Monday Mix Tips: How to get a Huge Drum Room Sound
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2019
- You guys asked for longer videos & more tutorials... here's a very cool trick I just learned to make a small drum room sound larger!
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Many thanks to Jason Constantine for the killer tip!
About Spectre Sound Studios:
I'm Glenn Fricker, engineer here at Spectre Sound Studios. I love making records, and after doing it for sixteen years, I want to pass on what I've learned. On my channel you can find tutorials on how to record guitar, bass, real drums and vocals. There's reviews and demos of tube amps, amp sims, drums, mics, preamps, outboard gear, Electric Guitar, Bass Guitar, and plugin effects.
We've covered Moon on the Water, played Bias FX, given you the absolute best in Stupid Musician Texts, ranted & raved about bass guitar, and this channel is where The Eagle has Landed.
Everything you've wanted to learn about recording Hard Rock & Heavy Metal can be found right here on this channel!
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"Roomus, Biggus" - some ancient greek drum engineer when he build his pyramid as echo chamber.
Great, now I've gotta go watch The Life of Brian!
Biggus Dickus. Best Reference Ever !!!
That sounds more like Latin
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@Alden Leo instablaster ;)
Thank you for tutorial! I am preparing to record drum kit for the first time in my life, and your tutorials are just golden mine of knowledge!
That is an awesome reverb plugin. I will definitely be playing with that in the near future. Thanks, Glenn.
This was awesome. Thanks, Glenn.
amazing, what a great tutorial! made my drums sound HUGE!
Great tip, I've tried it this evening and it's amazing! The drums really come alive!
I wasnt even aware that there was studio room simulator in Waves & ive had it for a year! These type of videos are the best Glenn has done!
Great stuff dude, keep it up!
Killer sound. Thanks for this!
Hey Glenn, like always, excellent information. Thank you very much
Thanks for the mixing tips Glenn!
Hey Glenn. Thank you for making these awesome videos. Because you put these out it inspired me to attempt to record drums.
Great sounding kick sound Glen, Mmm the first real compliment I've ever given you, enjoy as they will be rare.
Was not expecting those results. Definitely trying this out as my drum room is also small. Thanks Glenn!
@@JasonCGuitarOfficial looking forward to it!
Very cool! Really liked that San Francisco hall sound, very old school and gave me the expectation of a guitar diving in at any second... Another great video!
So cool. I have done the same in a variety of ways. I will definitely use this on my latest mix!
Best drum sound comes from cupping every mic you use to record them. Even better if you download free drum samples from the internet and use those! *Dear Glenn, haista vittu!*
but be aware that only singers can cup the mic. so, when you're in the studio, bring along a few singers.
or get a Bananadyne EH4000 ultimate microphone enhancer.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Can I get a link in the description!!!!!!$$$$$$
You gotta use a sample, play it through your iPhone, and record it with cupped mics. That’ll get you the best sound.
what kind of super human can cup every mic on the drums??
Glenn! Thanks for the great Videos! I have seriously picked up some great techniques on recording my own drums from simply being a dedicated sub to your channel! Im always looking forward to the next video! Keep that shit up!!!!
Glad I could help, Ricky!
Grate video Glenn! Thanks for this one
Glad I could help, Zach!
Been messing with reverb on drums lately, I'm gonna try this compression trick when i get home.
love when you look at the camera when the plug in works good
Could not have come at a more convenient time, thanks!
Glad I could help!
That’s a great trick . Added a lot of focus to the punch I thought too
Definitely something I'm gonna try out, as the room I'm working with is not only small but almost completely dead! Thanks to mr. Constantine for coming up with this!
You are most welcome, but I cant take 100% credit for this. I learned it from someone back in the 90s when I was working at studios in New York. I wish I could remember who it was to give the proper credit. But I have been using this technique forever. Its a great way to add some vibe and bigness to drums when you dont have a really good room to work with! :)
This is the greatest tutorial by the greatest CZcamsr , teacher , producer and sound engineer
I fucking love it
Please teach us more of your skills
Thank you so much
I really really appreciate 🤘🏻
great sound design
Congrats on reaching 300k subs!
cool technique. Thanks man :)
I have used similar techniques for years using room reverb to create a bigger room, it it also works great if you want your guitar amp to sound as if its in a room instead of just closed miced, if you record direct and use IRs then you can add a simulated room mic.
Awesome stuff man!
Glad you like it!
