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  • čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
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Komentáře • 155

  • @GodHandplayers
    @GodHandplayers Před 11 měsíci +63

    Was already sad such beautiful card was going to waste, then the bearded man saves the day once more

    • @OutLookerDev
      @OutLookerDev Před 11 měsíci +9

      I knew the damn thing worked but it artifacting randomly stumped me. Glad I found this guy and he repaired it

    • @LuCallofDuty1
      @LuCallofDuty1 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@OutLookerDevis the cost sustainable tho? Does it not cost less to just upgrade and maybe donate the card to him?

    • @OutLookerDev
      @OutLookerDev Před 11 měsíci +4

      ​@LuCallofDuty1 well, I can't upgrade ATM and the cost was half of what was available on ebay. So yes.

    • @ahmedtar890
      @ahmedtar890 Před 11 měsíci

      How much did you spend after all was said and done?

    • @OutLookerDev
      @OutLookerDev Před 11 měsíci

      @ahmedtar890 in the low 100's + shipping. This man does a good job for a low price

  • @Jumbro6
    @Jumbro6 Před 11 měsíci +51

    Balancing the fan blade was such a good idea. You’re always finding the solutions. Props to you. I would also like to see more no fixes. Seeing the process is awesome of trying to find exactly what the issue is

    • @abeerfaisal1986
      @abeerfaisal1986 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Yeah.
      Sometimes, even destruction could be the foundation of creation!

    • @finco7726
      @finco7726 Před 11 měsíci

      well logical solution (or balancing mod), cut 2 opposite blades if you dont have broken blade laying around :)

  • @OutLookerDev
    @OutLookerDev Před 11 měsíci +15

    Its my card. Poor thing got abused during shipment. Ty so much again!

    • @GoonyMclinux
      @GoonyMclinux Před 11 měsíci +1

      You got lucky for sure, such a decent card though definitely worth the effort.

    • @panagiotisakmpampas6337
      @panagiotisakmpampas6337 Před 4 měsíci +1

      How much did the repair cost?

    • @AzizurRahman-zi6jn
      @AzizurRahman-zi6jn Před 3 měsíci +1

      how much did the repair cost?

    • @OutLookerDev
      @OutLookerDev Před 3 měsíci

      ​It was less than 175 after checking with shipping too. 115 for repair plus shipping + insurance since they are not very reliable in delivering as you can see in the vid that they damaged my card during shipment. Always get the insurance when shipping​@AzizurRahman-zi6jn

    • @AsusDeskYT
      @AsusDeskYT Před 3 měsíci

      @@AzizurRahman-zi6jnprolly around 100-300

  • @GasGearsGames
    @GasGearsGames Před 11 měsíci +19

    I personally own this one and have been running it since launch date. I have replaced my fans 3 times over the years before I 3D printed some air ducts and did some 120mm fan mods. Its a solid card for me, solid through the crypto shortage solid through the pandemic shortage and solid today for every thing I play.

    • @abeerfaisal1986
      @abeerfaisal1986 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Yeah why not...?
      Everything u will be able to play at 1080p & very soon @ 720p 🥱

    • @Dandan-tg6tj
      @Dandan-tg6tj Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@abeerfaisal1986 Fortnite will always be playable at 1080p and so will be a million other games. My daughter's PC has an i7 2600 overclocked and a GTX 1070. Runs at maximum settings, 1080p, 90-120 FPS. She also is playing Genshin Impact which also works more than fine in 1080p. My latest video card was a RX 6700XT. Not much difference in Fortnite, believe me (my motherboard has PCIe gen4). Switched back to my old 1070 too. I got a RTRX 3080 Ti to test probably next week. I doubt it will make much difference but who knows?

    • @southwarzone8894
      @southwarzone8894 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@abeerfaisal1986
      It still is playable at 1440p, dont know what u talking about 🤣

    • @Grayest_Fox
      @Grayest_Fox Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@Dandan-tg6tjIt's lovely to play games that are 5+ years old!

