Mind Body & Kick Ass Moves Knockout Wing Tsun Leung Ting Sam
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- Mind Body & Kick Ass Moves - Fighting skills with Wing Tsun GM Leung Ting. The Grandmaster showcases
the full on scrapping art of Wing Tsun and we meet Sammo Hung.
A unique clip from the August Productions/ BBC series that looks at the myths and reality in martial arts showcasing various forms, secret skills, ancient knowledge, and hidden techniques from all over the East. Screened by the BBC across the UK and also on Discovery channels across Europe, Middle East and Africa and as Mind, Body & Kickin Moves on FSN, the Fox Sports Network, across the United States.
The DVD of the original BBC series is available online at Amazon and www.willhenshaw.com.
Shot on location in a Hong Kong. Thank you Grandmaster Leung Ting and Sammo Hung.
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"What will happen to him?"
"Who care??? he's an enemy!!" LFMAO
that's the best line here
bruce's biceps were big(for his size) and strong but still retained incredible speed. So, I dont believe it would have ever hindered him in a wing chun fight. Sure as hell never appeared like it in the numerous wing chun demonstrations.
Mind Body & Kickass Moves is the best martial arts series I've ever seen.
I believe Bruce Lee has moved away from Wing Chun by the time he presented us with Jeet Kune Do, which was practically a combination of multiple martial arts----which was, I would prefer to say, making adjustments to different situations, as "water would to any container". The ripped/cut muscles helped a lot in the roles he played in the movies----and it sure means he worked hard. But it was not Wing Chun anymore.
He added freedoms and tools but wing Chun is still the core.. still the essence of it's structure..
Cheers. Thanks for the reply. Makes a bit more sense now.
and don't forget to keep your shoulders square. less reach, but more power.
Biceps are still useful in martial arts for grappling and quick retraction for blocking punches/ kicks aimed at ur face etc
Depends on where your strengths and weaknesses lie. Do what works for you in your size, strength speed and agility. But either way the best way to win a fight is to avoid fighting :)
Leung Tings merit is just the following: documentation of all different movements in wingchun, systematizing the way of teaching the Yip-Man-"style" and minimalisation of the six sets.
Everyone I know having met and crossed hands with him said the same: "running into him is like running into a curtain"
Kevin Picton
No. What I was "saying" is to be read in my comment. What You are saying is: "I don't know much about wing chun outside the Yip-Man narrative"
Leung Ting does not glorify Yip Man, he openly changed teachings, invented new training methods (and stated that as it were) and he even developed his own 'set' of the double knife (bart cham do).
He never was so foolish to call his system Yip-Man-wingchun - for a good reason.
All the people who met him personally, claim he is a great master of his art, and his lineage of wing tsun is the most efficient.
thank u samo 4 beenig 4 us
Nice
the difference is the overloading: your body will never compress your spine as the barbell does. Chinups, dips, pushups, bodyweight rows, tricep extensions, sissy squats, jumping squats, and many other bodyweight exercises make up a solid workout routine YOU'RE RIGHT, I LOVE THEM! I do them everyday and these are a good training
He's certainly one heck of a guy.
Did WingChun for 9 years and can be effective when you know how. I’m aware that beginners tried to fight like Bruce Lee, Donnie Yen or Leung Ting. Independent fighting can result in useless techniques and possibly unnecessary injuries. So overall it would be better to avoid being rigid by learning to understand footwork to be competent in self defence. Not easy but achievable. Different physical drilling for each level can be maintained but it takes too long to learn if students only have 2 hours per week to train. It will be like learning to be a jack of all trades than a one effective simplified self defence.
very different buddy. I'm glad you chose that school, I admire that school alot.
Mike Tyson's punch measures 1200 PSI or pounds per square inch, Bruce Lee's measures 2000 psi. Bruce said himself that when you punch you keep your arm relaxed until the last second, on impact you snap your arm (around 2-3 inches behind your target). meaning his bulked up biceps wouldn't hinder his punches.
(assuming facts are right, there from a national news website, and National Geographic)
My middle school gym teacher taught me about the triceps v.s biceps thing
@sparwood8 that heavy set guy is Sammo Hung. Bolo Yeung was the guy who played Van Dam's nemesis in bloodsport.
