How This TikToker Ended Her Career in 7 Seconds | Cait Corrain vs Goodreads vs Everyone
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Shout out to Emily Artful! I loved that interview too I hope she’s doing good these days it’s been a hot minute
Swoop, would you mind looking at the case of the fake TikTok Psychic in the Idaho 4 case? It’s a wild story and has ended up in court, but the coverage has kinda trailed off.
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I’m honestly sick of people blaming mental health for their racism!
Seriously. Depression does not a racist make.
cough trisha paytas COUGH colleen ballinger
Literally none of my stuff including my cluster b made me racist. The ignorance i was raised in as a white liberal before I radicalized made me racist. She’s beyond old enough to have begun to unpack her own active and passive racism- she doesn’t want to.
I Agree with you....
Seriously! They don’t go hand in hand!
"maybe authors are less messy than other types of people who dont handle sh*t privately" someone faked their death for 2 years to sell a book. its a very messy community
Honestly not mad at that one
its not as bad as other drama out there but its wild@@katdifranco
She also lied to get donations several times, I think including when she faked her death?
Courthouse Becky too...
Wait, what?! 😂
The sheer amount of time and energy Cait put into review bombing her fellow authors could have been used to produce an other book.... And the the speed she was going, she could have written a whole series 😂
She honestly should have said she was doing it for a book and made up something 😅
She even could've made this book about an insecure and deeply flawed mc sabotaging their peers to get it out of her system without hurting others... I would actually read that 😂
The books mentioned, for those who migth like to read them:
Voyage of the Damned, Frances White
Let them Burn, Kamilah Cole
To Gaze upon the Wicked, Molly x Chang
Mistress of Lies, K. M. Enright
The Hurricane Wars, Thea Guanzon
R. M. Virtues (mutiple books)
The Poison we Drink, Bethany Baptiste
Was writing them down anyway so I can check them out
Thank you!!!!!!
Thanks
Thank you, hope i can get them in Norway ❤
I might not be able to read those books but I feel bad for the authors
Nobody deserves that
I'm a self-published author. I have mental health issues. This woman achieved my DREAM only to throw it away over petty BS. I do not feel sorry for her. She dug her own grave, intentionally. Authors need to support each other, especially when we're first starting out. We need support more than ever then.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Please tell me how to look you up on Goodreads! I'm always looking for new things to read!
@@Shoot4AlarmFire Aww I appreciate the interest. My book is called “Council of Myths: Origins.” I have a sequel coming out this summer! :)
@@ladysamxoxo Awesome! Gonna check it out now!
I'll have to put it on my 'to look at' book list
As someone who suffers from mental health issues including bipolar 1 disorder (hello to my username): mental health issues don’t make you racist. I had severe breaks with reality during manic episodes. Wasn’t racist. And I’m tired of people using it as an excuse for their own disgusting beliefs.
same i have schizophrenia and have gone through a lot of mental health nosedives, never once was racist!!
Exactly!! I have mental health issues (mostly c-PTSD) and that doesn't give me a free pass to be a disgusting person.
My bestie has ADHD, Autism, Bipolar and hallucinations. Being racist wouldn't even cross her mind.
@@ville__ no one cares about what a bot account has to say
Bipolar 1 disorder and schizoaffective disorder sufferer here... This shit doesn't make you racist. Mental health isn't an excuse for anything.
Amen and damn right.
Whenever I had a mental breakdown or health struggle I NEVER bothered or harassed other people as a result. If anything I withdrew from everything and anyone which is why I say BS to people who use their health as an excuse for being shitty.
I have been the bad guy in moments of abysmal mental health. The thing is, I did it, me, not my mental health. Sure, I was in a bad place and lashed out. But that was still me, not my mental health. And I am doing what I can to be better.
That being said; even in my worst moments, I wasn't racist and specifically targeting bipoc people. Why? Because that's not me. The fact she did it; YIKES. Yuck. That's all her. And it's gross. Trash.
Spot on. It has been proven in studies that mentally ill people are considerably more likely to be victims than aggressors. It is most certainly not an excuse, and even if you do lash out or make mistakes during an episode- you are still responsible for handling the consequences of your actions and taking accountability when you come back to mental clarity.
And no mental health crisis is going to suddenly turn someone into a racist; it just reveals existing bigotry when there's less control capable of hiding it.
Agree. The only person I wanted to hurt at the low points was me.
I found out about this because I follow the person who first dropped the reveal. "Everybody looking into it" was mostly Xiran Jay Zhao (whose book "Iron Widow" is incredible btw). She tracked down all Corrain's sock puppet accounts, contacted the authors for their opinions on how to handle the info, and dropped it online with their consent. Y'all should collab someday and break the internet with your god-tier research skills.
They could solve every mystery omg.
Heads up that Xiran is nb and uses they/them pronouns! 😊
I think it was a testament to Xiran's character that they not only reached out to authors affected about how to handle it, but tried to get it resolved privately. They could have spilled the tea immediately, there was plenty of proof.
What gets me is that she didn't just go after people of color. She purposefully went after people she knew and were "friends" with. That is some high school type BS. She screams insecure with that action.
They were mostly BIPOC. I believe one, mayyybe two?, was white and her friend. The rest were in the same Slack with her, yes
Can't be friends with someone that doesn't congratulate you for your success. They're always snakes that use their own envy as a way to be shitty towards you
Not to mention she’s a grown woman who’s never grew up and has the mindset of a teenager.
@@alexandriaceballos1938
Yes that's what I thought as well 😊
Big yikes
Huge 🚨
This kind of behaviour by authors has been a problem on Goodreads for over a decade. Any petty author who felt threatened by someone more talented (and usually LGBTQA+ and/or BIPOC) would send their sock puppets and fans to attack and chase their target off social media. Goodreads has done nothing to police this disgusting behavior despite the outcry.
