Daisy Powerline Or Crosman Pumpmaster, Which Is The Best?
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- Head to head which of these classic, budget air rifles is best?
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With the daisy 880 use h&n terminators at 8 pumps with the scope , should shoot thru the same hole at 25 yards
Great comparison Dave! So I'm 44 years old and I had a Daisy 880 when I was about 8-9 years old. I remember many fond memories of plinking with my Dad. So I was at Walmart today and there it was! Same air rifle for the same price you mentioned! Well, of course I couldn't resist, so I grabbed it with a big smile on my face! And now I can't wait to make some new memories with my 9 year old daughter doing the same thingI
I know I was kind of the same way. I saw some of my youth on the shelve and had to buy it, KPO.
I sure learn how to use iron sights
I paid $38 a year ago but they are now $60 at Walmart.
The daisy stock it was too long for my kid to be able to comfortably shoot I purchase the daisy for her to be able to pump it because she could not bump the Crosman we heard the bird back to her shooting the Crosman because the stock of it is shorter and she was able to shoulder the gun
It's all dictation I never said bird
I grew up shooting both of these and I love both without bias. The Daisy has been the more comfortable air rifle to hold and also the more accurate for target shooting. However, I have 10x the amount of kills with the Crosman. I love both, just a different feel.
That's the way to look at it. The guns don't cost much and in a free country, why not have both?
@@kennethgardner3090because I have too many already 😂
I bought the Daisy 880 specifically because it had a rifled barrel for more accuracy. I was somewhat disappointed
with the accuracy then as I used the gun more and more I realized that the problem was that the trigger was kind of hard and it caused me to tighten my fist and pull the shots to the right. I made a concerted effort to relax my hand as I pulled the trigger and it made all the difference in my shooting with all my shots in a very tight area.
interesting
I had the same kind of thing with an umarex ruger mk4 air pistol, the trigger was so heavy, all my shots were going way over to the left, but after practice learning how to control the trigger pull and breaking it in I've managed to tighten my groups a lot.
I got a cross man 760 in 1979. I ran the woods shooting all sorts of things. After college and a master's I found it in my parents barn. It was inoperable but I kept it all these years. I am now researching to rebuild it. So many great memories with that little gun.
You and me both.
You can buy a rebuild kit with the gaskets and the pump cup to rebuild your rifle, just go to eBay and you can find kits to do that. The older crossman's are way better than the new ones because the older ones the barrels have rifling in them, which will spin pellets like a bullet there for your accuracy is great. BB's never have any type of accuracy they don't spin like a bullet . Just go to CZcams and look it up how to rebuild a 760 pumpmaster and there's all kinds of information out there how you can do it yourself
Trouble with bb's falling in place with the crosman? Try pushing the magnet into the bolt a little bit. Just bought one today and the bb wouldn't fall at all. So I took it apart and tapped the magnet end of the bolt and it moved in enough to let a bb fall into place after putting it all back together. Tried to return it first and Walmart doesn't return or exchange bb guns. I hope this helps
Nice story! Did you get it fix?I hope you did.
@@dubon6372 not yet. Life got in the way. I've used it for a prop In throwback Christmas photos but that is it so far.
I bought the Crosman 2100 Classic 30yrs ago. It’s had thousands of bbs ran thru it and still shoots like new! Still have it and still shoot it once in a while. Very accurate awesome gun!! I bought a Daisy 880 for a friend a few yrs ago but wasn’t impressed at all. Cocking and shooting just seemed sub par compared to my old Crosman!! Cool video tho def brings back childhood memories plinking with friends!!
thanks Eric
The main difference between the two guns is that the daisy has a rifled barrel (Which is why it does not shoot bb's well). You should be able to achieve extremely tight groups if you use the right pellet. With my personal 880 I am able to consistently shoot 1/4 inch groups at 10 yards using a 2-7x power scope and RWS super dome pellets. I have owned several 880's and 901's through the years and have noticed they have always shot superdomes well. Generally these guns like pellets with a wider head size. The cheap pellets made by daisy and crosman do not perform well because they do not fully engage the rifling. If you do not feel any resistance when closing the bolt after loading a pellet that is a good indicator that the pellet is not engaging the rifling.
Thanks for adding in, KPO.
I've had my Crossman since I was 13yrs old. When my son turned 13 in 2016 and gave him my rifle. I couldn't believe how accurate & solid it still was. And I had shot this alot. Great rifle for starters!
Awesome!
I have a Daisy 880 and I like it very much. Accurate and fun to shoot. Very good value for money. Also, it is easy to pump. Even a ten year old can pump it up to the recommended maximum of ten pumps without problem. This is not always the case with multipumps. Very often they become a lot harder to pump the closer you get to the max limit. But pumping up the Daisy is a breeze.
true
I grew up with a Crossman 760 and thought it was a good accurate BB gun. Thank's for the trip down memory lane.
welcome
Exactly I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store (has real wood umlike the plastic of today) and that thing at 10 pumps makes squirells explode litterally n super accurate with a scope.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i had to see hiow strong it was since i didnt know how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today
My 880 was pretty accurate. I spent lots of time in my Dad's basement shooting from my "custom" bench rest setup (sat on a metal 5gal roofing tar pail and rested the forend on the chute of an old Ariens snowblower). Had the 4x scope mounted. I shot at wooden matches at 20ft trying to light them. Never did light a match, but did hit the red part pretty consistently. Now that I think about it, those matches were probably strike on box so it would have been impossible to light them. Had lots of fun trying!
