I think the problem with Citroen is that they work a lot on their suspension and engine tuning however what they are failing to realise is that in the Indian market, features such as electric adjust of orvm’s and decent door handles matter a lot as they should.
I think thier focus is fine, not good as market demand is features but still if you see car is to drive and not watch movies or connect phone devices. Unfortunately others focus more on market and less on drive.
The top speed of EVs are restricted to optimize the range the battery has to offer. Anything above 107 kmph, it is going to severely bring down the range that the battery has to offer. This is a common practice everywhere unlike the high-end Tesla models where the higher capacity batteries are used. While reviewing EVs, you would need to mention the specification of the battery as well, its chemical composition, etc. of course, the drive in the EVs would be great as its powertrains are simple and robust
Exactly, none of the reviewers are telling the actual buyers that if you go in 110+km/h speed you won’t even get half of the so called claimed range. We can achieve the claimed range only when you are using the pedal like feather and way below 60km/h, which no one want to drive it in as its not a 50cc moped bike!
I cannot comment on the possibility of fire in EVs. It is too early to make any sort of comparison with the fire incidences of IC engines as of now. We shouldn't forget that IC engines are catching fire even in these modern times. It is entirely down to how well battery management system and cooling system has been designed and implemented. The western countries have been fairly successfully in the EVs all these years. There is one famous video shot somewhere in China, of Tesla wading through 4-feet high floodwater. I feel Citoroen and Tata are all too big and reliable manufacturers that one would expect them to have the BMS well sorted out. Let's see.
This eC3 is a shitbox. It might eat Tiago EV sales to an extent but i honestly think it can't even touch/dent Nexon ev sales. If I want to go for Nexon EV, i shall go for it. Cheap looking, 2013 features embodied, not so great doing and ready to pack bags Citroen will never be in consideration also
I own Citreon eC3(Top Variant) and along with Petrol Hyundai Grant i10 Asta(O) (Top Variant ) .. Now I had 6000 kms plus drive in my EV .. Had Highway Trip to Bangalore .. Single day 450 KM .. acheived Highway millage of about 250 Km to 280 Km per charge on Eco Mode with full load (5 adult and 3 kids and boot space full of heavy lagguage ) Ac and Music system , chageing of phone on my 8 hours plus Journey . Fast Charge Power delivery nearly 38kw .. quick 40 mins 20 to 90 plus percent reached. Comfort in Top Notch .. Suspension was very premiem and steering control view of road and ease drive is wow.. for me .. I excepted some Cross SUV type of Car over Hatchback for funky look..for second car. I am happy with my choice
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars EC3 is not offering the range of 320km** once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range. Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
@@thangavelkannant81 now 52,000 km , Negligible Battery degradation .. 14 months now ... Very easy to drive and control ..5 service completed till now , waiting for 6th service .. Very good for me and family ..
If anyone considering this car, It has air cooled technology to cool the battery which is outdated. These days liquid cooling is the standard. Because of this there maybe quick battery degradation. Better to go with Tata, MG EVs
It is not meant for highway driving, overheating of battery will not happen in city driving conditions but definitely climbing in hilly areas will suck
@@mdanaszaimkhan5105 not meant for highway but can Citroen stop its customer not to ride on highway? This car is full of cost cutting just like the ICE C3. I will call it a missed opportunity.
Citron Car design and the mechanicals are OUTSTANDING. Tyres are Very good, Battery is from CATL who is the world leader in EV battery supplying to BMW, VW, Benz, etc.. What missing are fancy items ( Car play infotainment, Electric fordable mirror, Stereo, Sun roof, cruise control, etc). In my opinion, those fancy stuff are not required ( I am not buying car for those fancy items; I rately use items like sun roof..!!!) ; so in my opinion CITRON EV is very good provided if you have Citron service network accessible in your town.
I'm not sure the lack of basic features like rear window power buttons in the rear door or the lack of electric adjustable mirrors can be called as "fancy" features not being available. I would hate to even sit in the car because it screams cost cutting right into my face. I would rather buy a maruti hybrid if I have a smaller budget, even if it means I might die in that tin box.
@@yomamasohot6411 well, if you compare with TATA Tiago 1) it has a spare wheel which is essential 2) it has a wireless android auto and wireless apple car play, which you can effectively use it 3) it has better suspension 4) it has better range 5) It has better bootspace 6) It has better ground clearance and rear window power buttons are accessible to rear seated passenger as well What I am missing over here is 1) pre-cool feature 2) 12 V charger for rear passengers 3) top light for rear passengers 4) rear ac vents Considering all the above, I can ignore it does not have automatic mirrors.
@@sjb371 Same all over Kenya, and kilowatts per hundred kilometres tends to be cheaper than litres per hundred kilometres here. It's why a lot of the safari tour companies are switching to electric landcruiser conversions.
So no one is going to talk about cheap battery pack just hanging below the car dangerously. Overall tiago ev is much better for both price point and safety.
Trunk = luggage space in the rear of a car Bonnet = lid of the engine bay (either front or rear) Engine bay = wherever the engine sits (either front or rear) FRUNK = luggage space in the front of a car Its not called Frunk if the front end has engine (ICE or EV)!
@@realkannaaadigananu4148 tata has better interior quality and better ride quality which is shit in citroen. And a main thing tata is emotion. Citroen is just a cost cutting shit in India
@@spider.knot.7I absolutely disagree on what u say about the ride quality of citroen c3. If anything the ride quality was mind blowing!! But I drove the turbo petrol not this.
