Feminist Hijabi DEBATE | Should Muslim Women Go to College?
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I have a feeling she is going to misrepresent my positions on these issues. So here are my actual views, just in case she tries that:
Education: muslimskeptic.com/2021/04/20/...
Women Attending Mosques: muslimskeptic.com/2018/02/21/...
Women Working: muslimskeptic.com/2021/08/07/...
0:00 - Introduction
0:31 - Format of the Debate
1:47 - Sorting out Audio
7:53 - Opening statement from Feminist
19:36 - Opening statement from Daniel
32:46 - 5 minute Response from Feminist
38:32 - 5 minute Response from Daniel
44:27 - Feminist Confused: Says Daniel only uses US statistics
46:14 - Feminist Objects to "Fitnah" Argument Daniel Didn't Make
49:46 - There is no obligation for Muslim Women to go to Universities
53:17 - No Gender Equal Access to Education in the Sunnah
54:45 - Proof that women were significant presence in madrasas historically?
55:45 - Feminist Nonsense
1:00:21 - Daniel's Responds to Feminist's Blatant Slander
1:01:28 - Daniel Demolishes the Shaykhah Hoax
1:03:39 - Challenges for Women Studying Islam in Premodern times
1:04:55 - Segregation of Sexes in Islam
1:06:41 - Feminist Implies that Major Male Ulama Were Fame-seekers
1:08:11 - Engineer shows ignorance of basic statistics
1:11:03 - Feminist response to Lower Marriage Value Women
1:14:04 - Daniel's response to Feminist's rambling
1:16:10 - Daniel explains basic fiqh regarding marriage suitability
1:20:41 - Feminist shows more ignorance of statistics
1:23:03 - Feminist makes more dumb statements
1:27:02 - Daniel slams Feminist as evil slanderer
1:27:45 - Daniel gives Feminist free stats lesson
1:29:17 - Daniel challenges Feminist to give Arabic for "empowerment" and "liberation"
1:32:04 - Feminist drops out [rage quit?]
1:33:16 - Daniel explains the problems with Feminism
1:39:24 - Feminist rejoins
1:40:27 - Feminist has studied Daniel for a year
1:41:27 - More Feminist Gish galloping
1:43:33 - Daniel EXPOSED as R*pe Apologist
1:48:23 - Daniel clowns on the clown
1:49:57 - Feminist looks like fool, doesn't know definition of patriarchy
1:56:31 - More desperate mudslinging
1:57:18 - Feminist Closing Remarks
2:03:45 - CATS
2:08:09 - Feminist Rage Quits
2:08:30 - Daniel analyzes the discussion
2:10:10 - But we need female Muslim doctors!
2:15:03 - The Joke of Muslim Feminism
2:16:26 - Daniel's Closing Remarks and Dua
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This is why you don't a debate a Jahil nobody, no manners, slander, false accusations, projecting insecurities, deflecting and pivoting instead of answering questions.
@@nicoletteferragamo Jazak Allahu khayr sister, this is even if it's a sister (but she seems to follow some hard sufi or shia bida) but she needed a brotherly lesson, to follow sunna, but she should of been humble.
From my take, I don't think she's a feminist. And education is not unlawful.
Shaykh Al-Albaani رحمه الله said:
فلا ينبغي للآباء أن يحرموا بناتهم من تعلمها ؛ شريطة العناية بتربيتهن على الأخلاق الإسلامية ، كما هو الواجب عليهم بالنسبة لأولادهم الذكور أيضاً ؛ فلا فرق في هذا بين الذكور والإناث
"...It is not appropriate for parents to deprive their daughters of education, on condition that they take care to raise them with Islamic attitudes, as is obligatory upon them with regard to their sons also. There is no differentiation in this regard between males and females.
والأصل في ذلك أن كل ما يجب للذكور وجب للإناث ، وما يجوز لهم جاز لهن ، ولا فرق ؛ كما يشير إلى ذلك قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم
The basic principle in this regard is that everything that is required with regard to males is also required with regard to females, and what is permissible for males is permissible for females, with no differentiation, as is indicated by the words of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم:
إنما النساء شقائق الرجال
“Women are the counterparts of men.” [ad-Daarimi and others].
فلا يجوز التفريق إلا بنص يدل عليه
So it is not permissible to differentiate except on the basis of a text to that effect."
[Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth as-Saheehah (1/347)]
Rather what this is about is living as a minority among non-Muslims and the dangers of their institutions.
1. That's why we need a Sunni Muslim western online simulation and training government website and app.
2. The Mosques and communities are going to be listed, and everyone is linked to his/her community. And you'll have an online citizenship.
Only Mosques and communities upon Tawhid and are Sunni and from the Ahlul Qibla.
3. All the knowledge, both Islamic and worldly knowledge are listed.
This sister is a mechanical engineer, and she could candidate for the mechanical engineer ministry position if she passes the exams required for it, and her peers in that field appoint her through the Ahlul Halli wal-'Aqd system.
4. The Ahlul Halli wal-'Aqd system is going to be in place. No democracy and mob rule voting.
The rulership is for the men, but any other ministry post of knowledge, then our sisters could take part in it. So that people are not only interested in politics and governance.
Now, I'm just giving an example of how it might work.
I live in Sweden by the way. But let's take the New York Muslims as an example. And let's divide their state into 20 districts. And every district has 20 member Mosques.
1. The ministry of education in Islamic sciences and worldly knowledge will put up the exams for being a candidate. No one will get any position of authority by way of fame, or TV ads, or cronyism, nepotism or how wealthy he is. The criterias to candidate will be knowledge, integrity and Dhabt (accuracy), and being a practicing Muslim who has the appearance of the Sunnah upon him. And everyone has the chance for that. And it is just.
2. So let's say 20 men passed the exams. That's where every Mukallif both male and female have appointing rights, to appoint 6 out of those 20 as the Ahlul Halli of their Mosque.
3. And that's where it ends for the masses.
4. Those 6 will appoint 1 as the Ameer and the Ameer picks 1 from those 6 as his deputy.
5. Once all the Mosques in district 1 did that, you'll have the first Majlis and Shura assembly. It will consists of all the 20 leaders from all the other Mosques in district 1.
6. So you have an assembly of 20, an Ahlul Halli of 6, and 1 Ameer and his deputy.
7. Once all the districts have done that, then the leaders therein will sit in the New York state Majlis and Shura.
8. Then when the 50 states have done the same process, their national Ameer will go to the highest assembly.
9. And the highest level is the international Majlis and Shura, where all the Sunni Muslim leaders of the west sit.
And the same process will be done with all the knowledge, both Islamic and worldly. Exams, 'Adalah, Dhabt, being a practicing Muslim and upon the Sunnah.
This we will become a nation of knowledge. The incentive will always be knowledge.
So if Safiyyah here was appointed as the minister of mechanical engineering, then the Ameer could appoint her as part of his cabinet as he will pick the cabinet from where he sees fit. If not the Ameer, then the national, or state, or district level of Ameers and can pick her as part of their cabinets.
This way all the knowledge will be listed, and all the communities will know one another, and what is missing in profession and knowledge will be known, who is homeless, in need of marriage, legal help etc and money will be more organized and the institutions where our sisters could safely seek education could emerge, or a security team that provided an an entourage for them at the institutions of the non-Muslims so that debates like these do not need to even appear, nor do our noble sisters need to worry about such trials ever existing, and also a ministry of marriage that facilitates it.
The issue is about organizing and managing.
DH I have asked MDD many times to arrange a debate between me and you but you have never answered. I'd like to prove that you have zero knowledge of Islam. I am writing you from a different channel because CZcams censur my comments. My channel is The Perfect Dawah. Please contact me and arrange a debate. All extremists are afraid of me including Apostate Prophet. I hope you are not.
Feminism is domestic plan of colonists after tech removed profits switched farm to inflating debt slavery of central banks from colored to all ppl, & stop male leaders & family w/ Zeana sins & drugs & creating hierarchy with a yeahood lobby class over both!! ext. left is marxist. ext. right is for bigotry! Islam is middle path!
Watch : *Aaron Russo on feminism*
Also read about the bigotry of early feminist to attack minority families, its always the same.
They survive with tyrant money and censorship as they aren't logical!
Instead of studying islam for a year, she decided to study this man for a year and still lost.
PHD in Daniel Studies, as one commenter had summed up beautifully
@@altheaequatorin1179 correction*
Chadniel studies
🤣🤣🤣
@D////// She failed with distinction. I haven't seen any cat in my career bringing that level of embarrassment to our community.
She studied him for a year doesn't mean she didn't study islam.
Umm Salama(ra): Why are women not mentioned in Quran like men are?
Daniel fanbois be like: ah you feminist 😡, your speech says everything.
I’m born and living in UAE and the fact that she says people here are illiterate is outrageous 🤣🤦🏻♂️ I can’t believe she’s lying and actually accusing you with all these bad labels just in order to prove her point! May Allah guide her
Are you a local Emirati or an expat
@@clashofchampsoo2697 probably a local Emirati since his channel is in Arabic
No brothers , I’m originally syrian but I’m born in UAE
I studied you Daniel for one year 😆 imagine all the family time she had to sacrifice. That's if feminist have families 😂 even after 1 year of study she still lost miserably 😂😂😂
@@islamicreminders3090
Define Patriarchy
- Daniel Haqiqatjou
Legends say, Sabreen - still finding a definition of Patriarchy thar suits her agenda lol.