I love the shooting bench. Very typical of many basement shooting rests, KPO.
I used to shoot the old style red with a white tip wooden matches out of mine and if you shot something hard like a brick or the concrete it sounded like a cap gun going off.
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The trick is to tape a small piece of flint to the match head. Then you'll _really_ hear a BANG!!
I haven't tried the Crossman, but I've had an 880 for about 12 years. I'm consistently surprised by it's accuracy. The Daisy pellets are crap though. I've had better luck with Gamo pellets.
Thanks for adding that info, KPO.
The daisy bb's worked great for me my dad and I used to shoot copper bells hanging in the yard all day long
Try some 8.2gr RWS Meisterkugeln pellets. I find them very accurate and they still shoot 680 fps.
The Gamo Red Fire 7.8gr shoot awesome out of my daughters daisy.
I use crossmans high quality pointed pellets with my Daisy powerline and works greats...very very accurated...ironic😂
One Year later:
Got myself 760 PumpMaster deliberately just because of smooth barrel and has more Umfff than Red Ryder or Little Grizzly both are One pump only..For pellets I got Ruger NXG with rifled barrel that looks almost like PowerLine..Both are Fun to shoot and I got no complaints...
I like it!
What a blast from the past! This was the Ford vs. Chevy debate among UP kids in the 80's that still rode BMX bikes as a primary source of transportation. They sure are inexpensive now. They cost more than what you paid for these in 1985.
You know I thought the same thing about the price. I seem to remember the powerline being about $70 or $80 back when I had my first one. Like I said in the video about 40 yrs ago. That was a lot of money then. My dad probably had to clean 4 or 5 extra deer so I could have one for Christmas. KPO.
Btw Ford is better
The 880 I bought new in '72 was around 27 bucks as I recall. Not exactly cheap at that time. Then the 880 I bought in '85 was around 40 bucks. I still have both of them
I had both of these as a kid. My Crossman had the short pump action making it tougher to pump up, but like your results here I do remember the Crossman being noticeably more accurate than the Daisy when it came to BBs. I distinctly remember the feeling that many of the shots out of the Daisy were not landing where I was aiming...
Thanks for the add in.
I had one of these daisies when I was a kid back in the '80s. It was terrible with daisy ammo of any kind, but tightened up considerably with Crossman copperhead bb's and some other brand (honestly, I don't remember what it was at this point) pellets. It was best/most consistent at about 8-9 pumps with bb's, but you could pump it to about 12 without the overpressure valve going off with hollow point "hunting" pellets, and it shot super flat and hit really hard with those. I don't know what it'd do with modern alloy/light weight pellets, but it loved higher pressures with the old heavy lead ones. That little pellet gun is the reason I fell in love with shooting, and I wouldn't trade those memories for the world.
Awesome stuff
Power line 880 all day had this gun for 20+ yrs with a nice scope an it's by far the best gun I own.👍✌️
cool
Had the pumpmaster back in the 1980s. Great rifle. I was THAT kid though... I'd put 8 or 10 BBs down the barrel and shoot out over the pond. Had to keep barrel up so they wouldnt roll out the end. Also shot a perfect hole through the tip of my index finger. Was expecting a blast of air but a BB accidentally chambered. Oops lol. But that was the only time I ever shot my finger so while it was dumb, I did learn from it.
Thanks for adding in, KPO.
I believe the Crosman barrel 760 come with a smooth bore barrel so that why it shoots bb's better. The Daisy will shoot if you find the right pellet for it.
I will do more experimenting, KPO.
Grew up in the 60’s Dave. Back in those days parents were happiest when they couldn’t hear your screams. My two buddies and me had many a BB gun battle and when we got tired of shooting each other we’d capture a couple neighborhood kids and give them the count of 3. Can you imagine what would happen today? Thank God no one was ever hurt and the truth is our Daisy guns weren’t anywhere near the power of the ones you tested. They’d give you a welt and hurt like the dickens but that was about it. They were Winchester style and only single pump as I recall. The gun loaded out near the end of the barrel, and you had to turn the end of the barrel to open up a loading hole. The weird thing was if you failed to fully close that hole and pulled the trigger nothing happened, then when you realized what had happened and turned the end of the barrel to close the hole the gun would fire. Not the best design, I shot my finger more than once. As always Dave I enjoyed your video a great deal.
Thanks for that comment Fred. I really got a good laugh out of it. I hate to say it but I did some stuff with BB guns that I'm not too proud of either. Just like you, thank God no one got hurt. Thanks again, KPO.
Your gin was probably a daisy model 25
Sounds like you had a Red Ryder.
I've never own any of them but my old man asked me to do some research on these two air rifles because he's buying his first and your video is very informative. I was sure to like your video because I appreciate the level of detail for us rookies.
Glad to hear. Hope your purchase works out.
Great video, enjoyed that a lot. Besides the 760, Crosman made another rifle that was bigger, more similar to the 880. It was called the 766 American Classic. That was my first high powered BB air gun in '79. Before that I just had a Daisy single cock BB gun. Then in '85, I bought myself a brand new 880. I still have that one too. Both the Crosman 766 and the Daisy 880 were really good air rifles, man I loved them both and still do!
Thanks for the info
I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store and that thing at 10 pumps makes squirells explode litterally.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i gad tobse hiw strong it was since i didnt knoww how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today.
The 766 which I had also was replaced essentially by the 2100B Classic. 75-80$ the last time I bought one which was about 20 years ago at K-Mart. Great 10 pump higher quality BB gun. Trick is to only shoot pellets in it and use a decent 4X32 scope. BBs do make a mess of the rifling's over time.
