John Kerry, Joe Biden, Mitt Romney and Pelosi all had sons who received money from Ukrainian gas companies. And no one will report on this fact. Joe Biden is treating this Russia/Ukraine problem like it's crackhead son, and hoping throwing money at it to make it go away... just ignore his corruption.. that'll fix it. It's gonna collapse the Dollar if he starts a two front war. And I'm not gonna fight that war for these people. Y'all deserve each other. I hope our politicians like the idea of working in a CCP cobalt mine, cuz your war fighters are done protecting you while you indoctrinate our kids into hating us.
ever since Krystal openly called for the government to enforce mandates by people losing their jobs or being fined I'm done with her....wish joe would call her out for that because Saagar sure didn't.
I am a Ukrainian in America, grew up in the US, born and raised in Ukraine till I was 5. Although it does hurt to some extent to hear literally anything negative about Ukraine at this point, it's also important to realize that this is a subjective and fleeting feeling and that if we don't look at reality objectively -- talk about the negatives being swept under the rug by mainstream/the gov. as they're doing here -- that is the key way to build trust with the average person and have real healthy discussion/debate and progress. So thank you Joe and thank you Krystal & Saagar. And may wokeism die as swift a death as possible through nonviolent means
Dude they are talking about selling your country to Putin. Their arguments are 'we should have a discussion' as if congress doesn't exist or 'our interests matter more than Ukrainians' which is incredibly short sighted and naive.
Russia is still fucked up. Idk whats the point of finding flaws with our own team when the enemy doesnt give a fuck abd will continue to do what it needs to win...
Ukrainian president sold nuclear weapons and Black Sea navy to Russia because money)))) All those people are fucking crooks. They have dismantlled USSR just so they could rule their little piece of land as kings. Kazakhstan and Belarus also gave up nukes for no real reason.
How about instead of putting the stupid “we got our covid shot” we put a no Ukraine sign over part of our profiles on Facebook… use social Media to build army against
Remember when Krystal and Sagaar said the laptop was russian disinformation? Still haven’t heard them cover Hunters / Brandons ties to Burisma and Ukraine but I’m sure they’re totally unbiased 😂
Hey, even if they are bought agents, that means that there's a move to deescalate and bring Ukraine and Russia to the piece negotiations. But it's not a done deal, USA has control over Zelensky, but almost no control on Putin, moreover they keep isolating Russia and pigeon-holing them closer to China in opposition to USA and Europe. It may be really hard to get Russia to negotiate, since they won't trust anyone anymore (after Minsk agreements sham, after Nord Stream bombing, etc.)
@@person6171 More than 100,000 people died and over half the population (2+ million people) were forced to flee their homes. But sure, not as bad. When does it get "bad"?
It's almost like people don't equate Balkans to Europe since it's the poor black-sheep region in the family no one likes to talk about or invite to the dinner party
Damn she’s saying that some Ukrainian officials did what the people in our government, and basically every corporation that is contracted by the government, does regularly? Shocker
Yeah but it is a different level of scummy to fleece ur own people during a struggle of existence. There are also interviews with guys being over there telling how the ukrainian troops stationed with them robbed their gear & weapons to sell it...
@@2funny269 to their quartermaster or the black market that is present in most central hubs/troop locations, my guess is those transport it back and resell it to the govt (maybe even to russians) by stripping the more expensive parts like optics to sell those separatly, i doubt the soldiers get much cash for turning in "found" gear, they probably get booze, cigarettes, chicks or other stuff as barter, at least this is my experience seeing it live during the conflicts in the 90s as an eastern european. Crazy things happen when people with even mild addictions to booze, tobacco, grass or other "luxury" items are in harsh conditions for a long time under huge stress and they crave that stuff for relaxation more than ever.
Breaking Points had a pretty strong start but they went off the rails about 6 to 7 months ago in the run up into the mid terms. It's just been a cringe fest ever since and they are more like the mainstream they pretend to rail against than ever.
I think for the type of reporting they do (they don’t have the resources to do any sort of investigative journalism) it’s just easier to be ignorant of the full picture.
@@EddyP596heck out No Agenda Podcast if you want to know the truth about anything. They take advantage of an extensive international audience that has members with first hand info on many topics. Joe had Adam Curry (one of the hosts) on a week ago and praised him for always being about 11 months ahead of the msm. Not everyone has the resources to do good investigative journalism, but if you have a large, intelligent audience with the right connections, you can do some amazing things.
@@tired5 Jimmy Dore is nothing, but an opportunist. He's a lowlife grifter and not a very good one, I might add. He believes in nothing, but increasing his bank account.
The big takeaway is we can't have civil discussions. We have incredibly complicated and nuanced topics absolutely worth discussing in detail but instead of a sophisticated debate, it's dumbed down to black vs white, or red vs blue. We either support one thing or we are evil and support x, y, and z. We do this with just about everything related to societal issues. Too many assumptions, too little tolerance. It's only exasperated by the fact that we try to have these discussions using 150 characters or less. I think we can do better. It leaves me wondering if it's all by design or if our own inadequacies are getting the best of us.
It’s a little too obvious it is all by design isn’t it? We had a Chinese “spy balloon” go clear across our country today and THEN we shot it down? Come on!🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Brother, if one side says the earth is flat and the other side that its round, pray tell, what is the civil discussion to be had? Where's the middle ground with "but NASA is faking photos to make it look round"? K&S are so full of shit on this point. There is no other way to describe it. They talk about Zelenskyy firing corrupt offcials...but for some reason fail to mention that the US Treasury has been keeping an eye on the money sent there and found that those funds arent misused. The Pentagon has failed FIVE audits since the 90s, in amounts that go in the trillions- and now we're going to pearl clutch? Russia postured on nuclear weapons thinking it will scare people from helping, only to have their news agency Taas that Russia reafirms not to use nuclear weapons when they saw that people arent deterred. Do K&S have that in their "discussion"? They act like morons that dont comprehend how shifting circumstances required different approaches. Oh Biden said that he wont send tanks *at that time*. And now he is sending it after Russian mobilization?! (and only 40 of them). Oh the depravity! Oh, and what Saagar said about nuclear policy? Totally wrong. December 12th, 2022, Peskov affirsm that currently nuclear policy will NOT change. If they want a civil discussion, they should have a discussion, first and foremost. Not chasing click simply because the anti war sentiment looks for validation that does not exist.
