ZOHD Nano Talon - amazing quality, performance, and long range potential
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I really wasn't sure what to expect out of the Nano Talon, but any concerns I might have had went away the moment I saw it and flew it! It is designed really well and even though it is small, there is quite a lot of space in there, especially if you use the right gear. And in the air it is absolutely outstanding. It has some pretty spectacular flight efficiency for its size, and absolutely refuses to tip stall even if I try to make it! The ZOHD stabilization unit does a fairly good job of reining the plane in, so even more inexperienced pilots should be able to handle it.
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air to air footage is sick, great work. Also love my nano talon!
Thanks! :)
Very nice demo and info. I have mine ready to go now, just waiting for the weather to improve and the snow to go away! Happy Flying.
Haha, thanks! I was also waiting for weather... it should be good today so I am thinking of doing some flying!
Man, I just love your commentaries, bro, especially when you get animated in your discussion. You do such a great job. Keep up the great work (and this platform looks like a winner!).
Thanks mate! Appreciate the support! :)
Yup, the Nano Talon looks like it, will need some work done... but hopefully the results will be worth it! :)
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ALL HAIL ZOHD.nano talon of the vtails. Good Show.
Hahaha! :)
Следя ви с голям интерес, и благородно завиждам за условията които има в България за FPV и моделизъм. Прекрасни метеорологични условия и безкрайни полета, изоставените писти и липсата на законни ограничения са нещо за което мога само да мечтая. Поздрави от южна Франция, страна на циклони и строги закони, където не може да летиш без някой да ти каже че е забранено.
Хаха, да, изобщо не звучи добре при вас... ама чак пък да е напълно незаконно! Има разни клипове на хора от там, които си хвъркат и по-далечко! :)
I'm really loving your content.
Thank you! :)
I look forward to your next video to see what you can do with this Nano Talon 👍
Trust me, I am looking forward to it as well, just need to find the time to do the mods! :)
Excellent Show!!
Thank you! :)
I just bought this after seeing your review.Thanks
Cool, I hope you like it! :)
Great review.....subscribed
Thanks mate, appreciate it! :)
Your voice sounds exactly like Captain Joe! The pilot CZcamsr :D haha
So I've been told! :D
I just subscribed to your channel. Nice informational video. Keep it up! :-)
Thanks for the support mate! :)
Captain joe of the fpv world, haha he does sound just like him
So just this Captain Joe never take a breath between sentences either? Too hard to listen to.
Still waiting for mine to arrive :(
Can't wait for your long range with this one ;)
Trust me, I can't wait either... just need to find the time in between all the other stuff I have fallen behind on! :)
Thanks for the video.
You are most welcome! :)
Wow ! !! I know it ! I just got a Zohd Orbit +) ! Next time will take Talon ! Thx for video...
It was my pleasure! :)
Awesome little abandoned airstrip for rc use👍
Yup! :)
Very nice!
Thanks! :)
👍👍👍👍 to the camera man 👏👏👏
That would be me! :)
Great video!
I like the idea of putting LiIon pack on this little beast. Flight controller may turn it into fpv beast.
Yup... my idea exactly!
Great video, i have ordered one as i am looking for a nice small plane, my flying skills on fixed wing are poor as i am still a rookie on fixed wing, but hoping with the stabilisation i should get on well with this plane
Thanks! Yes, the stabilization makes flying this very easy, and it should be perfect for somebody with little flying experience. :)
You are best!😘
Thanks! :)
Very interesting review
what were you using for the footage in the air of the nano talon.
very slick
I usually fly with my Phantom 3 Pro, but this time I forgot to take it with me, so used my friend's Mavic. To be honest I definitely prefer the size of the radio and the controls of the 3 Pro! :)
Thanks for the tip on using 4S. Maybe the flat wing mod will stop the flutter, as dihedral fights the stabiliser in roll causing yaw etc?
The flat wing mod did make a positive difference... though at this time I am not seeing the grand effect other people are reporting... a few more flights will be needed! :)
amazing video. which one do u recommend for a starter beginner can i direcltlz go for fpv instead of LOS. i fly quadcopters so would like to trz out fpv.
Which one? What are the options?
Can u believe the limited edition black one? I'm soooooo excited to see it!!
Hahahaha, yeah... pretty nice of them to do it! Hope it flies better!
Please show us your development, getting one of these soon and will need help setting up inav, probably use a omnibus f4... Also be interesting to see why it wobbles!
