Difference between Carnatic and Hindustani | VoxGuru ft. Pratibha Sarathy
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Have you wondered why Carnatic and Hindustani music sound so different? Though they are both forms of Indian classical music, there is a world of difference between them. In this video we explore some key differences that will help you understand both the styles better.
0:48 World of Gamakas
2:08 The Language
2:50 Compositions vs. Ragas
3:32 Themes and moods
4:40 How you can get started - Hudba
A friend of mine who is trained Carnatic Singer had this to say as well. Carnatic music evolved in Temples where as Hindustani music evolved in the courts of Rajas and Sultans .
No, both have originated from Samaveda.
No. The differences only started around the 11th century when North India was starting to be invaded by outsiders. Up to that point, both used the same important text books such as Bharata's Natya Shastra or the Sangeetha Ratnakara.
@@ho4250 what’s there to claim superiority complex ? Just stating an obvious fact. Not sure if you have listened to Carnatic music. 100% of them are bhakti or devotional.
@HellbrokeL It's called Carnatic because Purandhara Dasa was from Karnataka... If you see most of the Kritis are in Telugu and Sanskrit..
@HellbrokeL it was there before Islam even came into existence. Btw music is haraam in Islam.
Here in Karnataka, we love both carnatic as well as Hindustani music.
ok
Same here in north.
Same man .
I'm from Bangalore in South Karnataka where Carnatic music is more prevalent with Tyagaraja and Purandaradasa aradhanas every year.
In North Karnataka under the rule of Marathas and other Sultans Hindustani became more popular.
True
Ma'am, I have been hearing hindustani music from last 7 years and have always wondered about Carnatic music and the difference between the two. This is a breathtaking attempt to answer my queries. Such videos should come much more in number.🙏
Actually you are given reference in the theoretical books in the syllabus that what are the differences between two..
@@SERJACINESCOPES Yes of course but a practical demonstration is much better to understand than reading texts.
@@bhavyakumarsaini1639 yep
@andrei r please go to sentinel Ireland.
@@bhavyakumarsaini1639 Bro can you tell mee any good source of learning HC music online for a begginer?! 🙏
You should also add some historical context to the differences. Both systems emanated from the same origins but appears to have deviated around the 11th century, just when India was starting to be invaded by foreign forces. These invasions impacted North India a lot more than the South. In the North, almost all the temples were destroyed. These temples were not just places of worship but important centers for the arts. The lives and livelihoods of the usual patrons of the arts were destroyed. Many of the rulers of the invaders were against art forms such as music. Musicians had nowhere to go and had to closet themselves in close and hidden communities. This is what eventually led to the different gharanas. To earn a living as a musician, you had to please the ruling sultan and this invariably meant switching your religion, except during times of broad and open minded rulers such as Akhbar. So Hindustani musicians had a real tough time. Although some wonderful melodies were brought in from Persia and other places, Hindustani music was somewhat stifled with little opportunity to grow.
Contrast this what happened in the south. Yes, the South too underwent tough periods of conquest but generally these were pretty brief. As a result, the great temples, the center for development of so many arts, were largely left untouched. Many of them are still proudly standing today. Much of the time, pockets of the south, such as the Kaveri delta, were agriculturally very rich. Most had enough to eat and there was plenty of time to develop the creative arts, which was encouraged by many local patrons. There was a tremendous growth in compositions, theory and practice. In the 1500s, Purandaradasa, apart from being a prolific composer, laid out the structure for learning CM which is still in use. It was his student, Haridas who migrated to Varnasi and became Tansen's guru. Venkatamakhi and others in the 1600 laid out the melakarta raga classification system (it took another 300 years for HM to come up with a classification system that is still not as comprehensive as the melakarta scheme). This era was followed by a galaxy of composers, Tyagaraja, Dikshitar and Syama Shastry being among the most prolific. So in many ways, CM is much more developed than HM.
Thanks for such a detailed explanation. As a north Indian, i completely agree that carnatic music is way more detailed, elaborate and comprehensive than HM. But at the same time, the beauty of HM lies in it's heistancy in using only ancient styles and instead coming up with a completely new styles. The isolation indeed pushed for more variations and development of independent styles. I wouldn't give much credit to North Western influence rather innovations like thumri, Gazal etc were purely indigenous. Converting mridang to tabla is one thing we're perticularly proud of.