"We" i dunno about that 100% this is the way things are being taught today thats forsure....This is why so many have issues within our country at the moment.. Good points though
Smoke and mirrors if our Government and media didn't pound all this unimportant vainity and rediculas violent idealism until we reach the stage of TODAY....We might actually be aware of the Evil doing and greed within our politics
"Are we setting ourselves up for world war 3 right now?" My biggest worry is that since everybody has nukes now, that this makes an actual direct military engagement between America and China or Russia, far more likely. The idea being that they would never actually use nukes unless it was an absolute last resort to prevent a full blown toppling of their regimes... I am just saying my biggest fear is the reality that we no longer live in a world where "total and complete surrender" is still a thing, and what that ultimately means is that our leaders might actually come to a very dangerous understanding about the future of war, where they will try to settle their disputes by trying to demoralize the other's country into defeating itself. Essentially world war 3 will be a long dragged out war of skirmishes and ceasefires, as each side tries to prove their military might, with the ultimate victor being decided by who can keep their military's morality high enough to stay engaged in the fight... We are entering pretty scary times in my view, where we can easily see the draft return because who in this country would volunteer to join the army if Chinese spies are sending tiktok videos to teenagers showing how they turned our army into hamburger during the last skirmish they fought because our leaders couldn't agree with their's about the sovereignty of a little tiny island halfway across the world? "Welcome to the human race." -Snake Plissken
This is why the answer should universally always be no when it comes to "foreign aid" bc no matter how much they sell and propagandize the merits of what happens if we don't, the end result is always the same. The money goes to the top and helps consolidate and strengthen the corruption off the backs of well to do citizens. These ideological games end in the same way
"WAR is a RACKET. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." - Two time Medal of Honor recipient USMC Major General Smedley Butler (1935)
@@odochartaighofodonegal2351 Every time I think about watching his stuff again, I just see more antivax shit or pro Russia segments. But no, Jimmy is still totally a leftist and not pandering to the anti-establishment Right.
@@moon_wizard1250 Regardless of who Dore is 'pandering to', the dude does his F-ing due diligence (research) and is most always over the target- whether that jives with you is your gig. ✌
@@za-ir5ni SO because I brought up the name Jimmy I must be a Jimmy Dore Fan and braindead ? lol Please show me on this doll where exactly Jimmy touched you............
It’s concerning that seeing random strangers validate your opinions brings you joy. You’re just trying to fit in when you should be challenging your own beliefs
@@Bhubnipz that’s concerning? That they need to feel accepted in their own beliefs and justify them based on others. I’ll agree you shouldn’t need that, but I would be more concerned about your own self than someone making a comment that 95% of humans do.
He likes to be the middle of the road cool guy, no mention of the dozens of episodes Spotify deleted, whoops, oh well, that's what cool guys just have to deal with
Rogan believes almost anyone in front of him at the time. He almost never pushes back. He's a dumb person who talks to smart people. I think he thinks that makes him smart.
@@killdizzle I’m certainly not taking up for Rogan, but most of us do this very thing. We choose the people that are telling us what we want to hear. That’s why most of these people have successful shows.
The fact that Kuck-linski and Krystal went along with the smear shows the kind of progressives they are. All you had to do was ask simple questions like who? What? When? Where? And watch Anna and Cenk melt down along with their "story"
Do they hate Jimmy Dore or something? I dont watch these 2 anymore, I'm surprised they're making some sense right now...actually, Joe is on the ball for once! Taking shit serious! Hes waking up
For people claiming to be asking the “tough” questions, it seems incredible that they completely ignore the historical precedent of proxy wars between Russia and the US. Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan all were proxy wars.
All the Ukraine is to the US government is a big aircraft carrier in an extremely lucrative location. They don't care at all about freedom or the people of Ukraine.
And ‘total lack of an ability to have dissent and debate’ - the fck is she even talking about, we have that debate every day and it informs all the choices of weapons, how big involvement should be, what lines of communication need to be kept open.. what is she even SAYING???
My son in law just went to Poland for the us army. He is being charged for meals! How? He is serving our country, living in a tent, and being charged for meals. That’s wrong for all the men and women who are there. Who’s in charge of that decision? Anyone know who I can talk to?
I dont have a clue who these are, but they were using financial figures that clearly had not included any kind of inflation they said more money than they gave to the Afghan military, well like us in the UK they had boots and equipment there, not really a comparison, secondly the Vietnam war ( also troops and equipment) that was nearly half a century ago so what would those figures look like with genuine inflation added too them , I also expect like with the UK Second world war that money and aid was paid back to the USA with interest over a period like we finished paying it in 2006 Now we have the Batman and Robin part, i worked in a plumbers merchant in London from 1998 to 2011, i met a lot of Ukrainian plumbers and builders who were here due to joining the common market (freedom of movement) cracking guys who would all openly talk about fighting Russian incursions and there open dislike for the Russian state. Not sure what is happening here Joe Rogan usually has a mush better bullshit detector than this.