I'm 12 and a proud owner of the 760 pumpmaster classic. I learned to shoot with that gun and now I'm the rifle champion for the state of Wyoming. I owe a lot to the pumpmaster and It's thebetter gun, in my opinion. (No angry comments, please)
Awesome! Congrats on that!
I had a 760 for about 16 years before it broke. I just bought one of each of these today to add to the armory that my 8yp daughter and I maintain for our shooting trips 😎
Very cool
Same here ... had a 760 and it was accurate. But it too broke after a long time, I'll go with 16 years but really don't know how long. One day, the pump just didn't catch like it just slid up and down with no resistance. So I bought a Gamo and that wasn't such a great move. For the money, I am in the market again and thinking just to go with another 760.
@@contemporaryfighter I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store and that thing at 10 pumps makes squirells explode litterally.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i gad tobse hiw strong it was since i didnt knoww how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today
@@MoejiiOsmanTV I wouldn't be surprised if the older model was better quality. Or could be squirrels are weaker today. Or both lol.
Great video Dave, thanks.
I have both rifles and what I find to be true with both is:
You have to see what pellets work for each gun.
Even two daisy 880s can prefer different pellets from each other.
Both the 760 and the 880 can be modded. Made to pump quietly. There are after market seals that allow you to pump 15 times and bring up your velocity another 100fps. And adding a better scope than the cheap ones they come with goes a real long way.
Keep making the great videos, your newest fan😀
Welcome, and I will keep the pellet thing in mind!
Hi Robert, can you tell me the manufacturer of the mod kit for the daisy 880? I have an old style 880 from the early 1980s. (I find the gun has always be very accurate. 1" to 1.5" groups at 15 yards with the super Point pellets. believe they're made by Beeman) Have you noticed any change in accuracy with the mod for the additional FPS?
Wer can i get thet after market seals they alouw you to pump for 15 times for my 880 please
I need thet after market seals witsh alouw you to pump vor 15 times vor my 880 were can i get it please
Numerous friends and I had air rifles growing up in the early to mid 70's. A couple had Daisy's and a couple had Crosman's. I had a Crosman 760 pumpmaster and we spent many a day together traveling the woods and fields pretending to be Jeremiah Johnson or Davey Crockett! Did have a friend that came from a more affluent family and he was gifted a Sheridan Blue Streak .22 cal. That was the top of the line pellet gun back then and there was some rifle envy if truth be told. Sure do miss those days but graduating to 22's, shotguns and full bore centerfire rifles was nice too. I do have a high power springer type pellet rifle in .22 cal that I enjoy to shoot on occasion now.
The sound of that Daisy being pumped reminded me of the hundreds of times I would be pumping mine as I was running through the woods chasing a squirrel as it ran along tree to tree, KPO.
A friend of mine had the Crosman 760 ( early model ) And i had the Sears model 880 that i got for christmas early 70"s ( says crafted by daisy ) . Still have it today and installed new o- rings ,shoots like new again .We shot the heck out of them .
@@joedokes8641 I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store and that thing at 10 pumps makes squirells explode litterally.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i gad tobse hiw strong it was since i didnt knoww how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today
@@MoejiiOsmanTV Excellent !!! I think you right about vintage guns . I have 2 Sheridans 2 Benjis and few Daisys and I love them all . The newer guns just don't have it , more like toys ? Spent many hours with my 880 still have it . Good memories . Congats on the find . Don't sell it .
I have the daisy powerline 880 and it is amazing and great for small game hunting. Before I got the daisy I got that crossman and it was broken when I opened it up. Daisy is better than crossman.
Don't make 'em like they used to.
Many years ago I use to coach a local competitive youth shooting team co-sponsored by the US JC's and Daisy BB Gun Co. I was always amazed at how accurate the BB guns were. That being said I invested in a Daisy Red Rider for old times sake and to teach my grandchildren safe gun handling and shooting. I am sorry to say that BB gun was a poor shooter ad very inconsistent. No longer made in Arkansas as before. I am very disappointed. The Pellet and BB guns were much better when I was a kid. Good Luck
As you saw I didn't do very good with either of these, KPO.
They just don't mak'em like they used to.
Arkansas here. Red Ryder/880 💯
I'm 55. I had a daisy powerline 880. At about 30 to 40 feet I could shoot about a 50 cent size. I got a certificate for 12 and under at 4H camp. One of my cousins could make all his shots touch with his 880. I'm not sure what bb guns were used but I watch my friend and my brother shoot bottles in the air. My brother used a pistol. My friend used a rifle. I could never do it. Also my old 880, when it was new, would penetrate an aluminum can with one pump and the can wouldn't fall over.
These are the type of reviews we need on CZcams fair and straight to the point. I had already purchased the Crosman and wanted the daisy because of the longer barrel thinking it would be more accurate but as seen here it’s not.
I've been doing better with the Daisy with only 7 pumps
I had both of them. I always enjoyed the Daisy more. At the time the Crosman was more powerful than the Daisy but I see that has changed. I really liked the handle on the Daisy pump.
Both of them! You must of been the envy of the other kids, KPO.
I totally agree. I would never chose crosman over daisy. I have both those guns crosman is WAY harder to pump. The bbs don't load as nicely as the daisy. The Daisy is lighter, feels better in your hands and WAY more accurate than corpsman.