I treat Goodreads kind of like Rotten Tomatoes, these days; everything is suspect and reviews good or bad can be bought/influenced/be a straight up fabrication
I didn't realise that this issue has been a Goodreads problem... I know that this is commonplace in fanfiction writing circles where a writer gets so jealous and threatened by another author that is in the same fandom that they are in. It's all in an attempt to chase the other author out of the fandom, and potentially even to get them to stop writing altogether.
I had no idea that this was a thing that is a commonplace problem on Goodreads, especially by writers.
and now Goodreads just became a marketing tool for Amazon, especially the Goodreads award.
@@haneulnophi Honestly, though, the Goodreads Awards have been like senior superlatives for years. They often go to the most popular, not the most worthy.
@@the_petty_crocker that's true, books written by celebrities always winning the award (as well as well-known big authors like stephen king). it's boring and predictable. and last year's decision to take out middle grade & poetry category is super disappointing too. clearly amazon is just using the award to sell more books that fits the current trend.
The main thing that bothers me about her “apology” is that she doesn’t even acknowledge or mention that her reviews targeted BIPOC authors.
And the thing is, she _knows_ it's racist. If you look at her fake chat with "Lily", there's a part where "Lily" said something like "I also reviewbombed BIPOC authors so you're going to be thought as racist". So she's well aware about the biggest problem with what she did!
@@Tamaki742 oh jeez 👀 I didn't see/notice that. Nice catch!! Imagine telling on yourself _this_ hard while trying to blame it all on your imaginary friend 🤦🏽♀️
Racists are weird... who cares what color a persons skin is or what their gender is. A good book, or other story mediums, is a good book. Could be written by a martian for all I care.
@@Cr0wsMurd3r
AGREED 👍🏻
Why couldn’t she just have drunk texted her ex like any of the rest of us?
I do hope people actually go ahead and check out the BIPOC authors that were involved in this. Too many people that were scandalized by this are left feeling like "Oh I should avoid supoorting this author!" and not enough people are left feeling like "I should go check out those other debut authors"
I don't really care about the skin color of an author. I understand it was a reason for her to attack them. Buuuut a book having one star before even beeing published makes me curious :D I will definately check out those books and authors. They must be good enough to be a threat.
@@greeboXdidnt need the first part, that clearly wasnt the point
@@Tw0Dots Hmm... maybe I wrote it in a way, that was unclear. If I hurt anybody whit this, I apologise, that was definately not my intention. English isn't my native language. What I meant was, that skin color should not be a criteria when it comes to writing (or anything else). I think, that it was the reason for those authors to become a target, but in my opinion it just shouldn't matter. I try to be colorblind, when it comes to skin. Same goes for gender or other cards life dealt you, when you were born.
@@greeboXthe point is that poc authors do not get as much support as white authors do, even iff their books are better. So yes, skin colour does make a difference, even if you don't want it to
Was not prepared for a part of an internet controversy to be solved by the freaking Reylo shipping community but the internet is a weird place
This says it all.
If you come for the Shippers, they will sink you quicker than the Titanic
Never mess with ship communities, they WILL end you lmaoo
Right? 😂 I never thought I’d find myself praising the Reylo community
You know what they say:
The truth is stranger than fiction
I saw this unfold all over Twitter through one of the authors who covered it, and it was insane. Mental health isn't an excuse to be racist, and she was so gross for her actions
Same, I’m a fan of a couple of the authors she targetted. So many booktubers covered this as it happened.
Illness! You mean mental illness!
Honestly, this apology started off better than most I've seen online, although that's not saying much. However, it quickly took a turn for the worse when she portrayed herself as a victim and sought pity by using addiction and mental health issues as excuses. This attempt to deflect blame turned what seemed like a heartfelt apology into another attempt to evade responsibility, completely undermining its sincerity.
Nobody enjoys being called out, as it's embarrassing, but facing the consequences is a crucial part of growth. She could gain much more respect by taking ownership of her actions. This incident provides valuable insight into her true character behind closed doors because her apology reveals that this behavior isn't new for her. She exhibited the same behavior the previous year, so it's hard to believe she's genuinely sorry when it was acceptable to her until she got caught.
She had already shifted blame to a fictional person named Lily previously, so it's clear that she would have continued down this path if she hadn't been exposed and called out. The apology falls flat because she had already tried to play innocent the first time and blame someone else; now she's just using a different excuse, but it's the same pattern.
In the discord messages, "Lilly" points out that most of the reviews were against poc authors and that Cait would be ruined due to that. Cmon, Cait. You knew what you were doing.
The fact that she went after authors of color makes me think her thought process was "I am a deserving white author who got here on merit and I'm being shafted because of all that damned affirmative action!" 🤮 And do we know what Del Rey advanced Corrain? Because the Molly X Chang review with 'I can't believe Del Rey spent $500k on this when they could've spent it on anything else' makes me wonder if hers was less and she was jealous.
Corrain stated this was the reason, she was jealous that MXC got more money. I have heard inklings that Corrain is also from old money and has a bunch of safety nets with her family, so the entire fiasco she caused just oozes entitlement
after watching some reviews of her book, and seeing how predictably poorly written and banal it is, pretty much the only one who got any affirmative action with zero merit was her lol. I guess in a way she had a right to be insecure.
Sooooo she already got the great opportunity of her dreams that no one, absolutely no one, tried to hinder, but she ruined it for no reason anyway????? WTF KATIE
According to many people their book was hella mid as well, but so many people were supporting them anyway? They got the chance of the lifetime, Sarah J Mass style, to publish their very own mid book and still make bank--and ruined it.
