Cards We Cut... And Then Re-Added | EDHRECast 187
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- We never should have cut these cards in the first place! Today we're discussing cards we removed from our decks, only to later realize how much we loved them after all.
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My biggest goof was selling my Dockside Extortionist right after I bought that precon because I thought “no one will have enough artifacts and enchantments in play to make this good….” I was a really new player and thought the meta was gonna be like standard…..boy I was wrong.
I did something similar but nothing as valuable so i feel you there!
I got rid of swan song. Came from yugioh where givin opponents monsters regardless what for isnt a good thing.
Man. The amount ive been swan songed now its just not funny 😅😭
@@BFG93 Haha, luckily for me I watched how busted it was on the Command Zone but I could’ve made that same mistake if it wasn’t for that.
I traded my Damnation 15
4 years ago for a stack of 12 cards. I was lucky and cracked 2 this year
I did the same thing, sold it for 14ish when it was $20, now I could buy an entire deck for what I could sell dockside for
Definitely cut and add back basics the most.
Winds of Abandon is the best board wipe that no one plays.
Hard agree. That card wins games and is even good mid game if your pod is full of decks with decked out mana bases.
Love it. Exile all opponents creatures for 6 mana is no joke.
@@faerie7dragon Wow a real live monster here in the comments.
Jk that's brilliantly mean
@@faerie7dragon straight fire! Sounds like just what I need in my life
Only have two decks that use it.. maybe I'll snag some more copies.
Blade of Selves is great in Kardur Doom Scourge too! It makes Kardur do 6-12 damage from the other attacking ones dieing and retriggers his "Goad" ability.
Just this week I tutored out a dawn charm with sunforger in my own feather deck. It saved me like 20 life that turn and eventually it did matter as I won at like 7 life, so yeah, it felt so good to just fog at the right time and more than good it felt really really powerful!
Bounce lands made their way back into most of my decks because of MDFCs
Bounce lands are unplayable. Even in that scenario. They're horrible lands.
An embarrassing number of mutate decks run invisible stalker as well
I was guilty of this for a hot minute (in Ortimi, which is pretty much the same deck as Brokkos). I also ran Sakashima, who is a human...in your hand. Turns out, Sakashima is a GEAT mutate target, because he's never actually a human unless you're copying a human. So Sakashima could stay, Invisible Stalker had to go.
@@Stray7 I built a whole Nine-fingers clone/mutate deck with Gyruda companion on moxfield. I mean ward 9 life on a mutate target?! I was so proud then realized Nine-fingers was a human....
@@aces6123 heck, I ran into this last night when I was playing with Protean Thaumaturge...who I hadn't turned into another creatures, so he was still a human when I tried to pile on a bunch of Mutates.
Winds of Abandon is my favorite white board wipe by far. So little can make it through that.
And usually, no one is running enough basics to make up for the tempo lost by wiping their entire board. Seriously, people. RUN MORE BASICS.
My favorite deck is Ghave, Guru of Spores, and the card that I took out of there was Fanatical Devotion. I felt kind of iffy about the amount of protection it provided until I saw someone else use it in a token deck to almost blank a board wipe. With Ghave, the more free sac outlets the better, and a sac outlet that can protect your important creatures is absolutely nutty
Look forward to this every Friday!
Indeed especially Matt's dad jokes
Whatever I imprint with Chrome Mox goes on the "maybe remove this" list
I got a deck all about baiting opponents into an overcommit, then turning their plans to dust. Teferi's Protection, Force of Despair, Comeuppance..that kind of thing. Dramatic Reversal is the one I really want in the deck, think it's too limited, then put back in because it's metal.
Fond Memory of Momentous Fall:
The first time I ever used Momentous Fall was in the sealed release for Rise of the Eldrazi and I hit Pelakka Wurm with it in more than one game. I took 2nd.
Thalisse I can do is recognize how good that pun was. Matt's jealous you got to it first!, Joey!
Well you definitely got the spirit for nit^^
Momentous Fall in an Omnath, Locus of Mana deck is absolutely insane! I’ve won so many games with Momentous Fall! Worth four mana, every time!
I can relate to Dana's update process. I love tweaking/optimizing my decks as well and keep track of which cards I swap 😄
Thanks Dana! Shambling suit will go straight into my Brudiclad deck.
Lightning Greaves. I had cut it out but finally started slotting it back in and has won me 2 games in the last week alone
Love you guys! Great show as always! I would love to see some more family decks Joey! As well as some of Matt’s personal decks too! I follow Dana’s Arichidekt so I always know what he’s cooking!
Whoa whoa whoa... Serra's Sanctum is fine. Just let it be.
Absolutely nothing to see here! 😂 So bonkers with Trudge Garden and a Soul Sister. 😉
Great discussion! Also just realised that Dawn Charm has a mad typo on it!
