Dolphin Shopping Centre Lifts / Elevators, Poole Dorset
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2019
- Lifts at the Dolphin Shopping Centre, Poole, Dorset. Originally called the Arndale Centre, and built from the late 1960s onwards in several stages.
Other than the'upgraded' controls, these lifts are mostly original ones from the 1970s, made by Bennie Lifts.
All video recorded on 29 January 2019. Posters advertising the Christmas Park & Ride scheme from over a month earlier were still present in most of the stairways. Some of these can be seen in the video.
Location postcode is BH15 1SQ.
Whether the announcement at 18:57 is up or down depends on what device you listen to the audio on.
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Why am I watching someone taking lifts up and down in a dilapidated shopping centre? Oh, it is with John Ward :)
There is only one person on CZcams that could pull this off.........well done John Ward!
@@IanScottJohnston
I think Big Clive might be another.
@@bdf2718 and beano lifts
Yeah you should be watching them ON TOP of the lifts, perhaps with some counterweight surfing. Bonus would be driving a crane!
When I first saw the thumbnail, I thought he may have been given access to the motor rooms!
It's not a car park lift if there is no urine or disinfectant smell.
....don't forget the druggie needles!
On a Sunday night my anxiety prevents me from sleeping for hours... I'm saving this for later. Thank you John, you're saving an entire section of the population from diazepam addiction. Love you. Keep up the good work.
Seriously... Thank you.
I worked on the lifts in the power station where I was an electrical fitter in the 80's and 90's before they were upgraded and look after by contractors. It was all good old relays, contactors and mechanical proximity switches! The control circuit drawings were like street maps of London and I remember many hours of head scratching finding faults! Rescues of staff stuck in the lifts were also a regular occurance! Happy days!
Nice one John , my late uncle worked for Bennie lifts in the 70s repairing breakdowns in and around Manchester and he used to let me go with him during the school holidays which I really enjoyed , thanks for the memories....👍
Not quite sure what the actual point of this video was.
What I did find interesting, as a lift test engineer and being in the industry for 47 years, was that despite the neglected state of the shopping centre, all the lifts had been upgraded to a reasonable later standard and all of them were actually working. The only one that appeared to cause a delay could have been in use on car preference control (goods control), or had the doors being blocked on another floor, a common occurrence with public use lifts.
The lift announciator definitely said lift going down but, like so many of these generic third party voice boxes, the quality of the recording and speaker system leave a lot to be desired.
The floor levelling issue on one of the lifts was not two inches (50mm) out of level either, it was probably no more than an inch (25mm) at most, the variations always look worse than they actually are because of the running clearance gap that accentuates the distance, this is a common issue with people's perception of poor lift levelling accuracy. But, nonetheless, it was still a tripping hazard and should have been addressed during maintenance.
A lift's carrying capacity is another misconception. The number of people it can carry is simply an indication of what the total load should be. The actual load capacity is shown in Kgs, which is based on the load evenly distributed over the available floor area of the lift but, because it is hard to perceive how that equates in real terms, the one person equals 75Kg rule is applied to lifts which indicates what a given load might look like which, invariably, suggests a very cosy ride for that number of people. You have just got to hope they all like being that upfront and personal.
Although some of the door operators were in need of adjusting, the likelihood of becoming entrapped in them was a little over exaggerated. It could clearly be seen that the door safety edge and anti-pinch devices were fully functional and, although they might have given a passenger a bit of a nudge, it was highly unlikely that an injury would have been sustained from coming into contact with any of the doors whilst in motion. However, the last little slam of the doors seen in a couple of shots should be of concern to the centre manager, as a child's finger could certainly be hurt if they were to be holding onto the leading edge of the door at that point in their travel. But it's nothing that proper maintenance couldn't resolve.
The various different floor designations and split floor levels is hardly the fault of the lift manufacturer either, it's the architect who designed the building that created the issue and the inevitable headache for the lift installation company who had to accommodate the arrangement into the design of the lifts.
And the comment about the glass hydraulic scenic lift being "a load of old junk" rather exposes the lack of understanding involved in the selection of certain lift types for particular locations. Lift companies do not by nature sell unsuitable lifts for certain environments, in such a relatively small industry, it would be business suicide to do so. Some lifts are certainly of lower quality than others, but the drive type is not an indication of the actual quality of the lift, it simply reflects the needs of the client and the specifics of its location.
These lifts clearly did need some TLC but, like so many public area lifts, their exposure to abuse and harsh treatment means that maintenance and service quality is always on the back foot and the down time to accommodate the necessary adjustments is often sacrificed to just keeping the lifts operational.