Yo Glen,
Is this exactly the video i requested a few videos back?? Awesome, bro!!!
This really reminds me of Space Designer built into Logic, which comes with all kind of room reverbs. You did a great job on that sound though.
Yes! Solid and hard hitting sound drums is good to the mix :D
Perfect!
Great video, I can always use your info even though my setup is a bit different.
I use 3 mics kick, snare and overhead going into soundcraft ui12 digital live mixer. ( bought it for 200 used, it has eq,comp and fx mixer for each input, and every thing can be saved and preset)
Output the mixer into m-audio interface then into daw. Not as versatile as I have to record, listen and make any changes, then record again, but once you got it all setting can be saved. Workable and under 500 bucks. Great channel keep up the great work.
sounds so big !
I find using the verbs on snare bottom and bussing all snare mics works really well.
Awesome tutorial man, not sure if you have it set up in default or not, but you can adjust the send volume without actually clicking into it to get to the fader, you can just click and drag your mouse across the send icon to adjust the volume. Just thought it might be a quicker way if you didn’t know already, good stuff though keep it coming
Hey Glen,
This isn't a question or anything, but I just saw a preformance at Manhatten School of Music, playing Avant-garde modern classical music, and when I was walking out, I thanked the sound guy, and he said "you're the first person who's ever said that to me." Sound Engineer is really a thankless job.
Just picked up Wilkinson audio
De-Bleeder this weekend and that thing is fucking awesome definitely get that before it goes up to 80 bucks it’s only $30 right now !!! So easy to use and amazing how much of the original sound you can leave while still cutting out cymbals etc.
I was taught a similar technique in uni with "all buttons in" on a klark Tecnic compressor (failing that, something that emulates it) it gives a huuuge sound. If you have 2 rooms mics, I find it really nice to apply it to one track and mix it low. Similar effect.
I honestly prefer your sound a little more than his, both are great, but yours sound wayyyy better
Now THAT'S a tutorial!! Yes, this old dog learned a trick or 2. Also nice to know I'm on the right track when working my drum tracks... we share a couple of secrets... huge confidence booster, dude!!
Glad I could help, Jeff!
It was possibly 1983, when I saw Armored Saint perform with Scorpions and Iron Maiden. What a show! Edit: I think the opening act was Charlie Sexton.
I saw them in 83 in Syracuse. I can't remember if Saxon or Fastway was the opener.
Iron Maden in Syracuse.
Basically a gated verb. Thats from the 80's and its been making a come back.
I hit like after you said "Armored Saint". Everyone here with good taste must like 'em.
you may have done it already, but can you do a video on how to get good metal drum sounds from the raw tracks?
awesome channel, keep it up!
dankeschön!🤟
it started to sound even better after you put the gate on that snare because of the kick bleed. I was honestly shocked.
I gate my kick and snare independently with a DBX 166xs between the Mic Pre and my audio interface.
Yeah, cool and all, but can it produce that classic St Anger sound?
Hopefully not!
Sit on snare , hit metal chair
+Lee Brennan Lol
ReaComp can, set release to zero and RMS like 1-5 ish, or even 0 if you dare
You just need a trash can....
Hey Glenn, speaking of reverbs Overloud has great IR packs. If you have not already check them out.
*Intro kicks in*
Step 1: Get a huge drum room
*outro kicks in*
Sounds very close to the drum mix that Jamie King got on the last Contortionist record. He really goes nuts on the room sims as well. Cool shit!
in my experience, using the bonham style of overheads instead of drum-mics always gets a more balanced and fuller sound. Usually add a mic on kick drum if recording in a big room
This is so awesome!
But truth be told, the drummer, the tuning, the skins, the cymbals, and the overall setup and miking techniques have a LOT to do with the overall sound.
I also found it handy to do a separate buss for the snare and detuning it by 3-4 semitones and sending it to a lush reverb then compressing it then set it low in the mix. It kind of glues up the whole kit and fattens the snare. Also works for overheads and room mics in a fairly dry room.
Cool stuff as always Glenn!
Thanks for the tips Mr. Fricker! Although I think I liked your drum sound a tad bit better. When will you be doing more Studio One videos? I'm a Full Sail student and many friends who use Reaper also seem to like S1. It would be great to see more of your delicate finesse on that platform. Thanks and *love* you Glenn.
This is not just for drums it works on any recorded sound !!
Hey Glen, I like metal but blues rock is my true love. Could you talk a little on how to get great blues tones? Maybe a guest engineer? Love the channel.