There is quite a lot of it actually: czcams.com/video/6Iy69U-oI24/video.html and czcams.com/video/rlP_9vGxA1E/video.html
As for the wobbles... for the time being I would say wrong PIDs... will see if that will be fixed when I do some tuning, otherwise I would say the slop in the control surfaces is what is causing it.
wow what a rave review. Just received my NT in the post. So slick and well built. going to get a kick out of building and traveling and flying it. I am thinking L9R with 600mW 5.8 and oem stabilizer just to keep things simple and maybe 10km range. 4S li ion of course
Haha, brave man! 10kms with the stock stabilizer!!! I wouldn't send this further than 1km without an autopilot capable of RTH! 4S LiIon is a must! :D
well I guess RTH have become much more reliable then. I remember a friend years ago would fly 30km out and back - no autopilot, not even an OSD. Myself I just like to have a home arrow on OSD and wing leveller beyond 3km. But I have a microVector I could put on here I guess (and I have two omnibus FC w ublox GPS to try with inav)
Indeed they have! I can't imagine doing 30km out without an AP or an OSD, and thinking I will be able to return it :D
nice video, what do you use from lipo 3s ou 4s?
4S right from the get go! :)
I need to fire another question your way..hope you dont mind... i bought the nano Talon, great plane, i have ordered an Eashine TX02 camera/vtx and plan to mount this on the Talon, i have a 7" monitor with 5.8 boscam but dont know what antennae to use on the boscam to get best reception, last time i tried one of these i struggled to get more than 20m range on fpv
Hmm... 20m is too short! There must have been some issue! Make sure the antenna connector is a match to the connector on the Vtx and Vrx! I would suggest to go for circular polarization! I think the cam you got actually comes with a CP antenna anyway!
I can't believe you haven't got a Mini Talon. I'm not sure where you heard about the tip stalling but honestly I've never tip stalled the thing and it flies beautifully. Very efficient but has a speedy cruise. Seriously, try it. It's so cheap in price too that if you don't like it you aren't out much money but I know you'll love it. Seriously.... :) ps I like your reviews....
+1 for this. Hands down the best FPV platform I've flown so far. Been flying mine for 2 years now.
Not sure, I saw a few videos and read in the thread on RCGroups that the plane has some bad tendencies to tip stall every now and then... so I gave it to a friend! He has it setup just a tad tail heavy on purpose, and he does experience the occasional tip stall... but in any case... got too many planes waiting to be built, so really wouldn't be able to fit in a Mini Talon... or even have enough time to fly it! :)
The Mini Talon is a bit picky about its C of G....careless placement of your Lipo is enough for the unwary to get it Tail heavy....Yeah, Im amazed you dont have a Mini Talon, it can carry an 8 amp 4S you know.
I know, a friend of mine still flies the one I had, but it has seen so much beating, that he might be moving stuff over to a new body! :) Sadly I don't have the time for one of these right now, got so many new planes to fly and review! :)
That's great quality flight video! What camera is being used to capture that? I have a recently purchased Sony FDR-AX53. It's a decent camera but is MISERABLE for capturing flight in bright sunlight. The LED screen gets washed out, but I expected that. However, the EVF is also a huge disappointment because the screen is only .25-inches. That is far too small to accurately follow a flying RC airplane while trying to zoom and stay in focus. How is your rig for RC flights in the sun?
Hi, thanks. It was shot using a DJI Mavic.
Hello, hello, hello. Nice video :) I like the plane :D
That battery life !!! and 9:40 Pretty close :)
Techdragonz lol, i switched accounts while refreshing...
Hahaha, yeah, flight efficiency is pretty darn impressive! The chase was a bit odd for me because it was with a friend's Mavic, and it was the first time I flew one of those. It flies and feels very differently from the Phantom 3 Pro I have! I think I definitely prefer my Phantom in terms of control and image quality.
So the EachineTX801 has filtering? You can power it straight from the flight battery, and then power the Foxeer Arrow from the VTX and get that kind of image clarity?
Actually the camera is also powered directly from the battery, not through the Vtx. :)
just got mine last week am putting omnibus f4 in it and using i-nav just noticed today bangood are now selling a basic version so you can build to your own specification
True, but consider how much stuff you get for the 27 USD difference in the price between the KIT and the PNP! :)
The mini talon is one of the most legendary fpv planes ever made..
True, I have yet to see a plane that can go a km with less mAh than it can... BUT... it does like to stall... and doesn't take much to get it to do it... and ever since the Raptor V2, I am really wary of planes that like to stall as easy! :)
ArxangelRC raptor is also an amazing plane, but I have seen one go in for that reason too
Oh... plenty of that on my channel if you go back far enough! :)
I tried identifying your OSD but could not. Where do you get the voltage readings and battery cell number from ? I could saw that you do wrap power wires (and maybe both power and signal wires together). Does that help reducing noise on the video signal ? Thanks
That is the camera's OSD: goo.gl/fK2zfu
It also has a voltage sensor, so it shows the battery voltage as well! The wires come pre-twisted, but it is a good idea to do so anyway - all of them at once, reduces incoming interference a bit, if there is any.
