" because of my Italian-style construction. Of course, I'm a destroyer, and I have nothing against that. I'll put up results just like I did during the Battle of Sevastopol, so look forward to it."*
ビッグディックダチ my father was a battleship, my mother was a cruiser. But, I’m okay with that....
i've been waiting for this review for ever, its good to finally see a proper history about the tashkent
Did you mention that she was painted a sky blue rather than the usual VMF grey? Her colour was remarked on contemporaneously as adding to the beauty of an already beautiful ship.
I remember her having a nickname of azure destroyer or something like that
You could tell she was Italian and not Russian just by looking at her. She was sleek and nimble and overall, a very attractive ship design.
The original Soviet-designed Pr.30( as well as 30-K and 30-bis) DD-s are attractive as well. And the Pr.7/7-U also have their aesthetics. They may be not the most beautiful ships in their wartime shape due to boxy bridge and ugly gun mounts (both early and late), but the overall style is beautiful to me.
Indeed, the number 42 does keep coming up again and again.
The Internal Security is strong with this Ship.
Tashkent proved just how good Italian engineering could be if the engineers were allowed to work.
Then Soviets make a Lada out of a FIAT 😏😀
@@matehavlik4559 It took like ten years, but they finally did it. It's hard to imagine now that the base Fiat 124 was worse than its Soviet clones, but it was.
You must like Chrysler stuff?
@@nvo7024 , yeah, the Lada was far superior to its Italian counterparts. The Soviets wanted a more modern iteration of the Model T; reliable, sturdy, solid...perhaps most importantly, simple enough for the shade-tree mechanic to repair. Baling wire and bubblegum. Early versions were equipped with a handcrank, for those Siberian winters.
Not often do I feel the need to applaud anything that happened in the Evil Empire, but that suitcase Lada hit the mark.
Actually Italian engineering wasn't as good as this brief look shows. They were only able to achieve those ridiculous speeds on trials by running the ships in very light conditions, sometimes without gun turrets or armour installed and with barely the minimum fuel to do those trials.
At sea and in full wartime load the much vaunted Italian cruisers were barely faster than their British built opponents as HMAS Sydney proved and could not take anywhere the same amount of damage due to their light construction.
A very nice 5 minute guide. Seems like even the Soviets sometimes got an interesting ship. Over 40 knots is something else.
Italians- WE ARE SPEED......and structural instability.
*laughs in littorio class tanking several torpedoes and sailing away
@@TheAngelobarker the Littorio class is speed and looks combined and its so massive, even the Italians couldn't make her unstable.
Like most Fiat Chrysler stuff... 😒
@@SpyralPegacyon didn't he try to fit a destroyer with a ridiculously large torpedo or gun armament in the 1910s ?? And it all went hilariously wrong ??
Seriusly man, your channel is freaking amazing and im not realy a warship nerd. I just love your research and your voice 😅😊
and those little humorous tidbits thrown in.
dude, that 42 subtle reference, nice touch there. I tip my hat.
"You've never heard of the Tashkent?"
"No, should I have?"
"She's the ship that did the Sevastopol run at over 40 knots. She's fast enough for you, old man."
Oh! The Millennium Tashkent. Why didn't you say so
Drach, again a fascinating look at a brave little ship that we in the west are unlikely to otherwise learn about. Thank you, sir!
"Tough little ship."
-Commander William Riker, 1996
Little?
I was just reading an article by in the Daily Telegraph from 1918 about the British return to Galipili, by my Great grandfather so the Black Sea area turned is very much to mind, so I here I am. I'm always interested in comparatively obscure navies and their ships and this one in particular, so another historic gem.
So Italy supplied a warship to the Soviets just before the Germans, Italy's ally, invaded the Soviet Union. That's got to be an interesting conversation.
Germany: You did what?
Italy: We just delivered a warship to the Soviet Union.
Germany: But we are just about to invade the Soviet Union.
Italy: Well you never mentioned you were going to invade the soviet Union.
Germany: Yes. Well. We wanted it to be a surprise.
Italy: What. It was the Soviet Unions birthday or something.
Well the Soviets were still supplying the Germans with strategic supplies _as the Germans were invading._ The first German forces heading East passed trains full of wheat, oil, chromium, etc. heading West.
"Hey Dmitri, did we cross into Poland yet?"
"No, why?"
"Well we just went past a huge column of German tanks..."
The Italians had contracted to supply the RAF with several squadrons worth of Fiat G.50s in 1939. Germany, again, tapped them on the shoulder, and the aircraft would eventually make it to Great Britain on the other side, where they would perform very badly indeed
The Germans gave the Soviets an almost complete hipper class cruiser right before Barbarossa. It ended up defending Leningrad
@@markbecht1420 Having seen modern Fiat cars, some of which are at least cool looking in a 60s throwback kind of way, I find the idea of a Fiat fighter plane to be a bit funny.