Nice natural sounding drum, not that drum-computer junk. Nice natural drum sounds, sounds real sick and than all the opportunities ! I can feel the fun !
Real drums are where it's at.
Made a huge difference even on a toilet phone I’ll check it in the car later 👍🏽 cool tip thank you Sir
Too much information!
😂🤘🏽👍🏽
Awesome..really happy to see you using the Stillwell stuff.............his compressors sound amazing as well. I am planning, on my next tracking session, to try using a mid/side mic technique for my drum room. Was thinking a ribbon for the Figure of 8. I track in a small room as well, its 12 ft by 16 ft with a 7 and a 1/2 ft ceiling, traps, etc etc......im thinking it might give a little more "air" to the take since it is such a small room. Any personal experiences trying this for drums ? And.....up yours Glenn...
Hi Glenn, how about a full review of Fabfilter plugin suite (eq, (multi-band) compressor, reverb, limiter, etc.)? I'm using it for quite o lot of time now and I'll be interested in your opinion. IMHO some features are pretty neat for aspiring sound engineers, for example to visualize/to be able to hear "what you are doing" if you are unsure (for example what compressor is doing with the waveform)... But overall review would be nice! Cheers from Czech republic!
I use a very similar technique although I find sending the just the raw overheads to the room verb and turning off the direct sound in IR1 creates a more realistic room mic sound. But when i saw you pulling up IR1 into a compressor i was getting some hard deja vu
Armored Saints late guitar player Dave Prichard was an absolute beast!
Great video ! Love your tutos.
Have you tried Colin Scott's "Target Mids" pedal ?
I've got it, still need to try it!
@@SpectreSoundStudios awesome ! Would love to know what you think about it in a studio use
Hey Glenn, love your videos!...but I have one little nit to pick. Maybe it's just semantics, but I find it annoying how many CZcams videos refer to basic recording and mixing techniques as "tricks". I feel like it implies that there are countless secrets engineers use to make stuff sound awesome, and don't wanna share with the rest of humanity. In my 30-ish years of professional experience I've found that nearly all producers and engineers are, like you, happy to teach anyone who shows interest in learning. The most important lessons are often the most basic anyway, like if you want a great recorded drum sound, start with great sounding drums. I'll never forget, early in my career, sitting in on a session with a very famous recording engineer. When the drummer listened to the first playback he said, "I though you were supposed to be so great at recording drums... why do my drums sound like suitcases?!" The engineer replied, "Because your drums DO sound like suitcases."
Waves DBX 160 compressor is just $49 today at Sweetwater!
As a nondrumner how can we get Bananadyne involved in drum recording ? Individual cups for all the mics ? Play with frozen bananas? Do we need a larger fruit for this application???????????
Quit gessing at reverb decay times. Divide 60,000 by your tempo. That will give you the number of milliseconds between quarter notes. If you divide that by 2 you then get the time between eight notes. So 60,000÷120bpm=500ms for quarter notes and 250ms for eighth note decay times. Add some pre delay and Bam! Perfect decay between hits. Your welcome. Theres always the set it to your taste version if you dont like or agree with it..
Hey Glenn could you do a drum setup on a budget to get the best sound at cheap say like using a small behringer umc404hd the 4 mic cable method using maybe the t.bone mb 75 and maybe the bd300 a couple of cheap overheads and then use a free daw and some free plugins to see how good of a sound could be achieved for maybe a small band trying to make good sounding music for as little possible with tone in mind (and instead of using Ez drummer) thanks :)
I remember your tutorial on parallel compression with distressor for toms and snare, do you use that in conjunction with this technique? I dont see parallel bus in your mixer here.
I just use the group track for sends... also I reamp drum rooms with mics
Hey man! After 6 years of playing guitar I finally upgraded from my Peavey Vyper and got a Fender Blues Deluxe. I play lead guitar in a grunge/alt rock band and I am curious as to what pedals I should buy to complete my rig. Currently I have a Blues Driver and a Super Overdrive. I want more pedals that sound spacey but also heavy.