Cait's book is mediocre at best + "how TF did this get a book deal?!" at worst.
recommend watching READS WITH RACHEL who has a video on the book itself [not the drama] + discusses why it doesn't work. mediocre is putting....kindly. 😬
@@hellaSwankkyTooI’m sure most of these authors were infinitely better than her, so she should’ve worked WITH them to learn and become better, not try to wreck them.
she was set up for so much success. she had Illumicrate May 2024 which is massive in itself (collectable cover, probably sprayed edges, basically a special edition of the book) and getting traditionally published in the first place is big. she would have done insanely well with what was already there, kinda nice that now other people get those opportunities since she ruined it for herself so badly there's no recovering from it.
@@hellaSwankkyToo thank you! I will 😁
Literary Twitter is the WEIRDEST online space ever. Even though it happened way back in 2019 I'd love to hear you go over the whole incident where dozens of authors (including ones people generally like, like Roxane Gay) absolutely attacked a random student because she made a single comment that YA romance books weren't appropriate content for her college's reading program.
I researched this shit throughly and I'm still flabbergasted. I really do not understand WHY. How the F did this woman feel SO threatened when she had a multiple book deal, MULTIPLE powerhouse well-established artists working with her, and it was already well regarded in the industry to the point that it had basically been bought to workshow an adaptation.
That said, the racism was just so so gross for someone presenting themselves as an ally, and her apology was bullsh*t. Not the worst I had ever read/seen, but wow. Way to NOT take ANY accountability whatsoever. The other authors gave her so much undeserved grace before Xiran snapped
Edit: "The definitive beige bible," LMAO
thats cuz racism isnt logical, that why.
because they were not thinking
@@335chr oh they were thinking l, they're just a horrible person.
I think many people misunderstand racism. Racists don’t feel threatened by other races they hate. They truly think people of other races shouldn’t have the same opportunities or good things that they deserve (DESERVE being the operative word). Doesn’t matter how talented or how hard they may work. This woman wasn’t threatened nor was she anxious. She resented the fact that BIPOC authors merely existed next to her and were succeeding to some degree (I’ve no idea who any of the authors are or if their deals were comparable or better than Cait’s).
If she felt threatened, she would have gone after fellow white authors. Her actions were calculated and purposeful. It happens all the time which is why people who claim “Shut up about racism already! It doesn’t exist!” need to sit the hell down. It does. And the most insidious and harmful variety is perpetrated by people like Cait Corrain.
My alcoholism made me a person I hated, and I definitely did a lot of things that I regret, but it didn't make me racist. While I hold empathy for Cait as someone who has struggled with alcoholism and mental health, her actions point more towards someone with a mean and self-serving personality. I hope the other authors have amazing releases and I wish them all so much peace and success!
The fact that she was given everything every debut author dreams of, was on the verge of great success with the help of all those companies supporting her and her work…only to throw it all away to stomp out her fellow authors who were at more of a disadvantage just so she could ensure that only she got all the fame and success. What a horrible, conniving, pathetic thing to do - especially within a community that endlessly supports each other and each other’s work. She got exactly what she deserved and I hope the affected authors can come back from this mess.
_This._
This. So much this. Having watched what my mom dealt with getting all four of hers published this just blows my mind.
@@rhylla_864that’s awesome your mom is an accomplished author! Drop that pen name! Love to check out her work! 😊 do you write or pursue any creative works yourself?
THE PURPLE HAIR IS STUN-NING. I never thought I would love something other than the blue but.... i think the purple is my new favorite. I cant get over how good it looks on you.
Also awesome video as always
I LOVE that you covered this, as someone deep into Booktok this story just kept getting wilder and my jaw was on the floor the entire time! Also love that you showcased some of the BIPOC authors she was trying to trash to help spread their incredible books!
This reminds me of when I entered an art competition and made a bunch of fake accounts to vote for myself and was humiliated/ashamed when I was called out. However I was 13 when that happened!!!!! it amazes me that an adult did this!
I'm so sorry that must have been embarrassing 🥲
Tbf, i would have done the same thing you did, when i was 13 😂
Damn, how did they find out?!
@@Asp4672 probably checking the IP address, the accounts/email addresses will have all been made at the same location and probably the same device
It's different when a dumb kid does dumb things. Having an adult do this is a whole other story.
Lauren the Mortician belongs in the suspool. Other tiktokers have receipts and recordings of her and her lawyer fraudulently calling wellness checks on people
I would love it if Swoop covered this! It’s such a mess, I’m having trouble keeping up with it, and I love niche internet drama.
Omg this is the perfect EDB x SWOOP Collab opportunity
@@Not4Raccoons I think it'd be good for her to cover on her second channel. Because its not a super intense time consuming banger like the Colleen stuff, but its still serious internet harassment thats getting into legal and criminal shit. Plus, not enough people know what a cruel transphobic person that Lauren is. If she is comfortable publicly liking and commenting transphobic things, more of her audience should know that about her.
Just heard about this person today and saw her video being all "well, I'm bisexual, so y'all are obviously STUPID for thinking I could be a transphobe!" Like, grrl, that's not how any of this works... so frustrating to me, tho, because I've heard some of the most disgustingly transphobic things come from other queer people's lips.@@rebeccafernandez8451
With Lauren for me it's the complete denial of any wrong doing whilst being a complete and total hypocrite. 🤬 Lauren is unnecessarily mean and condescending.
For your question at the start of the video, I think ned fulmer is the fastest downfall (in terms of successfully being cancelled/having consequences) I’ve ever seen on youtube. As soon as people heard he cheated on his wife it was over like everyone dropped him at once, whereas usually youtubers/influencers have repeat offenses before they actually fall off, like shane dawson or colleen ballinger
Coming in late but there is a thing called ARCs - advanced reader's copy, which are often digital but sometimes print copies publishing give to influencers and other readers to drum interest for those books previous to release, and review them months before they come out. So all those books despite unreleased to the general public, were already in the hands of several readers.
