From the phone call to the therapy session, Jackie's death affects everyone, especially Tony since he pushed Ralph to make the decision on Jackie's fate.
Buck Showalter? WTF is he doin managing the Mets?? JFC. GTFOH. I could a find a better manaja to coach these bums. Mets are the Laughing Stock of baseball right now. They need to be sold and get Beyonce and Jay Z to buy em.
As a black guy I have to apologize to all Italians for the black guys who killed Jackie Jr., the black guys who attacked little Paulie at the construction site, and the black guy who stole that truck driver's truck in Goodfellas.
You may put the blame on AJ for being a dumbass but tbh kids are always kinda terrible at informing deaths, happened to me recently with this black kid I know from the neighbourhood, being the first to inform me of my grandma's death, in such an awkward and casual way, it instantly reminded me of this scene. I don't think this occurs due to being ignorant over how death affects other people, as this kid's father died not too long ago, so really it's just the general naïveté and clumsyness of their age, not ignorance or lack of empathy.
@@gareginasatryan6761 Exactly. He's telling AJ that Jackie Jr. was killed because of the drugs and partying, not because he robbed a mafia card came , killed the dealer, and shot a made guy. Tony is full of shit, but Meadow always calls him on it.
That line Tony says to AJ "you want me to get the snip and this is my male heir" was a lot worse and I think that stayed with AJ. When fathers say things like that to their sons it cuts deep. I think that part is underated and really messed AJ up in the head.
Carmella: "Oh my god" Tony: "What is it?" Carmella: "Jackie was found dead in the projects, He was trying to argue that Space Jam was a good movie and they gunned him down" Tony: "You see"
Seriously those couple of black guys couldn’t help themselves from making trouble for everyone: they jumped Tony when he supposed to go on that high jack with his cousin; they beat up Tony B outside of a bar; they smashed lil Pauly’s face at the construction site; and they shot Jackie Jr. Unbelievable!
@@shotgundiplomat2406 He got the guys outside the Puerto Rican girlfriends apartment to turn down their music by giving them his bike. LOL Not exactly the same approach that Paulie or Christopher would've taken.
AJ was raised by the two best influences in his family (his mother and grandfather) while Meadow was raised by the two worst influences in her family (her father and grandmother). That's the difference.
@@harveywallbanger3123 She got into a good school and became a lawyer by the end of the series. She wasn't an idiot, even if she was annoying and entitled sometimes.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I'll believe "wasn't an idiot". But don't think for a second that getting into a good school and becoming a lawyer is a sign of intelligence. Why do you think so many rich people's kids go to Ivy League schools? Because they're genetically smarter?
The funny thing about AJ is that even though he wasn’t very smart or motivated, he understood a lot of what his father was about in the background. The tragedy was that he couldn’t say any of it. You can tell he knew what his father was about because he tried to kill Uncle June when he shot Tony. He understood that a lot of people were getting killed behind the scenes and that his father was probably a part of it. But because they both could never say anything about it is why AJ never took his father seriously with anything he said. The sad thing is that when he went to military school his father was all for it but AJ didn’t want it. He spent the next few years of his life depressed and suicidal and fixating on world issues which a lot of depressed people do. He didn’t know how to fix his life first. Later in the series though we actually get to see him kick his depression. He decides that he wants to join the military so that at least he can have some direction and be in a place to actually make a difference or see first hand what it is like oversees in those countries. This is really the only time in the entire series that we see him trying hard for himself. He goes jogging and is working out to get in shape. But when he tells his parents his plans they absolutely do not want him to go oversees and get killed, even though Tony loves the history channel and hates terrorists. It was like AJ wanted something for himself to be respected but also something his dad would have respected him for as well. Instead they cave once again and get him a job at a night club and buy him an expensive sports car. They essentially took the only thing that AJ had ever worked for from him by doing that. I think is the truly tragic point of what happened to AJ. It was like once he kicked the depression he was probably thinking of what could have been different if he had gone to military school. And, right when he was about to follow through, his parents just gave him anything he wanted. The result was that AJ didn’t care about motivating himself anymore, he didn’t care about the environment or anything oversees or the high oil prices or that America went to war for oil. He only cared how fast his car accelerated.
I'd be curious what happened to AJ after Tony got whacked at the table with him. Perhaps that would set him back on a better course as that would in a sense be a transforming event that he has to do what is right for him, because his parents are a mess. His father is a dead mobster and his mom is mostly just a gold-digging enabler of her husband mostly concerned about appearances. It's too bad his other aunt lived so far away as maybe she might have been able to help counsel him some on getting away from that life, but at the same time, like many teens, AJ kind of had to figure things out for himself. Even with good parents, making good decisions, kids sometimes go wrong, but when you have bad parents, making bad decisions, it is hard for a kid to escape that without some luck or incredible willpower of their own.
AJ was a simple kid who was spoiled rotten materially but deprived of any real upbringing. His father was a murderer, a sociopathic criminal. And his mother enabled evil, an accessory to all those crimes. In a lot of ways he was maybe the only main character who was truly innocent. Contrast that with Meadow, who had the smarts to recognize what was going on on a higher moral level and who still made the choice to be a part of that world and enjoy the material benefits it provided (I.e., her turn from medicine to criminal defense and pathetic conflation of immigrants being deprived of their constitutional rights and mafia getting RICO charges, and her relationship with Patrick Parisi). AJ was actually a good kid.