Just noticed the lady pushing a pram at 7:51 - were you doing target practise there? ;-)
Hahaha, kind of... this is the wife with the baby... I was doing low passes to get the baby's attention with the sound of the plane! :D
Thanks for the review... nicely done.
Zohd makes good aircraft. I was torn between this and the orbit. After watching Andrew Newton review, I bought Orbit instead. My budget didn't allow for both at the same time. :p During the maiden flight, i crashed into trees 3 times. I thought it would be dented here and there and wings and nose would come off. Surprisingly it was all OK. No dents, the wings and nose were intact. I was surprised that it is durable enough, unlike my 3-year old glider which had to be fixed here and there after only the first flight. Another surprise is that looking at all those who fly RC planes, not many people like flying wings. Many would prefer traditional looking planes and gliders.... You, Andrew and others... :)
I don't like how flying wings fly... other than that... I am not a fan of how they launch either... especially when they get heavy! :) I am glad you are liking your Orbit wing... ZOHD are certainly on to something! Waiting for the Dart right now... we will see how that would be.
What happened when they got heavy? I'm anxious to know 'coz i'll be adding more stuff on it someday...
Well... larger wings especially tend to be a pain in the A** to launch when they get heavy, and if you will be loading something up for long range, this will be inevitable! I've seen a fair share of them crashed on take off...
I see. Thanks for the info. I bought the wrong plane then... :D
Anyway, I see my fellow countryman 3DXL set up Zeta Z-84 for such long flight UAV like this one czcams.com/video/FixCfhCyO4c/video.html. So I thought this would be a good base. Oh well...
Don't despair! The Orbit could be quite capable, every wing is different! I do prefer sub 1m wings for sure, as you can't really load them up too much, and even if they get heavy, a smaller wing is easier to throw because you can easily hold it with one hand! :) Fly it and see what it can do, it might be just what you needed! :)
Great review.I have ordered one (kit) for my brother and I am going to put inav.Any tips for the build?I have a 3s 2200mah/25c lipo (175g),will it be ok for the cg?
Thanks! Yes, this battery should be OK in terms of weight so you can get the plane balanced, but I would seriously advise going with a 4S one... if possible, at least with the PNP version! Now... since you will be getting the KIT, I assume you will be installing some 2400Kv regular racing quad motor... so 3S should give you some good thrust. The stock motor that comes with the PNP is around 1900Kv... hence why I suggest going with 4S on it! :)
ArxangelRC thanx,You are right I will put a 2400kv motor and a 6040 bullnose prop hope it can fly 15-20 min.
Actually if you have a non-bullnose prop, that would be better! The bullnose props have a lot of grip, but they also put an extra load on the motor... which may be justified on a racing copter, where you need grip in the air... but this plane doesn't really need this, so a more efficient prop profile would be better suited!
Hi mate, great video. I’m actually looking at a small platform to build a semi long range fpv system on. What would you think about an eagletree vector mini in this plane?
Thanks! :)
Not sure how big the Vector is... but it should work nonetheless! Personally I would got for a much lighter AP system - Omnibus F3 Pro with iNav.
ArxangelRC they have a new micro version. Only 13 grams apparently. Specifically designed for small planes and quads. Have a look
www.eagletreesystems.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=153
NICE! Go for it then, should be fine! :)
especially like the drone follow footage...Mavik?
Thanks! Yes, this time I used a friend's Mavic... not a fan of that model though! Flies weird! :)
Have one of these myself. I'm replacing the sevos and putting inav and an l9r in it atm. Super interested to see how you're going to outfit it for long range.
Not sure about replacing the servos at this point, but iNav and L9R are in its future, right after I test the max range of the XM+ receiver on it! :)
Delighted to hear it! Always interesting to see how people set up their planes in terms of layout and wiring
Should be rather simple here... and clean! :)
Hi again haha, what is the default battery / lipo connector of the nano talon? XT60 or B1?
I think it was an XT60... certainly not that B1 thing...
Tq
You are welcome! :)
I have one, there are some problems you might need to address to improve reliability. The ESC bec is not good for 4S. Servos are not very good, I replaced with MG. My wings have detached mid flight and was not able to control it so crashed, use some wooden coffee stirrers or something to make sure the clips do not unclip ;-)
Oh, nice tip about the wings coming apart, will surely deal with this ASAP! As for the ESC and servos... will look into replacing the servos, but the ESC will get replaced when I put in the AP, which hopefully should happen later this week or earlier next week! :)
You're going to have to tighten those linkages up if you want to have any chance of getting a smooth flight with an autopilot. Even at that it's probably still going to bounce a little bit.
Yeah, will go over all of them and see how things can be improved... as a last resort I may do the fins mod... :) Thanks for the tip.
WoW what a great flying site you have, where is it please.
Slakovtsi, Bulgaria! :)
How were you filming the chase video at the end?
I used a friend's Mavic to chase the plane! :)
What is the range max with the V8R7-II?
