NCR9: Filipino Champ (DH) vs Daigo Umehara MCZ (RY/YUN) Concept Match
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This match took place at NorCal Regionals 9 during the SSF4:AE top 8 as we waited for Vangief to show up and play his match so the tournament could progress.
Anybody who says Daigo is bad for how many fireballs he uses, he would still kill you without the fireballs. his footsies are amazing, with his reads being really good as well.
The most amazing thing, to me, is how Daigo sets his pace with Ryu at that range. When I fight, I am in a frenzy to attack and land combos. This match has taught me that there are all sorts of ways of fighting in a match.
Too bad when you play against most people, they would consider this cheap or spamming.
I mean, why jump into a Zangief if you are a projecticle character.
I still come back to this every year. Seeing champ get bodied is just so nice.
Besides some executions errors from both ends the match was awesome, Filipino Champ stood up very well against Daigo's Ryu and I'm also "impressed" Daigo is still able to play a solid Ryu after some time playing Yun, good stuff.
Daigo never ceases to amaze us...the stuff he does when his life meter is low is epic...his timing is rediculous.
9:05 - 9:16 : Daigo changes his game plan and begins unleashing hadoukens left and right. His whole game, so far, has been using hadoukens when it's absolutely safe. Daigo used this tactic as a bait for FChamp to poke out with a fierce. FChamp took the bait and Daigo punished him. Fucking amazing.
i came here to see this awesome dhalsim play. because there are lots of poeple playing ryu its not interesting for me. but seeing daigo having trouble with ryu against this dhalsim is just awesome, thats the reason i came here.
Holy shit Daigo's Yun make's it look like his opponent's blocking is disabled.
@Fisj
The generally accepted Dhalism - Ryu matchup is 6-4 Dhalism, not "8-3." There is no way that it is 8:2, that is something like Vanilla Seth versus Vanilla Zangief.
7:50 Super Mario attack, needs coin sample
Love the commentary, makes me appreciate the chess like qualities of the game
Just learnt when diago was walking back against the corner it stops Dhalsim from teleport crossing up.
@Charge183IF yeah... the nerf came with the ver. 2012 patch for the AE.
after the patch you can see "ver. 2012" written under the SSF4 AE logo when the match is about to start
@crisco9071 - AE's on consoles - with that, you'll get four new characters, several gameplay differences (including lots of Yun/Yang/Evil Ryu/Oni usage online initially) aaaaand...that's it besides some new alternates.
this is the most intense set ive seen despite it's slow pace... I LOVE IT!!!
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@AKangarou Yup ... that was incredible ... Sim/Ryu = Highly competitive, incredible metagame. Sim/Yun = One sided beat down. This .... is incredible considering Ryu has been Daigo's main for years and Daigo is the best Ryu in the world.
@SFtheWolf
Oh..I'll have to give that series a try, haven't played them since the Fatal Fury series...many thanks...
absolutely. and all characters are unlocked, so you can play with your favourite immediately
Yup Seth got the Best commentary i ever heard
@UltimaWeapon08 I think that a lot of U.S. players that aren't familiar with the Twins and their tricks in 3rd Strike will struggle against them. There are not too many arcades in NorCal compared to SoCal though. The Silicon Valley area people has more access especially the Sunnyvale and Milpitas Golfland locations which have AE since almost a month after its release. It's an hour drive for me to go there, so the commitment to gi at least 3-4 times a week is pretty tough.
lol, i love to see Daigo play with ryu in here, and i have never played SSF4
Daigo's ryu is good to the point where this matchup is like 5-5 essentially, even when Flip has the overwhelming advantage in this 7-3 matchup. The moment daigo switches to yun to get a matchup advantage, you can see how easily Flip gets bodied. That shows how much of a better player daigo is essentially. Playing a 3-7 matchup like a 5-5 and playing a 7-3 matchup as a 10-0 matchup.
Uploaded 8 years ago and the quality is still topnotch
daigo definitely deserved to win with his Yun.
Its good to see the game improving with new characters such as Yun
@skrface13 There are certain conditions for these types of matches. For example, Daigo using Ryu as opposed to Yun. Also, it's a what if, as in what if these two actually met in the finals. Etc.
I know a lot of people disagrees with me, but I love watching good Dhalsims! It's so interesting to watch that zoning and spacing game.
holy shit Diago's yun is a beast. I play online and i have never seen a yun this good they are all average online.
@junkimchi Only 1 match vs Yun though. They did multiple Ryu matches. On a per round basis however Yun look at the times. Ryu vs Dhalsim is taking around 70seconds per round. Yun is taking around 20-25per round.
I luv how when daigo was using ryu it was even, but when he used yun he ran a train over filipino champ. The sad part is that even if they make the necessary nerfs on yun, daigo would have still won the match.