Faisal, why are EVs FWD ⁉️ Especially this car which has MPV ambitious ‼️ Besides the natural advantage of leveraging the added weight of an EV, RWD would free up precious cargo space under the front bonnet ‼️
@@Mafiaboss0088 Dude, I don't understand the analogy but an axle mounted electric motor will not leave a hump on the rear desk like an ICE would (Tata magic iris), it need not be a Tesla motor 😅.
@@GbMuthu sirji baki components bhi toh lagana...... Engine bay me lagbhag sab fit ho jaate hai..... Aur tesla motor nhi chaiye uske tarha compact design of motor gear inverter hone se bht zada space bachega.... And plz dont compare the space in tata magic and other passengers evs..... Bht different hai dono segment..... Nhi to koi bhi tata magic to innova ev me convert kar deta. Srry if i am lil harsh while explaining. But mechanism plz samjhiye.
@@Mafiaboss0088 thanks for being polite😍🙏. The marvel of an electric motor doubles as a generator when resistance is reversed. No differential required either. Torque is vectored electronically. & Yes, some electronic components will have to be stored under the bonnet. Axle mounted electric motors will not intrude into the greenhouse. Looks like u aren't very fond of the iris 🤣. But the rear axle mounted ICE dented the deck right from the days of the VW minibus. Happy motoring 😉
@@GbMuthu i knw sirji wat am saying is in vehicles like vw buzz tata magic are different from normal cars..... U r saying about rear mounted motors..... I will go one step further we shud take approach like rivian motors motors in each wheel which will give many more advantages but thr will be rise in cost and front will drive are very much stable till 100-120kmph and much more drivable in the city.... So to keep the cost down, and keeping all the components in the engine bay and keeping the car more drivable in cities manufacturers keep the motors and components in the front thus we dont get frunk.
Kudos to Citroën for entering market with such a banger car, damn someone at their research department must be high or something 🤣🤣 Kudos to their guys for entering such a market with such a boomer car 😂
one thing - RELIABILITY Citroen being a global player, i expect those expertise to have the effect on this and TATA is making amazing cars, but the reliability issues are just not acceptable, so many of them, in case of emergency if it goes kaput, who will it feel, tata needs to up the reliability game
@@sumergill1351 don't talk bullshit even French or japan, German didnt matter An effective BTMS is required to maintain EV batteries within upper and lower temperature boundaries. If the batteries get too hot or too cold, their performance can be diminished, and they can experience permanent damage. Designers can choose between a variety of passive and active cooling technologies to manage the thermal environment of EV batteries. In the longer term, higher-performance BTMS will be required to enable the use of XFC technology.
Citroen obviously makes some flagship level cars especially with their unique suspension tech......but that's only in France. In India they're offering cheap quality cars except C5 aircross and there aren't even many service outlets. Just look at the battery pack, they didn't integrate it with the platform just did jugaad with the current C3 which btw is an old C3 cause they're already selling the new one in the international market. I don't think Citroen is going to last in India if they keep doing this.....
Haven't tried on highway, also drove in Delhi traffic in last 20 days..though never exhausted complete battery but basis the calculation with AC running 90% journey in city giving range of 200 and if with 50-60 % on AC its giving 245 range
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars EC3 is not offering the range of 320km** once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range. Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
Devastated by how much Citroen has cheaped out on this car! Could've been a killer vehicle if it weren't for the features,or the lack there of. Now the competition will eventually kill this vehicle. The tiago for sure is going to be a hit and the incoming punch will be an even greater hit,literal hit to the eC3.
Other than Nexon, none of the Tata vehicles are selling well. Literally I have seen more Citroen C3 in Chennai than Punch…Harrier and Tiago combined together and that’s the reality! Except Nexon nothing is working out for them at present because of their amazing after sales service and so many flaws in the product. Safety alone won’t sell the vehicle…so Punch Ev or Tiago ev isn’t gonna kill this unless these guys provide proper product with after sales service!
@@thelionking3321 Are you serious? Look at their sales figures last month. They surpassed Hyundai to become second largest car brand of India. Not just Nexon, even Punch, Altroz, Tiago was sold in huge numbers. Numbers don't lie and biased people should have a look at it.
@@vijayreddy8513 lol what successful, I can count on my fingers the number of C3's I have seen on Pune roads, and I travel ~45km everyday. While I can't even count the number of Nexon ev, punch, tiago I have seen. The number of regular Nexon is even more. If tata launches ev forms of the rest of their lineup then they will eat up the majority of ev market and also the eC3.
Nice car but can't beat Tata Tiago because tata motors sales service and indian brand no issues for future services Citroen will out from India after some time 🙂
Thanks for the video, hope you did the first drive review of Mahendra xuv400, could you please tell me, which one is best interms of driving dynamics and comfort??