I don't think I've been out more than 500-600 meters with that setup, seemed to be holding well even though the antennas were not placed in the best possible way!
Yeah, tempting to just glue those linkages and the wings on and remove all the slop. The price of this plane is too high because the serious FPV folk dont want or need the crummy flight Stab or even the servos or ESC...Pretty sure they could sell more if they offered a basic kit at a more reasonable price point. It's a nicely engineered little model, that flies well.
iNAV is an obvious FC for it, small and light with an F4 board. Don't really need the amp counter TBH.
I wish we had weather like yours, ours is crap.
Worry not my friend, the weather is now crap here as well! Hahaha
As for the plane, a KIT version is now available: goo.gl/VypcZf but I would still go for the PNP version, because for that 27 USD difference you get quite a lot of stuff - motor, stabilizer, servos, ESC. On a plane this size all of these could last quite a while to be honest, especially at that amp draw! On the topic of FCs... for plane use the F3 controllers are more than enough, and as far as I've been told, the Omnibus F4 clone for instance has some serious defects in manufacturing, and then some issues with working... so I am happy I went with the F3 version.
Oh, ok...Im using my 3rd Omnibus F4 V1 board now, they all work perfect with iNAV, totally sold on iNAV and the F4..
Sounds good, I am happy you don't have any issues with them!
Since you use them so much, I have a question - how are the planes behaving in Angle mode?
I am asking because I recently flew my Believer plane with the F3 Pro running iNav, and in Angle mode when I do a long 180 degree turn using ailerons and rudder, when I let go of the sticks it would keep turning, and I actually have to push the sticks a good amount the other way to stop it from turning and for it to level out properly! Not sure this is normal, so just curious how yours fly?
Using the Omnibus F4 and iNAV....I dont use Angle Mode at all, it's pointless, it's a Mini Quad Mode!!!!..I use Manual / Horizon / Altitude Hold / RTL Modes only. Horizon Mode is the most useful as even with the gains quite high, it still allows full override without that mushy feeling, so Angle Mode is of no use at all.
Bank angle max I set to 45 degs / Max Climb angle I set to 20 degrees / Max dive angle restricted to just 5 degrees, (no point losing height too fast on a RTL scenario)...My F4 boards are not clones, you also need to start using M8N class GPS receivers, it makes a big difference on the 3D fix. You dont need or want a Baro with iNAV.disable it.
ArxangelRC I think that’s aerodynamics different rules apply above what’s in motion stays in motion that’s how an actual plane handles if you bank in to turn you will keep turning for a long time and dropping ever so slightly until you hit the ground or stall(that is if you don’t return to level)
How to calculate CG position? Is it same like front motor drive to find CG?
Doesn't matter where the motor is located, CG is about 1/3rd from the leading edge on the wing!
could you tell me which transmitter should i get since it doesn't come with it but can i use the Flysky FS-i6X
Yes, any radio system would do, just need to have PWM outputs on the receiver, if not planning on using an autopilot!
Hello,
I have really enjoyed your video, I order my nano talon as soon as I finished watching your video.
Thanks for the nice reviewed of the plane
I only have a question and it is basically about the battery, I heard on the video about the lithium ion battery, and I would really like to order one of those batteries, could you please tell me what lithium ion battery will be supported by the esc on the nano talon
I really enjoy long flights, and if that battery help me to get long time on the air would be greatly appreciated.
Thank in advance for your help....,,,
JP
Well, a 4S 1500mAh LiPo pack would get you 1 hour of flight, I am planning to build my own LiIon battery for this plane, but it does require some specific LiIon cells with high capacity and high discharge, as this plane is small and would not be able to carry more than 4S1P LiIon configuration! :)
This are the cells I am going to use: eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/18650-size/sony-us18650vtc6.html
Thanks for your quick answer, I was looking for Titan Lithium Ion Batteries and the smallest 4 cell they have
is this: 3.5Ah 14.8v 80W Endurance Brick Version
www.titanflight.com/collections/endurance/products/3-5ah-14-8v-80w-endurance-brick-version
do you think this is too much?, or it will be compatible with the nano Titan.
thanks again for the help.
This looks like it will be perfect for the Nano Talon... although height wise it might need some DIY to make it fit. I am planning on making mine flat!
if you loos the signal rf with the plane, does the plane comming back him self? Thank you!!!
Not in its stock configuration! You need an autopilot for that, check out my later videos of the plane where I installed one.
Do you recommend this for beginners?
Weeeell... not sure I would! A bit too twitchy for that! Would recommend a trainer style of plane for beginners!
What camera did you buy?