Yes and ask him how much he's being paid to parrot Russian propaganda. He keeps having this Scott Ritter guy who basically has been wrong about everything and wants Ukraine to give up its territories to appease the Russians. Hilarious 😂
@@dimzoll3669 well, I was born in Bryansk, Russia, right on the Ukraine border. I have access to Russian state owned media and can read the Kremlin Propaganda online without needing someone else to rehash to me English those same Kremlin talking points. At the end of the day the Russian propaganda is weak. It relies on heavy cognitive dissonance and holding Ukraine to a standard Russia doesn't hold it self to at all. How does denazification of Ukraine equal annexing parts of it? How does annexation solve the issue of NATO on the Russian border when Russian already has 4 NATO members on its border with Finland likely joining soon?
@@ren2871 I was born in a city too. Think about it, can you see other countries building up their military and radicalising their population against another? Is not Finland. That's why Russia want to eliminate the threat. Hope you get it now.👍 It is pretty clear without taking a side here.
Abraham Lincoln said you can’t fool everyone all the time. You and me both. The people of the Donbas have been bombed by the Ukrainian army for the last 8 years
@don't be surprised Don't be surprised if I don't click the link. 😝 I've been trolled so many times that I no longer click links. However, I thought you username was a good GOTCHA name. 😂😂😂 Cheers 🥂
If only people stood back and listened to the arguments on both sides - before they started to throw mud - then a reasoned debate about this conflict could ensue.
@@gray327 so is it like an all or nothing thing for you bigots? Like do you have to hate Trans people and gay people, or can you pick which one you treat as subhuman?
I watched these guys since they were on the Hill. It started to get intolerable as soon as Ryan Grim job joined them. It was a good run, but these guys can’t hold a candle to Jimmy Dore and Kerp
Yea, she would run circles around Joe, anyone that knows who she is already knows what’s up. I would love to see her come on and get some info out there, but it would be a bunch of stuff she’s already said on other podcasts getting Joe caught up. But it would be great I agree.
Yes, it's because their audience is on CZcams which means they want to be spoon fed content they agree with. You can see it in these comments. This is why running any kind of news show on CZcams us bad. Once you disagree with your audience you kill you channel. It's called audience capture.
Krystal doesn't know history very well. Maybe she should do more research on why Russia invaded Ukraine. Rogan doesn't correct her either. Joe's podcast have become just talking points and agreeing.
She should also read about the Non-Proliferation Treaty and The Budapest Memorandum The US, Russia and UK conned Ukraine into signing in 1994. Under those agreements Ukraine gave all its nukes to Russia in exchange for a promise of protection of its borders against any outside incursion. How do you think Ukraine feels about giving up those nukes now?
Wait … those are just her feelings. I DO NOT agree with her at all. However it’s ok to listen and acknowledge what she feels should happen. She’s a great journalist - who happens to not see eye to eye with you. #itooktheredpill
How can you say climate change is a real thing but also that it's bad that we cant question the science. Until the science IS questioned, then climate change is theory, A theory, not fact.
Like Jackson Hinckle and Jimmy Dore have reported that they are on the take from military industrial complex. Funny that rogan mentions Jimmy and they say nothing lol.
The open Corruption of our politicians in Washington D.C. is 100% unacceptable! We need to start civilian oversite committees that overwatch our Lawmakers.
I'm sure your idea comes from a good place but it would never work. The civilian oversite committee would eventually be corrupted. The problem boils down to human nature and the need to make more money and have more power.
Crystal was like, 'we were supposed to give ONLY defensive weapons!' like WTF is defensive weapons. Tank can be used in both the defence and offence, artillery, rockets as well etc. etc.
Such a joke. This is what they do - they imply a feeling / claim they know the audience agrees with >> bring up elements of global conspiracy >>> they cite a fact (regardless of relevance) which makes it seem that the implied feeling/claim is legitimate and the audience obviously eats this up since they already agree
A tank is an armoured fighting vehicle intended as a primary offensive weapon in front-line ground combat. An anti-tank gun on the other hand is a defensive weapon. Just because you don’t know the difference between the two does not mean the person you are criticizing is wrong.
@@SubnetMaskedMan well, u said it yourself - PRIMARLY - not EXCLUSIVELY. In any way it also seems that you do not understand, that a part of defensive war is reclaiming land grabbed by the enemy. Defensive war can easily includes offensives.
When I heard our government “cared about the people”, I knew something was up.
It’s not about caring about people. It’s about acting in our national interest to bring a mad dog to heel.
@@jonw5547 that is true Jon and I’m not looking for an answer when I ask this but, at what cost? 🤔
Said Ronald Reagan
John Kerry, Joe Biden, Mitt Romney and Pelosi all had sons who received money from Ukrainian gas companies. And no one will report on this fact.
Joe Biden is treating this Russia/Ukraine problem like it's crackhead son, and hoping throwing money at it to make it go away... just ignore his corruption.. that'll fix it. It's gonna collapse the Dollar if he starts a two front war. And I'm not gonna fight that war for these people. Y'all deserve each other. I hope our politicians like the idea of working in a CCP cobalt mine, cuz your war fighters are done protecting you while you indoctrinate our kids into hating us.
@Yarp Yarp sheesh relax I don’t want ANYBODY to die 💀💀💀
ever since Krystal openly called for the government to enforce mandates by people losing their jobs or being fined I'm done with her....wish joe would call her out for that because Saagar sure didn't.
Same I unsubscribed from breaking points that day I even stopped listening to howard stern
She's also an AOC apologist.
Source?
“Source?”
Lmao it’s their show.
@@Zanne11Not AOC!!! The big booty Latina herself? The horror!
I am a Ukrainian in America, grew up in the US, born and raised in Ukraine till I was 5. Although it does hurt to some extent to hear literally anything negative about Ukraine at this point, it's also important to realize that this is a subjective and fleeting feeling and that if we don't look at reality objectively -- talk about the negatives being swept under the rug by mainstream/the gov. as they're doing here -- that is the key way to build trust with the average person and have real healthy discussion/debate and progress. So thank you Joe and thank you Krystal & Saagar. And may wokeism die as swift a death as possible through nonviolent means
Dude they are talking about selling your country to Putin. Their arguments are 'we should have a discussion' as if congress doesn't exist or 'our interests matter more than Ukrainians' which is incredibly short sighted and naive.