He's really NOT the reason is happened. Jackie Jr is. Tony did everything he could to steer Jackie in the right direction, and what does Jackie do? Decides to rob a poker game and shoot at MADE MEN. He may be Jackie's son but he's not made. He's not even really in the crew. If ANY of them tried to do something like that they'd be killed too. And since it was Ralphie's poker game, and Ralphie is a Captain, Tony gave him the call. Tony didn't even know if he was going to kill Jackie Jr or not.
Tony deep down is relieved. Jackie jr. Was an idiot. Bucking up to made ppl and a mob boss with street credit he didnt have riding the coat tails of his father and his idiot uncle. Im surprised he lasted this long. O and Ritchie Aprile. He and Janice were made for each other
@@shotgundiplomat2406 Jackie Jr. murdered a senior associate and wounded a made man, while leading a crew consisting of two junior associates and one civilian on a robbery of a boss-sanctioned poker game. Yeah, no, there was no way they weren't all going to end up worm food. I'm amazed they weren't all killed in the attempt. Stupid little shit didn't realize that CONTEXT matters, and this wasn't the free-wheeling 70s and his fadda wasn't around to cover his ass.
stop crying gandolfini, like everyone in hollyweird, sold his soul to be on tv. he got merked because of it. why do you feel sympathy for sellouts? i ll never get this. you worship sellouts like they're god. fuckin dumb kid
Meadow's reaction was splendid acting. So sad and genuine in the way your breath leaves you and instantaneous crying upon learning of the unexpected death of someone close. A powerful scene.
I don't know ... I never seen anyone breaking down so instantly upon hearing about someone dying, except in movies. IRL it's more like when Livia died, and Tony's first reaction was "Are you kidding?" - especially when it is like something unexpected like Jackie's passing was.
something I never picked up in this scene until now: when Tony looks at AJ and says "you see?" its like he squashes literally ANY ideas AJ had of trying to get in to the family business.
I never saw it that way. Think he says that just to show what a fuck up Jackie was and if AJ doesn't straighten out his life, he'll wind up like Jackie.
@The Esquire of Sports ® sigh... and some people just want to ruin it for others. bro its a well written show, maybe there IS psychological depth, that ever occur to you?
tf, how else are you supposed to react to something that inevitable? When my dumbass cousin (same on who molested me) got arrested, I laughed. Wait Why am I equating the two?
I like how Tony's head springs up when he hears who's calling, how his head drops (as if to imply he feels guilt), and then how his head re-springs up to play anything off when Carmela turns around. This show is really different than any other show. Delivering on the lines is maybe 50% of acting talent or less because their body language is exquisitely acted and says everything.
Lines are even less important than that in visual media like movies. Honestly with good actors, you could make a film about late nights at taco bell and it could be a masterpiece.
+Kermit F Probably *two* black guys, who ate grilled cheese off radiators in jail while Phil was telling them to go home and get their fucking shinebox.
+vodka martini nah it shows that the mafia has no regard for them as human beings, and that not all of them are perfect. Like all ethnicities, except a lot more of them are in bad places in America cause of slavery and racism.
Anna Frieze If she truly loved her son and wanted the best for him she wouldn’t have let him hang out with Ralphie and Richie. What she think they’d show him how to study for the SAT’s?
@@deltahomicide9300 nah,u know some kids will do whatever the heck they choose,its their choice,my 18 year old stepdaughter moved away cause she wanted to,even though we wanted her home still.
I like the subtle acting from James when Carmella picks up the phone. You can tell in his eyes that he knows the exact reason why she sounds so alarmed
What a messed up culture. Jackie Aprile was Tony's best friend. By the end of the show Tony was either directly or indirectly involved with taking out almost his entire best friends family one by one.
Yes, the recurring theme throughout the show was how Jackie's crew was always a stone in Tony's shoe, most likely because he became the boss at the expense of Jackie.
I love the look on Tony's face and how he said, "AJ ? In my business? Forget it. He'd never make it". A man speaking with certitude and wisdom that comes from experience. Great acting.
This a good example of what made the sopranos such a great show. There is a larger narrative here that I think a lot of people miss. Jackie wasn't killed because of the poker game robbery (although that obviously lead up to it) he was killed because Tony and Ralph each wanted the other to "Give Jackie a Pass". Neither wanted him to die but neither where willing to intervene themselves because they each didn't want to appear weak. End result is Jackie's death. They valued their reputation and pride above the kids life. Its just another ring in their own downward spiral of depravity. This sort of narrative device occurs several times during the series. An other notable example is when Tony kills Ralph (Hint: It has nothing to do with the horse).
i reed that meeting as neither wanted to , do the killing of jackie, and were trying to pass off the responsibility to the other guy. He still had to go as he shot Furio (a made guy), killed sunshine, and robbed the game
Tony wanted him dead. The purpose of his conversations with Ralph was not to spare Jackie, Jr., but to place the entire burden of the decision on Ralph.
It would in fact make them look weak though, giving some snot nose a pass for shooting at made men is understandable whether you’re in that life or not.
"You see?" This was one of the most callous things Tony ever did, completely abnegated responsibility for a hit he all but sanctioned (whilst passing the completely passing the buck to Ralph to avoid his own feelings of responsibility) then hypocritically occupying the moral high ground with his son.
On the other hand, he's making a good point. Even if he had owned up to essentially telling Ralphie to kill Jackie, it still counts as a warning: keep on the straight and narrow or some fat fuck might put a bullet in your brain someday. That's how I see it, anyway.
