How To WIN When You Are CARD DEAD
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Poker is an easy game when you are running well but it becomes much trickier when you find yourself having to fold every single hard because you are ‘card dead’!
In this video I cover the important details to help you WIN at the poker table when you find yourself card dead! I discuss several key strategies to think about, including your image, approach to profitability
& how to keep a strong mental state!
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What steps do you take to remain patient when you are card dead?
I use a mindset where I think the game might as well be called patience. There may be an hour or more where you won't bet any hands outside the forced bet in the blinds. This is not tennis where you have to be playing every single time. I've had people tell me at a table that I'm not playing poker correctly cuz I'm not betting hands. Oh well. I walk away with cash and they walk away without their bankroll. The lack of patience is the demise of most poker players.
I watch the rest of the table to gather information.
When carddead I think its good to loosen up a bit more on the button and defending more blinds.
I watch the other players and try to guess the opponent's hands based on the action and their reactions.
I love the inclusion of table image in the video about being card dead, because it is important, yet too often overlooked. I like the part about perceived tight players 3-betting wider as well; I've done this before myself. :) However, I've also adjusted in the other direction too. Sometimes I'll just be on a heater and pick up a ton of premium hands - I adjust knowing full well that now I'm perceived as looser than I probably am.
Adapting to table image and situations is something I love doing :)
When I am card dead I focus on my hand reading skills. I pick a range for the other players in the hand, and as the hand progresses I try and narrow what they might have, and what I think their actions might mean. If the hand gets to showdown I can confirm if I was close or not. This will keep you focused and give your brain something worthwhile to do, not only will you improve your hand reading skills, you will understand your opponents much better when you do get into a hand with them.
Ok ok lol J Little does enough Free coaching
I do that always lol
Good work
@@lukavukosavljevic2529 Lol... really? Well of course you do dummy if you are smart. But many people that are not in the hand screw with their phone, or don't pay attention. You might try thinking about the question before commenting.
@@_Coffee4Closers was just replying to your comment not the question. But congrats you managed to call me dummy and smart in a same comment 🤣😜
My strategy for when I'm card dead is to go on tilt and lose my stack. Seriously, being card dead is a tilt trigger for me. But this video helps a lot, and I'm looking forward to implementing these tips.
I usually just push any two at 20
Blinds if i havent had the hand 1+ hours
Let me know when you go to session lol
Just played a tournament and went one hour ten minutes before I played my first hand. Won enough in that pot to put me above average stack...
Nice!
My first online tourney i was playing tight and was chip lead and i just kept playing tight and made it to 6th was a tiny stakes 300gtd but now i keep trying to play looser and im not getting any results
@@jasonisfamous6544 a tourney is a survival race. Tight and aggressive.
One thing I try to do now is not just wait too long for a premium hand. It is so annoying when you have had nothing for an hour, then you raise and everybody just folds. I force myself to play a hand every 12 hands or so, with the intention of folding, so it keeps people thinking you will always fold to agression, or, you may get everybody to fold to a junky hand, then get a premium hand soon after and people are less likely to fold. Sometimes your opponent will just fold if you raise whenever they check to you, as they may be card dead too, you can do that for a while, until they cotton on. I also gauge how much people are raising to work out how wide a range I can use. It's harder to call with a hand like T8 if the standard raise is big, but its a must call to a table that is limping all the time. Also 3 betting good non paired hands can disguise your hand as a lot of people only three bet pairs.
There’s two types of card dead though. Type 1 would be where you are getting good playable hole cards (including an average frequency of premiums) at an average frequency but you can’t connect with a single flop or board to save your life, and your opponents continue to outflop you very consistently. And the 1/50 times you FINALLY hit a flop, it’s just bait to get you to give your stack away against the cooler (or the only possible monster draw that will bink right on the turn every single time because that’s the way it’s been going for you during the session).
Then there’s type 2, where your average hole cards are 8/2os pretty much every single hand. The type 2 card dead is easier to grind through with patience and then picking really good spots to exploit your subsequent “tight” table image with bluffs.