Cat food
- legend Daniel.
💥 🔥 🔥
As soon as she said I’m not married, everything made sense.
this stigmatization of non-marriage is what makes people depressed and suicidal in our society. stoop it
@@lionelmessi4953 no
@@boygenius538_8 advocating for marriage =/= this person is bad because they're not married.
Many married people are vile and hold abhorrent views. It has nothing to do with marriage. @Ukash Jeilani is just discriminating and bullying people.
What he's even insinuating between the lines is that a man will check her and not let her share her views this freely.
He's not a good person, and stigmatization of non-married people is definitely not good whether you're a huge marriage advocate or lenient. Either way @Ukash Jeilani does not look good here.
@@lionelmessi4953 women want marriage and children that's just simpel biology.
So no stop being a simp.
yes
when I want my daughter to get married and she says no i'll make her watch this video and tell her you will end up like her
I now now 53 and wish that I never chased career. I wish I married when time was right. I am going to get my daughter married sooner rather then later and if she wants to study after marriage then she can
😂
You can get her married at 9 to a 54 years old
@@kimiko6732 I'd marry a 54 year old you don't have to think about our daughters.
@@jojos9788
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
She didn't sound like she wanted a healthy discussion, she was here for point scoring, typical unbearable feminist
I feel sorry for her husband. She is not too bright, very annoying, gets too emotional and nonsense keeps coming out of her mouth all the time. Probably can't cook and clean. She hasn't addressed any of points Daniel made. She just proved that feminism is stupid 🤦🏻♂️
@@MCXM111 i feel sorry for muslim women can't experience beaches amusement parks water parks prob don't even know what an orgasm is seeing they can't say no to their men's needs sounds more like a slave than a queen
Holding a discussion with Muslims about Islam is flawed in the first place since Muslims will always defend their religious beliefs no matter if the facts are in their favor or not since they only believe what is written in their holy book.
“ When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood is by its nature bound to perish. ” ( Al- Qur' ān, 17: 81 )
The Sun sets in a pool of murky water-Quran 18:86, truth or falsehood.
@@mimmiekgaditse3089 Thats from the perspective of Dhul Qarnain who conquered from east to west.
@@mimmiekgaditse3089 God banging his mom/sister, begging on the cross to god for help and than beeing killed by pagans, truth or falsehood?
@Hidetaka Miyazaki I’ve heard plenty Muslims try to explain this embarrassment to no avail. What’s your preferred attempt at a refutation? Give it your best shot. Allah says it’s your duty to educate this poor infidel.
@@statixlaw5675 so from that perspective the sun not only travels but it sets on the Earth near a people in some water?
Also what does Alexander the great have to do with Islam?
Bismillah, as a Muslim woman myself, I am shocked with this woman.
Im more shocked when denial said he don't believe in Women's education.
@@zariftahmid9854 That's rubbish 🗑
@@zenebusman8575 I don’t think You're a women. Btw education is needed bc without education a women is lost in this world. She can't work, she can't do nothing by her self. Forget about a career. Even for being a house wife women need education.. As a Astrophysicist i don’t want my wife to be a con women who can't even decides for her self. A educated man don’t want to marry a brick wall. I need a women who is computable with my standards.
without education you can't even communicate with people.
As a women You're giving up ur Islamic rights of education.
It is halal for women to be educated
@@randomhuman2595 Nothing wrong with women being educated. That women is an embarrassment 😳
In my 20’s I would have disagreed with Daniel 100%, but now that I’m older , he is right! University is not education it’s indoctrination
Well you’re wrong , that’s a problem with the institution but education in and of itself is not a problem. Nothing good about being illiterate or uninformed about the natural sciences /or history.
@@Lastofusfan777 you should be educated yes but lets not pretend women are getting phd's in science or law or engineering to raise children, I myself don't really use any of that in my day to day life and wish I had learnt something that would actually benefit me , the universities right now are useless, we need a better system to get education
@@NormalPersonIhope it’s good to be well rounded, not every woman needs a phd in chemistry I get that but people in general not just women, men and women need to be educated. I say this because I am in Egypt now and some men and women don’t even know how to read and write and they’re so sad about this. But literally Harvard graduates are talking about yeah education is bs blah blah blah. They just haven’t seen the other side. We shouldn’t take a black or white opinion on the matter, balance & moderation is important.
@@Lastofusfan777 I agree with you
It is indoctrination, yet you recognise any Muslim brother with such a degree, and then on the back of it, you now agree with bro. Daniel, who apparently believes that women shouldn't be educated based on his definition of "education" and what it MAY lead to.
That lady doesnt even know what debate is. Throughout the video she was offtopic, and just read the slides that she brought up like a boring teacher in college. It was too much cringe too watch actually, and I pray to Allah to give patience and sabr for the Daniel bro and his family. Keep up brother. Big respect from Uzbekistan
Wow I am happy that people from Uzbekistan listen brother Daniel. I am also Uzbek)
@@qodirbekxusanov7119 Assalomu aleykum, bormisiz aka ))
@@__sarik Va alaykum salom. Rahmat. Siz Uzb ni qaysi viloyatidansiz? Men andijonlikman
@@qodirbekxusanov7119 Uzbekistan was where Imam Buhkari RA was born (Bukhara). A land of rich scholarly tradition 🙂
Must watch for every sister and parent.
As a sister, What I learned from this debate, as a summary, is that we sisters have to firstly stick to our priorities, our roles in Islam (I.e. family obligations). Everything else (talents, studies) comes secondary. By all means, pursue education (Islamic and non-Islamic) or maybe even career, if need be, as long as it doesn’t override our true priorities (raising families in a strong, stable Islamic background) and we don’t have to be in a constant mixed environment with the non-mahrams. As Brother Daniel said, we don’t have to go down the same lizard hole as the west to pursue an education, there are other possible means to achieve it.
I hope I understood it, or at least some of it well. The feminist/Islamic clash can be very confusing. I just recognize my priorities, and imma stick to them, in sha Allah.
Ameen
@Wiznsjs Didnejs She is already married.
Mashaallah, sister. May Allah bless you!
Jazaki Allah my syster, wonderful comment. Exactly what I understood from this debate as well. Jazaki Allah syster! May He keep us steadfast 🙏
Yes!!
this woman will either never get married or she'll get married to a poor innocent guy and get divorced very quickly.
My wife is a Spanish/Mexican national. She studied her higher studies in Canada. All her life she was pushed to do more by her secular family. She finally found Islam and so happily converted. She and I work from home. She is helping me create Islamic content in Spanish Language. She is so happy that she is not part of the rat race for this dunya anymore. Being a Pakistani living in the west, I can quote hundreds of such women who are refusing to the western model of "education". This women in the debate has absolutely no idea what she is talking about.
May Allah bless you and your family and reward you both with jannah for spreading Islam.
Mashaallah
Mashaalla
Brother,does ur wife have a younger sister?
I felt bad for her, not even because of Daniel mentally destroying her but because of what she's fallen into and what she's trying to defend.
She is a false *ape accuser.
I don't even see one comment defending her she was that embarrassing
@@aliah8330 Go and check her channel then and see if anyone agrees with her stance. Lol! Even Non-Muslims didn't came up to support her. It was that sorta embarrassing debate for her.
@@aliah8330 you made because islam was proved to be patriarchal to the core 🥺 ?
@@ummerfarooq5383 Poor Cat*
I'm a highly educated muslim woman and let me tell you this; WE HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. I remember after high school been sick and tired of school, and just wanting to take a break. But my mom basically told me that I would be a failure if I didn't go for higher education. Unfortunately I listened, and the irony is that it has taken me longer time than usual and I have yet not even finished. Also the job the degree leads to is not even something that I want to do (even though it pays well). I have in recent years realized that it's just unrealistic for women to have children, be career women and to be good wives to their husbands. At one point or another one has to compromise, and it's usually the family that is being neglected.
Another thing that I've noticed is that a lot of women (both muslim and non muslim) who have children and who are working, seem to always be stressed. These type of women would also constantly complain and tell others how lucky they are for not being married. Because think about it how fair is it really that women are the ones bearing and nursing children, and on top of that are expected to do the same work as men in the work place.They are suppose to just forget that they pushed out a whole baby a few + months ago and come back to work? Like how does that even make sense?? Not to mention being on your period as a woman every month and the pain and discomfort associated with that. Reality is women face many challenges that men doesn't in the work place. And for some weird reason we're not considering those things at all when women are being pushed to work. So what feminism has done is to make women miserable and stressed because they simply can't do it all.
My point with all this is that people shouldn't listen to all the nonsense about female empowerment. A lot of these feminists will probably end up miserable and bitter. Because the thing is men and women are built different, and that's what Islam takes into consideration unlike feminism. Hopefully more women realize this before it's too late. May Allah make it easy for us!