Then you're not ukrainian. You're just another brainwashed bot
Why did Ukraine violate the peace agreement on an almost daily basis?
Russia is still fucked up. Idk whats the point of finding flaws with our own team when the enemy doesnt give a fuck abd will continue to do what it needs to win...
Who cares about Ukraine?
Didn’t have to press Ukraine to give up nuclear weapons and sign memorandum back in 1994. Now, we have to keep the word.
do we? now is the perfect time for the government to start keeping their word?
Ukrainian president sold nuclear weapons and Black Sea navy to Russia because money)))) All those people are fucking crooks. They have dismantlled USSR just so they could rule their little piece of land as kings. Kazakhstan and Belarus also gave up nukes for no real reason.
WTF??? Talk about gaslighting, Krystal!!! ROTFLMAO
This conflict would have been over if everybody could have just put flags in their bios.
Lol!
Lmao
How about instead of putting the stupid “we got our covid shot” we put a no Ukraine sign over part of our profiles on Facebook… use social Media to build army against
Russia 🇷🇺 North Korea 🇰🇵 & China 🇨🇳
Supporter here 💯🫡👍
Democrats are ruining the world 🌎 ☢️☢️☢️☢️
Krystal and Saagar just make it easier to maintain the lies. The fact that they can’t acknowledge the roots of this war is despicable.
AGREED, their opinions are so lukewarm(especially Krystal's) that no one is going to wake up that's pro Ukraine War.
Exactly.
Yes. They didn’t discuss anything at all
Yup they said they were going to be different....they are not especially Krystal she still wants to be beasties with the dnc
Whats the roots of this war?
Remember when Krystal and Sagaar said the laptop was russian disinformation? Still haven’t heard them cover Hunters / Brandons ties to Burisma and Ukraine but I’m sure they’re totally unbiased 😂
Hey, even if they are bought agents, that means that there's a move to deescalate and bring Ukraine and Russia to the piece negotiations. But it's not a done deal, USA has control over Zelensky, but almost no control on Putin, moreover they keep isolating Russia and pigeon-holing them closer to China in opposition to USA and Europe. It may be really hard to get Russia to negotiate, since they won't trust anyone anymore (after Minsk agreements sham, after Nord Stream bombing, etc.)
They did I think I remember that
Didnt they both say the opposite? That it was NOT Disinformation? Could be misremembering.
They cover it frequently, Are you confusing them with some other newscast?
They have covered it.
"We are 75 years removed from what war looks like on the European continent".
Yugoslav wars have left the chat:
Wasnt nearly as bad
@@person6171 More than 100,000 people died and over half the population (2+ million people) were forced to flee their homes. But sure, not as bad. When does it get "bad"?
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It's almost like people don't equate Balkans to Europe since it's the poor black-sheep region in the family no one likes to talk about or invite to the dinner party
@@mitchbenson1084 isn't Georgia in Asia? 😉
Damn she’s saying that some Ukrainian officials did what the people in our government, and basically every corporation that is contracted by the government, does regularly? Shocker
Sadly there are a lot leftwing gov bots mesmerized by everything they hear on CNN who don’t know any of this.
THIS! So much this!
Yeah but it is a different level of scummy to fleece ur own people during a struggle of existence. There are also interviews with guys being over there telling how the ukrainian troops stationed with them robbed their gear & weapons to sell it...
@@DerDrecksack87 who would a ukrainian troop sell gear to?
@@2funny269 to their quartermaster or the black market that is present in most central hubs/troop locations, my guess is those transport it back and resell it to the govt (maybe even to russians) by stripping the more expensive parts like optics to sell those separatly, i doubt the soldiers get much cash for turning in "found" gear, they probably get booze, cigarettes, chicks or other stuff as barter, at least this is my experience seeing it live during the conflicts in the 90s as an eastern european. Crazy things happen when people with even mild addictions to booze, tobacco, grass or other "luxury" items are in harsh conditions for a long time under huge stress and they crave that stuff for relaxation more than ever.
These are the two Bobble Heads who said Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine.
I've seen this 4 times and youtube autoplay wants to keep bringing it up
if only i had a nickel for every time someone said gaslighting in the last five years.
Right? I swear it's another phrase put out by the govt to shame a group of people that disagree with the Gov. Now everyone is using it
lol yeah
Gaslighting? No one has ever gaslit you. You're crazy. #SeeWhatIDidThere
That and narcissism
If I only had a nickel every time I've heard someone say if I only had a nickel
How do I see these videos he mentions?
and still… nobody mentions the Budapest Memorandum from 1994.
Breaking Points had a pretty strong start but they went off the rails about 6 to 7 months ago in the run up into the mid terms. It's just been a cringe fest ever since and they are more like the mainstream they pretend to rail against than ever.
Agreed
Remember when Krystal cried over roe.
I unsubscribed around then and forgot they existed.
They were bad when they were on the rising, or the hill whatever they call it now.
The truth is, there is no such thing as objective sources.
Once you give anyone power, it’s really hard to have them give it up.
idk Americas has been succefull at peaceful transitions of power for only like 250 years...
@@lordmike1627 Are you kidding? Tell me you are kidding. USA is the most violent state in world history
@@lordmike1627 Which isn't very long.
@@lordmike1627 LOL are you sure about that? We have a transition of puppets, not power. It's entrenched-the unelected.
As we all saw with trump.
Step by step is not "suddenly"
Krystal’s covid gaslighting is on par with our governments Ukraine gaslighting.
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@@crymeaariver Russian bot spotted.
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@@tatsunithelennyking2540 Stepan Bandera how are you?
I feel like Krystal and Saagar consistently ignore or are ignorant to so much information related to their arguments. It’s exhausting.