He's using the weak version of crossman. I could hit a quarter at 30yrds np. No rest either, standing up shot. That was when I could see better. 😜
@@plove9136 exactly, the older pumpmasters were much strongwr then wats out now..I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store and that thing at 10 pumps makes squirells explode litterally.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i gad tobse hiw strong it was since i didnt knoww how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today
@@MoejiiOsmanTV I agree. And blasted my share of animals. Clean pass.. they were made in USA, everything was. Oh the seventies, I used to ride my bike through the city with my gun on the handlebars. Not today!!! I upgraded to pcp 25 semi-auto 10 shot mg. delivers 50FPE. It's a beast and I love it. And got a 380fps crossbow with scope, oh boy.(PENETRATOR) ... both are very quiet. Unless I take off the suppressor... Merry Christmas and I pray God blesses you with peace and strength.
My first bb gun was a crossman.. its stock was cut off into a pistol grip, and the barrel was only 3 inches past the hand guard or pump.. it became my favorite toy instantly.. was given to me by a stranger who was being followed by police men..
That is a weird way to get a BB gun!
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors that's what the cops told me...🤔
Power line all the way 💪
My old one killed many squirrels, KPO.
All day.
Nope
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors I've been using an 880 for squirrel hunting since the '70's. Great rifles. I have a '72 model smoothbore, an '85 model, and a newer '12 model. All great rifles and perfect for stealthy and safe squirrel hunting.
I use a Barra 1866 lol
I had a LOT of time with a Daisy Model 25. It was a one pump, open sights with a tube magazine which held 50 bb's. The actual barrel the bb's traveled down was about14 inches. The magazine/barrel was one piece and screwed into the front of the rifle. It was quite powerful for a one pump and surprisingly accurate. Allowed to run free in the woods with it, I'm ashamed of the things I did with it, but that's on me. This was something I learned, and I raised my kids differently.
I'm the same with what I did and what my kids do too.
Elaborate?
@@MC-hs4mf Not getting into specifics. I killed a lot of creatures that did not deserve it, and I cringe at the disrespect I showed mother Nature. Broke some windows, too. 😞😓
@@azzir325 yeah I shot many birds and squirrels and said I wouldn’t do it again but the squirrels are becoming nuisance like acorns on car motor.
@@MC-hs4mf The model 25 would not kill a squirrel. It was hell on birds though and could drop a chipmunk IF you hit him in the soft spot behind the ear.
Grey squirrels are game animals and I never had any pest greys to deal with beyond their annoying bird feeder nonsense. Tasty if you cook them tender.
Crosman 760 Pumpmaster - smooth bore barrel
Daisy 880 - rifled steel barrel
This is why the 760 shoots more accurately with bb's and the 880 with pellets. It's the same as a shotgun vs a rifle. Firing bb's or shot in a rifled barrel will result in poor accuracy and damage the rifling over time. Lead airgun pellets need a twist imparted on them like a rifle bullet to stabilize during flight.
So between the two... choose by whether you want to shoot bb's or pellets and stick with that projectile type.
Thanks for adding to the discussion, KPO.
I have a 760 thats so old it still has the rifled barrel. Recently bought a seal kit for it and completely rebuilt everything and now it shoots like it did when I first bought it in 1999. Ok, so I also modded it as well thanks to CZcams videos! Shooting just shy of 800 fps on 8 pumps. Because I decreased the volume of the valve assembly, i don't pump it beyond 8. Any more than that and I risk valve locking the poor thing!
@@justinl9677 Yep, the older 760's were rifled. The one I had as a kid was. Wish I still had it.
From what I have seen, I the earliest 760s were smoothbores. Sometime after that, they switched to a rifled barrel for a while, and then switched back to smoothbores, where they remain currently. I recently purchased a 760 purposely because of the smoothbore. I wanted one rifle that I could dedicate to BBs and not wonder if the rifling might be damaged by shooting BBs in a rifled barrel.
Had them both & my $38.00 Walmart Daisy with the right pellet is very accurate. I put 1000s of bbs + pellets thru it and it finally broke. I had the Crossman as a kid & will buy both again.
nice
My 880 can shoot 1 inch groups at 20-30 yards with the crosman premier hollow points
That's impressive, KPO.
how many pumps?
@@modelnutty6503 10, but keep in mind I am using a decent scope on top. I checked my zero the other day and shot two 5 shot groups at 25 yards and got a 3/4" group, then a 1.5" group. The trigger is the biggest problem on this rifle imo
Not sure how this ended up as a suggested video but this is great! When we were kids, my brother had the Daisy, I had the Crosman and I thought back then that the Crosman was the better air rifle. It just felt nicer in hand. I thought the pump on the Daisy felt a little flimsy. They were both great air rifles. Makes me one to go out and get another one!
Do it, they are still fun.
I had a Daisy 880. I got it for Christmas '82. Mine was a tack driver especially compared to the new one in your video. Looks like quality has gone way down over the years. Whatta shame. I sure enjoyed the video though. Have a good one!
Thanks for the comment. I don't claim to be a great shot and there was some wind that day, but I expected better groups with the Daisy, KPO.
Totally agree . Way to much plastic . The early ones were the best.
I got a Daisy 880 not long ago for $60 bucks at Walmart and I have not used it yet but looking forward making memories with the grandkids .
Also I like the fact that it came with a scope.
Thanks for the video...
Have fun with it!
I grew up with 4 brothers in the mid to late 70's. We had crossman 760's. We had a blast with them. We used to go out in the woods and play war. We only pumped them up 3 times and shot each other in the ass only!