Edit: To some of the comments; I have never said that women can't have hobbies etc. In fact if you're a stay at home wife for example you probably going to have more flexible time compared to if you're working.
Moreover at the end of the day people can choose to do whatever they want to. If you feel like higher education is for you, then be my guest. I just wanted give my experiences as someone who has spent most of my twenties studying and working, and tell you just how stressful and depressing it really is (especially as a woman).
Like seriously people are stupid. My thought is that only one parent should work and the other should stay at home and take care of the kids but women are like "Noo we're oppressed!" Like ma'am, if you think this, then don't marry and start a family.
Ameen Sister
Truth comes out no matter how hard they try. What you said is what brother Daniel ment throughout his video but somehow empowerment peeps just fail to comprehend. It is just so hypocritical of families to push for higher education for sisters when they also want them to leave the job in the end and be good wives. I would want sisters to pursue basic education enough to teach or homeschool her child and to spend her important time learning the deen and gaining Islamic knowledge which would help herself in the hereafter.
May Allah سبحانه وتعالى protect us from hypocrites and May Allah سبحانه وتعالى give us all hidayat Ameen.
@@H.a.q.q Exactly it's very hypocritical. I also believe most women only need basic education, maybe up to high school . The focus should definitely be on learning about the deen and becoming good homemakers...
جزاك الله خير. thank you sister you have summarized the whole point.
Women are NOT being pushed to WORK! I've only had high school graduation. I haven't worked a day in my life. IM A STAY AT HOME WIFE. MARRY SOMEONE THAT CAN FINANCIALLY TAKE CARE OF YOU.
This is what happens when you think career is more important than being a caring mother.
Bottom line
It's definitely beneficial for the top 1%, more workers means less competition means lower wages means more profit 📈
Family
The amount of patience and politeness our brother had in this debate is really appreciable.
You mean rudeness did you ses how he humilitaed her ?
@@Mokingjay369 Dan is wrong on alot yet she had her own eviI turned and humiliate her... she spoke of what she didn't know, that's also wrong
I wish he was ruder
He’s garbage 🤢
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543i see you everywhere.... Even in farid responds videos
I just went to her channel to write a comment . There were many negative comments but as I finished she turned the comments off . So I’ll write it here .
Sister, this was not a debate. You do not come across as passionate about women’s education but more like obsessed with DH. Studying him for one year? Collecting his articles and bringing them up even though they have nothing to do with the debate? Finding old pictures / articles of him so that you can “humiliate” him ? This is creepy.
Lies and slander are not good debating tactics. No clear references. Going overtime, not sticking to the subject or the agreed format? Bringing up irrelevant nonsense, not answering questions, Accusing him , insulting him, interrupting him. It was too embarrassing. I did enjoy listening to Daniel but I could barely listen to you
Sorry sister but you really should apologise to DH for slandering him. He was gracious all the way through
Daniel did the right thing at the end to let her rattle on digging her own grave. Seriously.. as a woman I’m truly embarrassed.
Anything you say will be deflected if these women don't realise it's not a battle of genders but an honest dialogue to make them realise their role in islam
She probably didn't read this. You can post this comment on her last community post that she made before this debate. Hopefully she read it.
Can anyone please count the number of times she said the word "Daniel" or wrote it on her slides? Also include how many pictures of Daniel she has used in her slides, youtube content and facebook page? I'm not a psychologist but... everyone can draw their own conclusions. 😂
keep in mind she is single and making up things with Quran teaching multiverse, i mean liek what and listens to deviants like imran insane hossain
People like her in debate if they don't know what to say anymore, they will attack the person no matter what it is. It's disgusting.
I was actually a fan of Safiyyah for years now. This debate proved I was wrong all these years. Thanks for opening my eyes brother Daniel.
Sure we follow Quran and sunna not people
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal رحمه الله mentioned
“Do not uncritically follow me, nor Malik, nor Al-Thawri, nor Al-Awza’i. Rather, take from where they took.”
Source: Jāmiʻ Bayān al-ʻIlm wa Faḍlihi 1299
عن ابن عبد البر قال أحمد بن حنبل رحمه الله رَأْيُ الأَوْزَاعِيِّ وَرَأْيُ مَالِكٍ وَرَأْيُ سُفْيَانَ كُلُّهُ رَأَيٌ وَهُوَ عِنْدِي سَوَاءٌ وَإِنَّمَا الْحُجَّةُ فِي الآثَارِ
وفي رواية أخرى قال لَا تُقَلِّدْنِي وَلَا تُقَلِّدْ مَالِكًا وَلَا الثَّوْرِيَّ وَلَا الْأَوْزَاعِيَّ وَخُذْ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَخَذُوا
1299 جامع بيان العلم وفضله لابن عبد البر
@@abukenzah جزاك الله خيرا
and Allah who opened ur eyes
may Allah bless and guide you AsalamUAILAYKUM.
Man, watching all the disgusting remarks and personal attacks she made about Daniel made my blood boil, yet Daniel being calm and composed is truly praiseworthy. It's like she didn't come here for civil debate rather she had ill intent. She disregarded all the factual data presented by Daniel, while she showed nothing but whinging and attacking Daniel. The fact that she is a Muslim woman made this really sad. What our sisters are becoming! Thank you Denial for your great work. I'm a new subscriber and really loved what you do. I have binged watched all of your videos. It really changed my perspective on many things and Inshallah will make me a better Muslim. May Allah bless you and your family. May Allah guide this sister to the right path.
That's what feminist do shame ,sign language ,insults and the need to be rite .
Forgive her for she know not what she does. She's just another victim of liberalization and modernity.
@@BoleDaPole brother these types of females do not deserve forgiveness, i mean Allah SWT is Rehman and Raheem but us as humans especially Muslims should not tolerate this kind of disgusting approach and behaviour which is creating a false image of how educated Muslim women engage in a debate. Forgiveness and acceptance has caused the situation to be worsened rather than understanding that if someone is trying to forgive you, the person should be grateful towards the forgiver, but instead we get these so called muslimahs like this woman here who are literally a walking definition of what ungratefulness is. May Allah SWT guide everyone who deserves to be guided.
She's a faminist but don't want to accept that
The poor family of this sister... May Allah guard us men and children from argumentative, manipulative and shaming women like this one. Ameen
Ameen bro
This is the type of women who would be a dictator type in mgmt, but highly disrespectful. Shes a extreamist feminist. I cant see many men marrying someone like her.
Ameen that's what feminist do ,insults,shame,sign language ,and the need to be rite ,,typical evry sister who where's jilbab,hijab,is not actually following the woman of first 3 generations of Muslims wa muslimat.
It's really hard to take someone who puts memes and crying emojis in a presentation seriously.
I tried to be fair and take Safias points seriously but she was very unhinged and threw way too many strawmans. Her refusing to even define patriarchy is the straw that broke the camels back in terms of her credibility.
timestamp where she said that.
i don't have patience for her right now.
@@ibnahmad3149 😀😀 same here. she was unbearable for me. crap coming from islamophobes and illiterate non muslims is sickening, but it coming from illiterate muslims is just another level!
@@aliah8330 and no.
@@aliah8330 well not during a debate.
@@aliah8330 he didnt do the same thing except at the last part where he showed some google pics to her after accusing Daniel for having ties with 1s1s and saying Daniel have a 0 knowledge about Islam. Daniel tried to debate about the topic of debate but that girl was only focused on the career of Daniel and brought 0 sentence about topic.
ive regret goin to uni and waste 5 yrs of my life studying for nothing basically.. as i am now a fulltime mother, submissive wife and trying to be the best i can for my family.. if i can turn back the time,i would have studied islam instead and not care about getting a diploma..but growing up and raised by my chinese family is impossible..i can earn good money if i wanted to,but ive chose to be a wife,a mother and to stay at home than chasing dunya..for the best place for women is inside her home and not being seen by men ..quran and sunnah is there to protect women,a guide to have a successful life fid dunya wal akhira and not to harm us .i dont know how can people reject this and ignore there roles in islam..i dont know why would they want to chase this dunya which is temporary and offering them nothing but hellfire.. may Allah swt guide us all and make us among His righteous slaves ameen..
How much education is enough for women. Should they study till 12th class only (high school only )
Ameen. Well said, sister!
@@heythere9554 at any point in which it is necessary
@@heythere9554 If you weren't listening Daniel was against the entire western education system. Diploma, Phd falls under this category. If you can implement an Islamic education system, women can have their education as long as they like, because that system itself would prioritize family over one's own wants. It's the kind of education system that doesn't exist, thanks to secularization of the Muslim society.
nothing compares being a good house wife and a mother than having a degree or career..serving your family and attending to there needs, for me that is a true pleasure and happiness ..as i know my purpose and know my roles..my husband for me is either my jannah or jahannam and i acknowledge his authority over me,i wouldnt dare disobey him unless he would ask something that is not permissible but Alhamdulillah as Allah swt have bless me with someone who is practicing his deen and wants nothing but good for me and my deen..
