The Isle Concept Analysis | Spinosaurus
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Hello everyone, and welcome to another The Isle Concept Analysis! This is a series I will be making for the following weeks where I explore and analyse all the dinosaur concepts that the devs have been releasing since 2020. Today we are going to discuss the Spinosaurus.
Hope you all enjoy the video :)
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Chapters:
Intro 0:00
Original 0:26
Asset 2:11
Concept 3:35
Speculation 5:08
Outro 6:50
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Anyone else concerned for other semi-aquatics that Spinosaurus will share a niche with? Especially other predators like Deinosuchus, Baryonyx, Suchomimus, and others. I imagine Spinosaurus will completely outcompete them and the latter will all become unviable because everyone is going to want to play the Spinosaurus.
Yeah it seems like the only way it would be balanced is if it had a long growth time😭
I personally think it should be a strong fighter, but too slow to chase most creatures, so it will mostly go to scavenging and fishing for food. Either that, or just making it a pseudo apex
How about they have an apex limit on servers? Say, no more than two of each apex at any given time on any server. An apex should be something you never expect to see rather than always see
@@Patrick3183 nah restrictions make games unfun. Jsut give apexes a huge learning curve and skill ceiling where most players will prefer to play the other creatures because they aren’t as difficult. I don’t mean just giving apexes long growth times btw that’s boring.
@@xpertrex5991 since when is the isle “fun”
I wouldn't be THAT worried about Spino.. i mean, every dinosaur concept art in The Isle shows the species that is portraying in a more.. victorious/glorified way y'know, winning every match
indeed but they also show them doing other things, such as resting or taking care of babies, and for spino its literally JUST fighting.
it’s an apex player’s wet dream, and that is not good.
another thing to note is that it provides no real info apart from “it can kill basically everything”
@@duder7396 To be the devil's advocate for 20 seconds or so, the only thing you see it killing are the minmi, the beipis and the anki (possibly the teno, but could be a carcass the spino found). I don't see the deinocheirus getting killed. Sure it got some part of its face shredded and even then, I do think injuries like this would kill a big boi of this caliber. I just see them fighting on even footing (I don't see deino's swing doing this little damage on a spino for example). But again I'm playing devil's advocate here and we can all agree that we almost see 100% fighting on the concept art (excluding the teno cuz he's just eating it).
@@gabrielchavanon4981 but what does this change? It just shows spino fighting or killing things, the only thing it shows that isn’t fighting is eating the teno. Literally all other concept arts had atleast one segment that was dedicated to something not fighting related, yet spino doesn’t apply here. It’s not a good sign, and it gives us very little info on what it will do other than fight things.
@@duder7396 Troodon didn't had a non-fighting related doodle if i'm not wron
Anyone else noticed how the spino is more realistic and far better and even punch said "don't worry about it"when someone on the discord asked why the spino looks better in the concept art
what
@@creakingskull7008 spino looks different in its concept art from its actual model,
Personally I think the concept art spino looks way better, it’s more accurate to the actual spino (not that it matters) while still giving it creative qualities
I’m still amazed how they made it look realistic but also cooler than other Spinosaurus portrayals
They made it look like the JP 3 Spinosaurus for a fan magnet. Same with Omniraptor. “Hey look we have Jurassic Park Dinosaurs!!”
I disagree that the first image shows the spino winning against a deinocheirus. To me it looks like the spino is being bushed back and maybe in that case the use of its front feet is more of a defensive tactic. I also think the deinocheirus's claws were done a little small in that picture. As for the "herbi roll" ability, I dont think thats going to be something all apex predators will be able to do. Spinos have some of the nost developed front legs of the theropod carnivores so being able to flip their prey seems like it will be used by the spinosiridae... I dont see a Trex being able to flip an anky with their little twig arms 🤣
Great video yet again. Nice to hear your voice clearly for a change 😎
Logically speaking, not even Spino should be able to flip an Anky, those things are not only bone dusters, they're super stable animals, turning one around wound be near impossible for a Spino anyways
@@kylehendricksilveralvin5376 logically yes i see your point. Also getting up on an ankys side is going to put you exactly in range of the tail. But I think it would be an intersdting ability for the spino to have and would be a reasonable weakness for the anky. I really hope they give the anky a sort of armour rating when attacked on their backs so their hp pool isnt depleated as fast... which would allow them to be tanky without having to be made unnaturally big.
You mean it’s front arms
@@bazamere weight = health is broken
T-rex arms were surprisingly strong. Although if it was to flip a Ankylosaur it would use it's head. I don't think either should be able to easily flip a Anky though especially not a Spinosaur.