@@abhisheksoni2980 No doubt HM has its own areas of strength. However, I want to dispute a commonly held fallacy which is that CM uses "only ancient styles". It is some of the theoretical advances such as the development of the melakarta scheme that opened the way for lots of new ragas to be introduced. In Chemistry, the development of the Periodic Table led to the seeking and discovery of new elements. One can think of the melakarta table as having a similar influence - only it was 250 years earlier.
Brothers me a musically illiterate person has just learned so much from you guys! This is the true essence of comment section where ideas are discussed but without hate and Bias . ♥️ ThankYou
Hindustani music always had Rajput Patrons. Sitar is Three stringed veena which predates any persian influence. Ragas are from classical indian music only. Apart from urdu & persian songs impact of muslims on hindustani music is limited. Tansen learnt it near a Shiva Temple near Gwalior right next to Akbar (no he didn't convet that's a myth). Baijo Bawara never went to Akbar's court he was a great Hindustani musician he was the court musician of Man Singh Tomar of Gwalior so in a way Gwalior Gharana has nothing to do with Islam or Persia for that matter . Even pandit Ravi Shanka after examining both styles said the same thing.
Same thing I find it with Kathak people are quick to jump to point out Salwar in Kathak ( Lucknow gharan) whilst ignoring the purer Benares & Jaipur gharanas.
Thank you, Erwin, for such a detailed explanation 🙏 I'm a Taiwanese Canadian trained in Western classical music, but love and appreciate global music. CM and HM are so soothing for me to listen to, and I'll listen while working, studying, or driving. It's just so beautiful and unique. The history gives the music so much meaning, so thank you again 🙏❤️🇨🇦🇹🇼
India is the only country which has such a rich culture of music having 'Two Immortal Stream of Classical Music' i.e. 'Hindustani Shastriya Sangeet'(North Indian style) & 'Carnatic Sangeet'(South Indian style)....which reflects the Real Essence of India...I feel very proud to be Indian and a Student of Indian Classical Music as I am born & brought up in a Musical Family.....though I am trained in Hindustani......but I love Carnatic too and I am happy to learn it.....I love to sing songs in Different regional languages.. though my mother tongue is Marathi.....I would like to say that......Every Indian must l learn Indian Classical Music first whether Hindustani of Carnatic ....then other music like western or jazz etc......🎵🎵
Hey
Is't possible to learn hindustani Or carnatic music in the age of 18?
I'm very passionate about to lear singing
Please reply
@@zzaynnnn Yeah ! Of course you could have study* 🎁
Hindustani is persian music which blended into sub continent
@@vishnumohan9384nope
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Prathiba you are an excellent Guru and Rasika. Kids who choose you as guru are fortunate. God Bless You. Your voice is unique.
Wonderful! thank you for sharing your insights yet again!
in short carnatic music still holds true to its vedic origins while hindustani music has a lot of persian , turkic and arabic influences on it and is secular in nature
Exactly! Carnatic Music is from the Sama Veda.
LOL who told you that it has a lot of arabic and Turkish influence? There is but not a lot of. However before the 13 century, India had only one classical music prevalent in the entire country
@@annantporwal4970 sitar , tabla ,sarangi, santoor all are a result of mixing ancient indian culture with turko- persian culture. Hindustani music was more about celebration while carnatic is more about devotion.the ancient indian version( carnatic version) of tabla is mridangam and sitar is veena but ya this doesnt mean carnatic is 100 percent pure ancient indian classical music, carnatic does have foreign influences but they r very few and r majority from the west like violen is used in place of sarangi in carnatic music
@@annantporwal4970 thats basically whats makes hindustani culture, hindustani culture( the Culture of north India and pakistan) , its ancient indian culture mixed with the turko persian influences brought by the sultans
Mr Byron you are 💯 right sir thank you for your truthful words
You made my Indian culture subject easy and intresting. Thank you
as someone who is a fan of indian classical music but doesn't understand much about the theory, i appreciate this explanation. i was curious about this topic and you made it easy to understand :)
Same
Thank you as always for your great insights and perspectives of one of the most wonderful musical traditions ever!