    • @Dandan-tg6tj
      @Dandan-tg6tj Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Grayest_Fox I never was into this "new games" stuff. I played Heroes 3 (with cheats), King's Bounty (also with cheats) and Wizardry 8 (with cheats, of course). Games should be fun to play. Fortnite is not a competitive game. It does not matter who wins. If you're killed in the game, in 20 seconds it's starting again. Crowned Victory Royale may be nice first time or the second time but after that it does not matter anymore and I am going back to exploration.

  • @BenjaminEricksen
    @BenjaminEricksen Před 11 měsíci +14

    Love the work you do, who would've thought I would watch entire GPU repair videos. Plus the editing is real funny. Keep up the great work man.

  • @alext6933
    @alext6933 Před 11 měsíci +3

    8:51 i laughed out loud. 😊

  • @erickhian
    @erickhian Před 11 měsíci +2

    Watching your videos reminds me of the time when I was 14 and cooked a 9800gt in the oven for 15 mim to reflow-it. It works!! The card got 1 and half year of life after that. Dude, when that card got me the gigabyte image i was the happiest kid in this world. Haha, great videos, BTW.

  • @nine0ten771
    @nine0ten771 Před 11 měsíci +4

    That guy with the bread really knows what he is doing.

    • @northwestrepair
      @northwestrepair  Před 11 měsíci +4

      Fake beard that is 😁

    • @nine0ten771
      @nine0ten771 Před 11 měsíci

      @@northwestrepair I know, but it looks good on you.

  • @jvanderhorst2011
    @jvanderhorst2011 Před 11 měsíci +1

    bro bro BRO, I am eating and just watching your videos, they are soo good, I like the relaxing music also, keep up the EXCELLENT job you are doing a know a lot of your clients are really happy with your work, keep at it.

  • @amtpdb1
    @amtpdb1 Před 11 měsíci +2

    You make the reballing process look so easy. I runed 6 motherboards with 1151 bent pin sockets trying just to get them off!! Lifted pads, caps and resistors moved in the center of the socket due to hot air ......!! Could you show this sometime if you will. I was using a single hot plate for bottom heating and hot air on top!!!!! Thanks for the video.

    • @GoonyMclinux
      @GoonyMclinux Před 11 měsíci +3

      Preheat and low velocity hot air on a very even desk, really good flux helps. Just practice depopulating broken stuff for a few days and the settings will come to you.

    • @amtpdb1
      @amtpdb1 Před 11 měsíci

      @@GoonyMclinux thanks for the advice I'm kind of intimidated now about trying it anymore.

    • @GoonyMclinux
      @GoonyMclinux Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@amtpdb1 It takes some practice for sure but I learned the soldering part pretty quickly by finding junky old laptops and such and removing and reinstalling parts and then seeing if they still worked. I destroyed more stuff than I fixed for about 6 months but thats how it goes. Its really good money if you stick to it.

    • @amtpdb1
      @amtpdb1 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@GoonyMclinuxthanks for the support

  • @iNubpwn3r
    @iNubpwn3r Před 11 měsíci +2

    Never give up, that is great approach.... Also, do it once and do it right, those are my guidances I'm trying to follow in life and you largely follow those as well. It's a privilege to watch you work (more videos please). Your channel became my therapist.

  • @navidmirvalizadeh4914
    @navidmirvalizadeh4914 Před 7 měsíci

    It's really great to see how a specialist like you can repair such difficult cases you are so much talented man

  • @renumihai5263
    @renumihai5263 Před 11 měsíci +1

    SAVAGE DEDICATION, love your repairs, keep up the good work !

  • @CharlesVanNoland
    @CharlesVanNoland Před 11 měsíci +1

    When I started watching this chan (thanks 'Tube algorithm) it was like "oh, man, this doesn't look too hard to do! I can totally go through the same kind of debugging process(es) and fix GPUs I find on ElectronicBae!!!" But then the more videos I keep watching, having subbed early on, it's been getting gnarly. These fixes have been getting trickier it seems like. Memory check passes, everything seems normal, but it crashes when it starts doing stuff, locks up the OS, blue screens, etc... Maybe I'll just defer to the experts when I need a GPU fixed. Fortunately, I haven't made the mistake yet of buying a GPU that I can't afford to replace or have someone fix! RX 5700XT, RX 570, an OEM HP RX 550, and a GTX 1060ti. So far so good. Fingers crossed!