Jackie Jr. got himself killed doing the same stupid shit I could have easily envisioned AJ doing so I don't think he was in the wrong for saying that to him.
Well, when you grow up having everything handed to you, you tend to continue wanting that. He's no different than the rest of the characters on the show. AJ wants everything handed to him through threat of whining. Everyone else wants it handed to them through threat of violence.
"You see?" Not so subtle threat. "you see what happens when you piss me off? Your going to that bootcamp unless you want to be slain by two black guys"
Tony was civilized enough to want to keep his own children out of the family "business". Maybe the only true humans he cared about were his kids. The other people, even his wife were just "objects". I used to think he felt real "love" for Christopher but in the end even he was just a loose end that needed to be clipped...
Christopher should have gotten clipped multiple times. He was an erratic and unreliable drug addict near the end. If anyone was a liability and needed to go, it was Christopher. I don't fault Tony that at all. Tony showed great restraint with Christopher and it was only because he truly did care for him and that he was family that he even got a pass half the time.
randy109 It's pretty much impossible for women to get directly involved into the family business (unless they're a hooker), and AJ was simply too much of an incompetent, whiny bitch to ever make it - as Tony tells Melfi in this scene.
randy109 Christopher signalled he was willing to come to terms with the new York families in the final conversation. As Tony's logical successor, Tony took this as a threat against him.
I’m a huge fan of the show and seen every single season, every single episode. The one that haunts me the most is the episode where AJ attempts suicide in the pool. His pain and loss of will to live was palpable! It broke my heart! Great acting…..
0:13 I always laugh at how campy Tony gets about stuff like that. It's always about the optics and the theatrics with him both in his business and his private life!
jackie jr had no chance - mob boss father, mobster relatives, his only friends were sons of mobsters - his dad may have wanted to keep him out of the life but there was no way he'd be able to pull himself away - the allure was too strong
Tony Soprano may have been a ruthless mob boss at times but he was smart enough to see weakness. He was VERY wise to do everything he could to keep his kids away from the 'life'.
"He's like, dead....."- little lines like these are what made AJ one of the most subtly, great characters in the show. my other fav is when Janice came in the house hysterical after her mom's wake and AJ is trailing behind her loafing, looking at the ground and extremely bored. also the no fucking ziti
Tony leveraging Jackie's death as some type of perverted warning sign to A.J. is some of the darkest TV writing in American history. ~~~ "Whoever did this...."
It wasn't about Ralph and Rosalie. It was about both of them and Jackie Sr. whom they both grew up with. Jackie was their best friend. Ralph was even supposed to go on the big Feech card game robbery with them. Ralph and Tony didn't want the guilt of ordering the hit on Jackie Jr. who was basically their nephew. They got the kid presents every year, went to his confirmation, had his father tell them to watch out for Jackie Jr. and so on. Imagine living with that guilt. It's the real reason Ralph breaks up with Rosalie. Every time she mentions Jackie Jr. it gives Ralph a feeling of extreme guilt knowing that he made the final decision on Jackie's life. But Tony can rationalize his lack of guilt and invite Rosalie over the house because he's exonerated himself.
"He was doing a drug deal with some black guys and they shot him. He's like..........dead"
- William Shakespeare, 1615
(Varsity Athlete)
LMFAO
Yeah the mythical "2 black guys" was a running meme in the show.
Good one Met.
LMAO!!!
Buck Showalter? WTF is he doin managing the Mets?? JFC. GTFOH. I could a find a better manaja to coach these bums. Mets are the Laughing Stock of baseball right now. They need to be sold and get Beyonce and Jay Z to buy em.
As a black guy I have to apologize to all Italians for the black guys who killed Jackie Jr., the black guys who attacked little Paulie at the construction site, and the black guy who stole that truck driver's truck in Goodfellas.
Don't let it happen again. You saw what we did to Stixs.
apology accepted
As an Italian, I accept your apology..... We were wondering how long it would it take to hear it....
@@mikerotonda6264oh! What u doing talking to a mulignan?
when are you going to apologize for all the things black people did in Sons of Anarchy? 🤣🤣
“He’s like... dead”.
AJ “Wordsworth” Soprano
AJ never had making of varsity anything
On his way to East Stroudsburg U.
"Your kid Jackie, whatever happened there. God rest his soul" - Carmine Jr.
Whatever happened there? Whatever happened there??
the golfer?
@@tjl911 Y'know, with the shooting
His fawtha never would've let it happen.
It was a real allegorical situation.
AJ is the best death informer: "Some black dudes shot him and he's like... dead"
Lolz
There is no good way to tell someone their friend died sudden
"Oh yeah those two guys"
Thats how beavis and butthead would say Lol
You may put the blame on AJ for being a dumbass but tbh kids are always kinda terrible at informing deaths, happened to me recently with this black kid I know from the neighbourhood, being the first to inform me of my grandma's death, in such an awkward and casual way, it instantly reminded me of this scene. I don't think this occurs due to being ignorant over how death affects other people, as this kid's father died not too long ago, so really it's just the general naïveté and clumsyness of their age, not ignorance or lack of empathy.
"You see?" Tony Soprano, Father of the Year.
😂😂😂
Raised by Livia Soprano, Mother of the Year...
TheGooners11 jjr would have gottwn clipped his first year.