3 pumps and ass only. Back then those were perfectly safe rules! Thanks for adding that in, KPO.
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors 😂😂
50 + years ago I had the Crosman 760 power master (yes, back then the pump master was called a power master. The pump master was a different gun at the time) smoothbore. I put a scope on it and painted the checkering with my sister's sparkle green fingernail polish (🙄 Kids...). Boy, she was mad! My friend had the same 760 too and much fun was had by us both. Shoot at the schoolyard, in the field, out in the neighborhood, etc. Great times as those things were considered to be normal back then amd not a cause for worry.
It was a different time right!
The barrel has to set in on the daisy 880 it is new riflings and the 880 will out shoot them all with crosman hollow points that's what they like I shoot the new and old models every day I can every time at 30 yards hit a 2 inch target with both guns I just got my son a new 880 and his is the same thing he is 11 years old and can hit that 2 inch target about 8 out of ten times at 30 yards so we both have the crosman 760 to but not so good just break that barrel in or clean it and get some crosman hollow points you will see then the 880 likes a heavy pellet no bbs it has a rifled barrel you shouldn't shoot bbs in it they do make lead bbs for rifled barrels they work good in the 880 just a tip and fact
Thanks for adding in, KPO.
It took me a long time to get my dad to buy me one my brother n I shared it best pump I ever seen broke bricks,blocks, n shot thru 3/4 plywood with ease
fun stuff
As far as current models, I have to give the nod to Daisy. My 901 was a little more expensive but the build quality is a lot better. Crosman did just introduce a new .22 pumper called the 362. It could become king of the under $100 guns.
Interesting
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors Another thing I forgot to mention is the 760 pumpmaster is a smoothbore and the Daisy 880 is rifled. The Daisy 35 is smoothbore and is very accurate with BBs. You might try the 880 again with heavier pellets if you want to shoot it at 10 pumps. Mine does well with h&n barracuda hunters. It shoot lightweight pellets better at 5 pumps.
@@eddieb1766 Crossman is deadly accurate
@@wowwzzuh4682 I wish my new 362 was but sadly it isn't.
@@eddieb1766 As long As I can put a bb in a rabbit brown hole and make it leave my garden alone
Worked at a Hobby Shop that sold Air Rifles. Even the High Power 9mm 40cal and 45cal 45cal hollow points at 3000psi and needed a $300 Air pump to pump them up ( or taken to a Dive Shop ) and can be use to Hunt Deer and Boar. We sold Daisy Pellets and Crosman Pellets. You could see the quality difference just by eye. Crosman were Oily and Misshapen. Daisy's were Dry and Perfect.
Tried both Daisy and Crosman Inexpensive Rifles. Had a 40' Shooting lane in the store for costumers to try before they buy.
10 Full Pumps and Crosman could never hit the target. Targets being 6" round.
The inexpensive Daisy 856 ( if I remember correctly ) for $65 came with shooting goggles, Pellets and BB's, 4x Scope and a few targets. At 3 Pumps... Only 3... Using Daisy Pellets, I not only Hit the Target but Bullseyes and several through the Same Hole... Used Crosman Pellets and 3 Pumps... Could not hit the target if my life depended on it. Hell, they wouldn't even hit the slightly larger than Notebook Paper the targets were made/Printed on..
You may say "Bullshit" and call me a Liar but I made my Own Targets using 3x5 Card Stock and used a pencil to draw targets slightly smaller than a thumb tack and hitting them dead center with just the 3 Pumps, 4 pumps to go through the card stock and was putting them through the same holes... I had the Store Owner Sign the Cards so I had proof and still have them. We sold Several Daisys after that.
So I would go with Daisy and only use Daisy Pellets.
Very interesting, thank you.
Had a crossman 760 20 years ago, was pretty pleased with it's accuracy especially with pellets. Got a new one a few years ago, pellet accuracy was awful and found they were tumbling every which way. Discovered the Crossman had a a brass barrel, with NO RIFLING!! I was pretty shocked, has this changed ?
I had a Dianawerk as a kid, so I wonder how that would stack up against these two. It was break barrel pellet only. It was pretty accurate, but I was always envious of the kids with lever action bb guns. It was a rate of fire thing :)
these weren't accurate
What Fred said!!!!
Crosman 760 has always been a smoothbore.
My 880 says rifled on the barrel.
The Crossman 760 was my first BB gun back in the 1970’s. Short foregrip. Wish I still had it. I do still have a Daisy Powerline 717 pistol.
Good stuff
The 880 has indeed changed over the years. The use of more plastic and the internals are different and all models since around the early 80s are now riffled. The outward appearance, size and dimensions haven't seemed to change though. Still the modern day 880 is a great gun. Even though it's mostly plastic wrapped around a metal chassis the fit and finish is tight and of good quality especially when compared to the crosman pumpers.
Years ago when I owned my first 880 I also owned a crosman 66. Back then I felt the crosman was more accurate but the Daisy was more powerful. I'm not sure if my 880 back then was riffled or not. Today I own a modern day 880 and a crosman legacy 1000. When the 1000 was working properly it was more powerful then The 880 but accuracy is equal in my opinion. I get speeds on average tested with my crono of 680 fps using a 8.2 gr pellet and an effective range out to 40 yards. Some day maybe I'll order a set of seals for my legacy 1000 but honestly I'm in no hurry because I love my 880 so much and I really don't miss shooting the 1000 because The 880 is such a great gun.
thanks for adding in
i bought one of the new ones and seemed much cheaper than one i had as a kid
@@tonystonebraker8616 It should and no one has said they are better built then the older ones. But they are still built well IMO. If you really want to see a cheaply made piece of junk waste your money on a Crosmen Legacy 1000. Only after three outting with it did it fail.
