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How Third Parties Can Help Break the US Ruling Class’s Stranglehold Over Politics, w/ Eugene Puryear
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
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How did the US end up with a two-party dictatorship? Are Trump and Biden really the only options? Does lesser evil voting work? If it’s meant to prevent the worst case scenario, then how come it didn’t prevent the genocide in Gaza? Is third party voting really as useless and fascist enabling as Democrats say?
To discuss this and more Rania Khalek was joined by BT’s Eugene Puryear. (Recorded July 10.)
This is just part of this episode. The full interview is available for Breakthrough News Members only. Become a member at / breakthroughnews to access the full episode and other exclusive content.
Eugene is one of the smartest people I know of. I’ve learned so much from him. Thank you! 🙏
Agreed! He has a really engaging way of explaining things that is so helpful! Rania too. I love a good Eugene + Brian Becker conversation on the socialist program!
You need to meet more people. Puryear is a friend of the CCP.
A third party is not allowed to debates. Some democracy!
We are dyarchy, not a democracy
Let them hold their own!!!
Let's think outside the prison cell box, shall we?!?
@@wuw385 They already have had two debates. 😕 And clearly the MSM does not bring it up.
@@Madaboutmada excellent then, ty! I was def unaware as a US citizen living outside that crazy country.
Where can I find them?
The US is a democracy= Mob rule right? If any thing it's a oligarchy at best
For much of my working life I was employed as a Merchant Marine officer. For weeks, sometimes months, a kaleidoscopic array of the human species worked and laughed together in close quarters towards a common goal. It was a beautiful, often very fun and satisfying experience. I am here to tell you that the divisionism and animosity that exists in this world today are "manufactured". As long as We the People contend with each other on perceived differences, then the our "leaders' will continue to subvert the well-being of us ALL. The natural "metabolism" of the World's People has been subsumed by global oligarchs with very selfish, "undemocratic" intentions. Ironically, it feels comforting to be an old man.
So many things I didn't know about US political history!! Thank you Eugene ❤
Well said 2 party dictatorship , I think eventually will become one party dictatorship
Already is. 😂😂
@@StateOfPurgatory
Two party - one class. Class of oligarchy bourgeoisie that sponsors and owns both of the parties.
The existence of two parties will remain to keep illusion of choice in masses of working people.
As george galloway says of the british system, It's two cheeks on the same butt. They have to maintain the theory that there are two so that they can be the lesser evil. If they were to merge , it would create space where a second party could come about which they have nothing to do with.
Very nuanced and concise! Great work shared and listed.
The game is rigged, there's no doubt about that.
It was designed to keep a certain minority in charge from the get go.
Thank you for moving this discourse forward. We need revolutionary thinking in these times!
Jill Stein anti war and finally someone with a brain
can't vote for her, ohio does not allow any 3rd parties. no Libertarian or Green.
@@stalkingtigerscom can the voter still WRITE IN a candidate?
@@stalkingtigerscomnot true. Libertarian candidates and Greens have been on the ballot in the past in Ohio. stein’s signatures just submitted. PSL candidate Claudia De la Cruz will also be on the Ohio ballot, having gotten over 10k signatures.
Write in Donald duck at least they know that you went to vote and they didn't get it.
@@akeleven Vote for who you want so if one of the ruling elites win they know they do not have a mandate. If it's trump we all know that he doesn't care about trivial details like that but Congress will take heed...
Saying US is a democracy is like saying biden can run up the stairs without stumbling.
i wonder who your voting for lmao
😂😂😂😂😂😂Lordy be
Why are you doing this?
@@arabcadabra8863 US is an oligarchy with rising inequality
The US is a democracy.
Very good channel,.. thank you.❤
YES! Rania and Eugene twice in one week ❤
I remember when I was young in Europe there were so many parties
Thirdy party now. A real left party.
Other Western nations have several political parties...
Fascism is growing rapidly
Amerika has always been fascist, the model that Hitler, Mussolini, etal. have always looked to for "inspiration."
@@anthonynewkirk655Not America the United States 🌎 America are 34 countries!
