When the Marvel Cinematic Universe's continuity is on point: The Incident - Part Two
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2022
- How life changed after the Battle of New York.
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I love how netflix's continuity treated the battle of new york with more gravitas than the actual mcu
The Defenders saga was the actual MCU
well they are on the actual streets of NY, while the MCU in based in the entire universe
The plaque they show in Hawkeye was pretty nice
Hawkeye in general has this energy where it feels everyone is still recovering from the battle of New York
The reason why Netflix's MCU shows (Which Marvel Studios asked Netflix to develop because they didn't have Disney+ at the time) treated the Battle of New York with more gravitas than the mainstream MCU is because that was their objective as they focused on the grounded Marvel characters during the Infinity War Saga while Marvel Studios focused on the Avengers during the Infinity War Saga, to show how detached the Avengers were to the common people, which is why Spider-Man chose to be the only Avenger that looks after the "little guys" whether the threats they face are "Avenger Level" or not.
@@LightStreak567 Not quite. Marvel Studios passed on the idea of developing a Daredevil film after getting the rights back from Fox in 2012 and passed it off to Marvel Television, who started developing the Defenders shows, and shopped them out to a number of streaming platforms, and Netflix was the highest bidder. Netflix didn't actually make the shows, they just broadcasted them.
this stuff is why i loved the old marvel tv, it showed how the people on the ground handled things
It always felt like, rather than the shows happening in the world of the movies, the movies were happening in the world of the shows. We should follow the SHIELD team or Claire Temple or the Runaways experiencing everyday life, and then that world would be punctuated by the big events of the movies, and then we'd see the little people picking up the pieces.
I'm not sure D+ will ever be able to recreate that feeling of living in that world. The new shows still feel like isolated events, rather than a world and the people living in it day by day
As a native New Yorker, seeing this amount of detail put into world-building is just so inspiring and fascinating. Wish they kept this level of watching optional rather than making every other Disney+ show a homework assignment to understand the next big thing.
9:24 I wonder how the local News channel got that Iron Man footage from the AGE OF ULTRON movie ... That scene was the one when Tony replied to Ultron- "Like the old man said..Together"
3:27 That transition lmao
Still makes me giggle lmao
@@krisostomoyabarrera2255 Same x)
Fun fact: 1:25 Daredevil Season 1 (Which takes place in the 1st quarter of 2015, during Agents of SHIELD Season 2 and before Avengers Age of Ultron) revealed that the Battle of NY mostly damaged Midtown west of Tony Stark's tower (and the Chrysler Building) to Hell's Kitchen, and Hawkeye Season 1 officially confirmed that Hell's Kitchen was the most devastated by the Battle of NY. The creators of the Daredevil show (Which acted somewhat independent from Marvel Studios at first) found the opportunity to use the Battle of NY to make Hell's Kitchen the beat up, grungy district of NYC that is depicted in Frank Miller's Daredevil comic books, because in real life, Hell's Kitchen, despite its name, isn't exactly hellish at all.
And at 4:15, guess what? I learned that the first episode of Iron Fist Season 1 takes place 5 days after Stephen Strange's car accident that messed up his fingers! Doctor Strange's car accident happened in Groundhog Day (Feb 2nd) of 2016, and the 1st episode of Iron Fist happens in Chinese New Year's day (Feb 7th), because at one point Danny hides from assassins during the Chinese New Year parade.
God I hate that the Accords are just repealed with one throwaway line of dialogue. So cheap and lazy after the reverence the Accords were given in the MCU on both big and small screen. I really hope they talk about the repeal more but there was no single greater opportunity for this than in She-Hulk.
Imagine if the entire premise of the show was for Jen to be the lead lawyer on the case to repeal the Accords. That’s an 8 episode story if I’ve ever seen one and you could easily still have Blonsky, Wong, Hulk, Matt Murdoch and a ton of other cameos while Jen puts together her case resulting a finale that has her completing her mission. Stories like these write themselves.
There is the possibility it happened during the blip, which is a period of time we have scarce information about.
@@JSeedProductions The accords were mentioned during Wandavision, so they likely were still in place after the blip
But the accords essentially CAUSED the blip. It isn't hard to figure out why they may have been repealed
That story would have been okay, but it wouldn't really have been about Jen
@@PenneySounds it could’ve been. In the same way Civil War was a Cap story. She could’ve still had a secondary romance plot, there could’ve been a group trying to get her blood or trying to discredit or even kill her due to many shadowy figures and entities benefitting from the Accords. You could even make it an origin story with some tweaks but I think they really missed a trick not having her origin take place during the blip. She could’ve had the accident like in the comics and have to have an infusion from Bruce due to the number of donors and doctors being decimated….