I have been thinking about the overpowered dinosaurs and i think the only real way of balancing them is to have something like primal carnage where not a lot can be alive at the same time. This isn't very satisfying but lets be honest, no matter how hard they make growing them, there will always be multiple apexes roaming around
Reminds me of when Overwatch added the required class slots for teams. Nobody liked that change. If it were applied to the isle, then spawning in as an apex would be incredibly tedious. You would have to wait potentially hours for some apex to die. Because apexes are prized, those slots will always be filled. I'd rather the devs make it almost impossible for lots of apexes to find enough food to naturally limit them. Or when the gore update drops they add a system where large carnivores can only eat part of a carcass. Just like in nature, apex predators eat the easy to access food and leave the rest to smaller animals.
I'm pretty sure this is the first apex dino we got concept art for.
i would love a fishing mechanic, finding a nice pond, chilling with other spinos, terrifying any tiny creature i find, ahhhhh thats the life. and basking, cant forget basking
I think spino would function well like a grizzly bear, if it can catch you you're screwed, but it's not very fast, so most animals can get out of it's way. This forces it to use ambush attacks or go after slow herbivores like anky who are usually impenetrable.
sounds like a deino
@@tymunny except it can run onto land and you, attack from the woodline and brawl with any herbivore who tries to stand it's ground (This last part means it provides a challenge for slow herbivores that usually go unchallenged in fair 1v1's with carnivores).
These videos are very well made. Congrats!
5:43 well if you look at the Deinoch’s left hand you’ll see that it’s heading straight towards the spino’s chest
I hope anky doesnt end up being a punching bag, it should be an extremely difficult challenge for any animal.
My only problem is they show the concept of a dino we wont see in at least 4 years
4 years is quite generous-
@@thunderclanwarrior1253 I know, but that is the fastest I think we could get it
@@ender_z4nd3r83 let's hope! :)
Dang, it takes that many years?
Lol the isle will be dead by then
Theses videos are great, keep up the good work
That’s when you use the rock paper scissor concept, rex has more damage than spino but spino has more armor and giga has more speed than either of them. So you can make it that rex kills spino with higher damage and more mobility, spino out tanks giga with more armor and more damage but giga out speeds and stams rex and can bleed it out
Spino just want to give anky some belly scratches.
I can’t believe this was posted eight days ago- and CZcams never notified me. You’re one of my favorite channels and I didn’t get the notification, but CZcams sure did like to advertise their trivial nonsense!
Great video as always! I very much wished the devs have’d listened to the community and would start producing more substantial concept arts, as well as possibly remodeling the Spino to fit Taps much nicer design, but it seems more and more than the Isle devs refuse to hear us. Shame.
Keep up the great work!
I too did not get a notification, but it was 11 months ago so i wonder why 😔
Their Jurassic Park esque Spino is concerning. One thing I liked about the isle were the mostly anatomically correct dinos and possibly one of the best spinos I've seen, yet now we're being groomed into accepting this movie monster instead that somehow pronates its wrists and flips over an anky with its bare hands.
Jurassic park probably had the most realistic version. It'd literally a sucho on steroids. The whole argument and constant changing of the spino is paleontologists using a mix of sub adult and junior fossils of potentially 5 different species. The complete fossils were all destroyed in ww2. Most now think it wasn't semi aquatic as with its build it would be a slower swimmer than a human and would have a difficult time swimming
New micro? Love it!
I feel like these guys will rock up to an erea and cause havoc until it runs out of food then moves on
tbh i don't think spino will be able to do that stuff to all the apex's. from what i see these concepts are only highlighting the positive traits and 0 bad or negitive traits. So spino prolly is only winning in these sketches the real deal will be way more skill based.
It'll most likely be the "ambush" apex, meaning glass cannon when compared to the other apexes.
It'll likely be an ambush predator. Even if it turns out to be as powerful as it is in Legacy, all it'll do is cause them to be killed on sight as younglings, or ganged up on by other players. Usually a Stego will spank a Deino, but a good Deino has a solid chance of winning. 2 Deinos is even better.
In my honest opinion I think Spino should be completely defensive against other large animals, give it a defensive stance where it can use it's claws to hit a target's head which it wouldn't be able to reach with it's arms without the defensive stance while also keeping it's own head away from the opponent's reach and have the downside be slowness, so it can defend itself against other apexes but can't just chase em swinging it's claws around.