You see what. Tony practically ordered the hit, even thought it was ralph who told vito to carry out
@@gareginasatryan6761 Exactly. He's telling AJ that Jackie Jr. was killed because of the drugs and partying, not because he robbed a mafia card came , killed the dealer, and shot a made guy. Tony is full of shit, but Meadow always calls him on it.
That “You see?” Tony said to his son was cold blooded.
Worlds best father.
ɳıǥǥers would still shoot you
That line Tony says to AJ "you want me to get the snip and this is my male heir" was a lot worse and I think that stayed with AJ. When fathers say things like that to their sons it cuts deep.
I think that part is underated and really messed AJ up in the head.
My fav part. My dad said same thing.
The best part was him raising his head like a dog when he wore the word “Marie” he knew what the news was.
Carmella: "Oh my god"
Tony: "What is it?"
Carmella: "Jackie was found dead in the projects, He was trying to argue that Space Jam was a good movie and they gunned him down"
Tony: "You see"
This will soon get evolved in a meme
"Space Jam is like,,, dead. A couple of black guys killed it doing a movie deal."
Lost it at "you see" lol
Lmao
@@blondegirlsezthis8798 FUCK
Some black dudes - they were the best characters on the show
Oh yeah, those two guys.
Devils Double if only someone had caught those black dudes half the crimes in the show never would have happened lol
They were serial killers according to the show
Devils Double some black dudes always had the makings of varsity athletes.
Seriously those couple of black guys couldn’t help themselves from making trouble for everyone: they jumped Tony when he supposed to go on that high jack with his cousin; they beat up Tony B outside of a bar; they smashed lil Pauly’s face at the construction site; and they shot Jackie Jr. Unbelievable!
imagine AJ making collections for his dad “can I like have the money please??”
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"But yur the manayer!" 😂
Of course, that's why Tony never brought him into the life. He even said one time "He's not made for it"
@@shotgundiplomat2406 He got the guys outside the Puerto Rican girlfriends apartment to turn down their music by giving them his bike. LOL Not exactly the same approach that Paulie or Christopher would've taken.
@@joemckim1183 I just started laughing imagining what Paulie's approach would be. Just imagining his facial expression
Tony's personality is so completely split between his two children. Meadow has his intelligence, and AJ has his coldness in emotional situations.
AJ was raised by the two best influences in his family (his mother and grandfather) while Meadow was raised by the two worst influences in her family (her father and grandmother). That's the difference.
Blastbeat Industries so Meadow was forced to smarten up while AJ was babied into being an idiot?
"Meadow has his intelligence" ouch.
@@harveywallbanger3123 She got into a good school and became a lawyer by the end of the series. She wasn't an idiot, even if she was annoying and entitled sometimes.
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 I'll believe "wasn't an idiot". But don't think for a second that getting into a good school and becoming a lawyer is a sign of intelligence. Why do you think so many rich people's kids go to Ivy League schools? Because they're genetically smarter?
“AJ? In my business? Forget it, he’d never make it.” Yeah AJ would’ve made Jackie Jr. look like Michael Corleone.
Oh god imagine AJ trying to go that way?
AJ was definitely at least 30 points more intelligent than Jackie Jr.
@@histguy101 so, an IQ of, what, 31? 32?
AJ would have been the 2nd coming of Bobby.
"AJ? In my business? Forget it. He'd never make it." 100% true. Great line, and the delivery by Gandolfini was great, as always.
That wasnt true though as in the last season AJ showed he could do it if he wasnt in charge.
Well if the writers wanted they could have wrote a new script for AJ to be bad or have Tony teach him how everything goes.
Adam Samuel nah AJ was being mentored by carmine jr and Tony in the end.
The crazy thing is the ever-present tacit implication that Tony is in the mob and dr. Melfi knows it all to well.
Jacob IAm and she secretly wants Tony
Vito always was accustomed to doing the most devious, heinous shit from behind. This was no exception.
He liked it from behind.
***** yea like when he killed that innocent guy when he got in that car wreck
***** He was a come from behind kind of guy.
***** "Vito was always accustomed to doing the most devious, heinous shit from behind"
I see what you did there! :D
Also Vito was Jackie's cousin
The funny thing about AJ is that even though he wasn’t very smart or motivated, he understood a lot of what his father was about in the background. The tragedy was that he couldn’t say any of it. You can tell he knew what his father was about because he tried to kill Uncle June when he shot Tony. He understood that a lot of people were getting killed behind the scenes and that his father was probably a part of it. But because they both could never say anything about it is why AJ never took his father seriously with anything he said.
The sad thing is that when he went to military school his father was all for it but AJ didn’t want it. He spent the next few years of his life depressed and suicidal and fixating on world issues which a lot of depressed people do. He didn’t know how to fix his life first.
Later in the series though we actually get to see him kick his depression. He decides that he wants to join the military so that at least he can have some direction and be in a place to actually make a difference or see first hand what it is like oversees in those countries.
This is really the only time in the entire series that we see him trying hard for himself. He goes jogging and is working out to get in shape. But when he tells his parents his plans they absolutely do not want him to go oversees and get killed, even though Tony loves the history channel and hates terrorists. It was like AJ wanted something for himself to be respected but also something his dad would have respected him for as well.