As someone with mental health issues who used to self-medicate with booze...creating a bunch of sock puppet accounts to leave a bunch of bad reviews on fellow authors' (mainly POC ones, too) books to make my own book be more successful sounds more like a calculated plan than something done spur-of-the-moment during a bad episode! Like if I did something like that during a bad episode, the next day I would wake up thinking, "What have I done?"
Right? Less booze on my end but I’ve definitely done things during manic episodes that I had to walk back after (usually deleting risqué tumblr accounts 🙃 but also apologizing to people if I started fights/acted shitty). It sucks and feels awful but it’s literally the least I can do.
This is exactly why I don't believe the mental health excuse here.
There's a point you'd realize what you've done and come clean, but she didn't, and she even went ahead to try and craft herself a story with this "Lily" character. This is all premeditated action from a very nasty person, I'm tired of mentally ill people (especially struggling with substance abuse) being thrown under the bus like this.
@@lyswenn Now I'd understand if, say, someone was experiencing a psychotic episode or DID and literally did not know what they were doing. But I don't think that was what was happening in this case. It's more like she chose to deal with her issues the wrong way. She chose doing bad things than getting help. Know what I mean?
Girl, you work yourself to the bone to put out well researched, quality content and I appreciate the absolute FUCK outta you for it. Please remember to take time for yourself this year! 🙌
I'm a romance book cover designer and also run 7 facebook book clubs, so I heard about this when it happened, but was curious to know more. Thanks for covering this. It's hard to believe anyone would do this. I'm not surprised there were consequences. From my experience, authors don't mess around and I'm glad to see she got what she deserved.
I screenshotted each of the books you shared from the BIPOC authors and I am adding them to my wishlist! Thank you so much for sharing the covers ❤
I added them as well !
That ‘apology’ where she says her memory is fuzzy ‘so it’s possible there are a couple other authors’, is basically her saying there are way more authors out there that she has done this to and she is trying to get ahead of any more evidence coming to light. If any more does come out she has always got this excuse now (not that it should ever be an excuse anyway and not that I believe her!)! She knows damn well she’s done way more than is currently being dragged up!
Trickle truthing.
I'll never get people who act like there's only so much fame to go around. Like they have to trash others in order to make it big. It's so toxic 🤦♀️
Yes! Even more in the author/book-community! Like, it's not like readers only read one book and then they are done. If somebody writes something similar to your stuff, those readers most likely will check yours out, too. It can honestly be so enriching to connect with other authors and lift each other up, like we should lift up all those authors right now who Cait Corrain targeted
well. people's time isn't completely unlimited. and some people can get tired of certain genre and get more picky...
agree with you and freya totally - i think in the author community what they are more concerned about is less the fame of it all and more the money the publisher is willing to spend, which is always talked about as a finite and ever shrinking/stingily handed out resource, and the bigger the marketing budget = the more successful your book is gonna be = the more deals you get = the longer/more likely you are to sustain yourself with your authorly career alone/majority. Still a ridiculous mindset that publishers encourage because they, like most corporations and organisations, are diseased with the same poisonous ideology that capitalism &white supremacy spread everywhere, and encourage cutthroat competition and whine endlessly about budget cuts and profit margins and blah blah money my extra mansion and townhouse and villa and yacht and holidays and blah.
i absolutely agree this scarcity mindset is ridiculous, people enjoying a good book if it truly is good will make them want to read more, and authors should celebrate each other and enjoy each other's success. she was clearly motivated by racism, insecurity, jealousy of the publisher's money, and envy of the success of people of colour.
Does not help this is also just part of how young girls are often raised- to put each other down. I doubt it’s a coincidence all the victims were women on top of being BIPOC.
@@aromaladyellie well said. It reminds me of how singer like Halle Bailey get talked about, as if she's competing with Beyonce. As if there can only be one amazing famous (Black) singer in the world.
Not Swoop casually dropping that she’s in a happy relationship via sponsorship! 😮❤ I’m so happy for you!
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Swoop I have so much admiration and respect for you and your team. THANK YOU for covering this in its entirety. There were so many pieces that were coming out at different times that it was hard to keep a timeline going for it all to make sense. This helped immensely, also Xiran deserves so much for sticking up for fellow authors and trying to take the high road. But even when exposing Cate they were backing up everything with receipts. 💜
As an indie author (one who doesn't sabotage my peers and is truly grateful for all my readers) thank you so much for covering this!
I absolutely hate how people use mental health problems or medication as scapegoat for their shitty behavior. It's not the medication hon, it's your lack of conscience
I changed careers because I was beyond DONE with the toxicity within the writing community. Actions like this sadly happen far too often, and MFA programs tend to nurture dynamics like this.
your eyeshadow, lipstick, the shirt and jewelry, the hair color, ur skin tone- everything goes together SO well omg. you look like a color study drawing or something
Goodreads is just a popularity contest these days so I can see why her painfully insecure mind thought it was so important. Geez, what a mess. She even had other lucrative deals before the book came out planned as well. Talk about throwing an amazing opportunity in the trash for nothing.
omg im part of booktok and this whole thing was crazy. saw the whole thing as it happened. i preordered all the books from the authors that were affected and cannot wait to read them
That's incredible of you!
@@SwoopTooyou're the Best 😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
This is my escapism for me. It’s so refreshing hearing of some random drama rather than the shit storm I’m currently dealing with
Karma came a knocking like the speed of light. Such a devious and destructive thing to do. Imagine pouring your blood, sweat, and tears into a project just to have a petty, racist, insecure train wreck try to sabotage your work. I had something similar happen to me involving work and someone I hired I thought was trustworthy. The affects of sabotage can be far reaching and devastating. Glad this women was caught and called out.