  • @gren1977
    @gren1977 Před 10 měsíci

    whenever there's a chip that needs to be replaced: woohoo, cue awesome replacement sequence :D so soothing haha

  • @drinkintea1572
    @drinkintea1572 Před 11 měsíci +5

    You're the best, keep doing god's work bro!

    • @alext6933
      @alext6933 Před 11 měsíci

      He's so f****** good at this.😊

  • @i_ludius
    @i_ludius Před 11 měsíci

    something so relaxing about watching you repair such intricate electronics

  • @shiftctrlhack
    @shiftctrlhack Před 11 měsíci +1

    Lmao LOVE THE VID. I laugh my butt off the entire time. You now even have me waiting for the explosion effect you do when you attempt to power the card. Awesome editing btw! You are getting really good at it.

  • @tony359
    @tony359 Před 11 měsíci

    amazing as usual! Couple of things: your Chinese Siglent does have a web interface - but I use VNC as the web interface is more difficult to capture. For the fans, that's a cool fix. Maybe I would have added a weight (hot glue) where the broken fin was rather than cutting a good one but as you say it's temporary!

  • @theviewer1423
    @theviewer1423 Před 11 měsíci +11

    1080Ti owner here it might not play Starfield well at all but Starfield sucks anyway and can play lots of good games about 2015 at high performance

    • @abeerfaisal1986
      @abeerfaisal1986 Před 11 měsíci

      Only the idiots & some xBots care for SHITFIELD 😂😂😂

    • @sonnyuk619
      @sonnyuk619 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I would hope so considering it came out in 2017 haha

  • @maklogetrich2378
    @maklogetrich2378 Před 4 měsíci +2

    reball and reflow the core, change the vram, fixing 1.8v rail, balancing fan fins
    what else, this guy has magical hands

  • @maksqwe1
    @maksqwe1 Před 11 měsíci

    Cowboy Santa saves the day once again
    I love finding a new upload after a long day at work

  • @st_us
    @st_us Před 11 měsíci +12

    Better than factory

  • @doktorvga
    @doktorvga Před 11 měsíci

    Good job! Just a remark: at 3:32 there is some typo i think (280->217), also 250 will be between 183-217 or between 138-217 depending what type of low-melt you are using.

  • @theeeves
    @theeeves Před 11 měsíci +1

    The work you do is honestly amazing.

  • @rdh2059
    @rdh2059 Před 11 měsíci

    Sticktuitiveness! That's what makes your videos so interesting. The boards are either totally repaired or completely dead afterward... wink...wink...

  • @georgeindestructible
    @georgeindestructible Před 11 měsíci +5

    This is the reason i keep telling people not to let their cards go above 60-70C, the manufacturers limits don't matter because they want this to happen after a while so you can buy a new one and their cash flow keeps happen steadily, you have to make sure there's plenty airflow in all parts/sides of your card, when the board temperature saturates around these temps material pressure keeps raising making material, like soldering balls expand and "unstuck" which is also why you should play with a frame limiter, so you never tax GPU usage more that it's needed, anything above 70% and below or near 99% is good to keep steady frame times and always undervolt if possible.
    Of course your card will go to 99% usage if you tax it too much especially an older card with newer games which is why you should cool the f out of it if you wanna max it out because while maxing it out is not what actually causes the problem itself but it leads the card heating and heating so if the cooling isn't enough all sort of shit can happen, anywhere on the card not just on the GPU's hotspot or core.
    Don't think that just because your GPU hotspot temp is full example 60-70C under 99% load every other component is gonna be at that temp, GPU designs are not made for that and a lot of the times there are also design flaws like not taking into account to create space where air can flow on a part which can get hot regardless of what the GPU core's temp or hotspot is.
    Unlocked frame rates are only for benchmarks and testing the card fast when you buy them to ensure they don't have a faulty component.
    I mean i don't want the guy to run out of business of course, but it's so simple to keep your GPU from breaking buy doing 2 things, keep the entire card as cool as possible and have a PSU with low ripple voltage.
    I've never had a single GPU fail and i've had more than 10 since 2000, and yeah it's a small sample size but cooling them wall with fans around, swapping pads with better ones and new good thermal paste helps a lot with longevity.