@@operkoi8954 they also almost gave them the 11inch guns for the soviet battlecruisers being built. If they had delivered them the soviet probably would have turned around and used them in defense of leningrad
Tough little ship. And the top speed ... Wow! I always learn something new from your offerings Drachinifel, this one was of a ship I knew almost nothing about (and me, considered something of a Soviet Navy "expert" when my ship was deployed to Sixth Fleet.
I suspect strongly that even though she was Italian designed and built, something of Tashkent's lines and design found its way into more modern Soviet Navy designs. A number of their post-WWII destroyer and cruisers were very fast and heavily armed for their size.
Very beautiful... And FAST
All I can think about between the encounters of the Luftwaffe and the Tashkent, is an old Soviet/Russian cartoon "Nu Pogodi!", which translates to "Well, Just you wait!"
Think a crossover between Road Runner and Tom and Jerry, but make it Russian. Fits perfectly imo
The answer IS 42 - to any question you may have
Just ask the mice...
Beautiful way to start the morning
Finally, a video about Comrade Medium One.
Commarde medium one!
and yes, I play Kancolle... and used to play World of Warships.
Her lines are beautiful
Pretty boat.
And fast and well armed as well.
Nice.
Thanks for this.
The beautiful blue cruiser
From the 'I know what a warship should look like' school of design. I wonder how she would have faired in a ship to ship engagement.
Wow, she had beautiful lines, quality esthetic Italian design lines as always.
And a tough little ship indeed. Respect👏👍
Thank you, Drachinifel.
Hi! I had to like this one even before watching it simply because I've scratchbuilt her in 1:100 scale! 👍
Edit: I am amazed by the number of photos you managed to find!...
Thank you!
Ahh yes. Comrade medium one.
Comrade tiny one (Hibiki/Verniy/Dekabrist) when?
YURO FLEET COMING SOON.
Sounds a bit like the Russian version of HMS Abdiel.
Quite extraordinary and I dream of the day when you cover the H. M. S. Celendine, thanks again Sir..
I met this Beast in IL-2 1946 and i must say it is the most visually attractive DD i have ever seen.
And the fastest in the game as well. 42 knots. - Most impressive firepower too.
Thank you for shining a light on this little naval gem - certainly a Ship i will not forget for decades to come.
Also good to see that we're getting closer to the 5 Minute mark again Drach :D
One of the most beautiful destroyers in history. Sad that its carier was rather short, if eventful.
Apparently the ship was nicknamed "The blue cruiser".
+1 for HHGTTG reference! 👌😁
The speed was very impressive.
6:05 "No_vo_ros_sysk" ;) Great documentary ))
always found the story of the USS Maine interesting on whether it was a mine or a flash fire hat sunk her
Tokyo Express to Guadalcanal
Scrap lron Flotilla to Tobruk &
Tashkent Flyer to Sevastopol!
Patiently waiting for the conclusion to the Destroyer videos :(
Thank you for redistributing your wealth of knowledge comrade.
I play this ship a lot in war thunder, and its ability to pull 80km/h even in a chop with all the firepower it has onboard is phenomenal
I’d love to see you talk about the Battlecruiser Stalingrad if you haven’t already :)
Ah, the Hitchhiker's Guide to Soviet Destroyers. Nice.
I'd love to see a video on Öland or some of the Swedish (I think) destroyers not much is known about them
Kriegsmarine: "We shall built heavily armed destroyers!"
USSR:"Hold my vodka."
Beautiful ship.
Magnifico!
Next the Kirov?
Interesting stuff on a mad but useful ship nice lines as well
An ignominious end to a brave little ship.
Had to replay the HP to tonnage comment to make sure I heard it correctly!
I'd like to see a video on the Cleveland Class.
Hm Drach rather odd that there was no mention of her armament going from the Pr.20 to the Pr.30 destroyer .
Still The Blue Cruiser Tashkent is a rather nice Destroyer design.
Good morning from California! Wake up early for these!
It would be interesting to see a montage of speed video, with an ascending order of all the ships of WWII.
Big Bang theory theme intensifies
Can we get a guide on the Horst Wessel/USCGC Eagle (WIX-327)?
Would make an interesting episode.
Thank you for the early upload! Time for coffee!
Everyone favourite Soviet Ship Girl From Kancolle
That's an interesting way to spell Avrora and Pamyat Merkuriya, hahaha
My hobby is learning stuff from Drach, then telling weebs which ship girl waifu they don't want because they won't make it to the end of the war.
@@SlocketSeven it's ok, we secretly enjoy having our hearts broken by tragedy.
Can we have an episode on the City Class river gunboats of the American Civil War, such as the USS Cairo?