This man Daniel is such an inspiration, every single word of his in this video made me almost cry out of happiness because this is the type of person we need in our society,such an amazing individual may Allah grant him the highest rank in jannah.ameen
ameen.Allohumma barik
I'm a muslim women in my final year studying Architectural Engineering. I was pressured by my family and society to go into higher education without really grasping the reality of the journey ahead. The system of higher education is designed for you to feel constantly stressed while simultaneously not learning much at all. It was only by my third year that I actually started to learn any valuable engineered skills, and by that time, I had already wasted so much of my time and energy learning abstract ideas that I could never really utilize in my day to day life. Most women (muslim and non muslim) in this major complain about the work load and struggle more in comparison to our male colleagues, all while not having to raise a family. This is because it goes against our nature of working/thinking like a man for long periods. The higher education model, especially in the field of engineering, does not benefit women in the long run. It does not prepare her for raising children, managing a house, cooking meals, etc. These are skills that are NEEDED to raise the next generation of healthy Muslims. But when that is lacking, and all you have is a degree in a field that is designed to make a women feel constantly exhausted, then you know that it's a failed system.
Living stressed while exposed to men at that age opens doors 🚪 of Zina and all kinds of evil
May Allah make it easy for you ❤
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This is one of the best debates I’ve ever seen. Daniel totally won, but I disagree with the way some people in the comments were insulting her, because at the end of the day she’s a Muslim sister.
If she doesn't believe in Miraj she isn't a Muslim anymore.
@@juxtapositionMS she doesn’t believe in it?
@@ummerfarooq5383 Change your name to Om Frog
@@Jorjina.hayatt Daniel encourages for feminists to be insulted.
@@juxtapositionMS Does she reject the Mi'raj entirely or does she have a different view of it? Like, does she think it was a vision or a dream or something?
Her behaviour during an online debate is disturbingly childish.
@Cutless Fury I commented before watching all of the debate. She is actually much worse than I characterised her here. Stupid and dangerous.
Both my parents gave us right to go to college and university and become educated and get a degree. I'm glad they did. I worked as a psychiatrist for children and adolescents and than female ward. I saw many Muslim patients and I felt like I was making a difference, not just working to earn money. I wasn't married. It was fulfilling for me. However after I married, especially once I had my first child, they became my priority. Motherhood was first. Mh husband has the financial responsibility and I am homemaker. Do I miss work? Sometimes yes as I want to help people, I enjoyed my job. There many people saying women never enjoy work but I did. But I know my priorities. Kids and husband come first. Once kids are grown in sha Allah I would like to go back to my field of speciality,if my husband allows. I remember once meeting a Muslim patient ans she telling me how glad she was to meet another muslim doctor as she felt more comfortable talking to me. Nothing wrong with getting education and using it with good intentions. Just don't let it interfere with primary responsibilities.
Well said❤
Good for you
The problem is that they sacrifice even their beliefs for the sake of so called higher education. They ignore their lord’s order, their life’s priority and easily get distracted from their main responsibilities just to be called an independent and educated woman.
But daniel is trying to lock woman inside houses and cover them with black veil in order to satisfy his ego not because of religion . Women back in the prophet's Era were working !! So why not now !!
@@Mokingjay369😮 really?
I'm 23 and not married yet because I had to finance my home and now I've left my job and Alhamdulillah we have an alternate source of income. Had to quit because my mom is seriously unwell and requires close attention. In no way would I ever promote women to feel 'empowered' to work. The corporate stress is something even men find difficult to handle. I know how depressing it is and especially in my last days at work I felt this deep suffocation that only ended when I left. Alhamdulillah. I wanted to get married when I reach 18 but I'm unmarried for two reasons - couldn't find a practicing muslim man, 2ndly couldn't find anyone who will give me the liberty to look after my mom. Trust me, if I was married, my experiences at life would have been much easier to deal with. Men and women both need each other and have different gender roles. It doesn't take a GENIUS to understand that.
I’ll happily fully fund your lifestyle I.e sit home and look after your mum, at a high standard. Would you accept being a second wife?
@@Faithful2allah121don't you think it is not appropriate way to ask someone..
You're basically just describing an economics problem. The issue is, as you are experiencing, that you don't really have a choice about whether or not you need to provide for yourself in lieu of having someone who wants to provide for you. As such it must be possible for women (like men) to provide for themselves economically at least until it is feasible that they no longer need to.
If you have no means to generate any income then you are *forced* to sell yourself into a marriage with whoever is willing to save you from your economic crisis. That economic force of distress creates unfulfilling marriages which exist out of economic necessities rather than any genuine desire for each other.
Daniel can say it's all woke feminist post modernist marxist propaganda and throw in all the other buzz words he likes. But the fact of the matter is we all live under capitalism and if you want food in your stomach and a roof over your head you need to have the option to earn a living for yourself. If you want to give up your career once you've found a person you love because they want to provide for you, that's fine. But if women don't have the ability to earn an income while they find their husband then they are just forced into the first available option which Islam then prohibits them from leaving. That's a marriage based on economic necessity rather than anything genuine. That's the issue.
@@sockpastarock7082there is truth in this. These men want largely disempowered, economically suffocated women who will always be 'obedient' to them in return for 'financial security'. The remarkable thing is it appears, from the comments, that Muslim women WANT to be in that predicament.
*Timestamps:*
0:00 - Introduction
0:31 - Format of the Debate
1:47 - Sorting out Saffiyah's Audio
7:53 - Opening statement from Saffiyah
19:36 - Opening statement from Daniel
32:46 - 5 minute response from Saffiyah
38:32 - 5 minute response from Daniel
44:27 - Daniel using only America's statistics
46:14 - Saffiyah's Objections to Daniel's Fitnah Arguments
49:46 - Daniel's critique of Muslim Women needing to go Universities
53:17 - The example of Muhammad ﷺ teaching women
54:45 - History of women in Madarsas
55:45 - Saffiyah's response to Daniel's arguments
1:00:21 - Daniel's response to Saffiyah's allegations
1:01:28 - Lack of citations of large presence of Women in the Madarsas
1:03:39 - Challenges to Studying Islam in Pre-Modern times
1:04:55 - Segregation of Sexes in Islam
1:06:41 - Historical accounts of education of women, their Segregation & traveling
1:08:11 - Saffiyah's response to Daniel's Fertility argument
1:11:03 - Saffiyah's response to Lower Marriage Value Women
1:14:04 - Daniel's response to Saffiyah's arguments
1:16:10 - Daniel explains the Lower Marriage Value Women & Islamic view of suitable spouse
1:20:41 - Saffiyah's response to Daniel's arguments
1:23:03 - Saffiyah's critique of Daniel's Article
1:25:36 - Saffiyah's response to Daniel's argument of Gender Inclusive language
1:27:02 - Daniel's response to Saffiyah's accusations
1:27:45 - Daniel explains the Dropping Fertility & Marriage Rates among Muslim Women
1:29:17 - Daniel's response to Saffiyah's arguments
1:32:04 - Saffiyah drops out & Daniel addresses the chat
1:33:16 - Daniel explains the problems with Feminism & the beauty of Islamic model of life
1:39:24 - Saffiyah joins again & deciding the way forward of the debate
1:40:27 - Saffiyah studying about Daniel for one year
1:41:27 - Saffiyah's critique of Daniel's views on Feminism & his work
1:43:33 - Saffiyah claims that Daniel is a Men's Rights Activist & a R*pe Apologist
1:48:23 - Daniel's response to Saffiyah's accusations
1:49:57 - Saffiyah & Daniel discuss Patriarchy vs Qawwamah in Islam
1:56:31 - Saffiyah slanders Daniel
1:57:18 - Saffiyah's Closing Remarks
2:03:45 - Discussion on Saffiyah not being married & the problems of Late Marriages
2:08:09 - Saffiyah Rage quits the discussion
2:08:30 - Daniel scrutinizes the discussion & the Dangers of Feminism
2:10:10 - Daniel explains the managing of the need of Muslim Female Doctors in Islamic Societies
2:15:03 - The Cherry Picking & distorting of Islamic History by the Muslim Feminists
2:16:26 - Daniel's Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up
SubhanAllah ❤️🤍💖
Very Informative & Insightful Discussion 👍🏻👌🏻
May Allah ﷻ guide the Ummah 🤲🏻
Jazaakallah brother. Some bros and sis on Blogging Theology channel are wondering where you were. Hopefully you are good and well.
@@thairinkhudr4259
وَإِيَّاك أَخِي ❤️
I'm fine Alhumdulliah 😊👍🏻
Bless u ,, daniel should put this in the video info
God bless you, brother
Thanks
Daniel: What's the definition of Patriarchy?
Catwoman: Who cares?
Daniel: Then how could you define it wrong according to the Islamic context?
Catwoman: Let's not talk about that.
Goes on, Post memes.
*Sums up the debate*
You should marry her Beluga. Seems like a perfect match.
Shes made some stupid points and flopped in the debate,but don't bully and name call. It's not beffiting of a Muslim to act like this.
this comment wraps up this debate pretty well
That was the final straw she says Islam isn't in line with patriarchy but she can't even define what patriarchy is.
Exactly. It was pretty unnerving the lady kept ignoring the questions.