    • @baronwalker2212
      @baronwalker2212 Před 6 měsíci

      Not being funny, but no wonder you haven’t had a gpu fail if you are changing them out every 2 years, 10 gpu’s since 2000 is a lot dude

  • @feardrake9
    @feardrake9 Před 11 měsíci +3

    thats a gnarly dent

  • @mariolp2999
    @mariolp2999 Před 11 měsíci

    YOU ARE A TENACIOUS WORKER.... ..... i'm guessing you are russian, ukranian, or slovakian...hard working people...

  • @Kapitaen_Flauschbart
    @Kapitaen_Flauschbart Před 10 měsíci

    I got a non Ti version, runs liek a charm to this day, in another system now ....
    My card also draws pretty much power when somewhat idling in desktop mode.

  • @OKtGCGOEM1SS
    @OKtGCGOEM1SS Před 9 měsíci

    Professionally fixed! 💪

  • @ar11999
    @ar11999 Před 11 měsíci

    the office looks like of an crazy scientists one

  • @ch.wey.4406
    @ch.wey.4406 Před 26 dny

    Da wird ja das Huhn in der Pfanne verrückt!

  • @danj3789
    @danj3789 Před 11 měsíci

    Another awesome video, you're like a crazy cat lady but with GPU's, doesn't matter if it's blind and deaf, you still make sure it gets the best life until the end when many would have had it put down. Respect!

  • @sfmn2396
    @sfmn2396 Před 11 měsíci

    Best editing ever, very entertainment and informative

  • @danytoob
    @danytoob Před 11 měsíci

    Damn...you're good. I think Alex ought to slide you a little vig for your marketing campaign!

  • @Maxximilian
    @Maxximilian Před 11 měsíci +1

    Its strange the B0 came faulty after the reballing maybe the heat helped the loose connection to be revealed, great work as always btw do you use 300 degree on soldering-iron for wicking gpu?

  • @HacknSlashPro
    @HacknSlashPro Před 11 měsíci

    you are literally godsent

  • @yissnakklives8866
    @yissnakklives8866 Před 6 měsíci

    Always magic!

  • @LOSTYKmail
    @LOSTYKmail Před 11 měsíci +1

    The bearded guy should make more vids

  • @hermasmora
    @hermasmora Před 11 měsíci

    You are like the guga foods of gpu's! Kinda sound like him a little bit, but anyways love the vid as always❤

  • @clydek3227
    @clydek3227 Před 11 měsíci

    Not just a repair, an upgrade !

  • @fbrewx2560
    @fbrewx2560 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice save Tony! Great video. Thanks.

  • @JimNichols
    @JimNichols Před 11 měsíci +2

    It must have shipped through Thailand the delivery guys and gals here could break an anvil.

    • @ArtisChronicles
      @ArtisChronicles Před 11 měsíci

      Reminds me of the time I received fans and it looked like someone drop kicked the package.

  • @3D-PC
    @3D-PC Před 11 měsíci

    Good Job as always mate. Your videos are starting to really come alone. Your really trying to teach somethings and some humor in there too. Good Job.

  • @TechLevelUpOfficial
    @TechLevelUpOfficial Před 11 měsíci +1

    Feels so good man, well done.

  • @Silverizawa
    @Silverizawa Před 11 měsíci

    Lets hope That Tinker Guy lives forever to save VGAnity

  • @wartlme
    @wartlme Před 11 měsíci

    Nice, good work bro.

  • @Puppybuns
    @Puppybuns Před 11 měsíci +1

    What is the song that starts at 3:30, when you start the reballing montage? I really like it.

  • @brandongardner2853
    @brandongardner2853 Před 11 měsíci

    Great work as always . ty for the vid .

  • @ciuciulala8888
    @ciuciulala8888 Před 11 měsíci

    This repair is better than factory

  • @stevedebeukelaer1424
    @stevedebeukelaer1424 Před 11 měsíci

    Nice work i love your derermination to fix the gpu. Keep up the nice video's what temp do you use to desolder ,/solder core and ram ic. Regards from Belgium

  • @babalonkie
    @babalonkie Před 11 měsíci +1

    I am guessing the heat from reballing awoke some issues.