@@ileanahernandez1709 Quite true.... That's why I spelled it with k....
Rania❤
27:41 excellent analysis of our state of affairs, very scary time.
Wow ! Appreciate The Education 💚💐🦋
Intentionally hurting another country's economy is the US standard of success. Are they teaching kids to behave this way in schools?
Yes. It is taught as "the USA making the world safe for democracy" 🙃
This is what causes resentment around the world
This is a great question wow
The sad thing is that many Americans still believe they have democracy, and want the rest of the world to admire them and adopt their system. And the world is waking up and laughing
Democracy or Hypocracy ?
Aside: Hi, Eugene, over here! ❤
EXACTLY 💯
it's what I keep saying, the uni party has become too cozy,
REMOVE THEIR COZINESS.
My political sign says "Never Trump Never Again Biden I'm Voting for Jill Stein.... Again"
uhh, that sounds like word salad. maybe it makes more sense if you see it?? cuz reading it.....
@@kylezo I totally understood this, but RIF.
Good.
I've seen
"Abandon Biden, Dump Trump and Join Jill!"
Yes, word of the day.... structural! Yes!
They said they're the pioneer of democracy system but they have only two parties n two Oldman candidate 😂
By design
2 party system is really a One party system with now no difference between them. Just as twiddle du and twiddle dum are carbon copy of one another.
damn this segment was 🔥🔥🔥
"Harm reduction" voting is pointless when both candidates are unacceptable! The choice between either WWIII (or at least massive military expansion, which means policing domestically) or having all my rights as a trans person in the US is not pragmatic! The system has served the rich and elite from its founding and will continue to do so until it is dismantled and replaced with something that represents the working class.
How can the rules be changed so that third parties can vote in Democratic Primaries in all states?
I am there with you
It’s a system
Legal corruption.. Embedded in the job duties.
This system needs reconstruction
You seriously put the rest of this conversation behind a pay wall? People really need to hear this stuff and it needs to be shared out.
True 100%, but they're need of the money.😊
And because of that they left almost an hour to be free. People need to be paid, especially when touching on subjects big businesses won’t fund.
@@pixie7349Yeah channels like this have pretty high production values. In order to fix this we would need to establish public media genuinely controlled by the whole working class.
Very good , I agree , we don’t have time
This is very interesting perspective
I love❤ this man! He tells it what it is!! In a very intelligent way ❤❤❤
Who do think own corporate media? AND good grief, Biden said nothing will change!
Our voting system is garbage that prevents it. You should cover/interview better voting systems, such as STAR Voting. Not ranked choice as it had a major flaw the way it's done
Thank you! Thank you so much! Yes! I try to tell these dingbats 😂
I talk to my older brother about third parties and never quite know how to answer some of these questions. Will definitely listen to this again.
Those who say that a third party candidate cannot win will vote for it, that candidate would win by a LANDSLIDE.
A third party with stated principles, and who consitantly follows those principles, would force the other two parties to repond to public opinion. At the present time both parties act in hypocritical manner. When Politicians say they support something you can longer accept
their statements. I can respect parties that follow their principles, even when I disagree.
Rania looking fine!
Always!!!
Brilliant, Eugene!
Please don't tell us utube viewers that this is only part of the interview. 😢
The US must set up another political party besides the Republican and the Democrat to give the american voters another choice. Are the voters not feeling bored and tired with only these two to choose from for so so many years and playing the same kind of money politics. Mind boggling
Reform political funding rules - max $1000 per REGISTERED & publicly revealed ELECTOR
Excellent 👍
Fantastic discussion though dont think restricting immigration to non-invasion levels is fascistic. The MAMs coming in are just as likely as not going to end up in military/police forces used to suppress America. Curious as to why you didnt mention the 2013 PU study by Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page on divergence between public opinion vs policy outcomes.
All the way , I need to learn
That is an obvious illustration of the Capitalist dynamic from Eugene, thank you.
Of for gawd sakes!! Wake the heck up. You CAN NOT change the system from within. Open your eyes! Gatekeeper🙄
Lincoln didn't 'end slavery' he signed a bill that allowed Confederate slaves to be confiscated and join the Union Army.