You need total body fitness to perform any martial art. Imbalance in strength between the bicep and tricep can mess your arm up. Wing Chun has great striking principles, but sometimes you just gotta throw that left hook in a persons blind spot. Ya know?
@IMBW89 You are totally correct.
Uh....If this style is anything like Wing Chun, it focuses on centerline and the forward motion right? In that case, you don't "retract", you drive forward. Thrust your centerline forward and launch another attack. True, strong bodyframe is very important....I would recommend you get in shape. A strong body does not mean a tensed body. Strong and relaxed is what you want.
i just wonder,if i don't do weight training,can i do bodyweight training,like push up or pull up???for wing chun??
There is a reason in all of those movements and forms. Bruce himself learned only basics of Wing Chun, so he really included in jkd what he knew in wc and other styles. When you practice wc/wt much, you find a great sense in all you are doing, and it starts to actually improve all your movements and actions in life. No one feels movements naturally from the beginning, you have to be patient and open-minded to start understanding principles. Ofc, if jkd works better for u, stick 2 it :)
good point :)
but i think his point is that triceps increase punching power and biceps pulling power
but i see what you;re saying
but if you have decent strength and speed i assume you can get out a grip and quickly hit especially if it is a no rules fight rather than a cage fight
@Samboussr is it useful as self defense?
@Samboussr Che significa well round it?
what's the correct method to throw a wing chun punch,i've been trying to figure it out but seems i'm i failed,how to punch as fast as wing chun practitioner did???
Looks like an underworld secret society.
@sparwood8 No. You're thinking about Bolo Yeung. Samo Hung worked with Jackie Chan alot.
Iam a fan of the Wing chung, is one of the best styles of Kungfu, with the shaolin, hungar, wudao, etc.
@Lucitaur Good explanation dude. :)
What is the name of the music used in this?
@EBB47 He's saying the biceps dont help the punch because the biceps purpose is to contract the arm quicker. Theyre saying that the triceps are the main aspect when DELIVERING a powerful punch, not taking it back. The sifu is saying people tense up the biceps when punching which doesnt help anything.
@shiest13 I think what they were saying is that biceps aren't really needed in a fight, it's the triceps. Most people having big biceps would tend to abuse them, so they just say that it's detrimental to your punching ability to have them. Bruce lee did have muscles that the wing tsun trainer considered beneficial to punching power (have you seen him flex his lats?) I think the show just misunderstood what he was trying to say.
stop trolling, start training, dudes
I agree with the car analogy but big biceps doesn't mean that your punch would be less powerful. It just means that you should completely relax the contraction muscles when you jab (only using the muscles to push). But why the back muscles? Aren't the generally for pulling movements (e.g. rowing)? Wouldn't you have to train the chest with the triceps for the forward power?
it depends which martial art you're talkin' and how much weight do you usually train, in physics large mass=relatively slow moving, I agree with you that properly done with good stretching it may be good, I just guessed from this video that in WC cannot help I don't know since I don't practice WC :)
what does that mean?
upper cuts work primarily the biceps, just like the jab works the triceps, im not so sure about this
see what i noticed is everyone has their versions of wing chun, even those who practiced under Ip man.. and so i guess instead of taking the drills and techniques and trying to make it a little more efficient for your use(maybe lazy) but instead just learn jkd, for it is bruce lee's version of wing chun and when doing it, it feels most natural to me rather than some of the odd movements that most teachers like to elaborate on.. but i find it's better to learn the basics before specific forms..
Now, after all, is Leung Ting a disciple of Grandmaster Ip Man? Ip Man’s eldest son Sifu Ip Chun testified that he had never seen his father teaching pugilism to Leung Ting. This proves that Leung Ting is not a disciple personally-tutored by Ip Man.
They even published books together... No idea why grown up people later in life start fighting each other like kids...
@Samboussr Why is it useless?
Not many ppl know this but did u know Leung Ting is the youngest and last living student of Ip Man besides his two sons...
Samuel kwok and victor khan
Sammo!