All that said though, for a fully automatic transport system with no human intervention other the pushing of a button to make them "go", lifts are actually a lot more reliable and dependable than their continual bad press suggests.
Good point. They were all working.
Must say at times I found JW a little harsh. Poole may not be Nirvana but coming from Rochdale it seems quite nice.
I know what’s wrong with them, they are not Mitsubishi or Kone! Just kidding but those poor lifts are abused every day it’s no wonder they have a few issues. Just like the lifts at my hotelI am staying at! They must be operating all year and the cleaners seem to give them a lot of abuse.
Arrgh, you're taking all the fun out of it. I'm not here for an expose on the quality of Poole's lifts. It's all about the delivery.
Adam Antly Mind you Kabul is better than Rotherham.
Interesting insight to these machines. The one at my work, installed in the 1950s at the height of an Art Deco revival must have had an incredible looking interior for the car. To this day you can still make out the decoration in the threshold of the heavy aluminum casting shows remnants of its former glory. Sadly it has not been cleaned in the 25yrs i've worked there. The tracks the doors run along through it are full of filth and even the odd broken heal from a shoe on one floor... A part of me wants to get down there and sort it.. for some weird reason!
Definitely the best Dolphin Shopping Centre Lifts video I have watched through this evening.
Many thanks JW.
John is definitely going up in the world, this video is on another level! 😁
In the process of rebuilding an old variac and it was great fun loosely watching and listening to this in the background. Shame the video isn’t 4+ hours long! I enjoy these type of videos you should make more John. ✅
"Manky old lifts".... pauses video, makes tea, grabs biscuits, clicks play.
You seem to have a more of a disliking to the older Bennie lifts, however I think they are ever so interesting! The reason why they are still in operation after however many years is because the build quality of these lifts is INCREDIBLE. They are built to last. They are incredibly reliable.
These old lifts are sadly dying out. The building owners modernise or replace them, expecting them to get better and they ALWAYS regret it. They are so reliable, works all the time, yet when they are replaced or modernised then they become more unreliable due to the cheap modern day lift equipment being so poorly made. You actually encountered this as the replaced lift display wasn't working in one of the lifts, despite it being several decades younger than the lifts (which still work). The door problem could be solved with a bit of lubrication. If the lift stops working, a bit of compressed air on the relays and its back up and running. I find them so interesting because I was terrified of them when I was younger. I understand that they don't comply with disabilities as well as modern equipment, but they are part of the heritage in a building in my opinion which isn't considered by building owners or local councils.
I can confidently assure you that the lift at the start of the video in the sports direct will not last HALF as long as these lifts already have. Its so depressing!!! No consideration of heritage.
Very well said!
When I was small, I always thought that lifts were like teleporters but when I heard my mam say the opposite of that I stayed quiet
When we went back into the main centre I could almost hear vaporwave playing. Loving your videos John.
This will go down as a classic! Cant believe i watched a lift video but as ever JW is compelling!
Braver man than me John, using those lifts!
Have you ever beeen on a paternoster lift ?
There used to be one at Newcastle University, but that was in the 80s .. it has long gone now.
It was great fun to use .. no lift doors at all and the actual lifts never stopped moving.
I never thought the day would come where I am watching a lift appraisal video. Snappy lifts!!
This lift video is strangely addictive! Can’t believe the Dolphin centre is still open!
'slaw bee' that made me laugh out loud! I love your dry sense of humour JW. Not sure what I just watched but onwards and upwards fella ;-)
My mate worked as a maintenance guy in a main district hospital until recently. He was stuck in lifts so many times that he always takes the stairs now!
Well.thats part of my life I cannot get back
I realise now, that I have been spending my weekends in the wrong way these days. Reminds me of many happy days playing Wolfenstein 3D!
why have i just watched this twice in a row...!! Think I was hypnotised there abit... well done JW....
The obsession with lifts in shopping centres continues...
I remember watching ET in the cinema across the road way back in 1982 :)
Next door was the Seldown School for boys.
The school had a bit of a reputation, so when the boys came out of school at the end of the day and piled into the shopping centre to get their fish & chips etc the shoppers would make a hasty exit from the area until the boys dispersed and went home.
I'm amazed the shopping centre is still standing!
JW: "No I wasn't Officer. I am a CZcamsr making a video about old lifts."
3.50 .. "a set of stairs, which you can ALSO use to go downstairs to the bottom level..." Classic !
Outside! 😱❤😁 Huzzah. Cheers JW!
18:57 Lift actually says going DOWN!
Fire Doors propped open with cones. At least they're not using fire extinguishers.