  • @RyanHarris77
    @RyanHarris77 Před 11 měsíci

    I have one of these. The VRMs are absolutely garbage. They run really hot, make the card harder overclock, and start to freak out around 65C, where most other VRMs have no trouble going to 90C.

  • @Wags44
    @Wags44 Před 11 měsíci

    Another fantastic video!

  • @elior77
    @elior77 Před 11 měsíci

    Amazing !

  • @mkrleza
    @mkrleza Před 11 měsíci

    I was wondering if "the beard" will appear! .😂

  • @Rmm1722
    @Rmm1722 Před 11 měsíci

    good work

  • @zepp3lin
    @zepp3lin Před 10 měsíci

    I'm still running this Zotac card now flawless with my old i7 3rd Gen CPU pc, don't know what that guy did to even break that fan...🤣

  • @Adam-xr6fj
    @Adam-xr6fj Před 11 měsíci

    I only watch this channel for the music.

  • @dbailey3024
    @dbailey3024 Před 11 měsíci

    What tools do u use for reflowing its fascinating work

  • @aaroncortez2658
    @aaroncortez2658 Před měsícem

    I have this exact card but non ti version. Similar problem (crash on benchmarks and heavy titles) but works if put a 60% power limit via msi afterburner. Not heat related as it barely reaches 55c and im (Almost) positive its the card as ive tried every fix under the sun.
    Anyways how much would a fix like this go for or would it be more worthwhile to buy a new card in regards to price.

  • @youtubesucksdicks9474
    @youtubesucksdicks9474 Před 11 měsíci

    Excellent work! I'm really liking the bonus tips along the way

  • @tobiasit1743
    @tobiasit1743 Před 11 měsíci

    awsome dude 🙂👍🏻

  • @gimmyfun529
    @gimmyfun529 Před 11 měsíci

    You asked for a comment and a like and I'm giving you both. I wanted to see you change and hdmi port but instead you wanted to teach me stuff. How dare you?

  • @custume
    @custume Před 10 měsíci

    look good

  • @JohnnyStashh
    @JohnnyStashh Před 11 měsíci

    Customer: GPU No Work... Why?
    northwestrepair: Links to this video.

  • @abeerfaisal1986
    @abeerfaisal1986 Před 11 měsíci +1

    It's a real shame that Zotac is no longer adopting this particular sexy design concept of the vintage Gtx 1080 Ti Amp Extreme!

    • @ArtisChronicles
      @ArtisChronicles Před 11 měsíci

      I liked the looks of the one 980 ti they made. Wish they did more of these older designs.

  • @zardyzardy8946
    @zardyzardy8946 Před 11 měsíci

    Please don't change the rebelling music anytime soon.😊

  • @MatthewSuffidy
    @MatthewSuffidy Před 11 měsíci +1

    Kind of weird how there is a new problem after reball. I am guessing heat did it?

  • @jamesdavies686
    @jamesdavies686 Před 11 měsíci

    When you re-ball, do you use leaded solder balls?

  • @zodiacfml
    @zodiacfml Před 11 měsíci

    amazing🤯🤯. how could a card require so much fixing like this?🤔🤔 edit: I guess it is age and a lot of use

  • @thuggamer308
    @thuggamer308 Před měsícem

    There is a small button on the back, what is it used for?

  • @SmokinGoodd420
    @SmokinGoodd420 Před 11 měsíci

    I have one of those sus EVGA cards you have done videos on before. Have you figured out why that odd OC sticker was there? Or why they tape over the evga factory tape? I purchased this card off a friend who told me it was a b stock card. Was just curious if you have seen this before?

  • @SFearox
    @SFearox Před 11 měsíci

    I bought a EVGA RTX 2080 Ti XC Gaming from ebay. Im still worried about the bad micron memory chips from 2018. Should i still be concerned? Or all the 2080 ti's with bad micron memory, should be dead by now after 5 years?

  • @bornagain2641
    @bornagain2641 Před 11 měsíci

    during the install of gpu to card. i did not see the gpu sit/flow into place, seat itself.