I don’t really feel like the type 1 card dead which I alluded to was covered in this video, and that is much more difficult to grind through. The other bad part about the type 1 card dead which I mentioned is that players can sense when you are card dead and aren’t connecting with any boards either, and they subsequently will often decide to look you up very wide when you do finally rep something. This is typically good news because it increases the odds you will get paid when you do finally make a big hand, but if it’s one of those sessions where even when you FINALLY smash a board for the first time in hours but it’s just bait and you’re up against the cooler, it almost guarantees you are getting stacked that hand.
I concur with what you said 100%. On those times I'm bluffing and semi bluffing if all conditions are lining up. I've placed in money rarely catching a hand. You have to create opportunities when the right situations present themselves and play how you would coming back from a chip and a chair. It is a grind though, board cards have to still work out in your favor in order to pull moves off constantly. And you still have to place people on hands in order to exploit them. It takes allot of fearlessness. But what have you got to lose if your card dead right? 😉
well the idea is still the same: if you play correctly over time your play with be net +ev, thus you increasingly gaining value. If you are not winning over a large amount of hands, then you are playing incorrectly. Maybe your range is too tight, maybe you are playing your range incorrectly post flop. Either way you are losing value somewhere, if you consistently have negative outcome. If you for instance have mostly positive outcome, then why complain about those sessions where you run into coolers? As long as you are net positive on your gains, whats the complaint for?
I actually don’t mind being card-dead to start off a session because it gives me an opportunity to learn the opponents styles of play. Then when the odds catch up and I start playing more hands, I look like a nit and get a lot of folds when I bluff.
Exactly what i do when card dead depends on the type of table and players i'm dealing with. If its a very aggressive table with a lot of raising pre-flop, then i batten down the hatches and wait for good cards and position to hammer the loose aggressive players that are 2 and 3 betting too often and too much. If it's a loose passive table and i think my table image is tighter than i want to be, then i will 2 or 3 bet in late position with something like 8,9 or J,9 suited looking to get into a situation where my cards will show and advertise that i am not just raising with premiums. If i've been card dead for a while, i'm doing this with the expectation that when i start getting good starting hands (hopefully soon) i will get more action when post-flop favors me. There is nothing worse than being card dead for 3 hours and then getting no action when you start getting cards and flop good.
No such thing as card dead, that's studying time. What are my opponents playing, I'm watching what positions they bet, when they bet, what boards they bet, what they go to showdown with, how they respond to aggression. Poker has a million things to be paying attention to and if you're card dead that's time to sit back and study.
Well sure but no one wants to spend 4 card dead hours watching opponents that you never end up playing with and learn how to play against them. Because if you let the blinds eat your stack and you never play them, what's the point?
You can study all you want but if you are card dead your dead
I seem to be card dead a lot. I’ve tried multiple strategies to deal with it. Play super tight. Play super loose. Don’t play at all for 20 or 30 or 40 hands. It almost always ends up with me on the losing end of the hand. Like I fold a suited 8/7 and the flop is 8/7/7. I guess I have to just start simply reading the table and not worry about doing anything until I get something to play. I tend to get bored with the game when that happens, so I’m not reading the table. I think I need to focus more during dead times. Good video.
Thank you again coach great video and content. Hope you have a happy new year!
You're welcome, John! Happy New Year!
Thank you for this!
I try to determine hand ranges on opponents as the hand plays out, then if showdown, see how close I was, mentally save any noteworthy patterns or tendencies for future use when I'm in a hand with them. Also study the two players to my left, and if profitable, start raising or 3-betting on button or cutoff with junk hands trying to steal.
Yes yes yes. Possibly the most overlooked component of profitable play is minimizing loss. Extended periods without good hands is an EXCELLENT time to practice how to minimize loss. Learning to control yourself to only play the weaker hands when there are opportunities (exceptional pot odds, positional advantage, etc).