I had the powerline growing up. The thing was crazy accurate. I shot that thing for years. Sometimes I would load 3 or 4 BBs at a time. Still just as accurate. I had a lot of fun with that thing.
I like the shotgun idea!
The older crosmans were much more powerful then todays pumpmasters, you also have to add a scope to get the best experience, I found a vintage 1976 crosman 761xl at a pawn store (has real wood unlike the plastic of today) and that thing at 10 pumps goes 600ft and makes squirells explode litterally n super accurate with a scope.. I know its bad but i couldnt resist i had to see how strong it was since i didnt know how long it was sitting at the pawnshop. I dont know what it is but the bb guns from the 60s 70s and 80s seem much stronger then wats out today
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I had both as a kid. Well still have my Daisy 880 that I had as a kid and one I bought from Walmart a year ago. It is modified though with a carbon fiber shroud, 3D printed baffle, pic rail and bug buster scope. Less then 1" group at 20 yards. The Daisy 880 that I had as a kid is not in working order but could be. I found seal replacement kit for it but it cost as much as buying a new gun so I opted to do that instead. As a kid I liked my Crosman best due to accuracy.
Does the Crosman not come with a five-shot pellet clip anymore? When I bought one about 8-10 years ago it did.
Mine did not, KPO.
Yes my powermaster 66 had magazine clip when I bought it 2 decades ago, and it's extremely useful. What was Crosman thinking dropping such useful feature from their rifles?
@@springer-qb4dv i bought two of them four years ago and they had clips for pellets.
The 760 doesn't use the 5 shot magazine any more. Too bad, as it worked well.
@@jonneet2126 What an odd decision Crosman made. I'm glad I got mine when I did.
How DARE you not show a clip from A Christmas Story! lol
I know! What's wrong with me? We actually have the leg lamp at our deer camp. It's featured in several vids so I have no excuse. Thanks for watching, KPO.
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I had the crosman when I was a kid (about 8 years old) and I had a lot of fun with it hunting and plinking. But when I went to college a cousin borrowed it and it never came back. So I bought another one when I was about 35 but my brother in law wanted it and I gave it to him. When I was going to buy the third one it was out of stock and I bought the Daisy. After watching your video I did the same test and I found it is very inaccurate with BBs but very accurate with pellets regardless how many pumps you do. I did the testing with open sight and also with the included scope.
I'm gonna try more with pellets.
This debate has started many a fist fight 🤣
I think you're right, KPO.
Kust had one last year. Price doubled. 880 is easier to puml. 880 has a mag et to hold bbs. What is cool is that if you put the pellet in backwards, lots more damage. Loved it.
Interesting
From my experience crossman is just the better pick
It's more accurate
Ive killed more with it while hunting and hit more targets while just messing around
Daisy is good if you got it I've hunted with it before but I prefer crossman
Also should say I still use the same pump master for pest control even now
Thanks for adding in, KPO.
Same here. I had the 880 and my bud had the pumpmaster in early 80s. Had a blast for a few summers until pump brook handle from relentless use. Glad to see these are still popular. Need to pick one up again as in 2022 ammo prices arent exactly great for plinking
They are fun.
Have a 40 year old crossman 760. Still works like a champ. Deadly accurate. Hate to replace it.
Hopefully you wont have to. KPO
Hang onto it they don't make them like that anymore . They can be rebuilt .
Will do thank you.
@@brothergas1260 Have 4 early 70"s Daisy 880' s . All of them work.
The Daisy 22x is a version of the 880, but it has a wooden stock and is .22cal. It's usable for hunting rabbits and squirrels. If you want to spend a little more you can get a benjamin392 or a sheridan blue streak. Those are very good rifles for plinking or hunting small game.
cool thanks for the info
My 11 yr.old son just recieved a youth,Red Ryder from his adult cusin remembering the fun he had as a young boy. Thanks for the saftey tips looks fun.
I have a Red Ryder video in the makings. It should be fun!
I had the Daisy single pump air rifle when I was 12 yrs old. I now have the powerline 880 I love it and my sights were dead on . I didn't have to bother it. I purchased it today at a pawnshop for 20 bucks! The guy even threw in a free 4000 count of Daisy bbs!
nice!
Hey man I'm a big air gunner and one thing that I've learned over the years is that pellet guns like certain pellets so to get the best shot groupings you're going to have to find out the certain pellet that that pellet gun likes
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In 1967, My parents gifted me a Crosman 'Powermaster' 760 (not pumpmaster then), which was the predecessor of the pumpmaster 760, with the short forearm. My model had a white metal receiver and a brass bolt, and a solid wood stock and forearm. I think the only plastic on this rifle was the BB Magazine feed button. It had a rifled barrel (meekly rifled) but I always worried about shooting BBs out of it to avoid damaging the rifling. I primarily used crosman pellets. The pellets were insanely accurate in my gun and found that I quickly learned my personal marksmanship limitation and decided to mount a scope, Crosman 4x I think.The thing was scary accurate and could easily put pellets in the same holes at 10-15 yards. I believe, according to the manual, we could pump it up, not to exceed 25 times but found that beyond 12-15 pumps, it would just leak the pressure. My closest friend received one that year as well. We literally shot these to their ruin. Wish I could get another one from that year. About 10 years ago, I bought a Walmart Crosman Pumpmaster 760, with the short plastic forearm, for $39 and was seriously disappointed with the rifle. It was all plastic, Felt cheap, and couldn't shoot a group to save it's own life. I thought, what an embarrassment for Crosman to sell this thing and name it like the original. They should have named it the POS 760. I also have, STILL, a Crosman Model 1400 Pumpmaster in .22 Cal. All wood and steel and still shoots. Crosman used to make some might fine air rifles.