That hair colour on you is absolutely STUNNING
writing a book is SO hard and its always such a win when a fellow aspiring author makes it happen. to do this to people who all know the joys and pains of writing and the absolute stress that comes with trying to get traditionally published is WILD.
Becoming an author has been a dream of mine for years. Seeing someone literally getting things i can dream of, like being signed by freaking Penguin Random House, only for her to throw it all away 🤦🏻♀️ It makes me so mad, and sad.
Absolutely LOVED that you shared the names of the novels affected as well as the writers. Definitely going to be putting them on my TBR list
I was following this story on Reads with Rachel too and the absolute absurd delulu that took place in this case is unhinged.
🌟✨Yes! I've been binge watching Reads with Rachel's "Authors Behaving Badly " series, and am shocked how many of them are so troublesome! It's mind blowing to me!✨🌟
@@chenoda YES 100%!
@@ville__, stop spamming...🙄
Rachel also took one for the team and reviewed her book. It's crap, no wonder Corrain was worried about the competition.
@@chenodaYep! At this point, I'd need to be paid a significant amount of money to read Yarros, SJM, Hoover, Jodi Picoult, and on and on... There's too many fantastic stories out there to waste my time on tripe written by shit humans.
Damn, no one can deliver a non-violent butt-whoopin like Swoop!!! Racism is not brought on by mental health. It's what resides inside your black heart. As others stated, I'm tired of mental health being an excuse for being a sorry person when so many of us deal with mental health problems without being hateful to others.
Racism is more so something taught and normalised from a young age, as well as the twisted beliefs connected to racism to “justify it”, over it being something that resides in your black heart, but yeah, someone who would do this is genuinely not a good person, even without the racism.
The hell are you talking about? Swoop is literally known to cause drama and/or spread it and ruin people's careers over pure conjecture and being a complete 3rd party to it all.. what part of that is "non-violent"? I hate people like her, her community, and you for this exact reason. You're fine with ruining people over something they said/did then act like you're tired of people using mental health and such as an excuse meanwhile you're all out with your pitchforks destroying lives being absolutely no better - usually worse - than the people you're fighting against.
As someone who has suffered with mental health issues for upwards of a decade I can say that mental health issues do not absolve you of guilt. It can explain your mental state at the time but it does not free you from accountability. Even then at the end of the day you have to own up to your actions. You can’t take back the irreparable damage you have done but you can reflect on your actions, grow from them, and try to make amends where you can. I’ve done things myself in fits of emotional breakdowns that I am not proud of but I own up to my actions, regret them every day, and try to help those I hurt heal from the trauma I caused.
I struggle to give Cait credit for anything, but she got me a lot of additions to a long empty reading list! Excited to support the authors effected by this woman \o/
I’m also surprised there was no mention of the movie deal she had out of the gate
Ughh this infuriates me. As someone who consistently dissociated through their life, I am so sick of people doing shitty things and blaming it on mental health. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️I have ADHD, anxiety, C-PTSD, but you know what I'm not? A racist. Some people need to be in therapy until they can play well with others.
No one blames it on feeling mentally healthy! I get that ‘mental health’ has somehow colloquially come to mean mental illness, but it just reinforces the stigma, like mental illness is so horrible to acknowledge we have to refer to it as though its Opposite Day. Screw the stigma. It’s mental illness. I didn’t spend over a year in a psychiatric hospital because of my ‘mental health’. I was very, very ill and continue to treat and monitor it every damn day. Health ≠ ill.
if someone with DID has a racist personality from like an abuser, is that like, an excuse too?
@@Jack-px8lfHello, I am part of a system so I'd like to answer this. There could be a racist alter, but system accountability is a very real and important thing. Even if one of th alters is racist, that doesn't mean that the host/ other members of the system are just going to let it slide.
Two Swoops in two days!
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Our Queen is generous.
“I twirl on my haters…ALBINO alligators” Beyonce also uses this reference in Lemonade to talk about white supremacy. Beyonce is also from the South.
Let’s not act like Black slang is accessible and monolithic.
I've lived in the South and heard Albino Snake (granted, I was living in the Southeast, Beyonce is from Texas, so it varies). Someone made a good comparison to the phrase "blind as a bat". The albino part isn't the insult, ffs. It's just a reference to whiteness and the actual name of a species of white snake.
She got a 2 book deal from PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE!!! That's a freaking HUGE publishing company, she would have been set for LIFE!! And she did one ⭐ bombs????
I literally have 8 books fleshed out in manuscript, 4 of them a series, and I'm absolutely terrified to even TRY to publish right now, but if PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE called up, I'd be on my BEST behaviour, no question
I'm very active in the writing social media space as someone writing their first book, and I'm blessed to be friends with both tradpub authors and indie authors. Getting review bombed before a book release is SO shitty, and so underhanded. The way online sales work, the algorithm won't recommend your book unless you have reviews. So both tradpub and indie authors send out ARCs (advanced reader copies--free copies of the book) in hopes that people will read and review BEFORE the release date. There are even services, like Booksirens, that authors can pay to add their books to a list that pre-screened ARC readers can access. It's a BIG deal, all to serve the algorithm. If you don't have a backlog of well-reviewed books and your first gets tanked pre-lease, it can seriously damage your career. Pretty much your only option then is to start over with a different pen name.
So I love your videos so much and I'm from the Caribbean with family who live and grew up in the south. "Alb***o snake" is actually a common slang. And even "snake in the hen house" is a slang used by older American and Caribbean folks (in my island we have calypsos referencing that saying). I think, as a black southern author, Bethany just combined the two of them to create a literary allusion. Basically we know from her wording that the traitor is a white person - someone that slithered in and wrecked havoc before anyone could realize what was going on. Although she most likely did not mean it maliciously, it definitely did have a bad impact. But it begs to question if Bethany's perceived misstep was simply used to derail and deflect from the larger issue.