Facial expressions and body language shows her level of debate.
Almost everyone I know whom was looking for a Muslim wife in the U.S. didn’t succeed. The reason “feminism”
I personally went to Morocco and got married there. It’s literally unbelievable
I'm honestly angry. The endless slander towards Daniel, prior the debate, during the debate and after the debate is sickening. Wallahi, I'm sick. As a 20 year old female, I'm scared and I'm really really sad watching how Muslim women carry themselves these days. Why are we like this, even when provided with evidence especially from the Quran and Sunnah, we still shake our heads and nod to the western ideologies merely because it makes us feel empowered.
Edit : I'm not against women going to university btw, there's nothing wrong with women gaining knowledge. Daniel's arguments is full of what ifs, it's all built around assumptions. She will be educated and arrogant, standard of man gets raised, she will become a feminist which is so stupid. I'm from a third world coutries girls here couldn't give less crap about feminism. This whole argument shouldn't revolve around religion. It's just a personal preference/opinion. To me it's a waste of time because I know what I'm gonna do. It could be good for others.
Asalam Aleiki, agreed, Islam answers. Quran said on virgin Mary, ibn is not like bint - we got to be honest on strength, weakness & when overlap as individuals. Nisa have wombs & go to fight & flight mode early so imams are men, caring helpers are nisa. she mixed need to work w/ nawafil edu., is single & lied w/o proof as Islam teaches! She only proved many points against her, plus she is deviant in using non proven science on Quran when even modern science method was made by a Muslim imitating Islam's value's on verifying info. This shows her misguidance in part and inferiority complex, she needs to learn values!
May Allah guide us to follow Islam's methods of verifying and presenting info, manners and being a community!
1:55:55 The narration she quoted from Kanz Al-Ummal about Khawla bint Qays is not even authentic (Al-Waqidi is not a reliable narrator).
Genuine quesiton, does it make you feel empowered?
@@abdelhak943 she seems to quote deviant imams like nadawi etc.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 This makes me curious about her background. Is she an Arab? Where did she come from? Where did she study Islam?
The debate is over? I am still waiting for her citations she promised to give in the beginning...
Brother Daniel, I hope one day I will be able to have this much patience. Ma Sha Allah
MashaAllah brother Daniel, I hope she goes and reflects on this debate and better her understanding of our deen .
She attack him and his family and the other guy attack his sister
When Denials opponents face reality they turn it into personal attacks because the evidence doesn’t go in their favor
Typical crypto feminist : I am not a feminist but here is me embracing every view that is derived from feminism
They end up like feminists too. Unmarried, child-less and without a family.
Some of her views are worse than feminists. She is advocating for women to be in the kitchen, take care of the family, and also advance her career. She wants women to be like a robot.
@@ahmadqazi2648 like all women with husbands and children are happy. The problem is not in being single. Its depression and emptiness in heart. Some people choose to fill a void with career and some choose with family and kids. Either of them can be unhappy. I would say I enjoy being single much more now and feel better connection to God as when I was married and had to take care of my ex husband and his bs, never had enough time and money to travel, read books, visit retreats and holy places.
@@lalita9041 That might be applicable for those with abusive husbands. Not all men are abusive husbands. And suppose there is a petty lover's-quarrel between spouses (no violence ofcourse), than that is not abuse.
@@ahmadqazi2648 oh you clearly dont know how many times husbands stop their women from seeking higher spiritual life just because they are jealous.
Brother Daniel is right. It may not sound good for brainwashed modern people but it's a fact that empowerment off women is destroying families and communities. Hamdulillah for Islam and thanks to brother Daniel, for his courage and honesty in bringing true Islam cases.... proud of you my brother.....
I've been told this by my parents when I finished my school so I told my father I don't wanna study furthermore instead I want to learn about Islam and the quran and the hadith and fikh. But unfortunately they told me to go for higher studies like university and do a job like my other family members (especially girls). I remember how I was in constant distress while going to university and convincing myself that thing over the top I had to do alot beyond my mental capacity bcz I was never really happy and comfortable with the idea of being a career woman. Now the society be little us coz we choose to stay at home and choose to learn about our deen. I'm speaking my heart today we women shouldn't feel bad and belittle if we value our kids, husband and and family over our career and so cold higher education.
There are various studies that shows women are happier at home and taking care of kids but they realise it later in their life by that time it's late and they find harder to marry and there are issue for fertility as well. May Allah help all our sisters and i hope they do marry early and can carry on with their studies if possible.
@@themastercheif ameen. But somehow most men now doesn't prefer homely women as a life partner. I'm still single and maybe the root cause is I'm not making money. Moreover my friend told me she prefer to make her own money it's kinda disrespectful for her to ask her husband for daily expenses. I don't understand what's going on in the world.
@@faizaabbasi302 I think this problem is global right now. It's going both ways for a men and women, both are finding very hard to find an spouse. In my personal opinion, most of the men want traditional women, me my friends, cousins, the whole group i know prefers traditional women, but sometimes it takes time tbh. Keep praying tahajjud, have a faith and don't lose hope. It took me around 3 years to find a partner, but i got consistent with my prayer and dua.
@@themastercheif jazakallah.
I love this allahumma barik 🤍🤍 that u chose this way. I am in Uni (20 y.o) right know and I study education. Elemenary school. I do like the work..to be a teacher of children. But it does take quite long. And no one in this kafir country would hire a jilbabi. I also in sha Allah would like to get married in the nearer future. Well it depends on my future husband whether I will continue education or not. If he allows me then okey if not then not🤷🏻♀️
I'd love to teach children islamic studies then🥰. But as for my family..they really insist on me being a career woman hahaha and not even think of marriage .wallahi this is so sad...I can't imagine myself working all the time..i had part time job very often😅and literally went to work while CRYING bc I hate work. I do like spending money tho😬 anyways
She engaged in:
- personal ad-hominems
- straw-men
-false middle ground fallacy
-Texas-sharp shooter fallacy
and constant interruptions on top of being disrespectful throughout the "debate" 🙄🙄🙄
[ If you're gonna do an analysis of this please address her misapprehension of your stance toward this post-modernist or liberal notion of "informed consent" - which is most likely where her confusion lies - and also the Shari'ah's punishment of rape - stranger or maritial - and the Tafseel in there, because she made mockery out of this crime and merely used it as "name drop"-material against you for shock value. ]
Buddy where are these complicated terms derived from (are these taught in philosophy)???
@@Muwahid999 These are logical fallacies, meaning errors in reasoning that are committed qhen making an argument.
They have sometimes multiple names so you might be aware of them by a different name.
also gish galloping
She seems really arrogant
ما شا الله عليك أحسنت و الله أحسنت..
فيك حماسة يا بطل وفقكم الله.
I had a wife. She prioritized her work which wasn't paying that much bydaway than her family. Our son who was 1 year old by then, would cry the whole day for "mama" and she didn't care. When I asked her to quit for a couple of years until he joins school, it was the reason for our separation. So this lady, doesn't sure know what she's talking about.
@Felis Pardus i wish that was true, our kadhi just gazzetted shocking 300 divorces within a year in our town. These ladies are being misled and they are the only ones targetted by our education systems, tv programs and all publick talks.
now its a rare case in all over the world. may allah guide our sisters
A child need his or her mother, children need both parent, a mother need to be with her children, number one priority is our children, may Allah grant us the hiqma, undarstanding, what is pur priority is. Money will come and go, but a child, child hood never ever will come back, a child will not have the bond and love for thire parents.
@dbipagansebk you're still young bro
@@revivalist355 young? 100 years ago 17y/o were married
Instead of responding to questions. She: Let me share my PPT slides 😅
Lol exactly, even she was reading things that she wrote before, not debating.
In this debate there is a lesson for us all.
Not only has CZcams recorded all the insults and slanders made in this debate with 356000 witnesses but so have the Horourable Angels. The record is permanent. On the Day of Judgment we all have defend what we have said about others?
As a father who advocates for daughters to study and have knowledge on both spiritual and material. I come to realise the inherent problem with high level of education for women specifically to gain material wealth. The chasing of status can truly be addictive causing most women to delay marriage, as they find it harder to find someone who can be above them in the status game, due to this, family values and having children take the back seat. Motherhood is nowadays look at with disdain.
Assalamualaikum.
Just reading your comment makes me feel happy.
May Allah bless you brother.
Not only that but the journey into attaining high status is punishingly difficult and chips away at their femininity and mental health.
No matter what a man does for a living his status is still above a woman though , like women naturally chasing higher status men it’s too general , it’s a reality amongst bad women only
@@posintabook597 It’s not. Women always want men with a higher income/fame/status/strength etc
@@themercifulguard3971 not really that goes for whores only. Honourable women don’t care for fame and status . They are attracted by manners , heart and personality . Prophet ﷺ wasn’t famous nor he came from a high social status .While higher income is relatively true but that’s because they think about the safety and well being of potential children
she was just running in circles. and her arrogance was the only thing holding from accepting.
Of course it would, otherwise she'd have to live with the guilt of realising she had wasted her time.
