Tall Climber VS Small Climber - Whats Better Outside?
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Not often I see a climbing video which makes a decent representation of what it actually feels like to climb, especially outdoors and especially for a fellow 6.3" lanker. This was great, good honest fun with a bit of fear and fumbling along the way. Just how it it actually goes down for most of us.... Nice one!
Yay pleased you liked it!
Love the videos with Jon
Was a very fun day!
As a 6'6'' European struggling in gyms in Asia, I love this content. I immediately feel when I have a problem due to height in a specific boulder, but it is a little bit harder for me to identify the patterns of boulder problems that make it systematically harder for taller guys (the last boulder in this video was a great example), and I totally miss content online how these systematic challenges can be solved for tall guys (e.g., alternative techniques, in what way to do things differently, etc)
I'm an intermediate climber (V5/6) and 5'0"/153cm.
Most of my experience is indoors and I'd agree with Josh that being tall is easier up to a certain grade and then it starts to level out. I'd also say it depends on how far outside the "average" height you are. If you're wildly tall, you can have trouble fitting into even "normal"-sized boxes or being unable to use your bigger muscles because you're too cramped. If you're wildly short, then you have to make up for it a lot with spanned strength, dynos, strong fingers for deadpoints, and creative foot technique.
Another perk of being short (even though I’m not that short at 5’5”) is that we are naturally lighter. No matter how skinny you are tall people are almost always going to be heavier.
It als depends on the type of bouldering. In heavy overhangs being short can make things a lot easier as long as you can still reach the hold since your smaller levers give you more power. However on slabs being very tall is a huge advantage since you can lean your center of gravity way deeper into the wall.
Yess!! I've been waiting for another video with Jon!
Hope you liked it!!
awesooooooooome! i love your collabs with jon!
Me too 😃
big fan of the outdoor content, would love to see you on some routes!
Keep your eyes peeled! Got a tasty / scary trad vid coming soon!
More outdoor content needed! Thank you Josh :)
More coming soon 😃
Been using the Magdust for a couple months now, very good!
It’s great isn’t it!
once i started climbing outside, especially on slabbier climbs, i was very grateful for my height (6'3). it's hard to explain, but being just tall felt good - i was glad to be tall on the wall for once. high feet weren't that high, the next handhold was closer, and moves just required less adjustment.
that being said, this video is very vindicating... the advantage of short climbers is fully on display on some of these. it feels like every other climbing content creator is very short and only talks about how being short makes climbing soo much harder for them (the irony being that all climbing creators are short). i would venture to say that any time a move isn't reachy, it is easier to be short. a well set climb balances the two extremes, but nature really felt much more democratic than the 5'6 twink setting boulders in my gym.
7:27
Jon looked soo cute running away 😅
haha exited to climb!
I would say that up to like 5'8 height is advantage than it becomes cumbersome as bigger hand are less ideal for tiny crimps + more weight being loaded on those holds.
Depends on the boulder, the thumbnail deliverance is notoriously hard for short climbers
definitely
It would have been interesting seeing you both on captain hook and deliverance. Horses for courses.
lol i am 6 foot 7 and get absolutely shut down by strange sitstarts or boulders where you are kind of compressed. I laughed so hard when you were just sliding on the floor with your butt on the last boulder bc i feelt like that too many times. On the other hand i am really good at slabs where i can just balance on my feet and reach up to watherver hold i like.
Man, I know this feeling all too well! At 6’7” 228….not really the best size for climbing scrunched up style boulders…I find myself doing top rope more than anything. But, I really enjoy it and like finding the beta that works for me.
I’m 6’ 1” and I was in Indian rock state park. Found a v3 sit start that was a lay down start for me and the next hold still had me on the ground so it was impossible
Tall guy / short guy thing aside. This is really good outdoor content. Nice one!
I'm 6'4"; being tall makes easy climbs easier, but in general it doesn't help after 6a. Indoor routes are set for average height people, so every climb is doable if you're average height, and good route-setters will try to make climbs you can't beta-break. The taller you are the heavier you are, at a very disadvantageous ratio: while your reach increases linearly, your weight increases cubically. This trade-off can kind of work in your favour for up to around 6a, but after that, when the holds start getting smaller and less juggy, the extra weight becomes a massive disadvantage: more weight to haul up the wall, but more acutely more weight on your fingers, and as I said, indoors you get no real advantage gained from your reach. Outdoors, because routes are arbitrarily generated by nature, I could see there being some advantage to being tall, some of the time. BUT when you "tall out" a problem you tend to feel a bit shitty about it anyway, so :shrug: tl;dr I'm envious of average-height climbers.
I think it’s also an advantage to be taller outdoors bc you can’t climb as dynamically outdoors as you can indoors cause you can’t be so sure that ur safe and as a shorter climber the way I make up for being shorter is by climbing more dynamically
@@DanielBParada but then you also have a lot of sit-starts out-doors... and dont even try to deny that sit-starts are the arch enemies of tall people. also it highly depends on where you climb and what the structure of the rock is. some materials have infinite options which makes it even easier for smaller people.