When you're good enough and can read well enough this game you don't need cards at all to take pots down or to end the hand pre with out a flop nother awesome video jl and you're helping so many players to get better at this game witch is awesome and no matter how good you are in something even the best at it you can learn more when you think you know everything and all of it you can't learn anymore
Thank you very much!
Also a lot of it depends on what the board is showing. You can represent a hand depending on what the flop and the turn and sometimes the river if you get that far are showing. Then that will depend on how well your betting patterns tell a story that you have a better hand than your opponent. And of course the risk is that the board gives them a better hand than you have. That's why they call it gambling. But the tight image and a board that shows potential for cards that you don't even have coupled with the betting story can be productive.
Another great episode JL - Thank you 🙌
My pleasure!
I play low stakes live poker usually 1 2 or 2 5. I try and use the mindset that I will lose a few small pots but win a couple big ones. I try and stay active to get action.
I don't usually worry too much about my actual cards and focus more on position and player tendencies. I guess that would be exploitative rather than GTO but at the lower stakes many play face up.
Love the content!
Awesome, that's great! I'm glad you're enjoying it!
Always enjoy your videos and I am a Poker Coaching member. The good news is that I am already doing many of these things when card dead. Always need to improve though.
Thanks, George!
For me, it's all about knowing who and when you can exploit someone. I'll widen my range if I have an opportunity to get heads up with a maniac in position. Of course the strategy changes wildly from cash to tourney.
sometimes just play them rags like a 8 3 offsuit, once in awhile and if you hit, you can bust em flop 88j 343 etc
All of this is exactly how I play too, cause I get card dead a lot and I dodge a lot of bullets, folding a lot of the time. This guy is correct and I would recommend his coaching, cause a lot of people just play every hand at live/online games. I fold river rats out when I know I got a decent hand preflop, because traditionally, the game isn't board playing. It comes down to hold cards and the board is only supposed to help you. Not chasing them, unless you're bluffing your way to catch a straight/flush. People will know when you're doing that too. At least I do anyway ..
I love this and it can't be said enough, being card dead and impatient spells poker doom for so many people ( me included)
Wonderful video as always.
When I play mini 1 dollar Tourneys and im card dead i stuck with folding cause most opponents there dont see tight images. They call to all players and donk around.
This is me ..... sometimes, when I go card dead, its for LONG stretches.... and sometimes I see trash hit.... n wish I should have played it.... but as you said in long run if im playing well... I have started to see better results now
Great advice. Fold a lot!
Love that people willingly avoid passivity for fear of being viewed as a nit or being exploited for "over folding" unplayable cards. These are people who literally lack the wherewithal to sit through one hour of bad cards let alone 2 or 3 hours. That's just common game flow. You're in loss situation. The drawdown from a muckfest is almost always better than forced play.
LOL I did exactly the same thing last week in a cash game after I folded for like an hour straight. I'm a guy in my 40s who looks like he would be a conservative player... So I thought I would make a move based off of my opponents perception.
Under the gun raised 5x ...she had been raising at least 20 or 30% of every hand she had played, One guy in early position called who was a straightforward player, I three bet pretty big in HJ with 65s. I thought I would get respect. Guy on the button calls, small blind cold calls, original raiserr cold calls, and early position player calls for a five-way pot LOL.
Flop is like three big Broadway cards, rainbow. I thought they would at least check to me since I had reraised, but I get donk bet into by someone before me and then a call. No respect LOL.
Another Option: Play against the weaker players at the table. Representing premium hands is just as good as having them if opps believe.
on the podium!
It all comes down to frequencies. How often is villain bluffing here. Your game in general, how often do you get after pots. I'm stealing way more spot since I started listening to you most of all!
It would be difficult for me to play live again. So insanely slow.
When card dead if you can, change tables, change dealers, change set ups. Have the dealer wash the deck. In the mean time tighten up your play. The object of the game is to NOT go broke between now and whenever you get lucky.