Fyi This car has Prismatic Lifep04 battery aircooled. Reps told it also uses AC air to cool the battery along with external air cooling. Poor review by Faisal. When it comes to ev you need to be specific abiut range battery and tech specs. The cells is made by SVOLT company in china. They claimed to make worlds first nickel cobalt free battery. Nickel cobalt not only polutes but also is costly. Say no to Mahindra XUV400 in this case. Poor choice of battery. Some may say Tata has liquid cooled and has 8 years warranty on battery and motor This has onlyy 7 years on battery and 5 years on motor. With extended warrant you can get motor covered by 2 another years..where tata cars extended warranty extends the base warranty So its like 8 vs 7 in citron Plus Tata batteries also carries same compoosition. But they have tried and tested cylondrical cells packed in a boxy shape and kept in back of the car with liquid coolant which can have safety hazard in case of crashes from rear side. As we all know liquid doesnt go well with lithium batteries. On the other hand prismatic cells are costly as of now. As they are pretty new to market . BYD uses these batteries in their cars. As time passes these batteries will become cheaoer than cylindrical shaoed batteries. Also to mention. The prismatic cells is placed below the chasis with large surface area resulting in better cooling when in normal temp like 25 to 35. But if the air that tocuhes the battery is hot. Then expect reduction in performancr. Although citroen tells they tested this cars for over 1 lakh kms in india for 6 months. Real life user reviewers says ..wheb u drive rash like 80 to 100 kmph soeed. Deplete the batteey fast abd you have reached the oercentage around 20. You wanted to charge in realy hot environment. Then the charging soeed will be drastically reduced. It wont charge kike 23 to 25kwh as claimed by citroen Real life reviews shows max it acheived was 17 to 18 kwh through zion charger. Expect 1 hr 20 mins to charge from 10 to 80 percentage. But if you drive at reasonable speeds say 55 to 65 kmph. Your real feel temp is not beyind 45 degrees. You can exprct better speed. Both Tata and Citroen both has their own share of disadvantages. In the long run Prismatic cells will be cheaoer to make abd replace..although if a single cell fails it may affect whole batteey unlike cylindrical cells in tata. But the complexity of assembly in cylindrical is high .although you can reolace bad cells in cylindrical assembles..am not sure what Tata are doing to replacr batteries. Few told they are replacing bad batteries in the pack. But it has to be done very carefully. Its always good to replacr and recycle the old ones..rather replacing bad cells in the pack After comoaring both. Citroen has good susoensuon .but lack of features Tata has given good features. But not that spacious in tiago. Make u tonwiat for tata punch obvuously will be in alpha platform maling the cost of tata punch to be more than nexon prime.would cost min 13 to 14 lakhs for base varaint.. ON other hand BYD has proved Blade prismatic cells with air cooling is far better than liquid cooled cylindrical ones. But i am not sure what type Of prismatic cells SVOLT has made for the ec3. I am eying on ec3 cos of its price abd spaciiius cabin. Waiting for shine ec3 variant with all the leftout features like alloy wheels electric ovrm , rear camera abd telematics and a solid 1 lakh price cut. I am ok wirh 107kmph..as i am not gonna race woth my car. If the shine varaiant costs 13 lakh on road then i gonna buy this. suspension is the best in all the Ev which costs less than 20 lakhs. I am kind of guy who do hyper miling..im amn damn sure i can extract 250 to 260km rangr from this one. With tiago one can easiky get 220 to 230km at constant 60kmph speeds. This can easily fo 250 to 260 with decent speeds.
> car with liquid coolant which can have safety hazard in case of crashes from rear side. As we all know liquid doesnt go well with lithium batteries. Water is not used as the cooling refrigerant in EVs with liquid cooling, it is standard alcohol based coolant (ethylene glycol) alcohols are non conductive compounds since they are organic in nature. Further, the conductivity does not matter anyway because the coolant is closed loop ie it never comes in direct contact with the individual cell. The cell itself has a aluminium covering and the coolant runs in similar copper or aluminium pipe network around the cells. Even in case of collision, it is unlikely that the case of the cells and the cooling lines will break simultaneously -- so in all probability, firstly, there is no way for coolant and the lithium in cell to come in direct contact with each other, and in the unfortunate accidental event when it does, the insulating properties of the coolant won't cause any further escalation like fire or blast
Handful of info. Just wanted to confirm this 1) where do you get the info related to prismatic cell? 2) I do read that there no shine variant for eC3 as rear wheels and rear camera can be added via addons. But automatic ORVM gonna miss. What do you mean by Telematics? I can see Citroen Connect app will display info about the driving, is this you are referring to ? 3) Price cut? Really? I dont think there will be any price cut as this car sales are good. They are doing almost 300 numbers a month and for new brand it is good. Please reply if you have confirmation related to eC3 shine and price cut from official sources.
Tiny electric cars make no sense at all with barely any range. At this cost people will be wanting just 1 car for all their needs and this car leaves a lot to be desired. Citroen should consider bringing in the larger Evs here to get some popularity
Is a c3 turbo petrol worth buying?? Keep hearing that c3 is dead nd the company is not doing good with sales. They aren't heavily invested in India nd might even pack Up nd leave!! How true is this?? Faisal tell me what u think? It wud be a hard earned 10lacs spent if I buy this car. What do u guys think??? Faisal, ur honest opinion pls?
They are using LFP batteries They are very stable and good as it doesn't generate heat as it happens with lithium ion so air cooled is more than enough
Why all companies are trying to make fool of customers, why they're claiming 300+kms range when the car in actual not able to cross 200 kms? They're cheating, same with Tata.