No these new cheap ones don't seem to shoot well for me either, thanks for adding in, KPO.
Like em both i use my Crosman pumpmaster for bb shooting and my Daisey 880 for pellet shooting.
Endless fun with either!
Spigen older. I had a wooden stock Daisy Red Rider spring action and a wooden stock Crossman pump. The Crossman had a max pump of 21. I know later versions only pumped to 10. Shot thousands and thousands of of BB, probably only a tin or two of pellets. For simple target practice, loved the Daisy. For critter control nothing could beat the Crossman. But the Daisy was the one to pick to encourage the neighbors dog or cat to go home and stop digging in my mom's flowers. Or to discourage the squirrels from eating the bird's food.
I have had a Red Ryder for years too. Just ordered the Heritage package. Will do a vid on that also.
As a teenager in the late 70's I had a second hand Crosman, not sure of the model, probably a 760. When I got it, the forearm was missing, so I just whittled out a piece of wood to fit the steel pump lever. It was very accurate, I could skip a cigarette but up the road at 6-8 yds. with BB's. My older brothers had Daisy Red Rider's, the Crosman was way more powerful. I have no idea what happened to it, I'd love to find it.
Good memories right!
I have shot a Daisy air rifle when I was a kid, I also shot Benjamin and crosman air rifles
I liked all three.
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Dang. I just bought the Daisy Powerline 880 at Big 5 in Grass Valley, CA, and paid $90 for it. Wish I had shopped around a bit more, but this gun, out of the box, without the scope attached, is very, very accurate.
I've done better with only 7 pumps.
I still have a short fore arm pump master still in good condition and I also have the new power line.
Cool
Grew up with 880s. My brother and I would blow out tea light candles in our parents basement with them. Super accurate little guns.
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GenXer here, who grew up in the burbs with bb guns. I had the Crossman that was styled like an M-16 with the upper BB chamber and shot .177 pellets via horizonal clip. All us guys had "bb gun" wars, just wearing shop goggles, because paintball guns weren't a thing yet. I can't believe no one got blinded.
I know! Crazy stuff.
I bought the 760 pump master for my 11 year old son and he likes it. I was going to get him a 880 daisy but I'm glad I went with crossman . If you get Hoppes air rifle cleaning kit and clean and oil the barrel you will get the better groups and way more power. The crossman f 4 is a great pellet rifle I have also. Crossman is reliable and accurate
thanks for adding in
@@KnettersPracticalOutdoors No problem I support hunting and survival.
I've had one of each for a long time (decades), both have their various issues but never had any major problems with either. The older models seem to be a little more robust than the newer ones. Thanks.
Older does seem better
The key to getting good accuracy with BB's is to keep the range short and don't try any kind of precision shooting. Within 10 yards accuracy can be pretty decent, but it will rapidly open up beyond that. As you go out farther your group size will get exponentially worse. Your groups won't be three times the size at 30 yards as they are at 10 yards, they'll be ten times the size. Just imagine a baseball pitcher throwing a curve ball. That's how BB's function. The farther away it gets the more it will deviate from your line of sight. After you've sighted it in, don't bother shooting from a bench. Shoot it off hand or kneeling and try to hit some moving targets. If you hang a target from a string every hit will set it in motion and make it more challenging to hit. I like to throw soda cans into the air and then try to shoulder the rifle and hit them in flight. A Red Ryder is great for that.
No BB guns are powerful. The typical multipump BB gun like a Daisy 880 or Crosman 760 is putting out between 6 and 7 foot pounds of energy with 10 pumps, 8 foot pounds at most using bb's and maybe a bit more with pellets. A Red Ryder is putting out about 1.5 foot pounds. To put things in perspective, break barrel airguns typically put out between 10 and 20 foot pounds depending on the model and some can put out as much as 30, although that's unusual. A typical .22 long rifle is putting out about 120 foot pounds. I remember when I was a kid we used to think that pumping up our guns 50 or 100 times would give us that kind of power out of them. It doesn't work that way. Eventually you reach a point where the pump can't force any more air into the chamber and for a stock gun you won't gain much velocity by pumping more than 10 times.
The advantages BB's have are that they're compact, feed easily, are non-toxic and are literally the cheapest things you can shoot other than rocks with a slingshot.
Yes, lately I've only pumped the Powerline up to 7 and the accuracy is much better. Thanks for adding in that info!
Daisy All Day - because you can pump fast without ever worrying about pinching your hand - super accurate and powerful
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I've got the Daisy 880 with an upgraded scope and I can hit dimes at 60 ft. with BBs. The gun is amazingly consistent.
I've been pumping the Daisy Powerline to 7 and I find the accuracy to be much better.
I've used and grew up with the 760 and iI will use no other. The pellets are really designed for higher velocity shots than either one of these rifles can offer.
Great review.Thanks
Thanks for the input.