Hey Prathibha. This was brilliant. There are many videos on youtube that claim to tell the difference between both styles but they fail to tell the differences you site in these videos. Most of them concentrate on swara sthanas and basic differences like the language of the compositions. Your descriptions are good.
Very nice explanation. Was looking for a comprehensive crisp video like this before but then I slowly figures these points out by myself by watching many videos and articles. But still this is very nice.
It is wonderful that india has two systems of great shastriya Sangeet : Hindustani shastriya Sangeet of North India and Karnatik Shastriya Sangeetam of South India and produced great artists like bharat Ratna pundit bhimsen Joshi, bharat Ratna MS subbulakshmi, Sangeet martand pundit jasraj, Vidwan Balamuralikrishna, Pundit Ravishankar, etc... And many others... Pranams 🙏🙏🙏
I love how enthusiastic Pratibha is about teaching this stuff. great lessons 👌
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“You should at least be comfortable enough to understand the gist of the compositions so that you can feel more connected to it and express the emotions appropriately.” 😂 True and hilarious! Great advice! Thank you wonderful, knowledgeable and proper instructor. ❤
Simply soooperb short and sweet information about the both indian classical music forms 🙏🙏🙏
Your videos are do clear and to the point! Thanks. - A music lover from Bangladesh living in Australia, with children learning Hindustani classical music and western classical music.
Don't you have any interest in Bengali folk music?
Super explanation about Carnatic and Hindushtani especially Devotional
You've really come a long way. There's not another person out there who is doing the things that you're doing. Very good that you're using technology to your advantage. I don't really sing but I play the guitar and one day maybe to explore Indian music, I will learn from you. Thanks, For what? For existing I guess....
Thank you so much, very informative,,video..
It was interesting to know this mam. I would urge you to make another video displaying the differences between Odissi music and Hindustani or Carnatic music. Odissi music has some very different ragas as well.
Wonderful tutorial. Thank you.
Ati sundar. Dhanyavad mam
Thanks.Conveyed the differences clearly.
👌👌👌Very good information about Carnatic music Hindustani music. Thanks.🙏
Коротко и по делу.информативно,спасибо
This was very much informative and I was searching this defference between hind. And karn.music....thank you very very very very much 🙏
Helpful for us.Thank you mam.
Mam, can u do a vid on differences between Carnatic and Odissi music?
As Odisha has recently filed a petition for recognition of Odissi music, which is different frm both Hindustani and Carnatic music, it has it's own ragas as well.
I am Latin American and I am learning Odissi dance so a video with those differnces would be great!!
Yes I agree!!
Yes
Very useful information...thank you.. wishes 🙏
This is so well explained. Thank you.
Intresting and great knowledge you shared Mdm Prathiba thank you god bless u..🙏🙏🙏
Excellent exposition. Very educative and very informative..
Extremely beautiful explanation...
A very important point that she makes- when you learn learn the meaning of the song, you will be able to sing it well.
I would add that one should learn about the composer as well so one can bring out the right emotions.
Simple and yet beautifully explained.
This was sooooooooo informative!!! Thank you!!😌😌😌😌
Excellent preparation and presentation
People say i am a great singer but ur videos shows me more of learning is done specially in carnatic form
I have started learning hindustani music recently. Could you please give tips and ways to improve musical knowledge and also to strengthen vocal fluency
Finally I got the platform with it I can join to learn music undoubtedly
It's Really Good Madam...
Thank You for the Explanation...
lovely explanation. Short and sweet
Karnataka is the only state which fallows both the classical musics...
Father of Carnatic music (Karnataka shastriya Sangeeta) purandara dasa..
Only Hindustani musician to get Bharata ratna is also from the state of Karnataka (Bhimsen Joshi)
Kannada is the only language in which songs can be sang in both the classical music.
Wow
That’s awesome I’m a Carnatic singer. And I have learned many purandara data songs !