Maybe also throw some salt over your shoulder and wash your hands?
This is my main problem at the poker table. I'd love to hear opinions on how to develop a better mindset and on how to be patient and play consistent poker during long live sessions
Understand that this is what you signed up for! It will happen and your only goal is to play your best!
Being card dead is a common occurrence in poker. So you'll have endless opportunitities to learn various responses to it. Key is having an established game plan for it before sitting down. Challenge yourself to certain milestones that you absolutely should be able to honor. If you find you can't follow through on that, then you will have uncovered a substantial leak. And if you're not up for doing the remedial work necessary to correct it, then be honest about it.
I just started playing in daily tournaments. $80 buy in. Really small. Field of about 100 (Southpoint LV). For the past 10 years a cash player, wanting to learn tournaments. Anyway, I always seem to bust at the same level in each tournament (around 7th-8th level). If I make it past that, I will cash. Can anyone help me look and figure out what I am doing to consistently be busting at the same level each time?
Last night I raise 4 limpers with T9s in the CO to 6.25 BB, 1st limper calls, all the other limpers fold. So there is is 18BB in the pot. Flop AA4. I cbet 3.2BB. He laughs tanks, then folds 77s face up. And that's how it's done. And if he does find a call, I am firing turn, because he has told me he does not have an Ace.
Penny saved is a penny earned! Needed to hear that.
It sucks when you're card dead and the decent bottom of your range hands you are getting are being folded to a 3 bet or the 4 callers with AK 678 flop lol then another hour of no hands
Jonathan, in regards to making decisions when you are card dead, how do you feel about calling the small blind in pots that were limped or raised with some callers? I have had arguments with players that I know, that have won tournaments, including circuit rings, that you have to call because of “pot odds”. I feel the opposite, that marginal hands in the worst position is a great way to bleed off your stack time and again, and can get torched by a bigger hand a lot of the time. Thoughts??
If you can play well post flop call. If you can't, fold
Don't limp with trash.
@@sllgrecco nobody can play extremely optimal in the first to act position. You cannot realize full equity OOP whatsoever. Even if you play perfectly you will never realize full equity OOP.
@@PokerCoaching Raise with trash or GTFO. 😂 Still, not profitable usually.
Most of the games where I play are limp and call, it’s quite often to see a 6/7 way flop. Even with a 3/5X raise the table calls. These players suck post flop, this helps, my hand reading is pretty good at these levels. 1/2, 1/3, & 2/5, they are fairly easy right to beat.
I will play 1 hand an hour on the button where I have a top 5 hand no matter what I have and what flops. Example it limps to me, I raise a Example, like Jonathan is saying, they over fold. I am on the button in a $1/$3 it limps, then I raise to $25, usually I see 2-4 calls. I bet about 1/3 pot on the flop if it checks to me. Surprising how often this wins the pot. If not, re-evaluate the turn, usually goes check and I bet, then take it down there.
If it’s regular player, you can set them up for later and show your 2,9os. Bottom line you can’t do this more that 2/3 times per session. You will lose you stack, usually to guys like me that can trap well.
Would you consider reviewing Rampage’s A-10 raise out of the sb at 11:45 in his video today?
Sure, link me.
@@PokerCoaching czcams.com/video/vCY3lzL2osQ/video.html
I have been very card dead as of late.
Card dead absolutely SUCKS!!! But that said, there are other things i try to work on... detecting ranges, play styles, bluffs, and where the "heat" is. It can be most frustrating getting 9/3 off over and over in a session, even when decks are changed!! And it always happens when im at a table i know i could win a significant number of hands. BUT!!! This is a game for the longhaul and profit is what we strive for. Card dead allows me to keep that profit.
I can't handle being card dead for one hour. LOL
Are there times you fold AKo preflop? If raised after you open, how often do you shove (obviously stack size dependant)?
Very rarely. Check out the preflop charts at pokercoaching.com/free to see strategies based on stack sizes!