Ice cauldron is my pet card for Vega. It synergizes soo well and allows you to safely store away important spells in exile zone to be casted whenever later. Like a complicated foretell of the old days. I've slotted Manglehorn back into some of my decks too recently to put some hate on the treasures everywhere. Very happy with it. My Vega deck runs Leyline of Singularity to combat treasures.
The cutting of cards after making the piles for deck making is always the hardest.
Dana I always run strip mine and waste land plus depending on color a spell,/ creature because my playgroup love to run stupid lands to do broken things.
I personally go through build cycles. Maybe part of that is due to having ~30 cmdr decks or maybe its due to wanting a critical mass of cards to be able to change.
As for what I took out, then added back in... such would have to be Twisted Image in my Tetsuko Umezawa (Fugitive) low numbers matters brew. Since the deck now has Charix (the Raging Isle), Spontaneous Mutation, and Serendib Sorcerer, being able to switch power and toughness has become much more important. This can help as a sort of alternative removal, because if a creature I want gone has zero power, all I have to do is find a way to swap those two numbers at the bottom to get it off the board. Also, Charix is really beefy, so getting the leviathan crab to 1 power, then switching the power and toughness can lead to a lot of damage. Now I just need more weird sea monsters and numbers switching options.
33:33 Probably because they are running Fires of Yavimaya. Also, one cards that definitely fills that slot (take out- put back in) for me is Plea for Power. Yaay, engagement!
Great episode. I should be playing Manglehorn!
took out unearth in kess because it didnt have anything to hit that was impactful, added doomsday, added unearth back. Turns out it can target thoracle
For me the deck that I take stuff out then put back in would be my Zaffai deck. Because we always get new Instant and Sorceries to play with and I change the deck to see if they fit. And if they don't, I swap back in the stuff I took out.
Hammer of Purphoros in Omnath, since you want Titania in there anyways.
I don’t need to make a log of changes…because Moxfield does it all for me! B)
Dana! *I* care about Shambling suit. It went into my Standard Enchantifacts deck, then into my Historic deck... I should make a commander deck around it
Not sure if it counts but I keep pulling and re-adding Furnace of Rath, Dictate of the Twin Gods, and Fiery Emancipation from my Heartless Hidetsugu and Inferno of the Star Mounts decks to put in the other. Those cards are expensive.
Whenever somebody says "Dawn Charm", I always think of that Law and Order 'CHUNG CHUNG' sound
I have a hard time with my Edgar markov build there are just so many good vampires that I’m always sad that I have good vampires that can’t make the deck
I took deflecting swat and fierce guardianship out of pako//haldan, swapped them out fore bolt bend and stubborn Denial. Put the first two in to two of my weaker decks, and now their more fun
YUS my weekly dose of some EDHREC
Vanishing verse in my teysa orzhov scion deck. I’ve cut it a couple of times because my playgroup has a lot of problem cards that are multi colored, And I kept just happening To have it instead of a different removal spell. But then I played against a couple of my buddies decks That Had leyline of the void or Rest In Peace, Or scavenging ooze or something like that, And it found its way back in because I remembered why it was there
The card that I cut and re-add is the worst card that enables my strategy. As I play the deck, the focus of it tends to get more and more narrow. I keep cutting cards that don't enable the strategy and putting back in that worst card that does. For instance, when I built Jetmir, the worst token generator in the deck is Leonin Warleader. Originally I had cut the card but had token support cards like beastmaster ascension, and cathar's crusade but as I get more reps in the deck, I kept eliminating cards that don't directly enable the strategy and putting Leonin Warleader back in. Then I'd find a new card from the new set that was a better token generator than Leonin and pull Leonin out, just to eliminate another card such as aura shards that doesn't directly support the strategy in favor of Leonin Warleader. Already looking at the spoilers for next set, I know Leonin Warleader is going to get pulled out again and replaced by Archivist of Oghma because the deck is lighter on card draw than I'd like. But this is the trend of my decks. The focus gets more and more narrow and it's the worst card that is within that focus that keeps getting swapped back in.
“Sports ball analogy” hahaha
Dawn Charm is missing a space between the words "that" and "would"
Yea I noticed the same thing. Wonder if it’s a Easter egg or future Easter egg… 👀👀👀
Ooooh i used deathbringers chant in my go-shintai shrine deck and it is strait value in that deck
Tangle and Imprisoned in the Moon 🌙. Will never take em out again.
Ogre Battledriver is the best haste enabler in my Omnath deck. +2/+0 AND haste? Yes, please!
After getting curse of fools wisdom for my Kaervek deck i almost took it out cause although it was a non-creature punisher effect which I'm looking for there to put in Liesa since it's loss, not damage, it literally won me a game so it's staying lol
I recently readded some of the highest costing cats in my Arahbo deck, like Dana i had the "this cost 5 so it's terrible" phase but recently i realized that a 1 mana creature may be fast but it's terrible on turn 10 a 6 mana cat is not as slow as i thought and is better on turn 10
Just this week i have been building an Orzhov deck and I decide to keep Mercilous Eviction over Winds of Abandon. After this maybe i should have a rethink.