@@soorajtr6692 yes it was! But aaj nhi toh kal nhi toh parso nhi toh tarso nhi toh.......... Fan ban hi jaoge jab real evs like a science fiction movies will come in the future aur jab nukkad nukkad pe super high speed charging or may be no charging needed wali cars launch ho jayegi..... Finger crossed
Better than tiago ev?😂no electric mirror adjustments,no climate control,no defogger,not even a rear wiper,heavy road noise,90s cellphone as MID,no fast charging,underpowered,cheap looking interiors..yeah better than tiago ev💀😂
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars EC3 is not offering the range of 320km** once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range. Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
No liquid cooling for battery, which is 100% essential for a EV car in Indian climate .. All the two - three wheelers have air cooled battery and that ends in 3 years. Citroen also have air cooling Battery warranty 7 years , TIago 8 Motor warranty 5 years, Tiago 8 No adjustable regen braking - which is a must for Indian roads No cruise control - which helps to save battery in highway low power compare to Tiago ================== yes C3 is better than TIago EV !!
'Citroen decided to skimp on features' Seriously ? That's all you're going to say about everything the eC3 is not offering ? That car has NOTHING and you happily chose to skip that with a one liner. That car costs 11.5Lacs and has nothing that Tiago is offering apart from a larger battery and more space.
V should not make lots of charging stations v should have only required number of charging station at remote areas houses should be allowed to b made as pay chargeing center's
citroen should increase price by 2 lakhs but give better quality and features i mean today manufacturers are giving 360 camera and this car don't have any manually adjusted mirrors, no apple car play and many more
India does not need many charging points every house shall b made as charging stations if v pay them all if house r made to pay and charger points most of the houses shall b made as charging station
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The Mag-wheels are a part of accesories not standard
I think the problem with Citroen is that they work a lot on their suspension and engine tuning however what they are failing to realise is that in the Indian market, features such as electric adjust of orvm’s and decent door handles matter a lot as they should.
I think thier focus is fine, not good as market demand is features but still if you see car is to drive and not watch movies or connect phone devices. Unfortunately others focus more on market and less on drive.
The top speed of EVs are restricted to optimize the range the battery has to offer. Anything above 107 kmph, it is going to severely bring down the range that the battery has to offer. This is a common practice everywhere unlike the high-end Tesla models where the higher capacity batteries are used. While reviewing EVs, you would need to mention the specification of the battery as well, its chemical composition, etc. of course, the drive in the EVs would be great as its powertrains are simple and robust
Exactly, none of the reviewers are telling the actual buyers that if you go in 110+km/h speed you won’t even get half of the so called claimed range. We can achieve the claimed range only when you are using the pedal like feather and way below 60km/h, which no one want to drive it in as its not a 50cc moped bike!
That's why RVs are sh*t
I cannot comment on the possibility of fire in EVs. It is too early to make any sort of comparison with the fire incidences of IC engines as of now. We shouldn't forget that IC engines are catching fire even in these modern times.
It is entirely down to how well battery management system and cooling system has been designed and implemented. The western countries have been fairly successfully in the EVs all these years. There is one famous video shot somewhere in China, of Tesla wading through 4-feet high floodwater.
I feel Citoroen and Tata are all too big and reliable manufacturers that one would expect them to have the BMS well sorted out. Let's see.
Battery kicked in yo!
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If citroen markets and statregises this product well, it can become a competitor for nexon and tiago ev. It will become a hit.
This eC3 is a shitbox. It might eat Tiago EV sales to an extent but i honestly think it can't even touch/dent Nexon ev sales. If I want to go for Nexon EV, i shall go for it. Cheap looking, 2013 features embodied, not so great doing and ready to pack bags Citroen will never be in consideration also
@@bullyeyelash3061 feel nexon ev is shittier box than this....
@@bullyeyelash3061 comparing to nexon this has more features ..
Nexon i dont know what did u see in it😂😂
@@realkannaaadigananu4148 may be open your eyes and use your brain when checking the specs list of Nexon I guess.
@@bullyeyelash3061 nexon 😂😂
Look of that car itself hideous.....
That car woulf be utter flop anywr except india
I own Citreon eC3(Top Variant) and along with Petrol Hyundai Grant i10 Asta(O) (Top Variant ) .. Now I had 6000 kms plus drive in my EV .. Had Highway Trip to Bangalore .. Single day 450 KM .. acheived Highway millage of about 250 Km to 280 Km per charge on Eco Mode with full load (5 adult and 3 kids and boot space full of heavy lagguage ) Ac and Music system , chageing of phone on my 8 hours plus Journey . Fast Charge Power delivery nearly 38kw .. quick 40 mins 20 to 90 plus percent reached. Comfort in Top Notch .. Suspension was very premiem and steering control view of road and ease drive is wow.. for me .. I excepted some Cross SUV type of Car over Hatchback for funky look..for second car. I am happy with my choice
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars
EC3 is not offering the range of 320km**
once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range.
Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
hows the back seat experience in long tours?
@df1hf5yv9r - how about the performance now ? how many kms covered ? so far tell us your ownership of c3 ev ? it would be useful for others !!
@@thangavelkannant81 now 52,000 km , Negligible Battery degradation .. 14 months now ... Very easy to drive and control ..5 service completed till now , waiting for 6th service .. Very good for me and family ..
This car is the spitting definition of cost cutting
What u have to say about Tata nano
never heard of Honda Brio?
The batteries are air cooled ..
@@jashanvirsingh2166 Will they sell this car at 2L like TATA Nano?
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If anyone considering this car,
It has air cooled technology to cool the battery which is outdated.