Constantly playing victim. As if they’re being silenced. Meanwhile, they have a huge platform lol.
Also literally speaking on one of the largest platforms in the world, the Joe Rogan Experience.
I think for the type of reporting they do (they don’t have the resources to do any sort of investigative journalism) it’s just easier to be ignorant of the full picture.
@@EddyP596heck out No Agenda Podcast if you want to know the truth about anything.
They take advantage of an extensive international audience that has members with first hand info on many topics.
Joe had Adam Curry (one of the hosts) on a week ago and praised him for always being about 11 months ahead of the msm.
Not everyone has the resources to do good investigative journalism, but if you have a large, intelligent audience with the right connections, you can do some amazing things.
@Jeremy Jones anti institutional? they were for lockdowns/vaxx passports etc, there is nothing anti about them...
Probably because you can't have a debate when one group won't step foot in reality to do so 💯✌🏻
Yea these people are delusional/psychotic. Russian shills are truly braindead and don't step foot in reality.
Sagars last line was amazing.
Getting Jimmy Dore on with these 2 would be a beautiful bit of chaos
They would never do it because Jimmy would expose them for what they actually are.
Jimmy dore the Putin bootlicker
Jimmy is actually objective and fair, while Joe touts these two cunts. It's incredibly annoying.
@@tired5 Jimmy Dore is nothing, but an opportunist. He's a lowlife grifter and not a very good one, I might add. He believes in nothing, but increasing his bank account.
@@tired5I thought Jimmy was ok with these two ? Am I wrong
The big takeaway is we can't have civil discussions. We have incredibly complicated and nuanced topics absolutely worth discussing in detail but instead of a sophisticated debate, it's dumbed down to black vs white, or red vs blue. We either support one thing or we are evil and support x, y, and z. We do this with just about everything related to societal issues. Too many assumptions, too little tolerance. It's only exasperated by the fact that we try to have these discussions using 150 characters or less. I think we can do better.
It leaves me wondering if it's all by design or if our own inadequacies are getting the best of us.
It’s a little too obvious it is all by design isn’t it? We had a Chinese “spy balloon” go clear across our country today and THEN we shot it down? Come on!🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Brother, if one side says the earth is flat and the other side that its round, pray tell, what is the civil discussion to be had? Where's the middle ground with "but NASA is faking photos to make it look round"?
K&S are so full of shit on this point. There is no other way to describe it. They talk about Zelenskyy firing corrupt offcials...but for some reason fail to mention that the US Treasury has been keeping an eye on the money sent there and found that those funds arent misused. The Pentagon has failed FIVE audits since the 90s, in amounts that go in the trillions- and now we're going to pearl clutch? Russia postured on nuclear weapons thinking it will scare people from helping, only to have their news agency Taas that Russia reafirms not to use nuclear weapons when they saw that people arent deterred. Do K&S have that in their "discussion"? They act like morons that dont comprehend how shifting circumstances required different approaches. Oh Biden said that he wont send tanks *at that time*. And now he is sending it after Russian mobilization?! (and only 40 of them). Oh the depravity!
Oh, and what Saagar said about nuclear policy? Totally wrong. December 12th, 2022, Peskov affirsm that currently nuclear policy will NOT change.
If they want a civil discussion, they should have a discussion, first and foremost. Not chasing click simply because the anti war sentiment looks for validation that does not exist.
"We" i dunno about that 100% this is the way things are being taught today thats forsure....This is why so many have issues within our country at the moment.. Good points though
Most people are believing the lies about everything, which is by design!!!! Proof is 90% getting experimental injection for treatable flu
Smoke and mirrors if our Government and media didn't pound all this unimportant vainity and rediculas violent idealism until we reach the stage of TODAY....We might actually be aware of the Evil doing and greed within our politics
Jimmy dore owns these clowns
"Are we setting ourselves up for world war 3 right now?"
My biggest worry is that since everybody has nukes now, that this makes an actual direct military engagement between America and China or Russia, far more likely. The idea being that they would never actually use nukes unless it was an absolute last resort to prevent a full blown toppling of their regimes...
I am just saying my biggest fear is the reality that we no longer live in a world where "total and complete surrender" is still a thing, and what that ultimately means is that our leaders might actually come to a very dangerous understanding about the future of war, where they will try to settle their disputes by trying to demoralize the other's country into defeating itself. Essentially world war 3 will be a long dragged out war of skirmishes and ceasefires, as each side tries to prove their military might, with the ultimate victor being decided by who can keep their military's morality high enough to stay engaged in the fight...
We are entering pretty scary times in my view, where we can easily see the draft return because who in this country would volunteer to join the army if Chinese spies are sending tiktok videos to teenagers showing how they turned our army into hamburger during the last skirmish they fought because our leaders couldn't agree with their's about the sovereignty of a little tiny island halfway across the world?
"Welcome to the human race." -Snake Plissken
Lol do you think tiktok is still available in the us if there is an all out war with china?
This is why the answer should universally always be no when it comes to "foreign aid" bc no matter how much they sell and propagandize the merits of what happens if we don't, the end result is always the same. The money goes to the top and helps consolidate and strengthen the corruption off the backs of well to do citizens. These ideological games end in the same way
"WAR is a RACKET. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." - Two time Medal of Honor recipient USMC Major General Smedley Butler (1935)
Yea man… but look at all the money you can make?!
Yep, so you agree Russia invaded Ukraine for no good reason and the invaders should be removed.
@@jls5480 Who is making money? Show me
@@jls5480 Crazy so many Americans are Ok with all the Sodomy and paychecks to Ukraine
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BP lost their soul, the soul that made them. Now they are high on themselves and want so badly to be mini celebrities instead of serious news people.
Did they ever have one ? 😂😂😂 They were faux interlopers from the get go- only now do you see their 'equilibrium' in all it's nauseating glory.