Could also make it's bite incredibly weak for it's size and make the claw attack deal around %70 of the damage a Giga bite does but just slightly faster than Giga bite, this combined with it's higher hp could mean that it can defend itself against the other apexes but loses in a head on fight if it acts aggressive instead of defensive.
I don't think most apexes will have any disadvantages, I think the devs will make it so the apex 1v1s are based on skill or how you use the dino or your tactics
Love the use of the conan exile music
Damn bro, New mic? Such a bassy voice *-*
Hmmm looks like they just expanded spino's aquatic maneuverability, I was quite hoping that he'd be atleast worst in land which would give other medium carnovores and herbivores a chance to escape or out play it.
Man Is it just me or Deinosuchus is just getting bullied by all semi-aquatic carnivores
im pretty sure cera ambushed it, bary just countered its lunge by slamming its jaw shut, and spino also ambushed it
"Man Is it just me or Deinosuchus is just getting bullied by all semi-aquatic carnivores"
i was thinking about that too and realised that the map/rivers RN are for the most part not deep enough for anything else than deinosuchus so im pretty sure when bigger semi-aquatics are added like Spino , there will be some lakes on the map for them so they dont really share the same areas
They said spino won't be much of a swimmer, it'll walk on the bottom like Hippos.
Deino is being bullied on land, which is normal, however Spino is the only match it has in water.
@@SirKolass hippos can swim well
@@buckshots2dabrain859 No they can't, hippos don't swim, they only walk on the bottom. They have powerful limbs so they can launch themselves underwater, that's why they're so fast.
Would a spino be able to grab an anky the way it does in that image? As far as I know, no dinosaur can pronate their wrists. At least not the ones you usually see depicted as doing it like raptors.
amazing video as always man, i too am worried with the lack of info in this concept.
P.S: your accent is very familiar to me. do you happen to be portuguese?
I believe that a slow growing apex sub aquatic dinosaur like spinosaurus would be a great implementation into the game. If spinos are slower than barys and suchos and grow much slower, growing one of these killing machines could be a huge challenge in such a high competition area like the waters of evrima. I don't believe that Spinosaurus will be much stronger than dienocheirus or dienosuchus but will probably put up incredible fights with them. I believe that a more terestrial young spinosaurus will also have a hard time even if they try to avoid the dangers of the water. Being not as suited to land, they ould probably struggle to match the speed of many herbivores on land or any other terrestrial dinosaurs for that matter. I don't believe Spinosaurus looks much more OP than any of the other apexes but will be an incredible addition to evrima.
Also, am I the only one that thinks the evrima Spinosaurus is one of the coolest things I've ever seen?!
I genuinely like the new spinosaurus design
6:16 it would however be very hard to grow to adult, just like stego, so the number of spinos around the map would be limited.
It would be really cool if spino focused on eatting smaller dinos
Going to be flying cars tell we get spino
That’s no spinosaurus
That’s semi aquatic indominous rex
They made it look like the JP 3 Spinosaurus for a fan magnet. Same with Omniraptor. “Hey look we have Jurassic Park Dinosaurs!!”
I fear that spino's status as a semi-aquatic put itself and the developers between a rock and a hard place...
Since it's semi-aquatic expecting it to move faster on land or water than it's similar sized pure water or land counterparts would be weird.
So there are only three possibilites that i can see:
The Hybrid Apex - It's power is the second on both environments, flees to water when land apex apear and flees to land when water apex apear.
Problem - being stuck between both is a guaranteed game over (losing for something that wasn't your fault is frustrating so why risk it instead of selecting an specialized land or aquatic)
The Semi-focused Apex - Basically turns spino in a land apex that can swim a little OR a aquatic apex that can go on land with some confidence.
Problem - The title semi-aquatic would lose its meaning since either it would spent too much time in deep water or deep on land.
The Territorial Apex - Too slow to chase anything, but too powerful for anything to challenge it one on one. Can only eat fish on its territory that it defends fiercely.
Problem - Can become overpowered if not carefully implemented.