What we got, in my opinion, was the worst show Marvel have ever produced.
@@OptimysticPessimyst What we got was spectacular, specifically because it subverts the kinds of tropes you're describing
That's what i love about the MCU, it was like the real world since the franchise's universe (or in the case of X Men, Tobey and Andrew's Spider Man, and Venom since they're part of the franchise via multiverse but we're not talking about it) is more immersive.
if the mcu had spider-man in it with his similarly small scale street level stories we'd have even more of this
It would be cool to have like a small thing of text in the corner saying where the clips come from. Cause ive never really kept up with the shows so i have no clue what the context is
My hope is that the mystery of the out-of-context clips might motivate more people who haven't seen these underappreciated shows to give them a try.
I remember laughing out loud when I first saw Rogers the Musical on the Hawkeye series.
Never expected to be slapped in the face with a she hulk clip
i was like
Get this shit out of my face, nnnnow😂
For those who are already typing "Kevin Feige said the Marvel Television shows aren't canon", go ahead and try to find a quote where he actually said that. You won't find one. Stop listening to clickbait misinformation.
If these were canon the mcu would be even more destroyed.
@@patrickbliss9264 They are canon, and they vastly improve the franchise
i think they keep lying to themselves that it isn't canon only because they cant find themselves the time to go back and watch the marvel netflix saga
@@somerandom414 The foreword from Feige in that book is specifically talking about NON-MCU material.
Charlie Cox said no such thing. Do not post lies on my channel.
The multiverse has nothing to do with the matter. These shows take place in the 616 universe.
Feige has let Sony trample all over the MCU. Are you kidding me? Are you incapable of saying anything that's true?
@@somerandom414 That's video of Charlie Cox speculating about what a reboot could be like, not him saying a reboot was happening. He literally says "All speculative". Try again.
Sony has shoehorned their garbage material into the MCU, as well as put MCU characters into their garbage films. Maybe you missed Venom in No Way Home and Toomes in Morbius? Sony should never have been allowed to do any of that.
This series of videos is excellent, keep it up!
Thank you, I've been working on this one all week. The Shawarma video was going to be part of it but I decided to make it separate. If you can spread these around, I'd be grateful.
It's a shame we never got to see William Hurt Hulk out but it'll be fun to see Harrison Ford doing it instead
Personally I think they should go with Sam Elliott
Those videos make me miss Agents of Shield even more
Seriously.
blaming the avengers is a dumb plot point. did they cause damage... sure, but option b was to let an alien force wipe out and enslave humanity. I'll take option a
They should blame SHIELD for activating the Tesseract to begin with.
Now Sokovia? That was the Avengers' fault, 100%
I apologise to anyone from French-speaking countries, but part 3 is blocked in those regions by a copyright claim, and I'm worried that disputing it would result in the video being taken down entirely. France really needs to get some fair use laws, because most of the copyright problems my Marvel videos have are coming from French distribution companies.
Here's a link:
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Back when they cared about being one universe and tieing everything together. Now its just "lets introduce new characters and lore and forget everything that has come before endgame, and lets not tie anything together." Quantity over quality will always suck.
Phases 1-3 each film built off of each other, agents of shield did what they could to keep up with the main MCU. The Netflix series had those tiny details that just made it feel part of the universe.
Now we have so many different storylines that i don't think even Kevin can pull together. The MCU definitely needs to reevaluate everything before moving forward, and start tieing up open storylines before starting new ones.
It's the multiverse stuff that's the problem. They don't seem to understand that it's better to have one good version of a character than a hundred boring versions.
@@PenneySounds man, I can talk about the MCU all day, while I have enjoyed most of the post endgame films and series (not Thor 4) it just seems so disconnected and disjointed.
Like what's the main storyline?
What are the ten rings?
What's going on with the eternals and arishem?
When are we going to see the black knight and blade?
Are we getting the young avengers or not?
I guess Kang is done with.
What about the thunderbolts?
Too many open storylines.
Thanks for the videos btw, it makes me want to watch agents of shield again, love that show.
@@Skypost4ever They're definitely taking too long to pay off some of the sequel bait they're establishing. But the pandemic had a big part of that, and so did the strikes.
I love how they changed the statue in front of Grand Central Station.