Primark is active in most european countries and in the US (but they've got only 9 stores there). When I travel by underground here in Frankfurt you can see mostly women which visited Primark, every single one of them carrying several of the Primark paper bags stuffed full with clothes. They'll wear the clothes mostly only once because if you try to wash them the clothes will propably only fit a Barbie doll afterwards. They've got 28 shops here in Germany.
awful stores
@@maicod I don't know, I was never in one. But I can imagine...and a colleague told me that it was really awful inside. He had to go there with his daughter. How girls are at their early 20s, with almost no income because they're college students...but the closet must be full with clothes, even if they're absolute crap like the Primark clothes. What a waste of ressources...
Great video John
I've always loved grotty shopping centres like that. Actually the shopping centre doesn't look that grotty, but the car park looks pretty grotty.
Yeah this is my local shopping centre
@@ArthursLiftAdventures Cool!
@@ArthursLiftAdventures I want to live there now. XD
@@EverydayEverything360 lol, you probably better where you live as Poole which is owned by Bournemouth has massive drug, chav and crime problems it's a shithole you got people walking with knifes even at the bus station below the dolphin centre it really is not a nice place to live like people try and say it is
5:29 Ground... floor... Doors opening! I love this voice!
Same here! I love the male Stentorgate voice! Way better than the female Stentorgate voice!
Wolfenstien 5:20 ...6:50 this is the sound of the doors in Wolfenstien ... I was waiting for the "HALT THERE"...the video work was reminiscent of the game too especially the blocky figures ...added to the atmosphere.
Reminds me so much of 'The Broadway' shopping centre in Bexleyheath (sarf eest London) they could almost be twins.
Great vid.
I think the first JW video I saw was a lift video, I don't know why I watch them but I still do.
I'm not sure what I've learned electrically but I'd certainly avoid Poole in future.
Jonathan Tatler lol
Dont nice beaches
If security was actually watching any of the cameras positioned around those lifts, they must have been scratching their heads wondering what the hell you were up to!!
Hello, I'm JW!
John Ward the legend
Yes lift quality is not something you go there for :) Never had problems with card payment though but I am not a very frequent visitor, living in south Dorset, so could just be luck.
The lifts at the Quayside carpark are just as bad.
Would add that there are not that many empty units considering the current state of the retail market, though Beales (one of it's flagship stores) it a little run down in places (ceiling esp.).
And that door to the side (kind of looking out to the train station) seems to always be open mainly so that if you do use the stairs from the shoppers no. 1 car park you can still easily enter the Dolphin Centre the lift in the same area was out of use for a while last year, but it still seems like it needs some work. The corridor is great though, great to walk though with a combination heavy foot steps and the insane level of echo.
That was so uplifting! I see that the quality of your videos is definitely going up😀
From the outside I didn't expect it was a shopping centre. It looked more like a school or a prison.
The voice on that second lift sounds like a former continuity announcer on Yorkshire Television. I think it is the late Graham Roberts.
As you know that old lifts had a bumper and new lifts have a beam sensor
I have a feeling that you've blown your chances of getting a job with the Poole Tourist Information Centre...
Those talking lifts always make me think of Scotty in Star Trek 3... "Up your shaft!"
years ago I visited Poole and surroundings and stayed on a camping near the amazing Durdle door sea rock
I think you should start a 2nd channel with just this content. You could call it "Lift Twitchers with J Wizzle"!
I keep expecting to see something else about this mall, then I remember the video title.
By the way 'the lift going up' sounded like 'down' to me at first, then I listened again and it sounded like 'up' ... Then, 'down'! I can't make my mind up. I'm listening on a high resolution audio system too.
Except it sounds more like 'down'. I hear it as that all the time now.
14:08 that tiny one is a bit creepy looking how its kind of tucked away like that
I have to admit. Lifts can be the most terrible of public facilities in many places. We've entered an era where their owners pay as little as possible on maintenance in the rush to protect profits. At my place of work built in the 1950s we have six floors. 2 sets of lifts once served the staff and an endless stream of visitors. One lift completely failed to the point its now de-commissioned. The other (the original installed in the 1950s when constructed) has failed multiple safety codes but is still being used. The firm spent thousands tarting the car up with wizzy LED subdued lights and inlaid coloured mood photo images plus an LCD panel that shows the floor level which switches to the company logo integrated into the switch panel. Recently the firm changed it's Branding and all hell broke because it was imperative to spend over $12,000 to have the LCD logo display updated.
i am waiting to see Dan Bell walking around the corner any moment...
Great lift video. Really enjoyed seeing Poole laid bare. Good socio-mechanical documentory. Is this the start of a series; lifts by manufacturer?