When some attacks his opponent - not their ideas on a debate - know that they have lost the argument. The sister lives in mars😂. As a man, my job is to protect and provide for my family and I thank Allah for blessing me with a true Muslim wife who puts family first.
My advice to all single men out there, if you want a successful marriage and a strong Muslim family then look for a women that knows her deen and knows the importance of family. Thank you brother Daniel for reminding us the Sunnah.
I respect you for keeping composed facing such an intelectually challenged woman, the constant baseless personal attacks were disgusting I genuinely feel sorry for her and who ever she's about to marry
It’s such a shame the lady is not understanding the points Daniel is making. She is failing to see her inadequate responses.
Unfortunately she doesn’t have enough intelligence to carry the debate in an objective manner.
Because of the differencec in culture and language. She is an immigrant.
@@khanofcaledonia6413 when I heard her accent at first, I just knew she wouldn’t be able to understand. I’m not taking sides here and I’ve listened to about 40 min and I will maybe finish this later.. maybe
@@khanofcaledonia6413 she didnt look terrible because of language or culture. You're insulting other cultures and language speakers by saying this and giving her an excuse. It's clear. Her and her buddies prepared for a debate and it wasnt this one. She was hard to watch and a waste of time . She just came to read.
I'm having second hand embarrassment for this sister and her desperation
i came here fairly neutral on this topic (i like to think) but i realised just how indoctrinated i was. it seemed natural to me to think that women should have equal opportunity for education and how could anyone possibly think otherwise? brother Daniel after this debate i’ve realised and embraced the wisdom you have shown, and you have completely changed my view on this. may Allah reward you brother. i particularly liked your point about hypergamy by the way, it made complete sense.
😅😅😅
MashAllah brother
She's living prroof for all of Daniel's arguements.
💯!
Agree
Exactly what I thought.
Savage
I'm from Mauritania 🇲🇷
Even here marriages are done a lot later than it was done just a decade ago. Mainly because a lot of young men and women prioritize university to getting married.
So it's not just an American issue. As brother Daniel said the Muslim world imported the western educational model. Which came with issues that we and the next generations will have to deal with.
Same issue here in Pakistan.
***True love = the love of God!*** God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being Philippians 2:5-8
so that's the Western education system. what does that have to do with education in general. there can't be an Islamic education system that also encourages female education.
this is a dumb argument by Daniel.
@@axch2983 what is dumb is throwing words thinking they make sense in reality you’re just complaining and have no solution to anything, and I mean how can you don’t even understand the problem
Sadly many parents choose education over marriage for their daughters. I wanted to get married but my parents refused as they wanted me to pursue a career. Sadly getting married late had detrimental impact on my life
what detrimental impact did it have?
@@oma23j I’m not going to go into details about my marriage or my life. Thank you.
Unfortunately this also happened in my family
Start to pray Tahajjud for ur wish
InshaAllah Allah will make things better for u ...
@@aminahussain1770
You want sex.
That detrimental effect 😂😂
I didn't like the ending, but I confess to laughing, and the line was crossed from start to finish with the personal attacks and *especially* with the 9/11 comments. Completely inappropriate.
BTW, I like cats too, so if she has one no need to feel bad 😞
Islam answers. Quran said on virgin Mary, ibn is not like bint - we got to be honest on strength, weakness & when overlap as individuals. Nisa have wombs & go to fight & flight mode early so imams are men, caring helpers are nisa. she mixed need to work w/ nawafil edu., is single & lied w/o proof as Islam teaches! She only proved many points against her, plus she is deviant in using non proven science on Quran when even modern science method was made by a Muslim imitating Islam's value's on verifying info. This shows her misguidance in part and inferiority complex, she needs to learn values!
May Allah guide us to follow Islam's methods of verifying and presenting info, manners and being a community!
"I still have pregnancy dreams, waiting with vast joy for something that will never happen." - Germain Greer, one of the founding mothers of radical feminism.
It was on point when Daniel pulled out those pictures of cats. In the end those unmarried women pet cats and dogs. It's just a coping mechanism.
That's why it triggered her and rattled her she ran off 🤣🤣🤣
Interesting book. I should read that.
@@MilahanPhilosophersCorner it’s a sequel to her first book the female eunuch.
ما شا الله
What minute in the debate was that ?
“Fitna is everywhere” doesn’t mean you purposely expose yourself to more of it
This is why parents are responsible for raising children with real Islam not liberalism with Islamic flavor. She studied a man for a year after spending years studying Engineering and never thought of studying Islamic knowledge. Blame her parents not her. They have raised her to study papers not Islam.😢
Where did DH get his 'real' Islamic knowledge from? Harvard?
Daniel is not exactly saying muslim women shouldn't be educated, he is saying if you are going to do education, don't make it a priority in your life. Make marriage and being the homemaker a priority as a woman. If you're gonna do education, do it with the correct intentions in the most halal way possible. Make sure you are trying your best to do maybe an online course/degree from home (not going to the university where it's mixed genders) while the food is cooking in the oven and the children are napping and once the house is clean for your husband to come home from a busy, stressful job to a peaceful home instead of a messy house. Your intentions shouldn't be that you are doing it to get some sort of security or independence or female empowerment. It's the husband/male relatives/the imam of the community it's the men who are supposed to provide security, money etc for women and children and we have to embrace and love and submit to the fact that Allah has made it so that we are supposed to be dependent upon men. Gender roles are real and we need to be following them based on Quran and Sunnah.
This is the fucking problem with Islam I can't believe how endoctrinated people are it makes me so angry to keep women in the house barefoot and pregnant
Except this is a fantasy. In the event a woman's husband dies/or divorces, the male relatives/community very rarely if not ever, support the woman. She becomes a dependent on the state. What does she do then? She could marry again, but again, I'm sure you know men very rarely will marry a widow/divorcee in these times. And the scenario you've given of a woman studying from home ,looking after children, the home AND cooking all herself is absolutely preposterous. She's a human being,not a robot. Think objectively, not of your own desires. Furthermore it is up to a husband and wife how they choose to run their household, no one else has the right to judge or speculate how they do so. Woman are not meant to be cooped up inside a home, this is how you end up with repressed men leading to all sorts of fitna. Lastly, it's very rare now that a man can run a household, and provide financial for his wife AND children, hence why unfortunately a second salary is needed. Not sure where you're based but in the west , especially the UK cost of living has had a disastrous effect on everyone. Allah hu alam
If a woman is abused she can't leave the house if she doesn't have a job.
"men who are SUPPOSED to provide security, money etc for women and children". Thank goodness the women in my family all have jobs, otherwise they would never have been able to escape the domestic abuse by their men because they weren't doing what they were SUPPOSED to do, and cheating on their wives! Everyone should be able to earn some bread, you never know when times get tough. This privileged commentary on women not having to work only serves the elite class that doesn't have to worry if 1 person's income can pay for their child's diapers, food, and school fees. They should talk once they're homeless and hungry. I really don't want a person sitting in the safety of four walls and a ceiling in a crisp shirt to tell me what's good for me. And talking about marriage, it's from Allah, he destines people to get married at a certain time with a certain person. What should women do by then? Lean on their very old parents' meagre pensions when they should be helping them pay the bills? This is absurd.
@@konyvnyelv. exactly.
I totally agree with brother Daniel Haqiqatjou ... I concentrated on my education and career i got married at the age of 27 I'm now 47 and I'm divorced and childless.
Alhumdhulillah I will be getting remarried but my feminist traits got me to where I am ... When I hit 30 years old I realized how dangerous how harmful and how my western ideology has robbed me and I'm to blame too. May Allah SWT forgive me for my jahilliyah ....
SISTERS I BEG YOU MARRY YOUNG AND HAVE CHILDREN YOUNG ... AND OBEY YOUR HUSBAND
You can study at home too and be successful in running a homebase business once your children are older ... FEMINISM IS TOXIC IT'S DANGEROUS AND WAS PUT TOGETHER IN INSTITUTIONS RUN BY ROCKEFELLER AND TAVISTOCK AND CIA OPERATIVES CARRYING OUT EXPERIMENTS ON THE PUBLIC.
Sorry to hear that sister.
May Allah make things easy for you ameen
I'm glad that Allah guided you to this realization. ^^
May Allah bless your second marriage!
May Allah grant you rightous offspring!
Im sorry to hear that, but i would like to know what do you mean with feminist traits, can you please elaborate that?
@@muslimboyilyas775 Jazzakh Allah khairun brother may Allah SWT bless you abundantly Ameen Ya Rabb
I’d like to see this debate again with another guest who actually debates because it was hard to come a clear conclusion from this where she was debating points that were not even brought up and not responding to daniels points
For wanting to be equals she sure is bossy. Wants extra time. Stop the time because shes not prepared. 🙄 This woman spent her whole time gaslighting Daniel, sounding like an elementary school teacher reading children stories to the classroom.
To the Sister,
If you disagree with someone, you shouldn't want to attack their humanity, call them a Terrorist and attach them nonsense labels. ☹️
Muslim Feminists are the worst.
Muslim feminist is an oxymoron
@@ZubairAhmed-od2xv Just like Muslim Liberal 😂
He's not a terrorist but his views don't oppose terrorism either these are his view.