In the Nano Talon currently I have the Foxeer Arrow V3 if I am not mistaken! :) Links are in the description of the video.
i need step by step instructions to build my nano talon.....please help
i have a foxeer tm600 ,runcam split 2...i haven't a clue where to start...do i need to solder? someone please help
In the description of this video there is a link to my Blog... that is as close to step-by-step as I can give you right now! You would need to get power to that Vtx and camera from the battery... so some soldering, or at the very least crimping, might be needed, as well as some connectors! :)
Some are saying this drone isn't worth 200 dollars but I would get this one I didn't like what I seen in the micro nano but this one is a go getter. I like the fact that it has more flying time than the hubsans h502s and the parrot Bebop 2 but comes in cheaper as a plane than the quad. I wonder is styrofoam is as good as what the hubsans are using for their smaller h107c, I really like the flexible bezel its made of in the h107c. Maybe people think styrofoam isn't worth it. I think that hubsans uses some real hard plastic for the reason of hover break ability compared to some light drones with late lowering response. But guys and gals the parrot Bebop 2 is also styrofoam.
Actually the Nano Talon is around $100: www.banggood.com/ZOHD-Nano-Talon-860mm-Wingspan-AIO-HD-V-Tail-EPP-FPV-RC-Airplane-PNP-With-Gyro-p-1168297.html?CZcams&ArxangelRC&p=6L1818635832201406F2
The Talon GT is the one that is $200: goo.gl/Vu4KT8
Can I use 14.8 volt battery? Most 4s batteries have this Voltage
Yes, you can! :) Just add an external UBEC to power the electronics, because the one on the ESC is kinda weak!
Hi again, I recently bought a FS-i6X transmitter + Fs-X6B receiver
I want to use it on my Nano talon ( soon to arrived) but I dont know how to install the receiver to the talon.
Is the receiver iBUS only? Or does it also have PWM outputs?
ArxangelRC it does has PWM and I BUS. But since the default flight control of the nano is PWM, I plan to use PWM in the receiver as well. But in default setup, the flight control n receiver will have female-female connection. I need to connect the female- female connector, find a male-male connector/ pins mybe?
Yeah... Like standard servo cable or single pin cables, and you should be good. It is quite easy.
would a dxe transmitter connect to this plane?
You can connect any radio you wish, because this plane doesn't come with a receiver, you have to use your own. If you have a spare receiver for that radio, you can connect it to the stabilizer and it will work, but you would need at least 4 channels to make it work, preferably 5, so you can also switch between the stabilization modes.
Hey Man i like youre content, just subscribed you. i was thinking to get one of these. i will also call alex to do me a nice sanyo Ga cells pack. what you think is the best size for this Plane? 4s1p should be perfect, right?
Yes, 4S1P is what I would also do, BUT... the 10A discharge cells might be a tad weaker for this one, especially if you plant to climb fast for something! There are some Sony 3120mAh packs that are 30A discharge, and I think they would be better suited to 1P configurations like the one needed here! I have some of them and would make a pack out of 4 for the Nano Talon! :)
Yes youre right! But i think i try with sanyo ga. They are rated to 3c/4c Max. So 3.5A x3 is enough for a short climb. I will throw my gragonlink and 1.3ghz video on it for max longe range. I guess an inav with gps is also required. What flight times do you expect?
If i look to youre video it will at least do 90min with 3500mah?
Alright, sounds like a plan! Yes, I do believe a 3500mAh 4S might even last more than 90 mins.
Hey dude i was little bit searching the net an i have found this, www.imrbatteries.com/efan-20700-4300mah-battery/ these are the new 20700 standart it has 4300mah on 61.2g. and have 15A contiunius, max 30A. Maybe will do a pack with these the question is should i make a 3s1p or a 4s1p, im little bit concerned about the weight. im affraid with a 4s pack kill the efficience the pack will weight around 250g as a 3spack would be around 190g. What do you think? what setup would be best for mximising the flight time?
3S will be lighter, but will also provide less power and less thrust to the motor! I would still suggest 4S, but I also did suggest going with 18650, because the pack will be lighter! I am not sure if these cells are the real deal and would give true capacity, but this is not a new standard, these have been around for a while. The new stard is the 21... something cells that Tesla started making! :)
In effect... putting on higher capacity at the expense of added weight will do little if that weight causes the plane to draw more amps and thus consume the battery faster! Only difference would be the plane will be heavier and possibly would fly differently and not be as agile for instance!
What were you using to shoot the nano talon at the and of the video?
All of the aerial shots were from a friend's Mavic Pro, which I flew! :)
Thanks. Fantastic footage!
Thank you! :)
hello, what remote control is the best for this plane... especially for range.
Well... depends on what range you are looking for! And in what conditions!
Do 4s 2200 mah can handle the stock esc and motor
Stock ESC and motor will handle it... Should be OK weight wise as well!
Well well well
:)
It looks like this can be flown very slowly if one wants to, right?
Yes, I have flown it slowly for a little bit, and since it doesn't tip stall, it can be slowed down, especially if there is some headwind.