Especially after showing it getting smashed
It seems whether the avengers saved the city or not, they'll still be blamed for the damage caused
I know right. In Man of Steel, Superman and General Zod’s fight caused a lot of damage all over Metropolis. More damage than the Avengers New York battle against the aliens.
Great video
Jesus I had no idea half of new york got destroyed.
The wormhole opened right over Grand Central, because Stark Tower is where the MetLife building is in the real world. Cap had the cops set up a perimeter to the south at 39th street, but how do you contain giant space whales? Seems they must have gone west and done a lot of damage in Hell's Kitchen. Something that allowed Wilson Fisk to take control of a lot of properties, directly or indirectly.
And I didn't think to include it here, but in Endgame we saw that some of the cruisers had made it all the way south to Bleecker Street, and the Ancient One was fighting them on the roof of the Sanctum Sanctorum.
We really only saw a fraction of the battle in the movie. There are deleted scenes from the movie that show a lot more of what everyday people went through.
Stark upgraded the engines of the hell carrier because of his up close encounter with the old one once again tony stark learns from his mistakes
Going from all those scenes then to she hulk, they really need to slow down productions on stuff so the CG can be better. It wasn't that noticeable in the show but compared to all the stuff before it really stands out
Even the most rushed CG effects in She Hulk don't look any worse than the CG characters on Agents, like Hive.
@@PenneySoundsexcept that agents was a lower budget show and non exactly canon. She hulk is
@@Vincenzopgl It wasn't on a lower budget, it just had more episodes per season and had to stretch the budget across them. AKA network television, not miniseries-format streaming. And yes, it is canon.
The effects in She Hulk range from television quality to film quality depending on the shot. You can't expect film quality in every shot.
I find it hypocritical of Gen. Ross to conveniently leave out his part in the attack in the Harlem.
I don't trust ross after those stunts of going after the hulk and trying to replicate his power to create more hulks for war
We'll see what he gets up to in the upcoming movies and shows. Though he will be played by Harrison Ford now apparently, since William Hurt passed.
@@PenneySounds he'll probably be in thunderbolts
@@PenneySoundsnot the first time that a MCU Character got the “Darren Stevens” treatment.
Why do people blame the Avengers for New York? It was Hydra's fault, maybe Shield's fault for not being able to spot their enemy.
As we see so often in the real world, people often redirect their fears and frustrations at an easily visible and convenient scapegoat, instead of looking at the real causes
@PennySounds extremely well said
New York was technically SHIELD's fault...DC was Hydra, Sokovia was Tony Stark himself
i don't think the rogers musical was until after endgame tho right? or am i wrong?
Something like that
yes, it happened around Christmas of 2024 or 25'
@@isaiahwatkins1502 I'm not sure it was new when Barton saw it though. I think ads for it were seen in other things that take place much earlier. Spider-Man swung past the banner for the musical at the start of No Way Home, which takes place right after Far From Home ends.
@@PenneySounds That's true.
Which MCU movie is this avengers?? And what season sorry for all the questions but it's beautiful and I love it
These are from all across the MCU. The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, Luke Cage, WHIH Newsfront, Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Iron Fist, The Defenders, Captain America: Civil War, Slingshot, Avengers: Infinity War, She Hulk
I miss the subtle street level era of early MCU. But not gonna lie I always feel irked everytime they mention the "incident" in those Netflix series lol.
5:58 what show is this from?
Agents of SHIELD season 3
Season 4@@PenneySounds
@@PitZagufull Whoops, you're right
5:56 Why is this so funny?
The sound and music in the scene goes to silence just before the explosion and it ends up seeming comical instead of tragic. They should have added some kind of sound there to suggest something bad was coming.
@@PenneySoundsAs well as muted sounds of the invasion.
O UCM fica bem melhor com a séries da netflix e da ABC. Agentes da Shield e as séries da Netflix são bem melhores do que as séries da Disney+.
Stan Lee :(
🟢 It would be super helpful to have a small subtitle callout in the corner that said what movie/show/episode each clip is from. I have not seen some of these and it would be great to way to chase them down! Love these! Maybe you could use chapter markers?
Wouldn't it be more fun to just watch the entire MCU and find these moments as they happen?
@@PenneySoundsat this point, I can’t even keep up with how expansive the MCU is these days and I’m not even sure how to find some of these, not to mention the order.
@@PenneySoundsNot again. But watching them out of order to follow these subplots would be fun.
@@PenneySoundsThe MCU has like 50+ movies/shows/shorts. The average person would take years to catch up.