Instead they cave once again and get him a job at a night club and buy him an expensive sports car. They essentially took the only thing that AJ had ever worked for from him by doing that. I think is the truly tragic point of what happened to AJ. It was like once he kicked the depression he was probably thinking of what could have been different if he had gone to military school. And, right when he was about to follow through, his parents just gave him anything he wanted. The result was that AJ didn’t care about motivating himself anymore, he didn’t care about the environment or anything oversees or the high oil prices or that America went to war for oil. He only cared how fast his car accelerated.
Excellent point!
I'd be curious what happened to AJ after Tony got whacked at the table with him. Perhaps that would set him back on a better course as that would in a sense be a transforming event that he has to do what is right for him, because his parents are a mess. His father is a dead mobster and his mom is mostly just a gold-digging enabler of her husband mostly concerned about appearances. It's too bad his other aunt lived so far away as maybe she might have been able to help counsel him some on getting away from that life, but at the same time, like many teens, AJ kind of had to figure things out for himself. Even with good parents, making good decisions, kids sometimes go wrong, but when you have bad parents, making bad decisions, it is hard for a kid to escape that without some luck or incredible willpower of their own.
Yes. There were some good qualities AJ had, even though he infuriated me. He's really tragic.
Very allegorical
AJ was a simple kid who was spoiled rotten materially but deprived of any real upbringing. His father was a murderer, a sociopathic criminal. And his mother enabled evil, an accessory to all those crimes. In a lot of ways he was maybe the only main character who was truly innocent. Contrast that with Meadow, who had the smarts to recognize what was going on on a higher moral level and who still made the choice to be a part of that world and enjoy the material benefits it provided (I.e., her turn from medicine to criminal defense and pathetic conflation of immigrants being deprived of their constitutional rights and mafia getting RICO charges, and her relationship with Patrick Parisi). AJ was actually a good kid.
Tony to AJ at the dinner table: "You see?"
AJ: "Yeah, well, whatever happened there."
Funny of Tony to use Jackie's death to impart a life lesson on AJ, knowing full well he's the reason why it happened haha
He's really NOT the reason is happened. Jackie Jr is. Tony did everything he could to steer Jackie in the right direction, and what does Jackie do? Decides to rob a poker game and shoot at MADE MEN. He may be Jackie's son but he's not made. He's not even really in the crew. If ANY of them tried to do something like that they'd be killed too. And since it was Ralphie's poker game, and Ralphie is a Captain, Tony gave him the call. Tony didn't even know if he was going to kill Jackie Jr or not.
@@shotgundiplomat2406 He was also unloading all the responsibility/guilt for the hit onto Ralph. Jackie JR was a dead man either way.
Siegmeyer Tony is smart.
Tony deep down is relieved. Jackie jr. Was an idiot. Bucking up to made ppl and a mob boss with street credit he didnt have riding the coat tails of his father and his idiot uncle. Im surprised he lasted this long. O and Ritchie Aprile. He and Janice were made for each other
@@shotgundiplomat2406 Jackie Jr. murdered a senior associate and wounded a made man, while leading a crew consisting of two junior associates and one civilian on a robbery of a boss-sanctioned poker game. Yeah, no, there was no way they weren't all going to end up worm food. I'm amazed they weren't all killed in the attempt. Stupid little shit didn't realize that CONTEXT matters, and this wasn't the free-wheeling 70s and his fadda wasn't around to cover his ass.
James Gandolfini was one hell of an actor. Right up there with all of the big one's. I sure do miss him.
We all do.
Yep he sure was one of the best. Thank God he left us with this great show and character to remember him by.
stop crying gandolfini, like everyone in hollyweird, sold his soul to be on tv. he got merked because of it. why do you feel sympathy for sellouts? i ll never get this. you worship sellouts like they're god. fuckin dumb kid
Death Rager Yes I love and missed his acting great guy! Miss the Sopranos. Great show
Death Rager fuck you fuck off mate
Meadow's reaction was splendid acting. So sad and genuine in the way your breath leaves you and instantaneous crying upon learning of the unexpected death of someone close. A powerful scene.
She was brilliant
I don't know ... I never seen anyone breaking down so instantly upon hearing about someone dying, except in movies.
IRL it's more like when Livia died, and Tony's first reaction was "Are you kidding?" - especially when it is like something unexpected like Jackie's passing was.
I laughed cant lie
@@user-cr3ti1vj6f men and women don’t react the same brutha
@@mynamejef7963 what is a woman?
something I never picked up in this scene until now: when Tony looks at AJ and says "you see?" its like he squashes literally ANY ideas AJ had of trying to get in to the family business.
Because look what it got Jackie Junior
I never saw it that way. Think he says that just to show what a fuck up Jackie was and if AJ doesn't straighten out his life, he'll wind up like Jackie.
Right, but the “You see?” is a continuation of a conversation from earlier in the episode.
@The Esquire of Sports ® sigh... and some people just want to ruin it for others. bro its a well written show, maybe there IS psychological depth, that ever occur to you?
AJ is the most social awkward kid in the history of TV
John P Autistic like
Idiot like.
As are most kids going through puberty.
He has Assburgers.
I’m pretty sure any kid would be like that if their dad was a psychotic mob boss.
AJ never had the makings of a bad news deliverer
Small mouth that was his problem
@@faisalkamal4319*small brain
AJ had literally no reaction whatsoever to hearing About Jackie’s death 😂
i guess thats one thing he got from his dad
No at 0:56 and right after he looks surprised.