@@prateekshahasfun1639 purandara dasa
ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ 🙏
You Kannada people have this Tamil gene where you have to boast about how great your state or language or ethnicity is. How about stating those facts in a non-boastful way?
Thank you! This was very helpful 😄
Excellent class
Super mam, really so helpful for me 🙏
Super madam..very simple and clear in presentation ❤❤❤
Lovely graphics as always!
Good info. Thanks.. Came here to know more about the difference to admit my 6 yr old into music classes🎉
Fascinating. I knew there were significant differences between North and South Indian music styles but wasn't aware of all the nuances. I guess this encompasses the non-vocal instrument performances as well.
Thankyou so much for the explanation❤
Wonderful explanation
You hv through knowledge any Carnatic and Hindustani. You hv sweet voice sing so well. I am your online studen and great Fan.l
Yes. Want to learn
Thank you madam. Great explanation.
Beautifully explained
Now I have to go and find your classical music performances on CZcams to continue listening to your intoxicating voice.
So helpful!!!
Scientific Expalanation. The best explanation so far
What an amazing Chanel, thank you very much ❤
Thank you very much 🙏🏽Wonderful
Please do more vdeos on info hindustani music mam please🙏
This was brilliant. I think that instruments do play a major role also : harmonium and tabla for hindustani and violin and mridunga for carnatic right ?
Tala (rhythm or beat) is expressed in different ways in both carnatic and Hindustani. In carnatic, we express tala using the hands, while in Hindustani, it is expressed by the tabla.. also, harmonium is used in carnatic music, mostly in devotional songs.. again, violin can be used in Hindustani as well... mridanga is specific to carnatic..
@andrei r I request you to not spread religion on a video dedicated to something different
Yes and also, in Carnatic it's Ri and in Hindustani it's Re. Also Sitar and veena and Sarangi and Violin.
@andrei r Where is Jesus' address? I wanna say wassup
Not only violin but veena tamburu etc
Mem.. i m from Assam.. i clear my visharad in hindustani music.. and now I want to learn carnatic music...
You should have also mentioned about the odissi classical music of odisha
Your class is so useful and you are GREAT🌹🌹🌸
Thank you for teaching. 🙏🪷
very well explained!
very useful inf.Tq madam.
Thank you Madam for this informative video. I have always wondered what the differences could be. Now you have clarified it. As I am student of flute, I observe that the Hindustani swara is one note lower than Carnatic. For example, the Sa in Hindustani is actually Kaishiki Nishadam of Carnatic (I am referring to the finger position). Is my observation correct?
This might be a bit late but No, it's just that finger positions are different in hindustani flute because the number of holes are different.
Dhrupad, from the Hindustani tradition, has a huge focus on spiritual compositions...
Very informative
Thank you so much ma'am. This doubt was killing me from many years ago I got clarity now ma'am 😍❤🙏 I want to learn Hindustani classical
Madam pls give a class about improvisation. How to improvise melody 🙏
Thanks for the information guru 😌 namaskar
Very informative one. Pls tell if there is any equivalent to dhaqt in carnatic music. Thanks
Very useful madam thank you.🙏
Wonderful!
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!
great video for singing learners like me
Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video. A must see video for everyone interested in world music.
indeed
Mam, sorry to say this, many times I think that I don't want to say this, but my mind can't, So I AM LOVING YOU as per musically & educatedly.
hey I am learning carnatic and got this question in my mind and it is answered correctly from you
Nice class.. with graphics 😘👌
For the music learners , i suggest you to listen to these Ar Rahman songs to find the difference between hindustani and carnatic music
Sunn bhavara - Hindustani
Malargal ketten - Carnatic
Amazing suggestion!
aku jadi mengerti. matur suksma
clarity in explanation 👌👌👌🙏
well Explained😍
wonderful video
Thank u for explaining sis 🙏
Swaras of padariyen padipariyen song podunga sis
Great 🧡
Thanks 🙏
Make a video about Both classical and Western classical
Thanks !
Please try to show us more examples in the future, like making lists of songs that we can find here on CZcams. Thanks for the video
This is really correct👍👍
Great video ❤️