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Dear Muslims, beware of these "hijabi feminists" and don't get tricked by their looks.
She said she's not a feminist, feminism is a western concept because western women used to have no value in society. listen carefully
@@karfa92 This is same like grave worshippers saying they are not committing shirk. Shirk is Pagan concept, where pagan used to have no other way to worship. Think reasonably.
@@theintuitivetruth Not at all.
Besides, we know the five pillars are called pillars for a reason, and the word "شرك" shirk is not something that we can determine. In fact we are not even allowed to call someone who claims to be muslim "مشرك" . Placing ourselves in the level of الله isn’t advised in any islamic school of thought.
I’ve seen people among the comments and live chat calling the lady all disrespectful names, and since it’s the gentleman’s community, I thought that in any given moment he could actually tell the crowd to be more respectful of their Deen and stop shouting like a bunch of british drunk football supporters. لا حول ولا قوة الا بالله 😩
@@karfa92 she doesn't accept gender roles which Islam taught to women
@@karfa92
What on earth are you talking about ?!
Yes we can say someone is a مشرك based on the fact that Allah ﷻ has already determined what شرك is.
So if she doesn't want to be identified as a Feminist that's her own problem because she is in fact a feminist.
Furthermore, why didn't you mention the fact that she was slandering Daniel by saying he is affiliated with a terrorist organization ?
Isn't that bad ? She is indeed a shameless feminist wearing a piece of garment on her head with make up on lol.
That was like having teeth pulled. I made it half way. She presented nothing but personal attacks, essentially drowning out her own points, which were mild at best. This opened my eyes. Empowerment is questionable.
I wonder if brother Daniel would be happy letting his wife see a male gynecologist.
So funny.
Become gynaecologist but do find a good uni where no free mixing etc. If you can’t do your best to just study. Then marry have kids raise them well then go back to work but don’t ruin others lives by not marrying and having no kids and being a bitter rich career women interfering in others lives
This sister is the best example of what brother Daniel is trying to warn us from. May Allah guide us and guide her.
Exactly
Ameen
Bang on 🎯
Daniel completely obliterated her. Only if she had studied Islam than studying Daniel for a year, she would've learned more.
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she lies shows her arrogance and inferiority complex...
this is why leadership is for men, nisa are insecure... she mix up need to work w/ education too...
she even lies Quran teaches multiverse, why inferiority comp. arrogance! she shouldn't speak in public but learn values.
*urgent* - I bring to your attention to watch this video and bring attention to the masses esp. in subcontinent, deceived by a dajjal in the ummah :
view : *IMRAN HOSEIN: " UYGHURS ARE ZIONIST PROPAGANDA AND WARRIORS OF DAJJAL."*
view : *Imran Hosein claims Prophet did NOT explain Qur'an & HE will explain from Knowledge & Insight*
view : *The Creep Imran Hosein Rejects What Is Clear In The Qur’ān!*
(regarding Jesus)
view : *The Creepy Imran Hosein Supports Vladimir Putin In His Massacre of Syrian Muslims*
She didn't even study Daniel , I don't know what the heck she was doing anyway ,talked a lot about herself as well (which is meh.. ok whatever) but slandering someone you agreed to debate is just low
inspired me to read and learn more and more on daily basis, You are such an inspiration please keep motivating us.
She behaves exactly like my wife when is cornered in an arguement. overly offended, emotional, maniacal laughter. dead give away that they know its wrong but want to deeply defend their ego
Divorce your wife
well I feel sorry for your wife
@@billybro1403 gay
So she behaves like every biological female wow what a shock turns out they are not even close to being equal to men both spiritually,mentally and physically
Don't argue with women, they are not rational. Impose your views on them.
This girl was lost very badly, pls Daniel don't debate to these egoistic people, we want to learn something from debates, but she wasted our time, life will be better if she married on time, or atleast if not married then if she persued the right education then debate could be great
,May allah guide her and increase her IQ and her understanding to learn things with context
@@saifullahkhan1202 right brother
Wich man in his sane mind would want to marry a feminist, that's suicidal.
I don't want any man to have to deal with her lectures and screeching and emotional reactions
Brother they are feminists. They are bound to have ego on top of their head
@@adrack true
Through these debates Im learning more about islam..and a lot of the premisconceptions I had about it is starting to fade. Its incredibly interesting.
Note: I fell out of faith 10 years ago(methodist christian) and only just started trying to find my way back to the light.
May Allah guide you to the right path, Amin
i was born a Muslim(Muslim by name only, didn't know anything other than basics of Islam) and because i didn't know anything about my own religion i kinda became an athiest until i learned more about how life works, science big bang, universe fine tuning and everything pointing to God as being the only logical and rational answer and then i went to the Quran and was Mind blown over how insane it is, the knowledge and wisdom found in it in unlike anything i have ever encountered before not to mention All the scientific miracles and the facts found in it that no man could have know a hundred years ago let alone 1400 years ago, No human can write such a book and it doesn't have a single error, everything stated in the Quran that we can verify is true and it still blows my mind every time i read it, more over i found that everything that Islam prescribes just genuinely seemed like the best solution for problems in life. Basically Islam is the best way of living and it makes sense, everything in Islam makes sense, there is no Question that came to my mind, that Islam didn't give a rational and logical answer for.
Look into Islam, a total life changer my sister. Don’t let the media sway you away from it. Check out EFdawah, hamza’s den, one message foundation, dawah wise. All the questions you may have they’ll have answer waiting for you.
21 Unique fingerprints (75:4)
We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers.
(Your fingerprints are different from those of everyone else on Earth. The whorls and ridges on your fingertips are determined partly by your genetic makeup. No one on Earth has the same fingerprints)
22 ocean meets river ( 25:53 )
And it is Allah Who has let free the two seas (kinds of water, Ocean and River), one palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter, and Allah set a barrier and a complete partition between them.
ocean meets river (55:19)
He released the two seas, meeting [side by side].Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses.
@Go Transcrie thank you for this. It was indeed eye opening. My whole life I was taught Jesus is the son of god. I strayed away because some things didnt make sense, and because of searching for help in the church during crisis (I was suicidal) only to be shunned instead of helped. I dont blame god or jesus for that..I blame the pastor. I held a lot of anger in me towards the church and how corrupt it became...and even to this day refuse to go back.
Islam has definitely caught my interest though. Theres a pureness to it, warmth and love that I feel from it that feels genuine. I used to feel that with the church when I was a kid, but as I grew I saw how corrupt the whole system is there, and how people twisted the word of god to fit their narrative. It felt broken.
Im definitely going to look more into islam. How would one go about learning more?
Knowledge prevail over ignorance….Daniel thx for taking the time to help this sister. My Allah guides us all.
It's really shocking that she spent the whole one year to study brother Daniel and prepare herself for this debate but didn't bring any worthwhile or meaningful results. It's like she did almost half a PhD and the topic was "Brother Daniel". I am saying that because one of my friends completed his PhD in 2 years. Well, as always Brother Daniel proved to be logical and explained everything in an articulated manner. May Allah bless him and bestow higher rewards upon him in the world as well as in the hereafter.
1:53:00 - Sabreen made the WORSE case by quoting the ayah that talks about Men and Women being supporters to eachother. But wait, that's in terms of religion and good conducts. It doesn't talk about Women and their Husbands should be equalized in the leadership of the house. Cherry-picking led to mass delusion.
She cherry picks a handful of women and misrepresents them.
She's a depressed feminist who couldn't answer when Daniel asked, "who is the head of the household in Islam?"
Lol not even that but she mispronounced the verse as Al-Mu’minaati instead of Al-Mu’minaatu several times.. couldn’t sit through that. [Surah Tawbah: 71]
More idiotic claims;
She claimed for example the term Jihad does not mean Holy War according to Marriam Webster dictionary.
The term jihad means struggle. Are we to believe that struggling in Holy War isn't part of Jihad?
This is just one small example she is clueless about Islam, yet she has the audacity to criticise Daniel knowledge in Islam when she makes the most basic of errors.
She just doesn't wish to call Jihad part of Holy War. Because she's trying to lie to Muslims and non Muslims through "Taqiya".
The reason why they do this, because non Muslims have identify Islam and Jihad with Terrorism, and so rather then being brave to defend the faith and admit we believe to fight for God, in order to defend the faith, she rather throws Islam under the bus to wash down the term Jihad.
Let me tell you another manipulation, she claims that by 2050, Muslims will outnumber Christians in the fertility rate department. She tried to use this as a example that Muslim fertility rate is not falling, however what this lady is not telling you, according to the PEW research one of the reasons why Islam will out number Christianity it's not just about fertility rates being higher, but the fact that a good chunk of Christians will "leave the faith". Which is a contributor to Islam surpassing Christianity. This debunks her claim, that the reason why Muslims will outnumber Christians is because of Muslim fertility expanding or getting greater, which is clearly not the case.