Brilliant! Cheers
Where do you have the cg
Right at the marks, but now I have it just a tad neutral-to-tail-heavy, and seems to fly a lot better that way!
Been holding off getting one of these ,but it does look good apart from the slop issue.Looking forward to seeing how it works out with iNav/Li-ion combo.
I hope to get the time to do the mod soon! :)
Hey Jake! That's my only issue with it too. It's a rocker but I do like mine.
Didn`t know you had a Nano?
I think I've got one of everything. LOL! I'm addicted! Help me! LOL!
Hahahaha... tell me about it!
It's compatible with 4s from the box?
Yes
Valeu 👍
You are a real advocate of this. Your very positive review (and others) inspired me to buy one but I have not yet flown it. On RCgroups the NT thread is having negative reviews. See below:
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Originally Posted by Too Many Toys
After a few flights now, I have to say sadly I'm not going to even bother with the NT anymore.
It's a horrid little thing. I've nick named it the " Demented Penguin "
I have a couple really experienced friends who have come to the same conclusion with this plane. Unfortunately, I got their impressions (along with yours) after I ordered mine. I'm such a huge fan of the mini talon that I thought it just made sense to try a slightly smaller package with a similar form factor....
I do (at least) have a couple ideas to try and address some of the most common complaints I've read about but I'm still Leary that maybe there were better choices out there ... Till I prove or disprove that, I've subscribed and appreciate all the many contributors here as I prepare my build and modifications!!”
What do you think they are experiencing?
Bill
I think either some hardware issue in the linkages of the plane, or wrong setup... most commonly CG placement! Not sure why this is happening... my NT has been flying VERY well... except for the slight rocking in windy weather, which a properly tuned autopilot should be able to counter a bit!
....still waiting on youre inav rebuild with li-ions. 🤗
So am I! Have a few other things to get out of the way, but it will happen very soon! :)
ArxangelRC im so exiting to so it! 🖒👌
*too see it! Sorry
Hi, I also tried to install the kopilot on the nano talon evo, but in the acro position everything works fine, in the stabilized position the elevator compensates on the contrary. I tried to rotate the wheel on the kopilot to the opposite side but this puts both the elevator and the rudder in the wrong position. Some advice?
Greetings and congratulations for your videos, Aldo Guarasci
Hmmmm, been quite a while now since I've dealt with this one... so can't say that I recall exactly what had to be done... do the commands from the radio work correctly, or are they reversed as well?
The radio controls work perfectly.
Everything seems to work fine if, on kopilot, I reverse the rudder cable with the elevator cable, but this does not reflect what is indicated in the manual.
Greetings, Aldo
@@aldoguarasci9338 Could it be the kopilot is set to a different type of plane configuration from the one you have?
I have a Zohd nano talon and I checked that the kopilot setting was for v-tail. I have tried the other configurations as well though. However, exchanging the rudder and elevator cables, everything seems to work well (on the ground), both for radio commands and for stabilized compensations. I'll try it in flight and .... let's hope so.
Thank you for the attention you paid me,
Greetings, Aldo
@@aldoguarasci9338 Well, if exchanging them works out... keep them exchanged and try it! Don't see why it wouldn't work right in the air if it stabilizes correct on the ground.
Great plane, but I was disappointed that the PPM on the stabilizer does not work properly. The throttle channel will not work in PPM mode.
Haven't tried it to be honest! Using the PWM inputs works well! :)
Is this easy to fly and begginer friendly? Would you recommend this for long range (with autopilot)?
Hmmmm... not the friendliest beginner model... but perhaps with some time on a simulator you might get the hang of it! As for the rest of your question... I hope this will answer it: czcams.com/video/6Iy69U-oI24/video.html
ArxangelRC Thanks for the quick reply! I will check it out! Would you can this plane easy to fly but not a trainer?
It does fly well indeed... the stock stabilizer in the PNP version does make it easy to keep it level at first... but it can be a quick one...
ArxangelRC I watched the linked video but I didn't get a conclusive answer. Would this be a good plane for fpv and autopilot (e.g. pixhawk)? Great videos by the way.
Thank you! Yes, from the small planes the Nano Talon has perhaps the largest space for such gear, but definitely not the full sized Pixhawk! Omnibus F4 Pro board running ArduPlane would be ideal, and a Matek PDB along with it! Keep in mind that the plane does like to shake quite a bit on the roll axis, especially on windy and turbulent days, but it does cam down when you go higher, where the winds a laminar.
Nice review and very good plane!
I belive the instability is just a matter of short wing span, it will shake with the moving air, maybe it needs an F4 like accelerometers and super fast micro servos to keep it quiet...
An F3 should be plenty fast for a plane. I will look into the reason for the shaking... but turbulent air and a low weight would definitely increase that behaviour!