From the concept they are going with last one....without the "too slow" part...
man Spinosaurus went from 14-18 meter estimates to 15 meter estimates, 13-22 tons estimates to 10-12, now people are debating if spino could even swim and it seems that there is so much evidence pointing toward spino not being able to swim that it's probably true. Spino really is unknown
I would be concerned, because first, in the concept art of a dino, they always show the dino winning every encounter like with diablo, and secondly, I'm sure they will make apexes so hard to grow, and with that I don't mean just making growth time long
“I’m sure they will make apexes hard to grow”… deinosuchus rn is the easiest thing to grow in the isle
@@Gmh- wait for gore, then we can make conclusions of how hard are carnivore apexes to grow
lowkey hoping spino stays strong asf like it is in legacy
I hope they add spino. So it can fight Crocs in water n stegos on land.
a lot of spino's art seems to be very immersive, situational, and include a lot more factors than the isle as a game has to offer. how spino would functionally use those arms which pale in comparison to the reach of its jaws seems questionable to say in the least. aside from making spino op, im unsure how it would be made "special".
Balancing the game is gonna be hard how are they gonna balance all the semi aquatics I think the they should make different types of wetlands
How does this thing look cooler than the JP3 Spinosaurus and all the hypos💀
I would have been less upset if one of the arts showed Spinosaurus on land or wading through water to hunt large fish. Maybe even using the sail on its back to create shadows to attract fish. Give the animal mundane activities. Otherwise, it's boring outside of combat.
I fear spino will not be able to compete with trex in the game
Since trex in legacy is stupidly broken im worried it will be the same in evrima , and that trex can take spinos as easy meal
I think rex will take it will it's new pining ability
my comeback to the isle was being killed by a spino as a maia fetus
thank you spino
bye i really loved this bye bye
Is it just me or did that spino have to stand vertically to just be tall enough to slap the deinocheirus lol
I mean spino was around 16-20 feet tall. They were taller than deincheirus
@@KaelanF ya exactly so why did it have too stand straight up like a human or something to hit it in the face is what I meant
correction: it was the largest carnivorous theropod that has been discovered
Scotty, the largest rex specimen, hits 11t on maximum range, spino stays a mere 7t
Spino is definitely not the largest carnivore the world has ever seen
But hey at least it’s the tallest
Idk why but I want deinochyrus to have a drowning attack where it hold the victim underwater with its big meaty paws like a kangaroo
EDIT:small tires and some mid tiers
Excuse me? “paws”?
Analysis: it’s a water creature and walks like a dragon mostly on all fours its not at all like the Rex and can’t properly battle an apex IRL. Spino must be totally reanimated
Quad spino is outdated, was only around until like 2019
Spino in legacy isnt strong compared to other apexes, once trex can double bite spino is done
I recently bought the Game and it Works good at First , But If i Connect to a Server it loads a Bit and than Just Crashes... Any Suggestions?
My pc isnt that good btw.
i think you take the concept too literally,bary and sucho will both be able to run away from it since they'll both def be faster,anky and cheirus could easily defend themselves against a spino,this is just a concept showing what spino could do
Its easy to balance spino
U can make it super powerful , just make it slow and bound to stay close to water like deino
so it's an Indominus Rex but with water ? that's lame
@@alunaticwithashotgun9840 bruh what ? No its a slow powerhouse bound to water, way better then the lame ass rex whos gonna 1 shot everything
@@profilenotfound2525 So yea, as I said , water Indominus with a sail instead of an actual Spinosaurus, it even has the anky flip, and although it is my opinion and is subjective, a realistic Rex will always be the coolest thing ever, for the simple reason that it doesn't need to be monsterified to be cool, actually I'd say monsterified Rex looks lame too, but like I said, that's just my opinion, I just don't like overly edgy dinosaur designs in general and the isle's spino design is pretty much screaming "iT's NOt A phAsE mOM"
@@alunaticwithashotgun9840 so u hate spino , aight, well no rex is never gonna be the coolest thing ever, thats just what u think cuz ur a trex fan as it seems, and no just cuz they made indom do the flip first doesnt mean everything else is a copy, for a creature with such arms its just an ability it has
like what else do u expect a spino to do, if they would make a scientificly accurate spino then that would be lame asf cuz it would get smoked by everything and rex would be unkillable wich also would be lame
@@profilenotfound2525 Oh no you got me wrong, I dislike The Isle's Spino design or stuff that , I love accurate Spino tho that thing looks wild. Also I already said it's just an opinion lmao "coolness" is objective. Also a realistic T.Rex in The Isle wouldn't be unkillable, it'd just be killed by stuff that would reasonable be able to kill a T.Rex, like Trike, Anky, Shant, Camara, Stego, pairs of Acros, pairs of Gigas or even a solo Giga if it the Giga player is more skilled than the Rex player, same goes for Deinocheirus and so on
Honestly, Spino shouldnt be able to attack or take down an anky because it was an aquatic predator that ONLY fed on fish, though it would be fun for it to feast on young deinos and maybe deinochurius. They should not make it an apex, but a mid tier since it wasnt built for killing terrestrial animals ik its a game but it would be annoying seeing a land spino, example (those land deinos that always steal food
it would be extremely annoying, and i dont think they could even take a deinochurius or deinosuchus on that would be meer suicide the jp3 style spino seems cool but it would be better if they made it a biped when it ran and a quad when it walked, it wouldnt be scientifically accurate but still would be way better
@Mr. Hazama (Yuki Terumi) semi&
spinosaurus is bipede
New mic?