These days liquid cooling is the standard.
Because of this there maybe quick battery degradation.
Better to go with Tata, MG EVs
It is not meant for highway driving, overheating of battery will not happen in city driving conditions but definitely climbing in hilly areas will suck
Yes
@@mdanaszaimkhan5105 10 lakh is something waste to drive in city only (excluding highways)- better go with ICE than
@@mdanaszaimkhan5105 not meant for highway but can Citroen stop its customer not to ride on highway? This car is full of cost cutting just like the ICE C3. I will call it a missed opportunity.
@@harshadmehta6552 but some are saying LFP batteries dont required much cooling than LI ion batteries
Even maruti doesn't do this much cost cutting (-:
Lol 🤣😂
Citron Car design and the mechanicals are OUTSTANDING. Tyres are Very good, Battery is from CATL who is the world leader in EV battery supplying to BMW, VW, Benz, etc.. What missing are fancy items ( Car play infotainment, Electric fordable mirror, Stereo, Sun roof, cruise control, etc). In my opinion, those fancy stuff are not required ( I am not buying car for those fancy items; I rately use items like sun roof..!!!) ; so in my opinion CITRON EV is very good provided if you have Citron service network accessible in your town.
Well said
I'm not sure the lack of basic features like rear window power buttons in the rear door or the lack of electric adjustable mirrors can be called as "fancy" features not being available. I would hate to even sit in the car because it screams cost cutting right into my face. I would rather buy a maruti hybrid if I have a smaller budget, even if it means I might die in that tin box.
@@yomamasohot6411 well, if you compare with TATA Tiago
1) it has a spare wheel which is essential
2) it has a wireless android auto and wireless apple car play, which you can effectively use it
3) it has better suspension
4) it has better range
5) It has better bootspace
6) It has better ground clearance
and rear window power buttons are accessible to rear seated passenger as well
What I am missing over here is
1) pre-cool feature
2) 12 V charger for rear passengers
3) top light for rear passengers
4) rear ac vents
Considering all the above, I can ignore it does not have automatic mirrors.
Ec3 Battery is from Svolt… Calt is the market leader though
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Kicking the back seat and turning the AC knob reflects your character. You need to instrospect and behave properly.
How safe is the battery at the bottom? Can bad bumps do any serious damage?
Generally no.... But u never knw.... If a rock aur anything can puncture a fuel tank.... Battery cover can also be
This would be a hit in the remote parts of Africa where fuel costs nearly 50% more than the cities
Cost of electricity?
@@sjb371 Same all over Kenya, and kilowatts per hundred kilometres tends to be cheaper than litres per hundred kilometres here. It's why a lot of the safari tour companies are switching to electric landcruiser conversions.
So no one is going to talk about cheap battery pack just hanging below the car dangerously. Overall tiago ev is much better for both price point and safety.
Trunk = luggage space in the rear of a car
Bonnet = lid of the engine bay (either front or rear)
Engine bay = wherever the engine sits (either front or rear)
FRUNK = luggage space in the front of a car
Its not called Frunk if the front end has engine (ICE or EV)!
Citroen made a name for itself in europe by winning 9 consecutive wrc titles with sebastian loeb, nice to see this brand in india now.
But this brand is not having good sales
@@spider.knot.7 in india ...
But other places it has decent sales ..
India me tata jaisa shit box jada chalta hai
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Aaya hi kitne saal hai bhai ruko waqt lagega...
@@realkannaaadigananu4148 tata has better interior quality and better ride quality which is shit in citroen. And a main thing tata is emotion. Citroen is just a cost cutting shit in India
@@spider.knot.7I absolutely disagree on what u say about the ride quality of citroen c3. If anything the ride quality was mind blowing!! But I drove the turbo petrol not this.
Citroen is just doing sneak peak work
Faisal, why are EVs FWD ⁉️ Especially this car which has MPV ambitious ‼️ Besides the natural advantage of leveraging the added weight of an EV, RWD would free up precious cargo space under the front bonnet ‼️
Also take more spaces in the boot.... Coz its not tesla drivetrain.... Ghumake naakh pakadne wali baat hogi.
@@Mafiaboss0088 Dude, I don't understand the analogy but an axle mounted electric motor will not leave a hump on the rear desk like an ICE would (Tata magic iris), it need not be a Tesla motor 😅.
@@GbMuthu sirji baki components bhi toh lagana...... Engine bay me lagbhag sab fit ho jaate hai..... Aur tesla motor nhi chaiye uske tarha compact design of motor gear inverter hone se bht zada space bachega.... And plz dont compare the space in tata magic and other passengers evs..... Bht different hai dono segment..... Nhi to koi bhi tata magic to innova ev me convert kar deta. Srry if i am lil harsh while explaining. But mechanism plz samjhiye.
@@Mafiaboss0088 thanks for being polite😍🙏.
The marvel of an electric motor doubles as a generator when resistance is reversed. No differential required either. Torque is vectored electronically. & Yes, some electronic components will have to be stored under the bonnet.
Axle mounted electric motors will not intrude into the greenhouse.
Looks like u aren't very fond of the iris 🤣. But the rear axle mounted ICE dented the deck right from the days of the VW minibus.