Daniel debunked and destroyed her. I know this because I can tell from her physical reaction. You can tell she was uncomfortable, moving around not sitting still, rolling eyes, carrying on like a bully, ad-hominem attacks, she was like a hot kettle without a lid, telling Daniel ok are you finished are you finished, my turn. Like she had no interest to listen, cause she was so desperate to get to the memes and screen shots she collected, diverting and blatantly lying about the statistics, even after she was corrected, and when she was corrected, she was just moving on to a separate point.
She's clearly, dishonest. And I'm glad it's all on video.
@@twoplus7647
Where is your evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah that the man is the head of the household?
@@ummerfarooq5383
Why are men and women not equal?
They ARE equal in value, regardless of their different duties.
We should always make the distinction.
Otherwise, bring me evidence from the Qur'an and Sunnah that women and men are not of the same value, that one is better than the other just for being a male or a female.
"It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."
She started off with personal attacks in an intellectual debate. Kudos to brother Daniel for maintaining his frame all through.
Brother Daniel may Allah bless you, protect your family and wealth. Wallahi you have increased my Iman by making me understand Islamic values and being unapologetic about my deen and traditions! You’ve made me understand I have to learn about how to debate by understanding complex topics and how to steer the conversation and enlighten people politely. Only Allah is worthy of praise but Wallahi you are a diamond for the ummah. I’ve watched many debates whether it’s PBD episode when you embarrassed those 2 liberal secular Christian’s. Javad the Murtad agent that came with a reformed Islam studied at Harvard and many more. This debate made me realize where to put my prioritize as a young Muslim Somali man in his 20s that wants to get married soon and establish a healthy marriage and family. Allahuma Barik!
After listening to sister Safiyyah, its now our duty as Muslim Brothers, fathers ands Sons to firstly educate ourself in matters of Deen and educate the woman of our societies as ignorance is at its peak. This made my sad to listen to sister trying so hard to justify the western doctrine. Allah guide her and me to Truth
Ameen
SHE IS LIVING BREATHING PROOF OF WHAT BROTHER DANIEL IS WARNING US OF.......MAY ALLAH GUIDE HER....
I'm a Muslim woman. I am not a feminist. However, I 100% believe a woman should have an education/degree to fall back on. You don't know how many women I have personally witnessed get married and end up in an abusive situation with nothing to fall back on... not even their own family members to protect or help them. It's incredibly sad.
Im a Muslim woman as well as a wife and mother and I willing took a break from my career to focus on the formative and important first few years of my children. I don't regret it. I can always go back to working if I feel like it but my children deserves my undivided attention in their childhood.
So you stop working after your children born
Sister are you still raising your children what is the children age that you think it is the time to jump again in job.
I feel so bad for the woman. Blatantly calling someone a liar or a terrorist without proof is slander which is a great sin in Islam. How pathetic do you have to be to attack someone's family and make false public accusations that endanger their life? Tbh she was worse than snaily or apuss or tawhidi (which I thought was impossible). Daniel showed great patience when he let her ramble on for like 20 mins.
It's easy to put down someone but please be sincere and rational, she should substantiated her claims. It's a cheap shots
typical liberalized feminine crazy hypocrite type behaviour from these crazy ladies
and calling a sister a feminist is just as bad. i feel so bad for you. you should know that door swings both ways . if brother Daniel can accuse people then he should be ready for the same too.
@@MODEST500 2 wrong doesn't make a RIGHT. Islam teach us be sincere and rational not picking side.
@@MODEST500
Calling feminist a feminist. But calling Muslims terrorists is what western disbelievers do . West is the terrorist who bombed middle east and many Muslim countries but this munafiq feminists never condemned that
The only way to get through this debate is to continuously recite "La Hawla wa la Quwwata Illa Billah". The lady is completely outrageous.
Allahamdullilah brother 👍👍 classic arguments.. truth always prevails 🎉🎉🎉
Man this debate is truly a gem 😂
May Allah reward you aljannah for your patience brother, and may Allah guide her to the right path
Me and my wife watched the debate , literally we r crying because we became the victim of this female careerism , being busy with completing degrees we married late now we r running from one hospital to another for conception....
Very sad, I watched too with wife she was laughing but then it turned very sad because this is so bad for Islam, these women are not innocent they want to change Islam, they want to push their own interpretation and distorted corrupted view, may Allah guide her I guess it's all I can say but these women are not unaware of what they are doing, they are looking to make women over men
@@botbeamer she follows people like Hamza Yusuf and NAK and Imran Hosein as her Sheikhs. This is where the confusion stems from I guess. They are trying to mix and match Western ideas with Islam when Islam is self sufficient if we focus in Aqeedah first. She tries to be consistent I believe which is impossible with her beliefs, but probably she has not noticed that yet or doesn’t want to see it
This lady might as well sit with Linda Sarsor!!! Let's, "REFORM ISLAM"
Sorry to hear that my brother, may Allah swt ease your burdens, if not now, then in the hereafter.
I was crying too, but from laughter because Daniel is so funny towards the end.
May Allah make it easy
Ladies, if you talk like Safiyya, most men automatically think "not marriage material".
True story
You cant be more precise and perfect
Even her tone is pure arrogance
Good. Thats what I want.
@@lalita9041 When you're in your 40s, you'll regret it and will remember this comment.
The patience that is Daniel shows is insane
This debate teached me a lot on How to Cope with a Stubborn Toddler.
This is what Daniel did:
Pick your battles. If your child tries to defy you in a fairly trivial situation, it can be helpful to let her do what she wants. ...
Avoid saying “no” too often. ...
Know your child's triggers. ...
Don't give in.
its sickening how they try and warp the Qur'an and Sunnah to suit their needs. It's not only disgusting but openly stating that Allah Almighty and His Messenger got it wrong and that human conjecture like feminism is correct.
This was really a debate between Rationalism (Daniel) Vs Emotionalism (Saffiya) The marriage vetting question at the end was JOKES I couldn't stop laughing :)
Also, she should repent for the slanders she made and the inventions she produced.
She's honestly a joke and trying ridiculously hard to disguise herself as something else other than a feminist.
It's sad that we have such l in leeches' community, unfortunately, and ergo another reason some brothers are finding it hard to find practicing Muslim women to get married to. Furthermore, they have a whole group where they learn this agenda from shocking honestly
When you cannot debate rationally like Daniel did you have to resort to phycophanny tactics like this clown Sayyifah had too i.e. interruptions after interruptions?
On a serious note, if she claims she cares about our brother Daniel why would she mention things to put her life in danger which as a result would have consequences on his wife and kids? clearly, she cares about her agenda more.
Daniel Thanks for this well needed.
@@ummerfarooq5383
How?
@@ummerfarooq5383 keep dreaming buddy.
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@Ummer Farooq You're doing exactly what Safiyyah was doing during the whole debate "Making Claims without substanting objectively" again Rationalism vs Emotionalism
@@ummerfarooq5383 im trying to understand that lady argument but she's everywhere. Even attacking Daniel personal life.
The entire video was a Lesson from Daniel to the lady on how to do debates.
She is new to debates and it was pretty evident.
First of all she is not a Muslim scholar, she is misguiding Muslims. another point during the debate she was insulting the brother. he was very respectful to her and she was not. she was not capable of responding back to this brother who i admire for his knowledge and sincerity ethics.
She was the definition and product of western feminism.
Education for women is important in Islam but not based on the ideologies, curriculums and goals of western education structures.
But In all honesty, we Muslims at large have failed to come up with a different, compatible, and secure education system for our sisters.
We can’t really blame all Muslim sisters when we haven’t really put forward any good alternatives.
It takes two to tango. If muslim women has no sense then what is the difference between her and a prostitute.
@@orionemperor5319 ayo 🤨
True
This is exactly why I will have a separate women's only school and college for women who want to study without the danger of Fitnah. In Sha Allah. Studying in co-ed is really unsettling and people who can't accept that are just not being honest. We need better educational systems. That's the truth.
@@maryamkhan5522 May Allah be with you and help you to achieve your goal sister😊
I'm only 5 minutes in but how ironic is it that the topic is women's rights and then she immediately has technical problems and Daniel has to fix it for her. Sorry but that is hilarious 😂
@@greenlobster9171halal spider man 😂
Wait till you reach an hour to the debate. 🤣
Of course: no male ever has problems with his audio!
Education is important for both. For man so that he can provide logistically for the family. For women so that she can nurture the next generation in the best possible way.
As a woman I have to say that she embarrassed all muslim women. She started off good but when she was confronted with questions she couldn't handle and instead kept on slandering brother Daniel. The way she was talking to him and completely changed the tone of her voice that actually made me say - kitni harami aurat hai (I'm from India) She's made me believe that just because someone talks Islam isn't islamic. She probably is in her late twenties if not mid thirties and not married yet. Exposed her hypocrisy. All she did was preach during the open discussion and then left. Showed how much skin she had.
She lost this debate in the first 5 min, when she can't even fix her microphone. And when Daniel told her, it's because of your background (noise) she literally turned around to check her background. She's finished.
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She did lose because of her acting up. She had a few good points, not gonna lie... but her way of lashing out is a rush of anger.
My question is, what does a woman do when she is actually abused by her husband, and she is following the sunnah. Like how does one go about this.