@Dridokof well there's two things of note 1) Sim is a pretty bad match up for Ryu, all Sim has to do is use his awesome pokes to stop anything Ryu can do 2) Daigo has a pure rushdown style which is exactly the strategy you cannot use against Sim with Ryu because he has all the tools to stop you. If you noticed, Daigo had the life lead so many times yet he lost because he wasn't patient, and kept attacking which is what FC wants. On the other hand, with Yun, rushing down Sim is way easier.
yeah, good guys like these make fights super better
I flinched everytime FC screwed up his execution versus Ryu. It was played very well, but he slipped up more times than I expected him to.
I was kind of disappointed to see FC get tagged by the SRK xx Super and SRK xx FADC xx Ultra setups. Umehara was just fishing for those opportunities lol. But what could he do, it's part of the game.
When Yun came on the scene, F Champ just looked like a sucka playing his first SF game lol. I'm not a fan of Umehara, but that was some good stuff. FC needs
great commentary, and greater battle
@JacopeX he shouldn't put ryu down, that's for sure. the twins were broken in AE and everyone knows it. ryu got some rough nerfs too, but frankly the shoto's, ryu particularly, needs more of a learning curve. If the only way to do that is to demand more hits, then that's the option. If he still wants to play yun, I'm sure he'll find him entirely viable in ver. 2012.
It wasn't a counterpick. This was a "concept match" just an exibition. It was for the viewers, not tournament.
This video proves just how match-up based this game is.
@Triplethreat99 I believe he did. I'm not denying Daigo's ability. I was merely praising Champ's ability to fight at that level against such a disadvantage. I was also expressing my frustration with the ridiculousness of Yun. No offense to Daigo, but I wish he'd stick to Ryu. His ability is much more apparent with Ryu.
Daigo ended his legendary match with justin wong with one pixel of health and does it again at the very first round against filipino champ
Daigo has done this kind up upset more than twice
Lets make it official, lets call it "daigoing" :P
09:17 Reactions!!! A carbon copy of what THE BEAST did against Arturo Sanchez before. So SICK!!!
I actually really fucking love matches like this, just looking at every little move.
@pinot223 He didnt use Yun as a last resort. They were planning to do a set with Daigo using Ryu only and another using Yun only.
Anyone gt the link to the match Seth says about Daigo vs Iyo, where aparently Daigo does the cr.Fierce to Super from across the screen?
I don't think the twins are overpowered because they have their openings. The problem is that many players are inexperienced with the match up and instead of learning from their mistakes they complain for a patch.
I'll be honest, Yun was one the second characters I picked up and I prefer him over Yang because he fits my style of play. However, learning how to use Yun effectively isn't easy and not every match up is walk in the park.
@jonhyj go to "Options" and enable "Arrange Music".
@RedaSan Actually no it's a 6-4 match for Dhalsim over Ryu in Super. This is AE, a tier chart hasn't even been drawn up yet. But all the prominent Japanese players, have Ryu and Sim in the same teir class (B/upper low tier). Yun's God tier S rank, and the best character in the game just because of his offence that Sim has no answer for. You just saw a team shoto mirror in MVC2 then the looser countering w/ MSP mag/strm/psy. This is not a testament to Daigo's skill, Yun's a broken character
I'm a Tekken player but I don't know why I love watching high level SF Fights. HAHAHAHA! Some of my Tekken friends find this video boring and I totally disagreed! THIS IS GAMING!
hell yea, i suck at sf4 but i love watching these vids.. i wish i was anywhere as good lol
Except that zoning permits Hakan a lot of freedom to oil up and mount an attack on considerably better terms than he is able to manage against most characters.
It's not productive to state that Sim wins if he is able to successfully zone, particularly if you're not considering what his opponent might want to do. Against Sagat, for instance, Sim cannot win by zoning. This isn't because Sagat is a better character, per se, but Sagat's design and moveset allow him to beat Sim's zoning options.
@91zax so you can abuse it in online play? i've already seen 2 people doing the infinite, the main problem is that its very easy to do and there is no damage scaling, comparing to the tough fuerte infinite string. I hope they patch it as soon as possible :(.
love the commentary
Daigo was like, "hmmmmm, I wonder if I can do 4 medium punches in one combo. Lemme try this shit out!"
What is a concept match?
So satisfying to see him owned like that.
Yun is high tier in 2012, and Kazunoko and others still use him.
@Tr1Qzz agreed. Good Sim sniping skills. But with characters like Yun and Yang, he needs to switch characters or get steamrolled.
Daigo never lost a battle using Yun against a Dhalsim in Japan? Wow, FC is really something to make Daigo lose a round!
Very nice sim alota mix ups usually sim beats all shotos hands down bt daigo. Loves footsies
Really really great match. Such smart players
Wow...That Yun is a Beast! The difference is like night and day!