Happy motoring 😉
@@GbMuthu i knw sirji wat am saying is in vehicles like vw buzz tata magic are different from normal cars..... U r saying about rear mounted motors..... I will go one step further we shud take approach like rivian motors motors in each wheel which will give many more advantages but thr will be rise in cost and front will drive are very much stable till 100-120kmph and much more drivable in the city.... So to keep the cost down, and keeping all the components in the engine bay and keeping the car more drivable in cities manufacturers keep the motors and components in the front thus we dont get frunk.
Open stretch of road 💫. Great spot for a big drag race!
@@sunshineswhenlight yeah.. in general I commented being an open stretch of road..
If we go by display when 0 to 100 he was doing. This will 225 or more surely. For city I think it’s good car.
Kudos to Citroën for entering market with such a banger car, damn someone at their research department must be high or something 🤣🤣
Kudos to their guys for entering such a market with such a boomer car 😂
Lol agree
The petrol fuel cap is so lazy and funny😂
Government should allow houses to b made as paycharging centre's r stations
one thing - RELIABILITY
Citroen being a global player, i expect those expertise to have the effect on this
and TATA is making amazing cars, but the reliability issues are just not acceptable, so many of them, in case of emergency if it goes kaput, who will it feel, tata needs to up the reliability game
This car’s battery doesnt even have liquid cooling technology..so in the Indian weather conditions citroen ec3 can be an atom bomb in the city😂
@@Dashamuulam it is French . Do you really think it’s reliable 😂
@@Dashamuulam thats concerning ngl..
@@sumergill1351 don't talk bullshit even French or japan, German didnt matter An effective BTMS is required to maintain EV batteries within upper and lower temperature boundaries. If the batteries get too hot or too cold, their performance can be diminished, and they can experience permanent damage. Designers can choose between a variety of passive and active cooling technologies to manage the thermal environment of EV batteries. In the longer term, higher-performance BTMS will be required to enable the use of XFC technology.
Citroen obviously makes some flagship level cars especially with their unique suspension tech......but that's only in France. In India they're offering cheap quality cars except C5 aircross and there aren't even many service outlets. Just look at the battery pack, they didn't integrate it with the platform just did jugaad with the current C3 which btw is an old C3 cause they're already selling the new one in the international market. I don't think Citroen is going to last in India if they keep doing this.....
5:14 this shows how much they care about this market!
That battery visible and nothing covering it 😮
Haven't tried on highway, also drove in Delhi traffic in last 20 days..though never exhausted complete battery but basis the calculation with AC running 90% journey in city giving range of 200 and if with 50-60 % on AC its giving 245 range
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars
EC3 is not offering the range of 320km**
once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range.
Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
Full charging can give about 220-250 highway range in eco mode. Only if you’re light footed
Done 1200 kms on this car
Pls do a vlog
Faisal sir please try to review Ashwin Singh takiar endeavour 🔥 the one and only extremely modified endeavour 🔥
Devastated by how much Citroen has cheaped out on this car! Could've been a killer vehicle if it weren't for the features,or the lack there of.
Now the competition will eventually kill this vehicle. The tiago for sure is going to be a hit and the incoming punch will be an even greater hit,literal hit to the eC3.
Other than Nexon, none of the Tata vehicles are selling well. Literally I have seen more Citroen C3 in Chennai than Punch…Harrier and Tiago combined together and that’s the reality! Except Nexon nothing is working out for them at present because of their amazing after sales service and so many flaws in the product. Safety alone won’t sell the vehicle…so Punch Ev or Tiago ev isn’t gonna kill this unless these guys provide proper product with after sales service!
yuck... who buys cars from tata motors?
@@thelionking3321 Are you serious? Look at their sales figures last month. They surpassed Hyundai to become second largest car brand of India. Not just Nexon, even Punch, Altroz, Tiago was sold in huge numbers. Numbers don't lie and biased people should have a look at it.
When C3 has been a successful car, i don't see why eC3 won't be one.
@@vijayreddy8513 lol what successful, I can count on my fingers the number of C3's I have seen on Pune roads, and I travel ~45km everyday. While I can't even count the number of Nexon ev, punch, tiago I have seen. The number of regular Nexon is even more. If tata launches ev forms of the rest of their lineup then they will eat up the majority of ev market and also the eC3.
One major point to note, batteries in eC3 are air cooled as compared to liquid cooled batteries in Tiago EV.
Whats the difference?
@@beshravanin if citroen battery overheat it could be damaged but in tiago ev there is liquid cooling to actively cool the batteries
Nice car but can't beat Tata Tiago because tata motors sales service and indian brand no issues for future services Citroen will out from India after some time 🙂
This car is so big and beautiful 😍
Thanks for the video, hope you did the first drive review of Mahendra xuv400, could you please tell me, which one is best interms of driving dynamics and comfort??
Insulation under the hood should be present, reduces NVH, please don’t say it aloud nor even Citroen would get into the realms of cost cutting
EVs are better but petrol diesel cars is love ❤️
Chalo koi toh logical baat kiya....
is it just me who noticed the real fuel filler cap still there
Electric shouldn't be the futureeeeeee 🥲😞😣😭
Electric isn't the future
Electric is present siuuuuuu🤩🤩🤩
Bio diesel is future
The future is in your hand ✊🌝
@@wingsliveff871 bruh
Can we use DC fast charger to charge this car? (Always)
Is it possible, because this one is highlighted feature from Citroen...