18:20 poor security camera pointed at the wall.....it has been a bad bad camera. LMFAO!!!
"Bloned Four"
"Slaw Bee"
Bennie Lifts...a budget lift company from the1900's and bought out by Kone in 1986. simple engineering that lasted for years.
Looks like over the years the retrofits have been done by Kone, Schindler and Otis, from the button styles used. Bet they all still have original controllers in most part, or at least the original motors, gearboxes and shafting, but with retrofit only being controller and control panel upgrades.
Twisted shaft is kind of expected, because a realign of the shaft will be pretty expensive, but guide shoes are pretty cheap as a service part, even if you have to use a hacksaw to make them fit your particular shaft when needed. You can tell as well that those guides are pretty worn, from the shudder some of those made on travel though, going through the rough points left from emergency brake application over the decades that has not been adequately smoothed off.
Door pivots are all pretty worn, but as the parts are now only made "as per sample", or grab from the pile of "good, mostly well abused, and salvaged from old buildings as the wrecking ball approached" parts heap if you can. Par for the course, lifts are expensive to maintain properly, and most owners are only going to do the minimum required by the act to pass inspections and insurance.
If I remember correctly you previously made a video of a 1 to 3-phase converter for a lift motor. Do you repair lifts in your profession? Would it be possible for you to shoot a video in a machine room?
Ooh outside!
And nothing caught on fire!
The big question JW, is was ya wearing ya Hoodie bro?.
Or "may I be so bold to enquire, as to did your valet prepare a suitable upper body garment with a wonderful head cloth covering device with curious lanyard type silk cords"?
Your obedient servant.
Well, in places it certainly looks like an Arndale. Bennie were taken over by Kone in 1986. Odd I heard a few lifts "double chime" when stopped to go down, but none chimed at all to go up, I think.
I use lifts quite a lot as stairs are uncomfortable for me and impossible for my partner. The worst ones I can remember were at Cannock Market Hall in the 1970s. Prior to the opening of Mac Market there in 1979, it was not unknown to have to use some quite frankly awful stairs, especially if you were at the Market Hall Street end, due to lifts failing. Mac Market brought one, eventually two new lifts, now the main lifts for Cannock Shopping Centre.
Next week's episode: JW's tour of south Dorset pylons. I'd watch it.
Be careful what you wish for.
John Ward Lift Tours: Book NOW! Book EARLY! Space limited to 20 (Slim) 10 (not slim) people. Tours start at 10.am on the ground floor; coffe break at the cafe - if it's not closed down - at 11.am. Free time 12 noon to 2.pm - walk around the shops and bag a bargin, or amble (in a non-suspicious way) on the upper deck car-parks (weather permitting). Afternoon tour of empty shops begins at 2.15pm sharp! Be there or be dished! Highlight of the day - see the secret toilet roll store (at end of tour). Terms and conditons apply, lifts may not be working, no shops may be open. Not suitable for wheelchairs or the disabled.
Have you been watch beno lifts?
The third set of lifts shown in the video are actually original, just with updated fixtures. Notice how abrupt the stops are compared to the others due to the original controllers in use and the noisy motors.
Retail shops are still very much alive in Bristol and Bath, Norwich, it seems that the seaside towns are in the biggest decline.
A random maze of ugly corridors with all the beauty, coherence and usability we have come to expect from the "Drunk child with a box of Lego" school of architecture. I expect it won many awards for its "exciting and innovative" design.
ealing broadway arcadia centre had a lift I loved in the 80s. It seemed so American to me just because it was glass all round. No longer live there so no idea if its changed.
There must be a security guard watching the days camera footage thinking.....What the hell is this guy doing going up and down in all of our lifts? Is he a lift inspector?
no he's the guy applying 10 times the voltage on them to see if they contain durable wiring ;)
The HSBC Bank building you showed briefly at 5:57 scares the crap out of me every time I see it. I wonder who designed it and why.
looks a bit like dungerness powerstation side on
Barclay's building.
@@joinedupjon agreed had a magnox look about it.
Something fascinating about crap architecture and the evolution of poor maintenance.
And in the local south news, suspicious looking Poole man gets arrested after being found loitering in lifts with a camera, talking to himself! 😅😅
Is John Ward turning in to Beno Lifts now?
No lift doors will chop anything off. Should have used a stick or summat to check the sensor that stops amputations!
When train spotting loses it's magic it's time to dust off the anorak, up the game and get into some hard-core lift exploring. Actually the kind of stupid stuff I did as a kid from the era of these lifts.
This shopping centre was originally called the Armadale centre when built in the 1960’s and the building of it destroyed our lovely original High Street and shops!