Shot the 760 back in the late 80s with the shorter pump. I could consistently shoot the tips off glass bottles @ 50 ft. Just bought an 880 last night with scope. I'm older now so eyesight is a little difficult using regular sights so I am initially using the scope and trying to get groups with it. I'm learning how to shoot again so my breathing and squeezing are not like it used to be. Give me a few days with it and hopefully my grouping gets better.
Thanks for the comment, KPO.
During the last 5 yrs, or so, I've been given 2, vintage powermasters. Both were inoperable and I sent them to an air-gun armorer, for a rebuild. The armorer told me that these rebuilds are good for another 25 yrs.
Very cool
Yep mine was $36.97 or something 3 months ago at Walmart, last month I checked and they're $60 ! My Ruger Air Hawk Elite 2 (1200 fps) was only $106 this summer
yes I might invest in a better one soon
It's just the BB rifle itself as to how accurate it is . I've owned both kinds . It was a bit of a hassle, but I kept returning them till I got one that was on target at 50 feet . So both models shoot straight if you get a good one .
Interesting!
Thanks! I got my Daisy 880 in 1972 when they first came out. I STILL HAVE IT and it was used hard! I had to fix the stock that broke much later in life and rebuild the pump, which came with a new handle, from Daisy. Back in the day, you had to buy the scope separately. The frame on mine is smooth metal and a solid gun for what it is and shoots well. ...I always thought Crossman BB's were made a little bit better/smoother, which might add a variable to this comparison.
Good stuff. Thanks for adding in.
I use to have the daisy 880. I would place 2 pellets in it at once one behind the other and it still shot with extreme accuracy! Both pellet hit the target at the same time leaving a bigger hole causing twice the damage
Never heard of that technique!
still got my pump master with the short pumping arm from when i was a kid, shoots like it's new
Good to hear.
Fun video I have a Daisy 880 from the 80's still in my collection also had a friend that had a crosman with the short pump when we were kids I did notice on the box the crosman was made in USA that's a win God Bless ALL.
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I also shot a pellet and a bb together. The bb sits so well behind the pellet wen inside the chamber wen shot the bb actually adds more power to the pellet giving it extra penetration power to the target. I once shot through a wooden fence from 30 yards
Interesting!
i had both guns as a kid in the 80's. i still have a daisy...not from the 80's i wore them out lol. my thoughts were the same mostly. i prefered the daisy mostly because it was easier to pump. i seem to remember that the crossman may not be rifled. i believe the daisy is. the crossman i had was a more accurate as i remember. i still liked the daisy better and it lasted longer. i use to pump mine way past 10 lol load 2 bb's even 3 at a time and it took my abuse lol. the crossmans didnt last for me.
Great stuff
I'm 61 years old and it had to be when the daisy first came out i think i was 10 or 11 when i got mine for christmas and loved it out of all my friends i had the most powerful gun and thats with my friends having both types. One time i pumped mine 60 times and shot a pellet thru a stop sign at about 4 inches away. My friends that had daisy's would not pump up 60 times
60! that's awesome!
This is so funny, I own both those air rifles and enjoy shooting them to this day and I am 66 yrs old,,,in fact, this afternoon I took my Red Rider out for several hundred rounds before the cold sets in here in N E.
Hey Dave ,,, my folks gave myself and my brother both , new 760 Powermasters one year for Christmas ( 75' , 76' ) ,, I still have both of them to this day . Mine still shoots like new, my brother's stopped working years back . Probably just a seal , but I kept his in case mine ever stopped working ..... As for accuracy , it was as good as we were at the time ..... many a frog and a few assorted other "varmints" felt its wrath . Never owned a daisy , so can't speak to those... but I wouldn't give up my Crosman for anything .... So many good memories . After all, isn't that why we still play with them today , to relive our youth !! Good review , and I may have to pickup a new 760' and do my own comparison 😀
Very cool, thanks for adding that in, KPO.
i like the power-line daisy because it worked for me and am getting some pretty tight groups.
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Iirc, the Crosman is smooth bore, where the Daisy is rifled. The original pumpmaster was rifled too. The Daisy is a pellet rifle where the pumpmaster is just a bb gun that can shoot pellets.
got it
I bought the 880 in 1984 and it never worked. Pumped but would not hold air and never fired. I have a 5 year old 760 now and it works great. No problems putting a bb in the chamber.
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I have a Daisy powerline that I have had most of my life and so far it has been a very good gun .
you bet
I have a Crosman Legacy 1000 and I love it! Sure it shoots BB's around 850 with mine, but it's worth the price even if the advertising is sketchy.
I will keep that in mind, thanks.
Our neighborhood was the same as yours, I had the Daisy and everyone else had the crosman. Thanks for the review and walk down memory lane.
You are welcome!
One thing I like about the Crossman is that they don't even bother including a scope. The scope that comes with the Daisy leaves much to be desired, and most people wind up tossing it anyway.
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I love air rifles! They're so cheap to run, you don't need earpro, and all the practice you get from it carries straight over to the "real thing". I can go out and have a blast popping cans all day for pennies on the dollar, and it's a great reason for me to get off the computer and head outside when I don't feel motivated to. There's a reason these are still sold today, even with dirt cheap and good quality .22LR offerings in the same form factor and weight range. Don't forget too, you can absolutely do some pest control and small game hunting with these. I've bagged a few squirrels in my day with a Powerline 35, even at the low end of power it's still definitely serviceable for the rodent-laden task.
Well said! Thanks for adding that in.
I'm 44 years old since I was a child I always shot and hunting with the Powerline Daisy best BB guns and pellet gun on the market everyday use with a budget he was reliable and every way
good stuff