Fyi
This car has Prismatic Lifep04 battery aircooled. Reps told it also uses AC air to cool the battery along with external air cooling. Poor review by Faisal. When it comes to ev you need to be specific abiut range battery and tech specs.
The cells is made by SVOLT company in china. They claimed to make worlds first nickel cobalt free battery. Nickel cobalt not only polutes but also is costly. Say no to Mahindra XUV400 in this case. Poor choice of battery.
Some may say Tata has liquid cooled and has 8 years warranty on battery and motor
This has onlyy 7 years on battery and 5 years on motor. With extended warrant you can get motor covered by 2 another years..where tata cars extended warranty extends the base warranty
So its like 8 vs 7 in citron
Plus Tata batteries also carries same compoosition. But they have tried and tested cylondrical cells packed in a boxy shape and kept in back of the car with liquid coolant which can have safety hazard in case of crashes from rear side.
As we all know liquid doesnt go well with lithium batteries.
On the other hand prismatic cells are costly as of now. As they are pretty new to market . BYD uses these batteries in their cars. As time passes these batteries will become cheaoer than cylindrical shaoed batteries.
Also to mention. The prismatic cells is placed below the chasis with large surface area resulting in better cooling when in normal temp like 25 to 35.
But if the air that tocuhes the battery is hot. Then expect reduction in performancr. Although citroen tells they tested this cars for over 1 lakh kms in india for 6 months.
Real life user reviewers says ..wheb u drive rash like 80 to 100 kmph soeed. Deplete the batteey fast abd you have reached the oercentage around 20. You wanted to charge in realy hot environment. Then the charging soeed will be drastically reduced. It wont charge kike 23 to 25kwh as claimed by citroen
Real life reviews shows max it acheived was 17 to 18 kwh through zion charger.
Expect 1 hr 20 mins to charge from 10 to 80 percentage.
But if you drive at reasonable speeds say 55 to 65 kmph. Your real feel temp is not beyind 45 degrees. You can exprct better speed.
Both Tata and Citroen both has their own share of disadvantages.
In the long run Prismatic cells will be cheaoer to make abd replace..although if a single cell fails it may affect whole batteey unlike cylindrical cells in tata.
But the complexity of assembly in cylindrical is high .although you can reolace bad cells in cylindrical assembles..am not sure what Tata are doing to replacr batteries. Few told they are replacing bad batteries in the pack.
But it has to be done very carefully. Its always good to replacr and recycle the old ones..rather replacing bad cells in the pack
After comoaring both. Citroen has good susoensuon .but lack of features
Tata has given good features. But not that spacious in tiago. Make u tonwiat for tata punch obvuously will be in alpha platform maling the cost of tata punch to be more than nexon prime.would cost min 13 to 14 lakhs for base varaint..
ON other hand BYD has proved Blade prismatic cells with air cooling is far better than liquid cooled cylindrical ones.
But i am not sure what type Of prismatic cells SVOLT has made for the ec3.
I am eying on ec3 cos of its price abd spaciiius cabin. Waiting for shine ec3 variant with all the leftout features like alloy wheels electric ovrm , rear camera abd telematics and a solid 1 lakh price cut. I am ok wirh 107kmph..as i am not gonna race woth my car.
If the shine varaiant costs 13 lakh on road then i gonna buy this. suspension is the best in all the Ev which costs less than 20 lakhs.
I am kind of guy who do hyper miling..im amn damn sure i can extract 250 to 260km rangr from this one. With tiago one can easiky get 220 to 230km at constant 60kmph speeds. This can easily fo 250 to 260 with decent speeds.
> car with liquid coolant which can have safety hazard in case of crashes from rear side.
As we all know liquid doesnt go well with lithium batteries.
Water is not used as the cooling refrigerant in EVs with liquid cooling, it is standard alcohol based coolant (ethylene glycol) alcohols are non conductive compounds since they are organic in nature. Further, the conductivity does not matter anyway because the coolant is closed loop ie it never comes in direct contact with the individual cell. The cell itself has a aluminium covering and the coolant runs in similar copper or aluminium pipe network around the cells.
Even in case of collision, it is unlikely that the case of the cells and the cooling lines will break simultaneously -- so in all probability, firstly, there is no way for coolant and the lithium in cell to come in direct contact with each other, and in the unfortunate accidental event when it does, the insulating properties of the coolant won't cause any further escalation like fire or blast
Handful of info. Just wanted to confirm this
1) where do you get the info related to prismatic cell?
2) I do read that there no shine variant for eC3 as rear wheels and rear camera can be added via addons. But automatic ORVM gonna miss. What do you mean by Telematics? I can see Citroen Connect app will display info about the driving, is this you are referring to ?
3) Price cut? Really? I dont think there will be any price cut as this car sales are good. They are doing almost 300 numbers a month and for new brand it is good.
Please reply if you have confirmation related to eC3 shine and price cut from official sources.
No link in the description to buy it ? 😢
Tiny electric cars make no sense at all with barely any range. At this cost people will be wanting just 1 car for all their needs and this car leaves a lot to be desired. Citroen should consider bringing in the larger Evs here to get some popularity
Citron C3 is good car in Petrol version just like wagon r it is looks like rebaged Maruti wagon r from citron
Seems like a good ev taxi
Is a c3 turbo petrol worth buying?? Keep hearing that c3 is dead nd the company is not doing good with sales. They aren't heavily invested in India nd might even pack Up nd leave!! How true is this?? Faisal tell me what u think? It wud be a hard earned 10lacs spent if I buy this car. What do u guys think???