@@deezyfbabay6107 Yes, as a child I’ve received shocking news and barely acted outwardly, though the shock & adrenaline was pulsing on the inside.
tf, how else are you supposed to react to something that inevitable? When my dumbass cousin (same on who molested me) got arrested, I laughed.
Wait
Why am I equating the two?
@@cpi3267 Ah. Wow. Ok then.
Did they get the death penalty? Bc if they were a rapist, they should have.
"You see."
How powerful was that.
I like how Tony's head springs up when he hears who's calling, how his head drops (as if to imply he feels guilt), and then how his head re-springs up to play anything off when Carmela turns around. This show is really different than any other show. Delivering on the lines is maybe 50% of acting talent or less because their body language is exquisitely acted and says everything.
Lines are even less important than that in visual media like movies. Honestly with good actors, you could make a film about late nights at taco bell and it could be a masterpiece.
Very true, this is the only show that I enjoy just by listening, the acting here...fucking perfect!
Yes, and the show it's very good written, anyway.
Yes, the subtle nuances by these talented actors was amazing to see!
I didn't see any of what u just described? But it maybe it was all in my head too.
I like how AJ says it was black dudes who shot Jackie lol
+Kermit F Probably *two* black guys, who ate grilled cheese off radiators in jail while Phil was telling them to go home and get their fucking shinebox.
+Kermit F and he's dead
+Kermit F This show treats blacks horribly lol so stereotypically.
That's the cover up they were going for cause he was hiding out in the projects.
+vodka martini nah it shows that the mafia has no regard for them as human beings, and that not all of them are perfect. Like all ethnicities, except a lot more of them are in bad places in America cause of slavery and racism.
“Some Black Guys” - Greatest character on the show along with Tony Soprano.
“A black guy... imagine that.... I mean, I just can’t believe it!”
Probably the same guys who bottled Little Paulie at the construction yard.
I think I seen a couple of them running that way!
Well Vito gets pretty tan
@@storminnorman7563 oh yeah, those guys.
@@redcomic619Sicilians are considered the blacks of Europe.
I feel so bad for Rosalie, doesn't matter who your kids are, mobsters,chiefs,it's still your kids, u love them no matter what.
Anna Frieze If she truly loved her son and wanted the best for him she wouldn’t have let him hang out with Ralphie and Richie. What she think they’d show him how to study for the SAT’s?
@@deltahomicide9300 nah,u know some kids will do whatever the heck they choose,its their choice,my 18 year old stepdaughter moved away cause she wanted to,even though we wanted her home still.
@@deltahomicide9300 Jackie's an adult. What was she gonna do?
@@aysaqchaudhry6054 Just because an 18 year old can legally vote, own property and marry doesn't mean they don't need parental guidance
Fucking chiefs, scum of society.
This show depicted what Mobsters kids are like in real life, mostly fuck ups, drug addicts, low level petty criminals.
Alot of them are also law abiding and college graduates.
and some of them get regular jobs in the trades or retail.
its just like gta v
+Cliff Reeser.
Not at all. You can't compare a video game to reality.
no i mean michaels family from GTA V is just like the sopranos
i love how Tony literally had to stop himself from immediately going back to eating lmao
Rosalie crying at the beginning gets me every time.
That’s the same kind of crying her husband caused towards civilians and I bet she didn’t give a shit.
Me too, she's a wonderful actress.
To clarify my initial comment -- I'm laughing really hard at the hysterics of this goombah broad; not empathizing with her. LOL.
Gets you what
@@PRubin-rh4srwet
"He's like, dead". It's like reading a Samuel Beckett novel.
Shane Brennan 😂😂😂😂😂
@Johnny Sack he invented, then discarded, u.
Lol
@Johnny Sack You a dumb nigga
tony resented his son because he had the makings of a varsity athlete but never applied himself
lol
and he needs a slap
+MrSpazz08
AJ has ADD, so technically he is mentally challenged.
Would of? What does that mean?
He doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete as well as his father.
AJ is like 5' 6'' in the last season. Small guy.
"You certainly saw it coming with this boy, didn't you?"
She knew, on some level.
From her expression I think she knew Tony was behind it.
The way he was fidgeting and bouncing his leg, the phony concern and denials...no competent psychiatrist would've been fooled.
@Auxiliary Stream Services Tony strongly implicated to Ralph that this was the way to go, and Ralph heard it loud and clear.
He's certainly seen to it that the boy gets what was coming to him, if that's what you mean. 😏
@@doorswhofan Melfi wasn't competent. She was into the thrill ride of dancing close to the flame. Like a firebug who chases firetrucks.
I like the subtle acting from James when Carmella picks up the phone. You can tell in his eyes that he knows the exact reason why she sounds so alarmed
What a messed up culture. Jackie Aprile was Tony's best friend. By the end of the show Tony was either directly or indirectly involved with taking out almost his entire best friends family one by one.
That's greaseball stuff.
brothertee1017 Among the italians
Yes, the recurring theme throughout the show was how Jackie's crew was always a stone in Tony's shoe, most likely because he became the boss at the expense of Jackie.
Ya - no doubt everyone on Jackie's side believed they should have a bigger piece of the action just because Jackie used to be the boss.
Jason Brooklyn It was revenge for Billy Batts.
He's like dead?
Windy Johnson and glad he's like dead
Windy Johnson A.J. was misguided. He thought he was on the West Coast.