I am scared to go in manual mode with mine, coz some people told me it is a bitch to fly like that, and prone to stall and spins. I never used fly-by-wire before this model in my whole life, always did things with nothing between my fingers and the servos, except for a radio carrier wave. Did you try it with the controller switched off?
Wouldn't say its a bitch... and as long as it is balanced properly and has some speed, it will not tip stall. Personally, I always fly all new planes in manual mode first... it is an important skill for sure!
Is that modell a bloody beginner plane in that configuration?
Yup, the PNP version with the flight stabilizer would be perfect for beginners.
so, you think this is a good beginner fvp plane?
Looks very much like it with the reported good stall characteristics and the integrated stabilizer.
okay, i think this wil be my first setup, tnx for the replay and awesome videos :-)
Yeah, absolutely I think it is good for beginners, just make sure you have at least 5 PWM channels on your receiver. :)
Yes i wil get a complete rtf kit
Doesn't come RTF sadly, no radio option, but the PNP is good enough! I am curious what the FPV version would be like when it finally comes out! :)
I've been flying this one for a few weeks. I changed up the ESC because I didn't trust that tiny little thing that it ships with. I struggle with it a bit as a long range bird because it just can't handle much weight. I did find that the factory CG is incorrect -- it should be 5 mm back at least. Mine needed a fair amount of mechanical uptrim to fly well with a 1500 4s. All in all it's a great value.
Hmmmm... will have to see if mine has any up trim, but it flew well at the stock CG points... may play around with that to see if I can get better performance out of it. The tiny ESC is not a problem, quad racers have been flying with those for a while now and they seem to be tough enough, although I will replace mine with a Cicada... just because I have some and trust them a bit more than the Flycolor. On 4S the motor draws less than 13 amps, so the ESC should be OK.
ArxangelRC I'll be picking up the Nano Goblin so that will be competing with this for flight time.
The Goblin looks nice... would be interesting to see a comparison, but it is more wing like... not my first choice! :)
4s??
Absolutely!
Is this for beginners?
Ammmm... could work... but not the best choice! :)
@@ArxangelRC i have race quad experience
So got everyrhing exept the plane
Well... if you can do some flights on a sim on the PC... you should be fine! :)
This the plane i just flied
Rather the 0ne ?
The cessna 900mm
Fms f14 super h0rnet
All this 2 crash like trash in learning h0w t0 fly
All without breathing in.
Haha, yeah, my lungs are huge! ;)
Just joking! I edit the breathing out as I really hate how it sounds on video!
Great review by the way
Thanks! :)
I will get one of those, especially for FPV
Sounds good, that is what this plane was designed for! :)
...what was that lady doing with a baby stroller on the runway?
This is my wife with our newborn baby! They were accompanying me this day! :)
Hello. Honestly I'm quite far to be agree with your enthusiasm about. My experience on first flights with, is really bad.
Ok, must confirm all the pros of this little jewel: transportability, aspect, efficency (my be) but the worst cons , poor staff end factory material, compromise the rest IMHO.
First of all i suggest to change the servos....
An rc AIRPLANE , any RC AIRPLANE , that doesn't stands out the flight simplicity on maiden, means maybe something isn't in poroper way.
As you mentioned in your video the lightness of the material associated to the approximate of the servo aileron and V-Tail command, make this little tiny plane, impossible to fly tranquil in light windy condition, wich is generally a constant in all over the world . Quite different, for example, from a WING WING, that could be rock solid in the air even with tiphoon.
I need to place some thootpick on each aileron to reinforce hardner of hinge command , plus one round paper tape on the carbon square, to reduce the slot in wing section contact. With this solution, i only reduce the problem, without eliminating it.
I thought installing INAV defenitely, would flight decent, but unfortunately isn't so.
Every attempt to do an autotune , which should be the first easy way to PID it, is absoulutely inadvisable. Any session of auto learn procdure to get the essential PIFF value, result in a compromise goal due the inaccurate aileron zero reset, even with different servos. Than you only can loose time doing a manual pidding , wich is absolutely annoing fact....
This is the last update comment i can do about, but other will follow.
Reason of my anger is just beacause it's very expansive to get it from China , and even beacause i need to pay Custom tax . Final result is that i still have to get a satisfactional flight by an overrated model, while many others are much more cheaper and ready to fly good in few steps (S800, WING WING etc.etc)
I'll be Pleased to see any your update too
By Gian
I understand you don't like the slop in the control surfaces... but couldn't understand what else you don't like about the Nano Talon! I plan to investigate this issue and to try and find a way to improve its performance in the air after installing an AP!
Will have lots more updates on this plane because I do plan to do a few mods and to send it far... so there will be more videos for sure!
Exactly!
I don't like any model which you need mods, to improve its beahvior, or worst, just to fly decently, simply!
Anyway, news of the day, i finally reach the right compromise with this little bad boy.