  • @sqrl1980
    @sqrl1980 Před 11 měsíci

    I was wondering. is Zotac a good brand ? i mean they give me a :" Medion brand feeling" .please correct me if i'm wrong

  • @tech.curiosity
    @tech.curiosity Před 11 měsíci

    LoooL at 2:03.

  • @tonict2302
    @tonict2302 Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome video

  • @JayPrakash-th4rd
    @JayPrakash-th4rd Před 11 měsíci

    NWR please change the title typo from Zotak to Zotac as it may afftect the searchability of the video 😊

  • @joargutierrez89
    @joargutierrez89 Před 8 měsíci

    Hello, what is the model of the vram modules and where can I buy them?

  • @SKiPER210397
    @SKiPER210397 Před 2 měsíci

    I have bought the same graphics card with the same symptoms....140$ wasted =)
    Can you please orient me, how much costs the restoration like this one?

  • @Naskar
    @Naskar Před 11 měsíci +1

    Can you repair oxidised card it's gigabyte 1660ti. Service center reject of being oxidise

    • @Naskar
      @Naskar Před 11 měsíci

      It also failed memory test

  • @enteranon3342
    @enteranon3342 Před 10 měsíci

    Is it possible to work properly with direct heat stencils or are they rubbish?

  • @cosmicp.o.m.e3460
    @cosmicp.o.m.e3460 Před 11 měsíci

    Comment :Thumbs UP:

  • @pettym3
    @pettym3 Před 11 měsíci

    hello, i flashed my bios (removed and added cmos) and now my computer is really slow when shutting down (~2 minutes). any ideas? thanks!

  • @RadioactivePretzels
    @RadioactivePretzels Před 11 měsíci

    You cleverly stockpile piles of dead donor boards for parts. Do you have a similar heap of dead heatsinks and fans you can scavenge a new fan from?

  • @davewhittles
    @davewhittles Před 11 měsíci

    ive had so many cards with this problem but i could not do what you are doing as ive no idea what to do i tried once and made it worse

  • @aliemlek
    @aliemlek Před 11 měsíci +1

    👍👍👌👌

  • @rockysayed8134
    @rockysayed8134 Před 9 měsíci

    I need mine one repaired..

  • @m1k4c
    @m1k4c Před 4 měsíci

    Guys, if there's any chance anyone could help me out - I bought an Asus Strix GTX 1080 Ti Gaming - the card passes FurMark, but crashes in games and some other tests (superposition, 3d mark won't even start). Temperatures are relatively normal, voltage, frequency, everything is on factory settings, no OC. Is there something I can do to salvage this? Even if I am to lose 10-20% performance? What does the above described behavious tell us? Why would a card pass one of the most stressful tests, but fail so many others?

  • @ajayaYtube
    @ajayaYtube Před 11 měsíci

    🙏👏👏👏🙏

  • @umdiaaposooutro2393
    @umdiaaposooutro2393 Před 11 měsíci

    I really want to learn this craft. curious on how you did it. cheers from Brazil.

  • @suryavanshib
    @suryavanshib Před 11 měsíci

    Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻😂😂😂

  • @blabla871
    @blabla871 Před 7 měsíci

    where is he from? what country?

  • @ChrisGR93_TxS
    @ChrisGR93_TxS Před 11 měsíci

    that card has only 250w tdp?

  • @slkslk9324
    @slkslk9324 Před 11 měsíci

    🥳

  • @Unmixable404
    @Unmixable404 Před 11 měsíci +1

    And here I was going to say oh I guess this is one of those 10% or less no fix. But... I was tricked lol

  • @RealNovgorod
    @RealNovgorod Před 11 měsíci +2

    These Zotac 1080Tis are absolutely atrocious, it still gives me nightmares from back in the mining days.. The fans on them are by far the crappiest in the entire industry. If the fins don't break off like cockroach legs, the bearing will seize after 2-3 months of 24/7 and there are no replacement parts for them on the entire planet except Aliexpress knockoffs which fail even faster.. China fans are absolute horror, stay away from them!

  • @SkateClipsAndTips
    @SkateClipsAndTips Před 11 měsíci

    I hear that zotac has terrible build quality, is this card brand on the avoid buying list?