@@odochartaighofodonegal2351 What political shows do you listen to? Let me guess, far right ones...
@@DontKillFriends Yea because Jimmy Dore is right wing- according to people like you 😂😂
@@odochartaighofodonegal2351 Every time I think about watching his stuff again, I just see more antivax shit or pro Russia segments. But no, Jimmy is still totally a leftist and not pandering to the anti-establishment Right.
@@moon_wizard1250 Regardless of who Dore is 'pandering to', the dude does his F-ing due diligence (research) and is most always over the target- whether that jives with you is your gig. ✌
I haven’t seen that much of Rogan but I’m not enthusiastic to hurry and see more next time either
Thank god for this message. This is what we’ve been talking about at the jiujitsu gym lately
I sure hope Joe is gonna have Jimmy on after Kucklinski and these two grifters
Imagine being a Jimmy Dore fan. You have to be braindead.
@@za-ir5ni SO because I brought up the name Jimmy I must be a Jimmy Dore Fan and braindead ? lol Please show me on this doll where exactly Jimmy touched you............
Jimmy the russian grifter
@@obgaming101 that's such an ignorant comment it's hilarious
@@obgaming101 wow…just wow 😂
Should be talking about why Russia went in...watch Jimmy Dore.
Bang on!
These comments bring me so much joy. These two have become the most impressive corporate news grifters ever
It’s concerning that seeing random strangers validate your opinions brings you joy. You’re just trying to fit in when you should be challenging your own beliefs
There working to become the next TYT (The Young Turds).
@@Bhubnipz it brings joy to me to see so many people aware of the truth calling out 2 grifters...
don't project you insecurities to others.
Kristal and Saagar: we are not establishment grifters like TYT! we are the diet type!
@@Bhubnipz that’s concerning? That they need to feel accepted in their own beliefs and justify them based on others. I’ll agree you shouldn’t need that, but I would be more concerned about your own self than someone making a comment that 95% of humans do.
Krystal and Sagar understand gaslighting very very well...
They’re pros
Tell me about it lol
lotsa salty commenters being mean yet bringing zero facts... weird
Like Pedos criticizing Pedos 🤣🤣🤣- sort of like 'self-loathing'
@@pockettangerine1480 welcome to the internet
There's not a "total lack of debate" in the US government about unconditional military support....
Its quite amasing how 3 antiwar ppl can do so smooth war propaganda:)
I can't stand the way Rogan talks about these two... Imagine believing there's a unbiased people on the face of the planet.
He likes to be the middle of the road cool guy, no mention of the dozens of episodes Spotify deleted, whoops, oh well, that's what cool guys just have to deal with
Totally agree. Their show is awful.
Rogan believes almost anyone in front of him at the time. He almost never pushes back. He's a dumb person who talks to smart people. I think he thinks that makes him smart.
@@killdizzle I’m certainly not
taking up for Rogan, but most of us do this very thing. We choose the people that are telling us what we want to hear. That’s why most of these people have successful shows.
@@killdizzle absolutely! I find myself gravitating to channels that confirm my bias. I’m trying to do better about listening to opposing views.
It's been reported for a long time. Just not on mainstream media.
I would have loved to see their reactions when Joe brought up Jimmy Dore 😂
Exactly what I was thinking. Especially since Jimmy did multiple stories on the Ball.
The fact that Kuck-linski and Krystal went along with the smear shows the kind of progressives they are. All you had to do was ask simple questions like who? What? When? Where? And watch Anna and Cenk melt down along with their "story"
totally. 1000% true dude
I can’t stand to listen to the episode. Do you know the time stamp on Spotify ?
Do they hate Jimmy Dore or something? I dont watch these 2 anymore, I'm surprised they're making some sense right now...actually, Joe is on the ball for once! Taking shit serious! Hes waking up
Great clip
Way to tell half the story. This started in the 80s. It's not an unrevoked war.
Unprovoked war
Is Saagar just going to pretend now that he was not the one screaming the Ukraine is winning over the last 8-9 months???
yup, they be like that sadly.
why do americans say "the ukraine" where did this come from? Something to do with the american eduction system? so jarring
He said that Russia was running out of missiles too. Hahahahahahahahaha
@@zak2659 haha your right I never noticed that. We don't called it the Australia or the Scotland so why is everyone calling it the Ukraine
@@tangybuttfrogfpv8772 it reminds us of "the Congo" or "the DMZ" ie it de personalizes the conflict by sterilizing it via geography.
Here comes the new media. Same as the old media.
Good call
I now realize not one person in this clip knows what they are talking about
"you're not allowed to talk about that"
To save lives on both sides there is surely a moral need to negotiate.
Ukraine, one of the most resource rich countries in the world, also one of the most corrupt.
Please have Natalie and Clayton Morris on from Redacted for some real news education about the war and the vaccines.
Yes!! I love them!!
Krystal and Saagar talking about gaslighting. They should know this subject very well.
Careful now, I'm sure rogan vetted them two.
IT'S WE THE PEOPLE NOT WE THE GOVERNMENT
1:47 Someone please educate this lady about how war operates
These two know all about gaslighting
@@vespii Weirdo
@@vespii get help
I was thinking the same thing!!! Lol what an ironic headline
What's the drama with these two? I haven't been keeping up with any political commentary for a while now.
@@vespii ew
Breaking points is the mainstream media pretending to be alternative media .
100%
Sad. I agree.
Facts
Facts 100%
You’re just mad they don’t tell you what you want to hear.
Get Chris Hedges on !
Sad world we live where wars are fabricated
As usual Crystal and Sagar are a day late and a dollar short!
Yup, reactive. Finger to the wind before they speak. We need leaders more than ever. These 2, not to be believed, not to be followed.
For people claiming to be asking the “tough” questions, it seems incredible that they completely ignore the historical precedent of proxy wars between Russia and the US. Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan all were proxy wars.
i guess america should have let communism steamroll over the world. i bet south korea hates that america had a proxy war on their behalf.