It was.
Yes, I thought everyone has heard “snake in the hen house” but I am also from NC.🤷🏾♀️😂 But I completely agree that it was definitely a deflection.
Yes I’m so glad the other author caught that as such and called it out as such and put out the receipts in response cuz that was trifling like girl you know you just trynna deflect and hurt this woman again ya nasty smh
I get that using Albinism against people isn't cool, but also snakes can have albinism and the expression is referring to a snake, I think it's a stretch to say this was ever meant as ableism.
Thanks for that. I was sitting here trying to figure out what "A Snake" meant. I've never heard the term "snake in the hen house" before. I'm in the North East U.S. and I've only ever heard "fox in the hen house."
she's 100% not sorry. in fact, she is probably furious inside and hates these people even more. This type of attack can only come from a true narcissist. if she genuinely felt bad, she would have owned up to it a long time ago. she tried literally EVERY single method of shifting blame and even dragged her friends into it without any shame or concern about how this will reflect on their character. She ONLY apologized when she was backed into a corner with no other options and once she realized her livelihood was being taken away, THEN she said sorry. so she's only sorry because she got caught, and even then she didn't blame her selfish personality, she blamed mental health and her brand new substance abuse issues despite never mentioning those problems in the past (and of she ever did have those problems everyone knows that as a narcissist she would halve discussed it thoroughly for clout, sympathy, and attention. no way is she sorry.
“A snake/fox in the hen house” is a common southern expression for a dangerous person sneakily slithering into a peaceful space with the purpose of stirring trouble or causing harm. (I hadn’t known that it was originality referring to white people in POC spaces, but it makes sense.) The expression is not dissimilar to the idiom “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” in that both describe a deceitful person with wicked intentions.
I mean this is something everyone should keep in mind. You can build a career, reputation, or your entire life in years or even decades and it can all be ruined in moments. Be nice and considerate to each other and that chance is going waaaaaay down
JK Rowling comes to mind-not exactly ruined, but close
@@justkiddin84 It doesn’t have to be big celebrity downfalls. It’s a momentary lapse in judgement that can ruin everything. Like a flirtatious remark at work, a joke in bad taste, a thrown punch, a kiss when you’re in a relationship, looking at your phone while driving…
You get the gist
@@marvinko6610 yes, very true!
I wondered if you would pick this story up. It's been all over booktok and booktube. It's a wild one.
I had no idea about this I am shook! I thought the biggest drama with goodreads at the end of the year was that nothing was loading and there was a shiz ton of people moving over to Storygraph. Thank you for sharing this! Definitely going to have to go read all those books this year!
As a black Southerner, I have heard the term used about a snake to describe a deceptive white person before. Is it acceptable? Not really, cause it sucks when people are racist toward you, so it is best not to stoop to their level. Had she stated that there was "a snake in the hen house" and left out the "a" word, I would not have seen a problem. The hen house saying is similar to the Shakespearian statement, "There is something rotten in the state of Denmark." Both sayings imply that deception is afoot. Either way, racism is not good, and people should be nice to each other regardless of race, religion, gender, creed, sexuality, or whatever. A person should be judged on their actions and character. We should treat each other how we would like to be treated.
This is so disheartening to hear as an aspiring author. To think someone could do something like this just to boost their own book is disgusting. Thank you for covereing this! For some of us, writing is everything and it's nice to see a well researched video on this topic to hold someone like this accountable. Much love swoop
One of my 2024 bingo predictions was that book community drama goes mainstream. Didn’t expect to check this one off so soon into the new year
Nicely done, Swoop. Let me tell you how well her mental health and drinking alcohol excuses went in the author community on Facebook. Not good. Not good at all. And sincerely, thank you so much for sharing the other authors’ glorious books! The author community is full of wonderful people who uplift, encourage, and do what they can (where they can) to help one another. What Cait did was disgusting and inexcusable. Again, you covered this so well.
Wow. So this is what it looks like when people get exactly what they deserve. How does someone fumble life THIS badly? 😅
There’s so much shady ish that goes on in BookTok! I hope to see more because there’s so many grown women that belong in the sus-pool from that side of TikTok for sure.
Just a note: The friend of Cait Corrain who has albinism has made a complete apology for her words, and it was accepted by the individual she attacked.
Sometimes writers do get messy, but tbh I think we tend to be less drama than some other corners of the world. Also, lots of us are introverted and don't like getting into big fights :)
I do think the excuse that its a popular saying doesn't make it less hurtful to use. There are plenty of "popular sayings" that are hurtful and when someone is offended it is definitely a time to re-evaluate whether or not that saying is something that you should continue to use.
@@infinitelyfinite758I disagree. I think your point is low key whitewashing the terms. Way too many times black people have had phrases that mean something specific and then a white person adds a new meaning that’s offensive and then plays victim. Albino snakes are an actually animal and it would make no sense we would talk in masses about albino people specifically when they are so rare. It’s clear what the term means. Stop twisting it.
I think she was completely justified in calling out the use of the phrase "albino snake." It's obvious that the word albino shouldn't be used as an insult. I think her anger is justified, she is allowed to be offended and get defensive at that type of ableist language.
I don't think she should have to apologise; it was ableist to use a disability as an insult. It always is ableist to do that.
Sometimes communities have popular racist/ableist/phobic phrases, if that is indeed a popular one, doesn't change it being ableist.
Swoop is literally known to just cause drama and spread drama then act all innocent. She has ended so many careers.. one of my absolute favorite youtubers got destroyed for no reason while she was in the hospital recovering from an issue with her throat which left her unable to speak for a while. What gets irritating is how aggressive communities are lately without looking at all the facts. The odds are you're going to say something at some point that offends SOMEONE.. especially in today's world where everyone's so extremely sensitive. The real question is how it's handled afterwards. If there's a genuine apology people need to quit using it against that person and move on.