Redistribute the means of production to their own yards, eh?
lol
I always suspected that Drach was a commie.;)
I think I heard our comrade narrator giggle when he read that line....
Came here for this comment lol
I got her in Azur Lane recently.
Including the music version.
Me too
Italy: Large destroyers are cruisers with no citadel.
USSR: Not what I expected but ok.
Fascinating story!
Wow, what a gorgeous destroyer! I wouldn't have expected that from the USSR!
"She was designed and built by an Italian company..."
Ah, that explains it
"42%, that number keeps coming up..."
Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything
How about the original New Jersey - the one with the B turret stuck on top of the A?
Speed FTW .... I think the standard Luftwaffe training on shipping bombing was like aim here, because it will go maximum 30 knots ... and than this happens
War Thunder Naval>World of Warships.
IJN Hyuga was the second ship of the Ise class, a class of two Japanese super-dreadnoughts built for the Imperial Japanese Navy. As the third class of dreadnoughts designed for the Japanese Navy (after the preceding Fuso and Kawachi classes), Hyuga mounted an extremely powerful main battery. She was commissioned too late to serve in the First World War, but saw service in the interwar period including some minor roles during the Second Sino-Japanese war. Hyuga was extensively modernized before the start of the Second World War, but remained obsolete. As a result, she saw little combat action. In 1943, Hyuga was given a heavy refit, and the rear guns were removed to make way for a spacious flight deck for seaplanes. She was eventually sunk by American carrier aircraft in 1945 at Kure, and was scrapped between 1946 and 1947.
Cheers from Estonia
Miks?
@@ramiel7666 ? Ei tohi sisuloojat tervitada?
Greetings from the corner of the US known as Maine! (My daughter has great love for Estonia. I expect she will be visiting you this summer.)
@@just-dl Cheers. You are very welcome to visit.
2:10 in order to actually go anywhere with hilarious power plant, it would need to carry just over 42% ― now that number keeps coming up again― of its standard displacement as fuel
Lol, it's literally Kerbal Space Program level of fuel occupancy, holy cow🤣
It didn't always need that much. Remember, that's a destroyer leader specifically for the Black Sea, which is, you know, a closed (and quite small) naval warfare theater
Ah, the Tashkent... the hero ship of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet.
Torpedoes spotted sir, which way...
ok be careful not to overrun them!
Best part of my drive to work
no wonder, several of the earlier soviet ships look like, they have been welded together from ships, at least from 5 different navies...
Up until the later stages of WW2 the soviet approach to all military engineering was to source random bits of technology from other nations and then work out uses for it once they had it. A lot of their hardware was basically cobbled together from french, british, german and so on technology that they'd picked up for cheap at some point.
@@GaldirEonai
Was that the reason Gangut look the way she did after refit?
@@GaldirEonai why invent a new wheel if you just can copy and adapt? much cheaper and less labour intensive than pioneering.
Drach, I'm curious... What is the real benefit, if any, of having destroyers that are this ridiculously fast? It seems that for the amount of effort that has to be put into making a destroyer this fast, you don't gain an *awful* lot of operational capability over something like a Fubuki or a Tribal or what-have-you except for the ability to run from a fight
Being able to do: run fast, hit and break something, and then run back into the protection of friendly aircraft ?
If they are following the French contre-torpilleur design logic, I believe the speed is intended to let "large destroyers" like this overtake and run down smallers destroyers and torpedo boats. The idea was to make something faster and nastier than the little gnats that could threaten your more valuable ships with torpedoes (hence, contre-torpilleurs -> counter/anti-"torpedo boat"... the name harkens back to the original meaning of destroyer, namely a destroyer of torpedo boats). They're a specialized ship type rather than a generalist destroyer although they could be pressed into other destroyer roles (they just have very overpowered engines for the generalist role).
Most navies that ran these big destroyers also had smaller destroyers (compare the Fantasque and Mogador contre-torpilleurs to the Adroit or Bourrasque torpilleurs d'escadre - all classed as "destroyers" in English). The little guys were meant to move in flotillas and torpedo stuff and the big guys were meant to stop them (or do their job in a pinch). You find them mostly in the Med and Black Sea where the calmer seas allow for these crazy speedboat designs.
Speed was super important in WWII destroyers because they had no armor. Don't need armor if they can't land hits on you. That speed allowed them to close to torpedo range quicker, giving enemies less time to react.
As far as "running away", the destroyers were the guard dogs of the fleet. As the meme goes... Destroyers attacc and defend, but mostly they protecc. There is no "running away".
As a suggestion for the ship list:
HMS Temeraire (1798)
Santísima Trinidad (yes, the 140 guns one)
Worcester-class cruiser
You should consider making a video on the Capitani Romani class heavy destroyers/light cruisers
An old favourite of mine