@reemashuko I see what you mean , Yun is preety powerful, and I main SIM and Ryu, so I know how frustrating it can be to fight Yun with Sim. At this point F Champ has to do what Daigo has done before COUNTERPICK. He has sub, Maybe Guile
@knutitup what u mean, isnt the matchup in dims faver?
Dhalsim professional players, accept it or not, like it or not, always have the advantage fighting Ryu professional players. It is as simple as that. Daigo is just an exception, he is incredible, I've been following these tournaments (like most of you here) and I've seen reactions, moves and reads ONLY he can do. Now, with the Arcade Edition, Daigo has the change to play a character who is able to deal with Dhalsim limbs, and THAT'S what happens! FChamp only have a BIG mouth, and that's it.
@Illaguila he switched to yun because that was the point of the "concept match". *read the title*
Kudos to the commentators. Really good stuff.
Love the HEY!!! chants during the Genei Jin
the beast....is unleash with yun LOL. Fighting Games Rocks!! period
Watching this in glorious HD.
Those last 5 minutes...
@kokiri2003 I think he did the same thing to Arturo's Sim once but I can't remember what event it was.
@royfancoolguy To be fair to Flipino Champ, they did say that daigo hasn't ever even lost a round to a dhalsim, and Champ at least managed to win one round, so at worst its 9-1 match up
man that is so crazy, I don't play this game so don't judge lol
is that a crouching fierce punch into ultra or light shory into ultra?
Epic concept match, @DeeFlowRadio
I think Daigo was just seeing if he could beat him with Ryu. I think he knew his Yun would take care of FC
yun is a beast and yang is a beast.. just from watching martial art shit they are just ill to watch
This isn't really sound reasoning. The tier standings you're referring to are almost all based upon a comparative analysis of how every character matches up with every other character. True, a matrix of character matchups shows that Hakan, compared to the rest of the cast, has an overwhelming number of bad matchups. However, calling Hakan the "worst" is a gross oversimplification. Just because he has the most disadvantageous matchups doesn't mean he doesn't also have good matchups as well.
How come at 21:36 it suddenly changes to a MvC3 match?
Seth Killian's commentary is so good.
These are great matches!
Man Daigo smiling, where I was I when he started doing that.
lol yun says "you should try skateboarding, it'll do wonders for your balance". yea that balance is really working out for ya
Obviously Yun was very strong at the time, but just based on their character concepts and strengths, Yun seems likes a much better matchup for Sim than Ryu was, even if Ryu didnt suck in this version he'd probably still struggle.
@AlphaQSilly Did you not see the extremely close Ryu/Sim match?
@plukoman64 it's an option select super, if c.hp didnt hit, super wouldnt come out
Agreed. That damn Yun when he was overpowered back in 2011. It's cheap. I'm clad champ took a round from him at least!
@reemashuko Didnt Daigo also use Yun and Ken in SF3??
Because he plays more defensive w/Ryu. Which would you rather play?
this really show Daigos progression...
Omg this is Ben years ago but he’s amazing
damn...daigos yun is crazy.....at the gamestop finals he did a shoryu then super not crouching HP then super.
BTW, This set is a perfect example of what changed in AE
@Triplethreat99 Well, Daigo is extremely good with Ryu. He's mained Ryu for years. SF4 was released in 08 so Daigo's had lots of time with Ryu. So, that was to be expected. However, Yun was just released for SF4, and it's easy to just walk all over people with him. I've seen the matches with skilled players and I've seen players pick him for the first time and do serious damage with him. Yun is overpowered. I'm not necessarily mad at Daigo for playing Yun 'cause that's who he likes. *continues*
@RedaSan Great point RedaSan. Daigo is on a whole different level. =]
That made me mad. It just shows how broken Yun is. However, their Dhalsim vs Ryu matches were amazing. Also, this just shows how great of a player Champ is 'cause he's the only person to have ever won a round against Daigo using Yun with Dhalsim.
Woooo! Baby! Go Daigo!
3-2 when Daigo fights on a 4-6/3-7 match-up taking 20mins
3-0 when Daigo fights on a 7-3/8-2 match-up taking 5mins
@MrSuRpRiS33
Every character needs a certain amount of skill to use, no matter how viable they are. Yun isn't a win button.
Feel sorry for Champ. He did great against his Ryu. Then Daigo just abuses how broken AE is a tears him apart with one of the twins. Ergh.
champ does very well with dhalsim but diago's yun is pretty frikin awesome as we clearly saw.
wow first match with ryu and sim was fun to watch. but 2nd match O_O. yun is crazy lol
@shindean So you're one of those rushdown Dhalsims?
@Halibut86 I didn't find the Ryu/Sim matches boring at all.