USSR, u meant
All the Ukraine is to the US government is a big aircraft carrier in an extremely lucrative location. They don't care at all about freedom or the people of Ukraine.
And ‘total lack of an ability to have dissent and debate’ - the fck is she even talking about, we have that debate every day and it informs all the choices of weapons, how big involvement should be, what lines of communication need to be kept open.. what is she even SAYING???
@@johnkirk1772 When people don't have an argument, they just say "we're not allowed to have an argument"
i saw a guy get killed by a hammer yesterday lol
At 7:21 she triggered my "Hey google" lol
Speaking of gaslighting. Krystal is great at it.
the best
100%. She used to be great
She’s got a great jaw line though
Provide examples of Krystal gas lighting
Crimea was annexed in 2014, AFTER the US led coup, Saagar is starting it too...
These two are part of the charade of wool over the eyes gaslighters
Does their viewpoint really count anywhere?
It took BP 3 months to become co-opted.
My son in law just went to Poland for the us army. He is being charged for meals! How? He is serving our country, living in a tent, and being charged for meals. That’s wrong for all the men and women who are there. Who’s in charge of that decision? Anyone know who I can talk to?
These two calling out the media for doing the same BS they do is gaslighting at its finest.
Lmao facts
Truth hurts.
Smith Mundt act needs to comeback.
I dont have a clue who these are, but they were using financial figures that clearly had not included any kind of inflation they said more money than they gave to the Afghan military, well like us in the UK they had boots and equipment there, not really a comparison, secondly the Vietnam war ( also troops and equipment) that was nearly half a century ago so what would those figures look like with genuine inflation added too them , I also expect like with the UK Second world war that money and aid was paid back to the USA with interest over a period like we finished paying it in 2006
Now we have the Batman and Robin part, i worked in a plumbers merchant in London from 1998 to 2011, i met a lot of Ukrainian plumbers and builders who were here due to joining the common market (freedom of movement) cracking guys who would all openly talk about fighting Russian incursions and there open dislike for the Russian state.
Not sure what is happening here Joe Rogan usually has a mush better bullshit detector than this.
This is just being hypocrite. Learn the difference.
How many fucking times is CZcams gonna auto play this clip, I’ve seen it like 5 times at this point
Why is advocating for peace seen as Russian propaganda? These warhawks are insane.
Because it is?
Joe should bring Col. Mcgregor to talk about Ukraine.
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Yes and ask him how much he's being paid to parrot Russian propaganda. He keeps having this Scott Ritter guy who basically has been wrong about everything and wants Ukraine to give up its territories to appease the Russians. Hilarious 😂
@@ren2871 and what makes you more qualified than him exactly? Thats the hillarious part 😀🤣
@@dimzoll3669 well, I was born in Bryansk, Russia, right on the Ukraine border. I have access to Russian state owned media and can read the Kremlin Propaganda online without needing someone else to rehash to me English those same Kremlin talking points. At the end of the day the Russian propaganda is weak. It relies on heavy cognitive dissonance and holding Ukraine to a standard Russia doesn't hold it self to at all. How does denazification of Ukraine equal annexing parts of it? How does annexation solve the issue of NATO on the Russian border when Russian already has 4 NATO members on its border with Finland likely joining soon?
@@ren2871 I was born in a city too. Think about it, can you see other countries building up their military and radicalising their population against another? Is not Finland. That's why Russia want to eliminate the threat. Hope you get it now.👍 It is pretty clear without taking a side here.
Rogan equates these 2 with Glen Greenwald and Jimmy Dore 😆 🤣 😂
🤣😂🤣
All thats missing is a shred of truth.
He also considers Kyle Kucklinski as a "reliable source".
There’s something about a 40 yr old man who dyes his hair blonde and wants to be taken seriously😂
Jimmy Dore is as biased as you can get in media lol. He's no better than Rachel Maddow and Tucker
Ppl when they realize USA has given more money in military support to Ukraine than the yearly budget for NASA 🤨
very expensive. and its only been 12 months
Anyone watching since 2015 knew this conflict would happen eventually.
Just took a potato of a president to start it.
ya.. as soon as victoria nuland got her job back.
*2004
Abraham Lincoln said you can’t fool everyone all the time. You and me both. The people of the Donbas have been bombed by the Ukrainian army for the last 8 years
@@maxsportsman2416 Lincoln knows all about bombing innocent people 🤣
Can we get Jimmy Dore on again?
Would love to hear her explain what a “defensive weapon” is
It's a me too hashtag and a censorship button on twitter everyone knows that 🤣😂🤣
Lol!
It’s .50 bmg incendiary
@don't be surprised Don't be surprised if I don't click the link. 😝 I've been trolled so many times that I no longer click links. However, I thought you username was a good GOTCHA name. 😂😂😂 Cheers 🥂
She means weapons that can't reach over 20km or so.that it won't be used against Russian territory. We began breaking that w/ HIMARS systems.
Tanks it's a defensive weapon to, when you're been atacked.
If only people stood back and listened to the arguments on both sides - before they started to throw mud - then a reasoned debate about this conflict could ensue.
Kyle's husband is such a nice lady.
Hahahaahaahahahahhhah
If you're gonna stick to a phobia at least pick if you're gonna be a homophobe or a transphobe. Picking both is just greedy
@@meechisminners both is good.
@@gray327 so is it like an all or nothing thing for you bigots? Like do you have to hate Trans people and gay people, or can you pick which one you treat as subhuman?
Shes hitting the wall fast isnt she? Go back to a video from two years ago when they were on Rising and you see what I mean.
I watched these guys since they were on the Hill. It started to get intolerable as soon as Ryan Grim job joined them. It was a good run, but these guys can’t hold a candle to Jimmy Dore and Kerp
I hate you... "grim job" is forever stuck in my head now.