Looking at the state of this place, I think you were terribly short-changed!
Thought you were about to whip out your screwdriver at any moment to effect a repair.
Cool.
2:38 THE BELLS!
clearly some need to stop users dozing off in that particular lift
Lol that's a good reason to have them actually!
14:00 that lift's door is the same as in my apartment building, but the lift is twice as deep! =3
Well that’s 24 odd minutes of my life I’ll never get back. Weren’t you feeling dizzy after all those lift rides John¿
Strange video JW it must have its ups and downs being a lift engineer 🤔
Have you been watching Beno lifts John?
I do hope JW's ok!
John this was one of the strangest videos...I enjoyed it a lot? Why?
I thought those old lifts looked super quality, lovely stainless and well engineered. Those doors must have had, I guess 10 million operations. No wonder they creaked.
If it came to it, mind, it would be difficult to explain why you were hanging about in the lifts.
I guess they have a sane policy where the lift won't stop operating until people on it have had a chance to exit it/maybe doors will still open on the floor its at... but I'd like to imagine it not being like that. The sign at 7:20 claims limited lift operational hours, would be funny if there was a hard cutoff after that time and the lift is stuck between floors with people on it.
"LIFT OPERATION TIMES ARE AS FOLLOWS MON TO SAT 8:45 AM TO 8:00 PM
LIFTS ARE NOT IN OPERATION SUNDAY & BANK HOLIDAYS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOOD FRIDAY"
I'd be curious to see what would happen to say... a hotdog/other similar sausage with a 3-4mm diameter round wooden rod inserted meeting one of the snapping lifts. I suspect they'd go squish and depending on the angle probably also snap the wooden rod.
Wonder when this was videoed. At 10:26 there is a poster for xmas park&ride. Or maybe the workers are just too lazy to take it down.
Recorded end of January 2019. The posters should have been removed at least a month earlier.
The park and ride is another farce - a purpose built car park miles away on a road that's almost impossible to get to (you have one chance to make the correct turn) and even then is only of use if approaching the area from the west.
Cost millions to build, and for years has only been used on the 4 Saturdays immediately before Christmas.
have a look "Deviant Ollam & Howard Payne - Elevator Hacking" at DEF CON 22.
czcams.com/video/oHf1vD5_b5I/video.html (is the video)
Is everyone in Poole participants from Mine craft ???
tent huh
Most of your vids are great and really useful. I'm struggling to see the point of this one though.
Toilet paper will be the main curency when the apocalyps happens
Only in the west
@@mixerfistit5522 You know the sad thing is you are correct.
That'll be the 29th of March then!
TheEPROM9 damn ur right lol
oh where to begin.1rst bennie axial bearing on a reductor is busted ( loud sound during operation), dors on these machines are almost good as you can get them. wear and tear most of the times is not cost efective to repair. landing misalighment, brake needs tuning or slow contactors,magnetic positioning sensors and relay reaction times are most common cause. bent door panels or delamination of decorative metal sheet from the door panel or worn out sliders on the door panels ( squeling sound during operation). . misaligned guide rails. cabin door mechaism smacking on to level door mechanism during the movement of the cabin .i could continue but i would have to watch again . NO. anyway really good overhaul is necesery. oh yes old cabin doors usualy have spring loaded mechanism which separates door panel from the rest of the door mechanism in case somebody gets stuck. in 10 years i never saw or heard that somebody was injured by the elevator doors. if the elevator had an overhaul there should be some type of foto sensor on them. nice spy video 😎😂😂
"0th" floor LOL
I want to see JW surf it.
DieselDucy and ElevaTOURS has got competition!!
What to do. . . if you have someone on the outside with a lift door access key to rescue you, is when the lift doors are closing, let them close, the lift will move a couple of feet, then from inside the lift, give the the doors a good hard shoulder.
In lifts of that age this will (can?) cause the lift to stop and for the inside doors to open in between floors.
Obviously you should never do this as the lift moves up as when the lift stops and the inside doors open you would be able to access the opening mechanism (usually a lever) for the outside doors and climb down. So, don't do this.
are you in the uk or us
would you ever be using lift keys like beno does anytime soon
No, illegal and dangerous won't be seen here.
@@jwflame that first lift looks like a tin can it is so cheap have you seen my channel i been installing electrical things aswell its fun taking stuff apart
@@jwflame Well said!
Hey John if you like lifts it's worth taking a look at beano lifts on CZcams 👍
JW should do a travelogue.
All that lovely #concrete...
I always thought Poole was an up market area with million pound properties all over. Guess I was wrong :-(