Incredible teacher this guy is ..
in the olympics most of the martial artists I mentioned before don't work or they don't usually train mostly with weights, that's fact. period. In some other olympic disciplines I don't know. large mass=slow moving it's physics not an opinion. I agree with you maybe I'm seeing only opposites, I did capoeira and we used to train with (light) weights but they're not the main training and you should compensate with stretching to be really effective.
@JonathanBloggs I agree on that part all this tricep being most important for strong punch is kinda, well, silly.
Boxers have by far strongest punches and they have it with a reason.
Tricep is important for punches used in Wing Chun since they rely on lighting fast and precise punches to weak points (lot of them being neck) witch can be lethal.
That's also reason why you wont see Wing Chun in competitions like K1 since lot of moves are forbidden there and are used by Wing Chun.
the same guy from fight quest
yeh yeeaa yeeeaaahhh chris crapelli.
taken from "a-scandal-of-wing-chun-leung-ting-denounced"
Would have been good if Chris had went to Gary Lam's place
It’s all muscle memory
Flat palm -> temple of someone's head -> KO or Stun.
This isn't a style in which power = bad. This is more of a style in which power isn't required to win. It's a semi decent style but nowhere near the top tier of martial arts.
Off-topic though, zomg Sammo Hung :O.
no waste liftings by leung ting
2:15 AAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
GM my ass.
You need both triceps and biceps. There are times when you lifet your hands upwards, and yes you use more body structire than muscle, but you still need the muscle. Its a great misconception. It is definately not a hinderence having big biceps (wish I had some). In BJJ you do well if you have strength, but you don't need to be a bodybuilder so the same is across all martial arts.
These pathetic arguments people have in these comment sections are sooo stupid. I don't understand why people can't just watch the video and not have a go at someone else's opinion. We all have different opinions. So what, it's not going too change by having a go at that person. Yet again another nice video from Mind, Body and Kick Ass Moves!
@Giovannisenzaterra yes Wing Chun or Wing Tsun, is effective in self defense no doubt, but against a well round it fighter you have no chance.
@intirayami
On April 29, 2010, the conviction was quashed by Court of First Instance Judge Darryl Gordon Saw. Judge Saw ruled that the medical reports did not support Lip's testimony but did support Leung's testimony. Leung was cleared of all charges.[7][8]
just so you know~
im having trouble understanding the difference between wing tsun and wing chun.
Different translation method that is all
training experience. gimme some wing chun guy after 3 years training, that's how long i've been, and we'll see if i "die".
those punches simply would not work anywhere except wing chin training mat.
on a side note, he might have lats, i wonder what about the rest of his posterior chain...
@nentendoboy12 stick to ur nintendo dude there one of the most reliable rifles today
what that man says is true....if u flex ur arm when throwing a punch....it does lose power. I tried it....u have to use ur arm like a pistol whip....just let it loose and dont stiffen.
The style is less important than the practician. Some people are warriors, some will never be. A fist is a fist, you will be efficient whatever you learn if you have a strong mental behind it
u say u need bicepz to pull yur arm back faster, but in wing chun or ving tsun while ur pulling back ur arm towards ur body your other arm is already in the opponents face and vice verser
it's not a myth in the video they just say that in wing tsun (and in many martial arts) it doesn't work, that's all
Would Gary Lam beat Leung Ting in a real fight?
Some asked that if Leung Ting was not Ip Man’s pupil, he was at least Sifu Leung Sheung’s pupil. (in other words, he was Ip Man’s second-generation disciple.) But Sifu Leung Sheung declared that neither was Leung Ting his disciple. The Sihing of the Wing Chun School Leung Sheung said at the press conference: “I have a disciple called Chong Pei, Leung Ting has followed Chong Pei to learn kung fu.”
2:17
"Leung Ting- the brains behind the leading brand of Wing Tsun... "
I guess that is true. He's the brainiest marketer in Europe.
Doesn't make it moral... only true.
wing chun also teaches you dirty tricks to kill some one like strikes to the throat.
he said who cares
It is spelt WingTsun but it is still pronounced Wing Chun.