The card I cut and keep re-adding is Night’s whisper
Manglehorn is my solo Beast creature in my Volo deck because doubling etbs and pseudo stax pieces is really nice.
So Dana make notes of all his cuts/additions? I have a notebook where I write down all my cuts/adds for all 6 of my EDH decks. I also have cut and add notes on tapped out as well. My friends think I'm weird for doing it but I like to see the progress of my decks. As for re-added I put Revel in Riches back into Shattergang brothers since academy Manufactor came out.
I “reconsider decks” every time a new set comes out. As I’m cracking packs and looking at cards I am wondering what EDH deck they would be and improvement to.
The only deck I plan to run my only copy of blade of selves is my combat mill deck when I build it (2 decks on my list to build first).
Fun tip : put rhythm of the wild in your werewolf deck so you can sing rhythm of the night 🎶 on demand!
I also have a meren deck but its a combo deck usually I combo off with protean hulk getting mikeaus and walking ballista into play I have triskelion in my deck but I dont usually use it with mikaeus I dump triskelion and phyrexian devourer in the grave and combo off with necrotic ooze after that I have witherbloom apprentice and chain of smog, I also run the combo enablers as youd expect such as necropotence, dark confidant, and survival of the fittest spore frog is hilarious as is the gravepact effects along with the fleshbag marauder cards. My deck is not quite cedh but it is pretty close I would only have to add things like mana crypt and cards like that and it would be but I cant afford those I didnt even buy my survival of the fittest it was given to me as a gift
Mostly related to the topic. I ended up cycling through all the fatties I wanted to put in my Mayael deck, back and forth. I could no longer fit all the sub-themes into the deck at any one time, that I eventually created a sideboard for it. How large? 180 cards. Before every game with this deck, I shuffle the sideboard, take 39 random creatures from this pile, face down, and shuffle them into the main deck.
This is my "variations" deck. It is always different, and it plays so differently every time. Especially since I don't know what is in it when I go digging with Mayael. All my ramp is artifact based, so I don't spoil the surprise with Cultivate/SakuraTribeElder.
This is how I solved the problem of cutting cards in this particular deck, and I am proud of it. I have played Magic for so long now, and I have so many good fatties that would never see play otherwise, because there are better choices.
I can't stand when people tutor but don't know what they are looking for. How do you avoid that while doing This?
@@bladetb3934Good question, thank you! Well, because I removed any tutor from the deck (including land tutors/ramp/fetches) to go in blind in every game about what my deck does, I don't really have anything that tutors.
With Mayael I look at the top 5 cards of my deck and put a fattie in play. Looking through 5 cards is a lot simpler than tutoring through it all. :) and I love the Christmas-like feeling about not knowing what I will open at any given time I play my deck.
blighted agent goes in other decks, I agree, that doesn't work.
the thing with aetherspouts and aetherize is that they are situationally good. if you get attacked by a huge army of elves or slivers or tokens of some kind, yes, fantastic, but if its 1 giant creature smacking you in the face it feels very bad to use.
hey, winds of Abandon is actually great, I usually have Austere Command in every deck that plays white because its flexible, but I should add this one too. but if I play white and black, I'll go with Merciless eviction instead, at least there, I have options and it gives them nothing in return, even if it hits my own things too. the thing with winds of abandon is that you do ramp them, assuming they have enough basic lands to put in.
I didn't give Winds of Abandon a proper due until earlier this year in a jeskai token deck (where I didn't want to remove my own board) and MAN that card is a blowout!
Sun Droplet in my Dina, Soul Steeper deck. Never played the card before and was about to cut it. Then last minute put it in and it did so much work when I played it early. Deck is 3-1 so far. Not taking it out anytime soon.
I want to someday have the time to log my decks into a spreadsheet.... then nap instead.
I am listening to Dana and now I’m strongly considering trying to figure out how to hook up git version control on my decks.
Mass Hysteria is cheaper than Concordant Crossroads if you are also in red!
Just starting with the episode and I'm guilty as well from choosing golgari charm as my first pick to switch out when something new comes up ): so leave Dana alone!
I really wish arkidect created a log for every change I made. With 20 decks and constant new sets, I just can't make a changelog manually.
27:36 what about Master of Eterium?
Wrenn and STUMPY not Stimpy
I know there're decks with mutate+blighted agent, that rely on changing the type of the agent to be non-human.