I flew on today for more than 30 km , and now seems good , after deep and noisy mods.
My opinion is surely conditioned by the fact my lasts fpv models was all good ones, without any big known issue: SW, Cloud Surfer, bixler2, Arcus sport, Raptor 2mt, 2 Mini talon, Wing Wing, Fx61, S800 etc. No one of this, a part the Raptor, I spent a second to adjust or think to do, any action to improve or make all better. They all flew very good at once...
May be I forgot sometime could happen even different....
In any case, tk a lot for your answer and remeber I' m always following your channel
Bye, Gian
Haha, thank you Gian! Appreciate the support!
Actually I am quite used to making some mods to even assemble a plane, but yes, quite a few of them fly well after that! In any case I don't mind modding a bit to get the results I want out of this small and compact plane, as there really is no alternative for the moment! :) Anyway... this is a hobby and we need something to do so it doesn't get boring, right? :D
Awesome review, as always! I just didn't quite understand why you didn't like the mini talon? It does not tipstall if it is set up correctly with the CG at 55mm from LE. Imo the Mini Talon is one of the best fpv planes ever made..
And what a coincidence, I received my ZOHD nano talon today. The weather is crap though, so not maidening it soon :(
Thanks man, what does LE mean? My talon just arrived and was wondering if the labled cg was correct!
I actually sold my Mini Talon to a friend, and he has done some pretty amazing feats with it, I am not saying it is a bad plane.. it is quite impressive actually in terms of efficiency, but no matter how he sets it up... it just waits for the right moment and stalls without hesitation!
Well, I've been flying my Mini Talon for a year and a half now - over 100 flights. The only time I had a tipstall was when it was too tail heavy. If it is set up the right way you can't get it to tipstall - it becomes mushy but doesn't tipstall. There has to be something really wrong if it behaves like that.
The Mini Skyhunter was really bad in this respect - it really was tipstalling badly, and I hated that plane.. till the tipstall killed it once, taking some stuff with it.
I think you should revisit the Mini Talon, you'll love it!
Hahaha, alright, I will pass on your suggestions to my friend, but sadly I an finding it difficult to find the time for all of the planes I have now... certainly can't spare any for a Talon right now! :)
I know that feeling, bro! I have like 5 unbuilt planes at the moment... :)
I am afraid that shaking is problem of plane, not stabilizer, other reviewers also mentioned it. Check for example this video: czcams.com/video/rKH1jGAM6fA/video.html
Yup... might seem that way. Will have to find a way to sort it out! :)
Than Mini talron small but funnier Talron!
Haha, it certainly is fun! A lot more agile too.
My nano talon didn't come with the electronics
So you bought a KIT?
hmmmmmmmmmm! lol
Indeed! :)
Wow. You never tested Mini Talon but sold it because you heard somewhere that it tip stalls. That`s really not like you. I owned few of them and they are just awesome, and most of flyers thinks the same, efficient fast cruiser. But hey ho maybe next time you hear something else don't believe it. Just disappointed little bit in you.
Yes, but I have seen it stall first hand! A friend of mine had one and he had it outfitted for long range... and I've personally seen it tip stall some 20kms away... not a pleasant experience! At that moment I decided that I wouldn't be building this one!
@@ArxangelRC Probably he had bad CG. Because in manual is 70mm but it should be at 55mm. I only managed to tip stall at wrong launch. Anything more then 10% up and stalls.
@@ArxangelRC Just small heads up for you. czcams.com/video/oI3lHoH-4B8/video.html
can't be certain about that... but it was an issue to throw it in the air... and landing had to be at speed... or it would tip stall!
@@ArxangelRC Yes that is true. Because it's a fast cruiser. It flys at 60km/h at around 6A. You can do very fast big distances.
So modern modelers are incapable to build even the shitiest model made of foam! Congrats.
I don't get that comment...!!! Modern modellers do quite a lot... and since the hobby is growing, it needs models that are easy to use, so it can draw people in. Once they are in, they do tend to get more experienced and start looking into more serious stuff and move on to building and equipping on their own! Almost ready and built models like this one are needed to popularise the hobby! No wonder this hobby was only reserved for the skilled before... building a plane required a lot of time and knowledge, and tools!
Exactly...The hobby should not be for those with TIME and MONEY. It's available to lots more people now. Including those who wish to use their time and money on flight, fav or rvav resources...things that Guardian Observer can't understand.
Amazing he doesn't trip with his nose so high in the air.
Haha, well... everybody has an opinion... some just need to get up to date! :)
You tells a lot of interesting things but it is very hard to hear your voice, You speaks like a computer voice.
Hmmm... I thought I was speaking plainly... not sure what to tell you...
hello, just another junk rc wast of money!
Hmmm... why would you say so? The model is pretty good!
Steve Davis what would you recommend sir?