Much of the difference between the two parties is centered on social and cultural areas. While most Americans have fairly progressive views, remember that a minority ultra right religious group have succeeded in pushing their views and get Republicans elected to state and local governments. This works well with the ultra wealthy capitalist class, that favor Republicans as well. It is structural in terms of the Lesser of Two Evils consideration, as you discussed.
There are good third party candidates, but whether they can get on the ballot in all states and win the electoral college. If they actually had a good chance of both, it would be a big improvement and the political landscape would be different. Even a parliamentary system would potentially lead to a better place.
I haven’t decided on one candidate yet, although I am saying a big NO to Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation and a continuation of awful anti woman policies that risk lives.
Read the Project 2025. Don’t think it can’t or won’t happen to you or won’t hurt you. It will. It isn’t about owning the Libs. It is about having decent living standards for everyone that isn’t rich.
If you’re in a swing state that doesn’t have third party candidates on the ballot, you could write their name in. Other than that, you choose Dem or Repub.
That’s one way both main parties manipulate people. They imply it will be taking votes away from their party candidate and it will be YOUR FAULT.
For everyone
I have always voted third party in my country Puerto Rico 🇵🇷💚 and this coming November elections we are probably going to win because two minority parties have united.
Great program guys!
They might stop breaking their promises if the got voted out every time they do.
Three parties are too complicated for American mind. Even two parties lead to chaos.
TRUTH BEING TOLD
.B1
or you could try democracy, and dispense with politicians. until you do, don't get your hopes up.
Communist economist and computer scientist Paul Cockshott makes a convincing case that we should be agitating for direct democracy. He has some good talks on YT.
Relax don’t shake your leg , breath , you are awesome love you both
Eugene said that the “cops draw their lineage from the slave patrols”
He also said “no good pig in a racist system!“
Vote against ANY evil.
Yes, we NEED more options. These two are corrupt.
That is why it called Capitalism , means big
Jill Stein 2024 💚✊🏾✌🏾
JILLSTEIN2024 ❤❤❤❤
We have a dyarchy.
It’s 2 side of a coin with the same picture. It is not a democratic system when the directive ruling is coming from AIPAC
Or injected in the culture
Lovely lovely lovely
Goddamn Eugene, preach!✊🫡
Great discus...thank you both. I'm all fired up to help get Jill on the Massachusetts's ballot.
The problem with real capitalism is that real capitalism makes rich people poorer over time as prices drop due to fair competition. There are factors that can mitigate and change the progression curve of this effect but chances are the trend over time will continue if competition is fair. This means that capitalism will tend to become something else gradually if those with power don't have some ideology that prevents them from maximizing profits in service to some other goal. It basically means capitalism can't actually exist as a viable solitary system as far as I can tell. You have to hybridize it because power dynamics will cause that to happen anyway and absent a guiding alturistic ideology it will hybridize in a way that makes society as a whole unhappy which is not good for anyone including the wealthy in the long run.
you're so excellent
theres a forward party, libertarian party, green party, and a bunch of other ones that people can notate below with a reply.
There’s been studies done by American scholars on the direct correlation between the amount of mainstream media airtime a presidential candidate gets and the votes they end up getting. It’s almost a 1:1 correlation
Corps rule.
The differences are PURELY rhetorical. In office the rhetoric ALWAYS gets back-pedalled to accomodate the donors.
Some people use the word ‘predatory’ in connection with capitalism to create the illusion that there’s a form of capitalism that isn’t inherently predatory; but in fact, capitalism doesn’t even work without the opportunity for exploitation, which is the very nature of the predator: to take advantage of, exploit or prey upon the disadvantaged, the disabled, those in need of healthcare and the financially or otherwise vulnerably handicapped. This is the reason that what the United States calls competition is rightly perceived by China as confrontation; because where there is competition, there’s always a confrontation between the competing parties with a winner and a loser and quite often more than one loser. Rightly or wrongly, however, it certainly is NOT, nor can it be seen as an effort at cooperation. The capitalist system depends on a growing economy (or profit expansion) to work properly, but the banking system is based on the creation of debt which gets back to the predatory nature of capitalism and the reason for the creation of the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund. Anyway, the point is that it just doesn’t work for the common everyday people. It only works for those who are already well CAPITALIZED to funnel wealth from the bottom up.