@@TheValinov true but honestly if I was tall I just wouldn’t do sit starts like having the pulling on move be potentially the crux just seems extremely unfun
@@DanielBParada well in my homecrack, 90% of the problems have sitstarts :'D
I know I’m safe indoors.
Say that to my dislocated elbow
John is great to watch. Shorter climbers may be able to create tension a little easier than taller climbers under some circumstances, steep stuff mainly. I'm 193cm and my climbing never looks good but I love it.
AYYYY sickkk vid last time year i discovered jonathan bc of the collab glad to see you have hium back :)
Cool vid! Up to Stanage next week let’s hope connies are are good 🤞🏼
Thanks! Fingers crossed 🤞
"Are you still on the ground!?"
"Did you not know?" 🤣As a tall (beginner) climber, I could tell immediately. Haha. Made this the funniest moment I´ve ever seen in a climbing video.
I really like the chemistry between you two
No way hahaha. I just won a year supply of MagDust 😲😯😲. Thanks, Josh and Magnus!
No way did you actually!!!!? That’s amazing
@@JoshRundle I won free chalk with my first purchase. Still happy though 😁😁
Yay that’s great!! It is seriously awesome chalk 🔥🔥🔥
greatest bromance 2023?
Haha me and Magnus or me and Jon?
Depends!
True
short people will generally have an easier time improving strength to weight ratio so I think it's an advantage on harder grades like Josh said. Climbing indoors as a tall person is fun though because you can combine big reach with riskier moves that don't require as much tension. Outdoors though, keeping such a larger body static will be more difficult I think.
Takeaway from the video, if you're shorter than 6 foot, you're small. I guess that validates women's dating preferences then.
If you're like 5'9-5'11 you're not talk but not short either
What kind of "nature videos" is Josh watching? lmao.
😂😂😂
Disappointed you didn't get on Deliverance, defiantly a height dependent boulder
It would have been a good one to try but sadly we ran out of time with the weather
i saw a video of a guy which seems to be quite small doing it with a different beta... that looked even easier then the normal jump :S
Sure I saw Jon at hanger in Sheffield this week
I was there 😃
@@JoshRundle missed ya lol I only noticed Jon because he walked up out on nowhere and just smashed a white in front of me while I was trying to read a beta, then walked off like he was warming up 😄
How can I use the Code for magdust? The checkout says that the code van not be used for that product.
It works when you order something with the chalk
So i won on the raffle wheel spin thingy and it gave me a code, but it doen't seem to work?
you have to use the code on your first order to claim what you won. It should say that on the spiny wheel.
@@JoshRundleit says its invalid for the product
I’m having the same problem
I am having the same problem 😢
You didn't try deliverance!
Location pls :)) looks so nice
It’s at Stanage in the Peak District!
i got one free magdust thanks bro
Wooo that’s great!!!
how can you use the code you won?
5ft 4 is average height for a woman. Spare a thought for us short women! 5ft 1 here 😭
That neck of ondra got you a follow. Jokes between this video and the route setting video are grade A
Haha thank you 🙏
as a short climber i rate the short climber ;)
haha understandable
Being tall has many advantages, but moving my 83 kg heavy ass up the wall is the real deal. :P. So I vote for tall and insufficiently nourished!
😂
I’m 5”5 and weigh 79kg but probably have much better technique than most tall climbers.
Stanage all to yourself, must have been a weekday
It was! Great day for it
W
Clicked on the sweepstakes link and didn't see any place to 'enter'
Just shows me "Josh's top picks." Good video by the way!
I think that just might have been an error. If you try again it should work.
Thank you
@@JoshRundle Got it! Ad blockers were stopping the wheel from popping up.
So the goal of this is to find out if being tall helps with climbing or not, so you decided to pick specific boulders where a longer reach won't be able to help you. Ah yes, makes sense...
We just picked boulders we thought were cool 🙂 and the goal was to see what helped on a majority of boulders.
To see what helped the most being smaller or tall.
@@JoshRundle Hey listen, I thought those boulders looked really cool as well and I'd love to try them myself. But if the goal is to see if being short or tall is an advantage for climbing in general, these weren't a great selection. It's fine to disagree, though. To end things on a positive note: I also watched the indoor climbing video and I really liked that one (not like I disliked this one).
@@darkaquatus I didn't take any offence :) just thought I would explain why we picked them. I definitely see your point though but I think the last boulder on this video shows the advantages to being small at least on that boulder as I couldn't do the moves without dabbing the floor with my bum. Thanks, I'm pleased you liked that one too :) I appreciate you watching the!
Downvoted for the ear ape at 7 min ish. Why is it so hard to normalise audio?
Sorry! Missed that one ☝️
As a short person, I don't use it as an excuse for not climbing well. I don't think tall people should use being tall as an excuse... It's kinda lame