Just a thought. Are we sending all this military aid for Ukraine use or positioning our weapons to Ukraine!
Liveleak hasn't been around in years lol
Joe Rogan should interview Whitney Webb. She’s by far one of the best investigative reporters currently in the world.
Yea, she would run circles around Joe, anyone that knows who she is already knows what’s up. I would love to see her come on and get some info out there, but it would be a bunch of stuff she’s already said on other podcasts getting Joe caught up.
But it would be great I agree.
Whitney needs a panel of Joes.
Her appearances on Tim Dillon are great
She is next level, and i truly hope she has serious personal security.
Absolutely
theres something about these two people that makes me feel like they arent genuine. Not like they are lying, but they arent genuine with themselves.
Bingo.
The Indian accent probably.
Yes, it's because their audience is on CZcams which means they want to be spoon fed content they agree with. You can see it in these comments. This is why running any kind of news show on CZcams us bad. Once you disagree with your audience you kill you channel. It's called audience capture.
Krystal is a shill and Saager is a good boy.
They aren't. You're spot on.
This probably somehow has something to do with the Viktor Bout exchange
So what took so long to figure that out. Most of us with open eyes saw that a long long time ago.
Did Saagar get a word out or it was all overwhelming mother Krystal as usual.
Krystal doesn't know history very well. Maybe she should do more research on why Russia invaded Ukraine. Rogan doesn't correct her either. Joe's podcast have become just talking points and agreeing.
Seriously Joe needs to get better guests this is garbage. Get Colonel McGregor on or Scott Ritter. This is total trash
She should also read about the Non-Proliferation Treaty and The Budapest Memorandum The US, Russia and UK conned Ukraine into signing in 1994.
Under those agreements Ukraine gave all its nukes to Russia in exchange for a promise of protection of its borders against any outside incursion.
How do you think Ukraine feels about giving up those nukes now?
Can you elaborate on what you mean?
@@psaint60 Probably ok, as they don't have to worry about 50 year old nukes in their country.
Wait … those are just her feelings. I DO NOT agree with her at all. However it’s ok to listen and acknowledge what she feels should happen. She’s a great journalist - who happens to not see eye to eye with you. #itooktheredpill
How can you say climate change is a real thing but also that it's bad that we cant question the science. Until the science IS questioned, then climate change is theory, A theory, not fact.
I would never have found Krystal and Saagar but for Joe. They are gold.
Krystal in not…
@@look9005 yeah, you simply disagree with her. That's childish.
breaking points has killed the goose that laid the golden egg. they once had mojo but lost their organic style trying to run a media company
a goose named 'authenticity'
Like Jackson Hinckle and Jimmy Dore have reported that they are on the take from military industrial complex.
Funny that rogan mentions Jimmy and they say nothing lol.
They started getting paid by different people.
not to mention theyve hired mainstream media shills to work for them
What a flat brain comment..yeesh
Corruption? Ukraine? No way?!?
Corruption in World? No way 😂
He fired the officials bc they gave info to the Russians too. Context matters. We’re corrupt, Russia is too lol.
What's this about?
@@murmur4498 C.R.E.A.M 🤷♂️
my neighbor is in the FBI and made frequent trips to Ukraine prior to this war .. he said its the most corrupt country in the world
“Etherial Narrative” should be a staple term.
People forget that American "aide" is a loan that Ukraine will be paying us for 100+ years
Sure they will
@@garyoakham9723 the UK made WW2 payments to the US until 2019
They’re gaining 10% courage now … let’s see what they say in 6 months from now
Ball trying to look all level headed when on her show she’s always coping.
Representation with taxation
Reminding you was the ideal goal
An enormous amount of money is spent developing weapons . It's not a matter of them being used but rather whom the weapons will be used on.
Krystal and Saagar are have been wrong on Ukraine for almost a year now. It's actually impressive how wrong they've been on this conflict.
Clearly they need access to the best military advisors that know more than anyone else like you
Yea they suck
Full cringe wrong
They’re completely wrong on all kinds of stuff
It isn't surprising. Look at their stance on PPP. They aren't really effective looking at past few years.
01:33 this woman needs a serious lesson on how the war really started - in 2014, or even back in 1991
She knows how it started.. she’s gaslighting
I think this oughta start a bigger conversation. Something along the lines of: Where does our tax money in general go?
Propping up their pensions. Stop the insanity.
The open Corruption of our politicians in Washington D.C. is 100% unacceptable!
We need to start civilian oversite committees that overwatch our Lawmakers.
A republic who watches the republic that watches other republics that watch other republics. Fantastic Idea.
That what voters are supposed to be…
It’s a made up problem
It was never part of the design of the republic to have a democratic influence on government policy in the way you are implying.
I'm sure your idea comes from a good place but it would never work. The civilian oversite committee would eventually be corrupted. The problem boils down to human nature and the need to make more money and have more power.
Crystal was like, 'we were supposed to give ONLY defensive weapons!' like WTF is defensive weapons. Tank can be used in both the defence and offence, artillery, rockets as well etc. etc.
Such a joke. This is what they do - they imply a feeling / claim they know the audience agrees with >> bring up elements of global conspiracy >>> they cite a fact (regardless of relevance) which makes it seem that the implied feeling/claim is legitimate and the audience obviously eats this up since they already agree
@@tv19463 Yep. Borderline strawman arguments.
A tank is an armoured fighting vehicle intended as a primary offensive weapon in front-line ground combat.
An anti-tank gun on the other hand is a defensive weapon.
Just because you don’t know the difference between the two does not mean the person you are criticizing is wrong.
We should send all these gaslighters to war.
@@SubnetMaskedMan well, u said it yourself - PRIMARLY - not EXCLUSIVELY. In any way it also seems that you do not understand, that a part of defensive war is reclaiming land grabbed by the enemy. Defensive war can easily includes offensives.