In the Soviet Union you had the dictatorship of the proletariat.
In the US you have the dictatorship of the capitalist class.
They cannot so there it is. 😊
Vote Blue Vote Biden Vote Peace ✌️ 😅
I like connection to of 3rd parties to original Republican Party!
I still don't know what you guys mean by fascism. Yes a world not driven by corporate profits would be great..but if it's going to be even more dangerous and disorderly than it is now, what's the point? Also, how are you going to provide housing and healthcare for everyone if millions of people are streaming over the border every year to get free housing and healthcare? Please explain.
How do we overcome the fascism? Economic opportunity for everybody sounds like a good solution. Tell me how we get a third party that will actually challenge the two so that they know they have to change or face the music. I think Bernie could have succeeded as third-party but Democrats seduced him by allowing him to run as a Democrat
I love PSL, but I think it's a bit dishonest not to acknowledge that this is a PSL media channel.
Eugene also said he supported what happened at the Re'im music festival massacre
Donors, not voters, decide elections in the USA. Until money is strictly excluded from politics (with stiff prison time for violating the separation of money from politics, the USA will NEVER know DEMOCRACY (as opposed to DE- MOCK- CRAZY; of OLIGARCIC RULE OF THE ONE-TENTH OF ONE PERCENT.
The definition of capitalism is private ownership and free markets.
The definition that best defines the economy of the US is feudalism, where the government dictates who is allowed to own property and participate in the markets/economy. It's not the other businesses that decide these things it's your government, survival of the monopolies that can get away with treating their employees and customers the lousiest. None of the government propped up companies would still be in business in a real capitalism.
And you two tools are selling the ruling slaver's lies on this issue, because you are what is referred to as fake friends, but real enemies.
I don’t believe that , o vote for Claudia
Believe what??
I love your show, but this one is crucial, and paywalling a significant portion of it will simply keep this message from poorer members of the left who could help those of us who vote 3rd party.
Saludos a su interesante canal de análisis. No se mucho de política de su país, pero se que este canal o medio es para personas sensatas e inteligentes a modo de recomendación si tienen una tercera vía independiente y creo que seria la joven Acacia Cortes , ella se ve inteligente y con propuestas creo que ella es de California. RECUERDEN si Francia pudo en pocos días darle la vuelta a la votación ustedes también pueden... Saludos cordiales desde Zacatecas, Mexico.
He estado siguiendo todos los debates de los candidatos a la presidencia y la mejor preparada para ser presidente es la F
Dra. Jill Stein del Partido G
Verde ( Green Party).
Jill Stein has my vote this year
There might not be a China if Japan's expansion hadn't been curbed. The same thing China is attempting to do in the Asian region. A region that holds half the world's population (China and India) i.e. market.
Informative. If only we could get voters especially people of color to understand this.
Let me let you know something I am an American I live in the USA I don't give 2 hells what happens in Gaza if you did any homework you would know that if Egypt is not interfering with the war right next to them why would people who are thousands and thousands of miles away give 2 hells.
💚Jill Stein for President 2024💚
Please interview Jill Stein
Claudia/Karina !! #votesocialist2024
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I think Claudia De La Cruz is one of my favorite candidates however Dr. Jill Stein is much better prepared to step in to the presidency immediately. I've listened to both and just wished Claudia would join the Green 💚 Party. I also believe in Independence for my country Puerto Rico 🇵🇷💚 and she's very clear on the need for our Independence now. We no longer want to be a colony of any country be it Spain or the United States.! Viva Puerto Rico Libre 🇵🇷💚! Our Independence Party is also Green 💚!
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Breakthrough news has good information but they are so boring to listen to.
SS SHOULD = Minimum WAGE monthly income $2400 per month ASAP + inflation = Medicare that covers All cost$ + $$$s For Grandkids & Children ..