Windy Johnson like what the fuck that means 😂😂😂😂🤣
Means he's gonna wake up dead the next morning
Like dead dead? Or just dead
That look on Tony's face when he hears Carmela's side of the conversation... he knows exactly what she's hearing.
Exactly right
I love the look on Tony's face and how he said, "AJ ? In my business? Forget it. He'd never make it".
A man speaking with certitude and wisdom that comes from experience. Great acting.
"We're lookin'...and then YOU'RE goin'...."
WomackPhotoKCMO such a dad thing to say
Women set the boundaries and men enforce them.
Ryan Simp
no more " my father my father"
😂
Outta respect for my fawthu
Good riddance.
It's on his tombstone lol
Fuckin aye, man!
This a good example of what made the sopranos such a great show. There is a larger narrative here that I think a lot of people miss. Jackie wasn't killed because of the poker game robbery (although that obviously lead up to it) he was killed because Tony and Ralph each wanted the other to "Give Jackie a Pass". Neither wanted him to die but neither where willing to intervene themselves because they each didn't want to appear weak. End result is Jackie's death. They valued their reputation and pride above the kids life. Its just another ring in their own downward spiral of depravity.
This sort of narrative device occurs several times during the series. An other notable example is when Tony kills Ralph (Hint: It has nothing to do with the horse).
That and the fact that Jackie was a fuck up and would continue to fuck up, his execution was a matter of when not if
i reed that meeting as neither wanted to , do the killing of jackie, and were trying to pass off the responsibility to the other guy. He still had to go as he shot Furio (a made guy), killed sunshine, and robbed the game
Tony wanted him dead. The purpose of his conversations with Ralph was not to spare Jackie, Jr., but to place the entire burden of the decision on Ralph.
It would in fact make them look weak though, giving some snot nose a pass for shooting at made men is understandable whether you’re in that life or not.
Jackie was a bad dude.
"You see?"
This was one of the most callous things Tony ever did, completely abnegated responsibility for a hit he all but sanctioned (whilst passing the completely passing the buck to Ralph to avoid his own feelings of responsibility) then hypocritically occupying the moral high ground with his son.
On the other hand, he's making a good point. Even if he had owned up to essentially telling Ralphie to kill Jackie, it still counts as a warning: keep on the straight and narrow or some fat fuck might put a bullet in your brain someday. That's how I see it, anyway.
He didn't kill him, moron. It was all on Ralphie.
Jackie Jr. got himself killed doing the same stupid shit I could have easily envisioned AJ doing so I don't think he was in the wrong for saying that to him.
Mr Sarajevo Simmer down you. You've clearly not understood what you were watching.
*****
If you say so, dingleberry
"He's like dead." LOL AJ.....
Johnny Canuck glad he is
I don't think it's possible to deliver that news worse than how AJ did
Hey I didn’t tell you yet
Some black guys
He’s like dead 💀
"Where's Rosalie?"
Rosalie: *AhHHHHhhHHHHhhhHhHhHh!!!!*
Compassion from a father is never easy but he squeezes his love out. Great actor Great dude RIP JAMES
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion
Twenty tee years old..
"I'm not going to make the same mistake with AJ. Him we're sendin' to MIWITAWWY SKOOW."
KiloByte Yea...that too.
@@waylandjennings4073 😂😂😂
@@waylandjennings4073 Hey! Talk right, or we'll send you to slip and fall school.
twenty tree
Jackie "My Father" Aprile
1978-2001
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father
He's like, dead. Lol. No AJ, he is very dead. He had 2 assholes when they buried him heh heh!
Love the way Tony asks, “What is it?” right after Carmela gets off the phone - as if he didn’t know exactly what it was about.
He was just playing the part
Killed in the projects by Vito, with a gun made from Lego’s lol
I think they made the gun look cheap on purpose to emphasize that it was disposable n easy to take apart and/or throw away.
Dr Melfi to Tony: “you saw that one coming...”. Tony thinking to himself “you can say that again!”
I don't think so, he was saying he could have done more for him.
ThankQ for having good audio on this clip. Many other's can't hardly hear.
"...he'd never make it."
Love how that line is delivered.
‘Cause he never had the makings of a varsity mobster!
Jackie Jr. was shot to death on the day A.J. got expelled from school.
I love how Tony is all into the brochures!
“The important thing is she get far away from me.”
Astonishingly self aware comment from Tony.
On my gravestone it should read "He's like dead"
OMG, I busted out laughing!
😂😂
So much empathy AJ lmao
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy
I love how Tony just knew there was no way AJ could ever possibly make it in the business
"You see..." Tony takes advantage of the situation and teaches AJ a good lesson for life with only two words
AJ was a typical rich mans son, he wanted everything handed to him. AJ couldn’t even correctly commit suicide.
Very true
AJ was just a product of his upbringing in a dysfunctional home of a mob boss, its actually quite on point for him to have been a fuck up.
Steve Turowski That's Tony's fault for not properly parenting him.
Well, when you grow up having everything handed to you, you tend to continue wanting that. He's no different than the rest of the characters on the show. AJ wants everything handed to him through threat of whining. Everyone else wants it handed to them through threat of violence.
There no such thing as a bad child. Only bad parenting.
We're looking....then you're going. Tony always knows how to drive the point home.
AJ and janice were so annoying.
CommissarKane Exactly.
They were actually amazing in the show
Dont forget Meadow
All of the show's most annoying characters were related to Tony. No wonder the guy was so stressed all the time...
You dumbass haters are the only annoying ones here.