Player dependent and depending on your relative positions, 3b villain’s image and subsequent perceived range, etc. If you are 3b pre by a maniac or just a loose player whose range you could be dominating, that’s when you should probably go for it.
30 or 40 min is nothing I’ve been hours without anything
when im card dead i try to find the golden spot where u can 4-bet 2 6 off and then hit 2 pair on the flop and then go all in against aces and win huge pots
I play this game on Party Poker here in the Great White North (that's Canada for the gringos) and it's called "Fast Forward". Basically, you get a hand and if you don't like it, you fold. Immediately you are picked up from the table and brought to an entirely different table with a new line-up. The player pool is usually between 15-100 players at any given time. You must learn about many players in order to compete. Also, there is an air of anonymity. People don't always know where you are coming from. It's much harder to remember hundreds of players and their types.
This game is such that you go through hands extremely fast and you get pocket aces like 2 times an hour only single tabling. So basically you can win big or get torched. Playing the .50 - 1.00 feels more like playing 2-5 as the rate at which you can win and lose money goes up as you typically are only playing nutted hands and they are harder to let go of. Consequently you get coolered a lot more because people are playing tighter as it is simple and easy to just fold and see another hand at a new table so the hands you face are usually better.
Anyways its an interesting format I was wondering if anyone had any tips? Any theories?
@@dylanhom58 Gringo means foreigner. if you were spanish but still born in miami but went to mexico you'd still be a gringo.
Don't play Zoom for lots of reasons. Play more of the normal games instead.
I think the problem people have is that they underestimate "how much time" they have before they blind out.
For example: 6 handed in a cash game, in the extremely unlikely case where you never got playable cards across 100 hands, AND your BB was stolen everytime....you would only lose 25bb. And if the game was 9 handed, this would be 16.66bb
Underrated comment. You can’t worry about being card dead the shorter handed the table is, otherwise you will still lose a lot pretty quick just being blinded away.
@@jaredcarrick3468 I think you might have misunderstood me. I meant that we get blinded away pretty slowly.
@@fedea82 at 9 handed tables, sure. 6 handed or less, you need to remain more active.
@@jaredcarrick3468 you should play the same ranges as in full ring. You'll end up playing wider anyhow because the EP are gone. But if you're truly card dead across 100 hands....fold 100 hands. The EV of cards doesn't have memory, you can't create it out of thin air and if 72 is a pure fold, it's always a pure fold.
Even then, over the course of 100 hands, you will be in position to steal , and to take down the pot on flop with a cbet. I can basically stay "afloat" and very slightly win against a very tight crowd (which is what online cardrooms are generally) by picking good spots for pressure
What graph when the big stack? Seems like it's the whole thing right?
I am not sure what you mean.
@@PokerCoaching with a big stack, the strategy changes. IE you could be a bully pulpit type of player. What graph then?
Folding w/ 6BB on the btn??!
Jonathan, I think we will all agree that Vegas poker has drastically changed since the days when Mr. Little sweated Bellagio’s $5/10 game 12 hours a day and averaged, if I remember correctly, a $1,000 daily profit to blast your poker career into orbit.
We all know that you are a very devoted family man, but it would be VERY, VERY interesting if you were to spend a month at Bellagio taking the measure of your 2021 game against today’s opponents. Not for the piddling money, just for the record. You could blog that daily action for all of your fans like myself. - sincerely, Mr. Poker Curious in Vegas.
I have a family and I do not have an ego problem. I have many students who are winning $100+ in the $5/$10+ live games in Vegas today, many of which only watched my Cash Game Masterclass then got to work.
@@PokerCoaching I never suggested that you had an ego problem. I simply suggested that it would be interesting for your fans, myself included, to see how you would fair in today’s poker environment. There are still a few poker celebrities out there, but only you and Daniel, and perhaps Moneymaker, would be considered “Ambassadors” in the same vein as Mike Sexton was regarded in our little world.