Dirkjan You really have no clue what you are talking about.
same discussion every time - those who dont do WT say ist shit, those who do say its best ....
hey, i would. to someone with the same experience (say, 3years), come and get it.
not to say that those guys would get smashed by a same weight mma fighter. who, btw, have way stronger posterior chains than these guys can imagine. and for punching, boxing is king since ancient greece.
@wingchunexpert
At time of that post i didn't have much understanding and couldn't really comprehend how much force that was. The numbers posted were me simply relaying information i had read from that national news article. I have done a lot more reading since then, and yes those numbers do seem out of line now. The original news article isn't on the website any more, and the closest thing i could find (about 2min of looking tho) was this page -> rockyourmindbodyspirit.eventbrite(dot)com
@wingchunexpert
What do you know, i found the original article.
3news.co.nz/Kiwi-stuntman-the-most-dangerous-man-on-the-planet/tabid/728/articleID/107251/Default.aspx
Its actually about Glen Levy, and even tho that is a national news website it still sounds wrong.
honestly i would not want to be the ak 47 of punching machins...they jam to often
I know now why they don't use barbells are dumbbells, think swimmer,be water my friend,who said this and why? Then you have your answer he went the wrong way he got injured.
I am not a fan of the triceps quote, because just developing one, regardless of which one, is a bit detrimental and useless, because the muscles are antagonistic, so you sort of need both. That said, I am a fan of wing tsun, and wing tsun is a fan of eskrima =)
Leung ting smokes like a chimney who is he to tell people not to train weights for martial arts
Wing Chun is very effective, but requires more skill and technique. Prize fighters prefer faster methods of learning, and do not focus on such rigorous technique.
Remember that MMA is still primarily a ring sport much like boxing.
well, push ups it's different you use your own body, ever seen a body builder doing martial arts? in the olympics a karate, a judo, a taekwondo player is muscled like a big bodybuilder? 'The muscles of the hips, waist, and back especially help to drive a punch with more power and speed', that's right but if you stay too rigid with the big muscle hard your body will never react rapidly, that's fact.
Bruce's muscles were exactly what is needed for a fight. He was toned and faster and stronger than any wing chun man so what are they talking about?
if there was a Fight Club for girls, it would look like this :D
jackie chun had more bones broken ;)
Isn't Leung Ting considered a fraud?
Obviosuly u can do push ups, they work ur tricep, but shouldnt do much more
That guy was such a pratt.
After watching Leung Ting and his disciples' videos, they only show a few moves without much outstanding real skills. If they had real skills, they would shown already, and no need to advertise on TV every day and look for celebrities to promote them. Look at the students they have taught for many years. , how many of them are good fighters.
HSing I will blast these folks while Thi Chi will throw these guys to the groung
who cares hahahaha love it
No,, UFC is mix martial art!
MMA is more deal with Karate, Judo or Jujitsu, wrestling, and boxing or kick boxing or muay thai!!
Wing Chun is deal with people who on the street like punks or people who are dangerous!
Wing Chun is a quick street take down method!!
i think sifu Wan is better..more practical then LT. Thats why Wan open his school a street up.
er no....big muscle don't help you, strength doesn't equate to big muscles.
@Mangekyou Amateurasu 'JKD' classes don't exist, or at least shouldnt.. Jeet Kune Do is the philosophy of Bruce Lee, basically saying to take what works in different arts and put them together to form your own personal 'art'. 'JKD' is Bruce Lee's, no one else's, ie. it was never designed to be sold as a style by the likes of Dan Inosanto. It's a buzzword for MMA classes these days, so credit it for creating the modern MMA climate. But it's ridiculous to say it's any better/worse than Wing Chun
Wow ... agreed
i think his wing chun is very effective..... against pregnant women !
He used Biu Tse on her …
@shiest13 actually bruce lee was faster without his muscles LOL...
@codeagent47 jkd is true concept of mma bruce lee is the god father of mma ..forever evolving fighter using what works whats efficent tue economy of motion but bruces thoerys are still not ued fightig has not really evolved to far ... to what we are capable as humans we have so much to realise in martial arts ...andersn silva is prob the best him in octavio quentero n acouple others
@JonathanBloggs Not much it seems.
If you did and if you knew how to think for yourself, you wouldn't say nonsense like you do.