I disagree with spino being overpowered in legacy , it needs to have all these good stats to be able to compete with other apexes wich would destroy it otherwise, Especially trex wich rly is broken as hell
Either make spino fast and durable enough to escape, or make it powerful enough to fight
i want spinosaurus to have the highest health of the apexes but lowest attack and 3rd fastest speed, like 11600 hp and 685 attack a bite and 740 a swing, but it will have good bleed and will have probably around 32kmh speed (it does do low attack for an apex but its claw slashes will obviously be quick)
Noooo not the chunky boi
your videos would get more views if you did only the concept and speculation bits.
I’m pretty sure the devs said that Rex will have an upper hand when fighting spino
When did they say that? Spino is larger and has more versatile weapons.
@@KaelanF like 3 years ago on a dondi stream
@@KaelanFfilipe has said in a resent stream, that if spino were to fight a rex, he bets on the rex.
It’s a very strange angle you seem to take in these videos. And I dont mean to be confrontational or anything, either. Genuinely. But you take an image of the dinosaur that is being showcased, where it is winning a fight against another equally strong dinosaur or stronger one, and instead of being rational and thinking logically and realizing this is how all concept art works. None of the concepts show the showcased dinosaur losing a fight and therefore it’s just to show potential outcomes in various situations if the showcased dinosaur is being played well. That just because they’re drawn winning a fight, in no way, shape or form somehow means they’ll win every fight easily against that dinosaur. That’s such a strange leap in logic.
You do this repeatedly and I dont know if it’s just a genuine lack of understanding of how these concept art pieces work and what concept art is meant to convey, or if you’re being purposefully deceitful to try and attack the game for some personal grievance with the devs that you hold. And I’m being honest when I say I’m not trying to be rude. It’s just a reoccurring theme I see and I can’t grasp how you come to that conclusion.
You did this with baryonyx, too. Claiming that because one picture showed an adult bary clawing a small deino, that now this means baryonyx will easily kill and dominate deinos and this is evidence of power creep and the game will now suck and deino is useless. You did the sane with acrocanthosaurus, too.
A dinosaur being shown winning what would be a tough fight in game, in no way = that dinosaur will now easily dominate the defeated dinosaur and the defeated dinosaur is now useless and trash.
I dont like its design. They took one of the most unique and interesting theropods and made it look boring and like a rex, crocodile godzilla knock off. Spino deserves a more interesting design. Its odd considering dinos like ovi, herrera etc got this, but spino got its unique features lessened? The sail looks bland, the head is too generic, its crest is pitiful and so is the tail. There was other concept art of it that looked way better. Still awesomebroy, but interesting and the parts that make spino were really there. This just looks like a dinocroc excuse for a spino, like the Jurassic World bary. A pretty dull, uninspired design imo. Also it seems they made it into a ridiculously overpowered, fanboy fantasy monster. It was a powerful animal but not some kaiju that could annihilate animals like anky, deinocheirus or mega crocs. It just seems purely awesomebro fantasy, no matter how unbalanced (or boring) that is.
Ridiculous how every dinosaur game makes Spinosaurus so powerful despite it being a weak fish eater.
You do hate apexes, you want packs beeing good then? Thats apex on steroids. I killed more in 3 hours gameplay in packs of dilos/utah then i did with my rex playing it for 4 days. You need power diffeneces, unless its just *we are more we win*
I think it’s very disingenuous to do what you do with every conceit art. A concept art showing a dinosaur winning a fight against another by no metric means “it will dominate that dinosaur and is broken/unbalanced “. It’s just such an odd strawman type of criticism. The games world is full of dinosaurs at different growth % and sizes with different players of different skill levels. A spino killing a deino doesn’t = deino always loses to spino and spino is OP.
It’s just such a blizzard extrapolation you always make. You did it with bary, Rex etc…
The boom in your audio makes what you say often unintelligible.
Jesus can we just take a second to appreciate how ugly legacy’s spinosaurus is