Faisal, ur honest opinion pls?
love it .. only thing that worries me is air cooled battery !
It is made by CATL which is a world leader in battery technology so no worries
Yup, In Indian conditions air never cools anything. It usually heats things.
They are using LFP batteries
They are very stable and good as it doesn't generate heat as it happens with lithium ion so air cooled is more than enough
Why all companies are trying to make fool of customers, why they're claiming 300+kms range when the car in actual not able to cross 200 kms? They're cheating, same with Tata.
what if we hit battery casing in pot holes will thier impact .
The battery will easily get damaged because the ground clearance is very very low! It will be huge costing blow!
Tata more sense, than MG or Citroen in their respective Segments
It's us vs electric 😍
Good for city usage.
I wish there was more petrol in this world
You and me aren't fan of EVs. We both are diesel heads 👾👻
Fan nhi toh light ban jaiye
@@Mafiaboss0088 is that a joke ?? are we supposed to laugh ?
@@soorajtr6692 yes it was! But aaj nhi toh kal nhi toh parso nhi toh tarso nhi toh.......... Fan ban hi jaoge jab real evs like a science fiction movies will come in the future aur jab nukkad nukkad pe super high speed charging or may be no charging needed wali cars launch ho jayegi..... Finger crossed
For a sec I thought the playback speed of this video is on 1.5X 😂😂. Very efficiently covered all the specs.
Better than tiago ev?😂no electric mirror adjustments,no climate control,no defogger,not even a rear wiper,heavy road noise,90s cellphone as MID,no fast charging,underpowered,cheap looking interiors..yeah better than tiago ev💀😂
Super and detailed video sir ❤😊
The car is just adequate enough for city.. all they need to do is price this aggressively and push some adverts
Kindly open your eyes on the cheating done with your cells in the battery pack of your EV cars
EC3 is not offering the range of 320km**
once you charge the car to 100% it only offers a range of 230km and in real use it comes down to 180 to 200 only. Make a note once you charge the EC3 to around 60% it shows the range of 210. rest 40% charge only added to 20km of the range.
Its because the cells in the battery pack are missing. This should be taken to court
No liquid cooling for battery, which is 100% essential for a EV car in Indian climate .. All the two - three wheelers have air cooled battery and that ends in 3 years. Citroen also have air cooling
Battery warranty 7 years , TIago 8
Motor warranty 5 years, Tiago 8
No adjustable regen braking - which is a must for Indian roads
No cruise control - which helps to save battery in highway
low power compare to Tiago
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yes C3 is better than TIago EV !!
This is like a WagonR from 10 years ago in terms of interior.
Battery is from BYD
3:43 Faisal kicking the French ass😂😂😂
Reverse camera can be added as an accessory on pre booking
The electric car will only stabilize the crude oil price. Which is a good thing
It doesn't get alloy wheel... all four variants of Citroen ec3 do not offer alloy wheel.. but 15inch steel wheel..
'Citroen decided to skimp on features' Seriously ? That's all you're going to say about everything the eC3 is not offering ? That car has NOTHING and you happily chose to skip that with a one liner. That car costs 11.5Lacs and has nothing that Tiago is offering apart from a larger battery and more space.
Tiago long range battery offers 24 kw
Sir plz show the car key as you say....
I am driving this this is xyz car in video 🙂🙏
Really No rear camera for 10-lakh car ?
Battery projected outside which is prone to bumps
How is it compared to c3 turbo ?
Off late Faisal is going anti Tata…🤔🤔🤔🤔
V should not make lots of charging stations v should have only required number of charging station at remote areas houses should be allowed to b made as pay chargeing center's
Similar look like x cross colour also matches
"center passenger does not get head" 😭
citroen should increase price by 2 lakhs but give better quality and features
i mean today manufacturers are giving 360 camera and this car don't have any
manually adjusted mirrors, no apple car play and many more
You are wrong here, it has wireless apple car play and many essential features which are needed.
Blank Spaces in the engine suggests a petrol conversion .
But I didn't see Citroën in the autoexpo 2023
Horn is actually a lot loud from out.....
Like it, simple, straightforward EV.
Title should be changed to tiago ev is better
Level of cost cutting
You are like 1.25x in playback speed ... which is nice...
What's the expected price Faisal??
Under 10 lakh
This is not EV😂 This is joke 😂 How much cost change the battery later in Citroen servis?
tiago EV range 213-215
citreon ec3 range 240-265
The world should give a thought to flex fuels, hybrids and all. Not jump on the electric bandwagon
Faisal bhai pls let me know if you are coming Bangalore would love to meet 😊
When will they launch their ami
This car how many camar you have
Do not buy the car till they install full circumference weather strip rubber for all the four doors and the trunk.
Sir!! where is the location. Please tell me
India does not need many charging points every house shall b made as charging stations if v pay them all if house r made to pay and charger points most of the houses shall b made as charging station
Is any EV has resale value?
dont u think battery wud touch higher speed breakers .?
Love it
But hey faisal khan Tata tiago ev is much much better than citroen ec3 when compared to premiumness and value for money
why don't manufacturers give diesel hybrid?
Omg..... Pollution at its highest 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dijal hybrid 🤣😂😂😂
Bro the back guy just bumped forward. During breaking 😂😂 I can c him in the mirror