Love the purple hair..better than the blue..blue was cute too but this one looks much prettier!!! Keep up the good work
I love this additional channel!!!
Gurl you're workin' it...thank you so very much!
Off to watch the doc!
Something that stuck with me regarding this…nefarious MESS: a writer mentioned in a comment on another video that being an author isn’t a competitive field in the way we think it can be. Someone writing a similar genre or similar type of book as someone else can actually be helpful in a sense. This is because similar titles, genres, and plot lines will be RECOMMENDED after buying or finishing a book. She already had deals in the works, had friends in the industry who were writing similar genre stories…she had everything to gain from EVERYONE SUCCEEDING with their debut books. That’s the depth of how petty and racist she really was. There WAS NO COMPETITION. She hated the idea of POC authors doing well SO BADLY she risked and lost her entire career when she didn’t even remotely need to do ANYTHING. No excuses: Cait is just hateful!
It's especially bizarre to me because it seems like such a limp noodle strategy lol 🤡Even if she'd somehow gotten away with something that dumb, I can't imagine there'd even be much of a payoff for her. There's no way a handful of accounts review bombing a few other fellow debut books was going to impact her own sales/reviews in any meaningful way. Absolute gremlin behavior.
Gremlin behaviour 😂😂
Please don't continue this anti-Gremlin narrative. Those critters are already so misunderstood...
That's the first thing I thought too. Like, there's really no point. I think she just had negative feelings towards these people and she just wanted to voice them without repercussions.
All I have to say after watching the end of this video is that I would never do this to other authors because we’re supposed to be putting up good material for others to enjoy. I did pre-order Bethany‘s book on audible, since it isn’t interesting read in my opinion from what I can see from the synopsis. as an author, supporting an author, I will to say is that I know how hard it is to get your name out there in your work noticed.
Wow, you’re always so beautiful but this purple hair colour is SOOO stunning on you! Very complimentary.
Of course, you do an amazing job at explaining great stories in detail, and that’s what draws me to your channel.
But GAWD, you lookin 🤌😘
As someone who is currently searching for a publisher for my debut novel AND is also neurodivergent- this is disgusting and horrifying. I would die for the opportunity she had, and she threw it away and tried to blame mental health. So infuriating.
On the other hand, I hear a publisher is one debut author short... I volunteer 😂. I even try to be inclusive in my writing (LGBTQ+, POC characters) ❤
Right! The deals she had lined up are the absolute DREAM for any writer, and it still wasn’t enough for her
I'm glad you commented on a the "snake in the hen house" tweet. A lot of people I see covering this are white, so they defer to her claims that it's southern Black slang and give her a pass. I'm a POC from the south, and while "snake in the hen house" is certainly a well-known phrase, I suspect the "a*****" flavoring was her personal spin to imply whiteness. I've never heard it outside this tweet. But even if it IS a common phrase, that doesn't mean it can't be rooted in ablism. I think it was kind of unfair that Meredith got so much heat for being hurt by the phrase, even though I do also think she was kind of inserting herself into the situation in a way she probably shouldn't have.
What’s worrying is Bethany Baptist is an inclusive education teacher, she works with kids with disabilities. Albinism affects all races and it should never have been given a pass. She’s vile for using it, especially with her background, she she do better instead of doubling down on X
It’s not ableism tho, albino snakes literally exist and also she wasn’t referring to any literal albino people and wasn’t talking about the disabilities associated with albinism. She was also probably trying to bypass the censorship that comes on social media when you say the color “white”. Meredith had no right making this about her somehow, I hate when people do that shit and I hate when people on Twitter just ignore the entire concept of context because they’re always foaming at the mouth to cancel someone and get brownie points from the mob. Also with the censoring I straight up thought she said “air-ee-yan” at first and I was gagged cuz that would’ve been absolutely brutal 💀
Wasn’t that comment about Cait?
@@whatscookingoodlookin1 it was but for some reason Meredith was like “why don’t I make myself the victim here teehee” like girl 🙄
@PhoenixRoseYT It's still incredibly shitty to use albinism as a general synonym for "white". It's genetic, can effect anyone including BIPOC, and comes with a laundry list of symptoms besides just being too pale. Even if it's a commonly used phrase or euphemism amongst black ppl it's still dumb and unsavory at best, and is still ableism when using it in that manner. She used that word for a reason, it was either a descriptive for someone or ment to be derogatory, otherwise it served no purpose being in the tweet. Meredith had every right to be upset when she saw that. Most people would be upset if they saw their disablity/genetic condition get boiled down too an insult for a certain race/ethnicity of people while being compared to an animal.
omg I saw this unfold on twitter and I never thought you would cover it !
I'm a reylo so I can talk a bit more abt the reylo part in the video.
Cait tried at one point to blame reylo fan saying her reylo friend on discord did all of this because for her reylo fan are all crazy. What she didn't expect is for us (reylo) to have an excellent collective memory. After years of attacks from dudebros and racist SW fans, we decided to protect ourselves: one reylo is an analyst and has kept thousands of tweets to dig them out if need be for receipts, and I can categorically say that no reylo had her friend's name. She analyzed millions of tweets on 3 years and she didn't find any user with lily name. In fact, it's just one more lie: to get out of trouble, she lied and tried to blame the reylo, but she had no idea that we kept track of a lot of things
It's just disgusting, before all of that happened, reylo have been here for her because Cait was kinda a reylo at a point and we are always happy when one of us got a book deal. We were "yeah you go girly", I can't even imafine how ali and thea felt finding that she bombed their review while they give good one of her books.