I can't play blade of selves because I only draw it when I get 1v1
Scute swarm also does not work because of the legendary rule
Dana was on the right replying to Joey on the left and I was very uncomfortable with change! Also, Dana's voice sounds different in my right ear
I would love to see a episode only dedicate to show younpersonal decks
I don’t think I’ve ever caught that Rhythm of the wild doesn’t work on tokens. Gonna have to be be careful about that. Also always forget that mutate doesn’t work on humans
Blade of Selves is abusive if equiped on a Hydra Omnivore.
In this episode, Dana is the hair of EDHREC
Matt always earns a like within the first minute
the rest of the episode is always awsome too
How dare you rip on deadbridge chant! I love it in my polukranos unchained deck purely for filling my yard and some rng value in the following turns
Cinderella, not Ratt.
🎉 YAY!!! Sportsball! 🎉
"Isperia, Who Draws Me A Card Whenever A Creature Attacks Me"
Should be the new legendary in Return to Return to Return to Ravnica
7:27 golgari charm old and busted new set card new hotness
My experiencd with 3 lands to destroy other lands:
1. 3 colorless lands makes mana base very clunky. I could see 1 but I prefer lands that give me my colors with an upside.
2. Everybody normally gangs up against the Coffers/Urborg player. Player removal is the best removal. If archenemy kills the whole table then you just got got. I prefer having a better mana base.
3. Generous gift, beast within, chaos warp, ass Trophy are catch-all solutions. I prefer having those than colorless lands.
4. I've been cutting colorless lands in favor of colored lands to cast my spells.
Am i the only one who noticed the dawn charm missing the space between “that” and “would”
My cuts and un-cuts depends on my group over time. I find myself re-adding shit-tons of sweepers. The power level has been creeping up over time and there's a lot of players that can shit out too many threats too early.
no shit?
@@danacoleman4007 Your contribution is noted.
This episode reminded me of my kids.
I don't miss them until they're gone.
RIP
Wait...
I never had kids
FIRES OF YAVIMAYA!!!
Poison Tip Archer is the strongest card in EDH. Never gets removed. Does 21 damage a game. Discourages attacks.
For me, it’s usually when the deck, through other changes, the card regains its place.
not a sentence
@@danacoleman4007 Without the dependent clauses, “For me, the card regains its place.” I’m a technical writer. I may have used too many commas, but it’s a sentence.
great video, guys! I still believe that banding was removed because it was too powerful not because it was too hard to understand. I really liked that mechanic.
35:15 as someone who as played Brokkos infect in the past, Blighted Agent is still immensely useful due to the density of buff spells that can easily make it swing for lethal infect damage: this is because while cheap buff spells are plentiful, small and efficient infect creatures are not! Hence why I believe Blighted Agent still has a home in that deck despite not being a valid target for the mutate ability.
This one's for Joey: cards that you wind up putting back in after taking out...how about Nightmare Unmaking in the Upping the Average on Anje Falkenrath this week? ;-)
Lands
I know I'm super late to this video here, but man that sponsor push was rough lol. The rest of the episode was great.
You might consider Sudden Disappearance in your Thalisse deck
- Hear something about "new hotness"
- Look up to see lady Lavinia
You had my curiosity, now you have my attention
Hey brokos has an infect subtheme and all 25% of those decks should be playing blighted agent. Infect creatures arent very common and having one with evasion to swing in early is important to start putting a timer on people's life totals
Whoah Whoah Whoah.... Deadbridge Chant is a bomb in my kathril aspect warper deck. Everyone knows that if I get this down and leave it there it forces my deck to just go off. I run a bunch of dredge cards and this always hits at least one which can easily see me go from this card going down on my second main phase to my upkeep with at least 25 cards or more. All the yummy keywords to make a bug that kills on sight
To Matt: All your decks are finished. Right now if you were to take a card out of one of your decks and replace it with another, it is now a new deck and it is the finished version of that deck. I know this is very semantic, but the idea I'm getting at here is that when you change your deck, it is now a different deck that has a different goal, even if ever so slightly. It's similar to why you likely don't run Craterhoof Behemoth in a lot of your decks. Because that one card changes your deck pretty drastically and you don't seem like the type of player that wants to win like that.
You know, Moxfield keeps a log of deck changes automatically.
Archidekt ain't it, gents.
I love Moxfield . . . just not enough to go through the work of moving my decks over. If it was a TappedOut to Moxfield level leap I'd make it, but since Archidekt does 98% of what I want it's not worth the time to port over. You're absolutely correct though that it's fantastic.
@@danaroach29 Totally get it. I had to migrate to Moxfield from Archidekt when PlayEDH started only taking lists from there. They've been my LGS through the pandemic, so I obviously made the switch.
First :D!
I want a recount.
winds of abandon exiles each creature you don't control. Joey shouldn't get lands off of his creatures
Joey does not ever imply that he would get lands from his creatures, and specifically praises the card for being a one-sided wipe that clears the way for his attacking army.
Joey, why did you block me on Twitter? Lol