Tony: calmly goes back to eating “you see?” Why he’s the greatest character of tv history
It's sad when they go young like that.
WHEN THEY GO?!
*we're looking and then you're goin'*....LOL i love that line.
Jackie Jr woulda been alive still if he told em who his father was.
"You see?"
Not so subtle threat. "you see what happens when you piss me off? Your going to that bootcamp unless you want to be slain by two black guys"
nah i think it was just to make sure his kid doesn't start feeling like he wants to be a mobster.
That's not what he meant...
0:40 Tony had that look like “oh, it happened already”
Tony was civilized enough to want to keep his own children out of the family "business". Maybe the only true humans he cared about were his kids. The other people, even his wife were just "objects". I used to think he felt real "love" for Christopher but in the end even he was just a loose end that needed to be clipped...
Jackie, Sr. He was Tony's best friend and his death is the catalyst to the rest of the show.
Christopher should have gotten clipped multiple times. He was an erratic and unreliable drug addict near the end. If anyone was a liability and needed to go, it was Christopher. I don't fault Tony that at all. Tony showed great restraint with Christopher and it was only because he truly did care for him and that he was family that he even got a pass half the time.
I recall someone saying how David Chase even said someone like Christopher wouldn't have made it past the first season in real life.
randy109 It's pretty much impossible for women to get directly involved into the family business (unless they're a hooker), and AJ was simply too much of an incompetent, whiny bitch to ever make it - as Tony tells Melfi in this scene.
randy109
Christopher signalled he was willing to come to terms with the new York families in the final conversation. As Tony's logical successor, Tony took this as a threat against him.
'you see'...what great father-son advice
U dont do what we say & u die (*its that simple)...
Tony was such a psychopath...he knew exactly what that call was about.
sociopath
I love you
I love you 2
“He’s like dead.” AJ was so damn funny sometimes 😂
I’m a huge fan of the show and seen every single season, every single episode. The one that haunts me the most is the episode where AJ attempts suicide in the pool. His pain and loss of will to live was palpable! It broke my heart! Great acting…..
A.J Soprano: "I never said I was going"
Carmela: "We are just looking honey"
Tony Soprano: "We're looking, and then you're going..."
Tony says “you see” but a season earlier he was insinuating to AJ that he was better than him and to take a “few lessons” from him.
“He’s like, dead.” Classic AJ
0:13 I always laugh at how campy Tony gets about stuff like that. It's always about the optics and the theatrics with him both in his business and his private life!
jackie jr had no chance - mob boss father, mobster relatives, his only friends were sons of mobsters - his dad may have wanted to keep him out of the life but there was no way he'd be able to pull himself away - the allure was too strong
TheDucciano where is he wrong? He sold dope and was with his uncle richie all the time afterwards with ralphie
"you see?" one of the hardest lines ever spoken
“You see.” This scene’s irony and hypocrisy is deep as hell.
Jackie, the kid that almost drown in two inches of water lol. The penguin exhibit 😂
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water
"Jackie Jr. was shot to death, in the projects, by a parade float."
You can't talk to me like that. I'm a captain nowwww!
Good one.
😂😂😂
“Jackie, he was doing a drug deal with some black dudes who were wearing a fat white guy costume….they shot him.”
AJ should consider a career as a news reporter. "Deadly car accident this afternoon.. they're like dead"
Tony Soprano may have been a ruthless mob boss at times but he was smart enough to see weakness. He was VERY wise to do everything he could to keep his kids away from the 'life'.
Well there’s no choice really there’s no women in our thing so meadow it’s not an option and for aj he would’ve been dead by lunchtime
These type of dudes pray on your weakness and vulnerability
"He's like, dead....."- little lines like these are what made AJ one of the most subtly, great characters in the show. my other fav is when Janice came in the house hysterical after her mom's wake and AJ is trailing behind her loafing, looking at the ground and extremely bored. also the no fucking ziti
AJ had the smoothest delivery when it came to bad news.
Its like Dr Melfi always knows whats actually happened
Tony leveraging Jackie's death as some type of perverted warning sign to A.J. is some of the darkest TV writing in American history. ~~~ "Whoever did this...."
Nah, that's just being catholic....
I love how Tony says "You see."
1:11 I always loved this little scene. It's a real heart-to-heart between him and AJ
Doctor: I regret to inform you but your son is like... dead.
If AJ had went to military school, he would have been a full bird colonel by now in charge of shine boxes, tissues, and grilled cheese.
0:32 He knew Ralphie had done it
Yep and then he twists it to use against AJ, Tony was a piece of shit.
It wasn't about Ralph and Rosalie. It was about both of them and Jackie Sr. whom they both grew up with. Jackie was their best friend. Ralph was even supposed to go on the big Feech card game robbery with them. Ralph and Tony didn't want the guilt of ordering the hit on Jackie Jr. who was basically their nephew. They got the kid presents every year, went to his confirmation, had his father tell them to watch out for Jackie Jr. and so on.
Imagine living with that guilt. It's the real reason Ralph breaks up with Rosalie. Every time she mentions Jackie Jr. it gives Ralph a feeling of extreme guilt knowing that he made the final decision on Jackie's life. But Tony can rationalize his lack of guilt and invite Rosalie over the house because he's exonerated himself.
Tony asking "what is it?" while expecting the call is fucking hilarious
one of my fav phonecalls in the entire show
"You see"
What I'm capable of.....