Certainly a month of small stakes poker would be too much for a family man, but a four-day rotation between Bellagio, The Aria, The Venetian and The Wynn playing 5/10 and/or 2/5 would be good for the “everyday” poker world. It would also add a tad more value to your “vlog equity” by making you THE topic of conversation for a week. My regards. DG
I am still asleep…fare, not fair. Sorry! LOL!
My way of approaching being card dead, "Enjoy folding while it lasts!"
@8:11 lmfaooo😂
I used to fold when I was card dead. Now I look for opportunities to bluff when I think my opp is weak. It keeps you from being bored
First buddy!
Just pretend you have cards and represent the scariest range given the runout. And only do it with a proper TAG-ish frequency as if you were playing not card dead. Know your opponents of course and know whom to choose to play like this against. Not hard for small to mid stakes. I've won innumerable SnG's and Triple-Ups at $7-$15-$25 buy-in without having even one hand the whole tournament until it gets stupid at the end and you're just shoving. Yeah, just pretend you do at a reasonable frequency so your opponents leave you alone when you represent hands. Make sure you're in position when you do and play Ax, Kxs, suited gappers, unsuited Broadway so at least you're still using only mild -EV hole cards and it's only slightly below borderline playable. If it's gone around 3 times and you haven't participated and then you do aggressively, they will trust you 80% of the time. Doesn't matter what your cards are.
When was the last time u won jon
Google is helpful for questions like this.
So basically, if you're card dead for 4 hours straight and the blinds are just eating your stack, you're SOL. Got it.
When i am card dead i focus on my folding skills
Didn't even have to watch your video. Play tighter and come back tomorrow. That's it.
Ha!
I know this may sound cliche but I honestly get 72 more often than any other card.
I have the ability to be a hold em legend and will be oneday, but first i must concur my alcoholism
Its okay to have a pet hand if its EV is +Fun
I thought you have to play 69 i swear i heard phil ivey say that somewhere lol
I was card dead for the past 4 tournaments. Played a cash game session was card dead for 5 hours straight. Wtf.
webguy943 Sounds like you were playing online
Master the fundamentals is not completely free. It told me I need to have a poker coaching premium membership to access it.
It is free, perhaps it's a bug of some sort. Make sure to check out pokercoaching.com/free & email support@pokercoaching.com if there's any issues and they'll sort it out for you. Thanks!
You can also call it quits when you run dead.
A world outside of poker awaits!
I'd much rather be card dead than run monsters into bigger monsters
I smoke a joint
You'll be surprised at the amount of newb bingo players that will fight tooth and nail, calling huge bets/raises just to chase cards to the river. Its gotten ridiculous.
Sounds like a goldmine.
Pro tip: when you are card dead, you will lose.
Until next time, friends!!!
Tournaments used to be fun to play but GTO strategy has ruined them completely. Poker is no longer a game of skill because of these charts and style of play, its literally just a guessing game. Bad players can play exactly like a smart player would but they have no idea why theyre making the moves they are making. They are just looking at a chart and clicking in spots. Absolutely horrible for the game in every single aspect.
Poker has always been a guessing game. Now people just know how to guess better. All games get more difficult in time, especially when there is a financial or emotional motivation. Poker happens to have both, which is why it is changed quickly.
When I am card dead I play with my pee pee under the table
Second lol
Seems every CZcamsr is trying to make poker as much about luck as possible and as boring as possible. We may as well grab a bingo card if we all play the same like this. Just play YOUR hands is the general advice. Ha. What happened to psychology, gamesmanship, reading opponents, creating a persona and picking the right tables?
You must not be watching my content...
@@PokerCoaching Not every post, no. Every one I have watched involves some incarnation of a solver. And saying 'if your opponent is splashy or tight, adjust accordingly' doesn't really cut it for me. Like in Chess and Go, AI can beat humans in poker now, this shows there is an optimal strategy to play ones cards, so is there any point, really? Is online poker doomed to be a table full of people using AI?