OMG SWOOP looks AMAZING AND SO BEAUTIFUL! Just started the vid but she took my breath away and I had to comment! Thanks for the vid Swoop!!
She’s an absolute turbo piss patch, but the way she writes dialogue in the fake dms is, and I cannot stress this enough, _so funny._ She talks like AI elsagate characters
Also hello lilac hair Swoop! You look awesome ❤
That “daddy chill :/“ “what the hell is even that” clip
What is that from. It’s incredible. Is the daddy chill guy okay
Turbo piss patch!???! 😂😂😂😂😂 I'm weak....
As a recovering addict, I have done a lot of stuff that I deeply regret while under the influence. However, my drug of choice never made me act out in racist ways because I’m not overtly racist while sober! (Saying overtly because as a who’re woman I know I still have blind spots to my privilege and prejudice)
Drugs and alcohol amplify the worst aspects of your personality. I can absolutely acknowledge the role they may have played in Cait’s actions, but ultimately she is the ONLY person responsible for what she has done and blaming her actions on her addiction is a common manipulation tactic - take it from another addict who is currently working on accepting responsibility for her actions while under the influence.
I’m really proud of you for taking those steps of self-reflection and realizing your fuck-ups. I truly believe since you looked yourself in the mirror and forced yourself to acknowledge anything awful you’ve done, that you’ll be able to overcome your addiction. I believe in you!
Sites should implement a feature to make it so people can't leave reviews on unreleased books or movies
I think the funniest thing about this whole situation is just how EASY it would have been for her to get away with this if she'd just given it a LITTLE bit of forethought.
Reviewing every single other book negative except for her own, *before* they'd even been released was stupid enough.
But she could have technically saved herself if she'd just made a fake discord account and messaged herself for the Lily situation. No photoshop required!!
Same. If she were smart, she'd have those accounts five star the book of an author she hates, not her own. You're supposed to then one star your own too so you can play victim if it ever got out. Like damn girl, Regina George taught us how to do this properly in the Bush era. How are you this stupid???
As an author active in the twitter writing community, watching this whole thing go down in real time was insane.
I hate review bombing SO much, we see this behaviour in court cases too (with many expert witnesses getting their businesses negatively reviewed by random internet trolls).
The fact that in this case the assailant also targeted BIPOC is fkn disgusting. She is the find out stage of FAAFO.
Being a writer/sculptor/comic book artist(& all around art trade rat myseld)...it really hurts my heart to see this recent trend of so many snake like people- artists- targeting other artists and trying to bring them down. This is not how artists used to act. Art was once a community of ppl who cheered and helped one another at least it was when I was younger. This is embarrassing for our community.
seeing Xiran and Swoop in one video… my ultimate crumbs!! i love these two so much
As someone who was a functioning alcoholic just a year ago, I can confirm that some people, while being under the influence of alcohol can be very calculating and manipulate the shit out of all situations. With that being said. You have to feel that on the inside to be able to do anything calculating. You have to feel angry, jealous, and hatred. I admit that when I was drunk and drinking all the time, I was nothing but anger and depression and it came out the most when I drank. I would do things, and then when I was sober when I didn't remember, I lied, and I spun so many webs I choked myself from the nuse of lies I tangled myself in. If she is serious about getting clean, that's great, but she has gone down a hateful path, that no one is going to forget anytime soon, and she will have to live a sober life with that knowledge.
Congratulations on your sobriety!♥️
I'm new to this scandal, so I don't know if it's been mentioned elsewhere, but having worked in publishing for a bit, I had to mention that advance copies could allow for people to read books before they are officially released. That doesn't seem to be the case in this situation, but it does seem worth mentioning for people who might be wondering why books that haven't been released yet are even allowed to be reviewed on the site.
Someone did a video where they read it and it's not good. They recieved an ARC
reads with rachel goes in more depth about this case. I noticed the ARC thing here too. I think someone said that these authors were keeping track of their ARCs like maybe there weren't that many out there so unfamiliar names would have been suspicious.
i have been watching you for sometime now and i have to say i absolutely fucking love you dude! Not only are you really good in getting the solid facts but, your personality is the perfect balance between hilarious and sassy and i LIVE for it! Plus you're extremely gorgeous! Thank you for being a real person and calling shit out for what it is and being a good role model to the younger generations. I seriously wish you nothing but happiness and i hope your platform reaches a lot more people because you totally deserve it. Anyways nuff said sorry for the blurb but, i just had to say something. Love you!
I am not sure how I fell into your content on your main channel, but I have totally immersed myself into your content on both channels. Very captivating and entertaining...great job on all of it!
(Swoop! Your HAIR IS SO FABULOUS I love the lavender!!!!!) as someone who uses goodreads RELIGIOUSLY, this situation was so horrific and embarrassing. There’s no excuse for racism. Period. (Also, will ABSOLUTELY be reading all of the books mentioned that were slandered, they genuinely all sound fascinating!)
I’m so happy you covered this! This was huge on Booktok and the CZcams book community. Glad Cait is facing consequences for everything. She had so many good things lined up for her with this book release and threw it all away because she needed more smh
Pausing to write down each of the books bombed. Thanks for covering this one, Swoop!
swoop, were gonna need a closet tour at some point. your fits are always to DIE FOR, you look so gorgeous!!! amazing video today :)
Thanks for shouting out the BIPOC authors involved in this! I added all but one of their books to my "to read" list!
Wow. I have a personality disorder, as well as a laundry list of other mental health issues. Honestly I think because of them it makes me more empathetic towards people. Racism is more of a... "I'm an asshole" thing.
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Yes same, and I 100000% agree!
Wow, who knew the literary world was full of such scandals and racism. Thank you for covering this so thoroughly Swoop! I love your content as a new viewer on YT.