Hey Glenn. For budget reasons I plan to buy an axe fx 3. I used to have a dual rectifier, nice mics, a rack of lindell preamps, an api 512, lynx Aurora 16 and gear totaling at about 50k. Hard times caused me to let it all go. So starting from scratch again, I'm going to try the axe 3. Do you think "reamping" perfect lead and rythm tracks as my overdubs is the way to go, or go oldschool and overdub each guitar with a new performance. I prefer 3 overdubs (4 tracks in total) per guitar. I also like my lead and rythm guitarists to sound different so they can be heard separately in a mix. Also, do you prefer using the best guitar available and just changing your sim sounds, or still go with multiple guitars to blend? Thanks from New fucking Jersey.
love the monday morning tutorials! those are awesome so far. good stuff Glenn
I may try to make this a regular thing.....
14:29
“So because of these faders... .... ...”
Me: Still wondering
Glen: Man, that’s some strong weed !!!
Great vid. Gonna give this a whirl later on in the work. I'm stuck at work doing boring shit instead :D
Have fun with it!
@@SpectreSoundStudios Be more fun than a bag of stale Cheezies and a two four of Labatt 50, that's for sure.
Have you test any of the Warm audio gear?
Glen, what is your opinion on control surfaces like the Presonus Faderport? I just got one and it has done wonders for my workflow, and having an actual fader makes me use my ears more than the digital faders.
Cheers from Michigan
Hey glenn, is not using impulse response on a professional level the same as using drum samples? i mean, we are using the mic technique from another engineer. i was debating that with a friend last night and he said is not the same because the player's playing style influence the tone more than the drums... sorry for my english, cheers from Puerto Rico.
GLENNNNNNN!!!! noob question here. If you have a DI signal and want it run it through physical pedals and stuff, but use impulses (what I would guess is called reamping), can you use a standard interfaze like the focusrite? set the output through the pedals and back to the input?
I recently got the waves gold bundle. Was that one of the verbs that came with that?
@Glenn - please, read this, thank you
@Samus66 had a live stream and your name came up about drum recording techs and your opinion about triggers. Since we all know Sam is a kickass drummer (and uses triggers exceptionally well in his playing/style) - he may be the perfect person to do a video on this "controversial" topic, I believe you two should set a date if possible and let's see what will come outta the collab.
Confused with which track was sent to which reverb
So now that you've made the drums sound like they were recorded in a huge room, what about the guitars and vocals that still sound like they were recorded in a phone booth???
My solution is to go full 80s and use gated reverb. :-)
When I lived in the bay area armored saint was the local HM band. I had ti ask what bands are local to a co worker. Then I asked if he heard of pantera and they said" no". Summer of 83.
Glenn what interface do you use , Thanks
@SpectreSoundStudios
I’m impressed with the speed of your video releases, what software do you record your videos with? Thank you!
Glenn I know I'm waaaay late to the party but my question is if it would be possible to accomplish the same fake "room" sound by sending the drum bus to an aux instead of individual tracks and if this would be more like working with a real room or is that not the goal? I guess the goal with individual elements vs sending the bus would be the amount of control you have?
Sorry for the bass player question, but how are the sends to the drum verb any different than the sends to the other track? Aren't both of the tracks just adding reverb to the sends?
Great video once again. Kinda out of topic but have you ever had the chance to record/mix a band with 2 drummers like kylesa?
Hey Glenn, what reaper theme are you running? I'm slowly getting my teeth into it but find the icons a bit blinding to the eye (I'm a text button kinda guy).
Loving the basics video too! :D
Fusion Beta
You can create your own buttons and place text in them. check this out czcams.com/video/VSAyY7IRJKA/video.html
It's good to see you back in your studio... There is just something warm (saturation?) and fuzzy (overdrive?) about SMG Studio.
How do you get the volumes to stay loud without clipping? Been having issues getting a loud sound when mixing and faders up high. It usually clips and the audio tracks were recorded just below the yellow clip marker. But the faders are always so low and the drums are lacking gain power. Using a decent set up, but even with limiters etc theres lacking power in volume without clipping.
Does this tips also work on programmed drums?
Yes
It definitely does, and it should work pretty much on anything - that's how I get certain instruments to sit better in the mix a lot of the time. If you think about it, the main purpose of basic reverb is to simulate space. Another neat trick is applying a longer reverb (while additionally cutting the higher frequencies) to make something sound distant - like a battle horn or thunder. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, just speaking from my experience.
I generally time the reverb tail to work with the tempo.
And what do you do with the rooms itselves? You just blend them with the rest of the drum sound? There's no video for that I guess.
Anyways .... I've tried this... huge 🤟🤟Thanks dude 🤟
Glenn...You da man!...Your channel does a great service to aspiring musicians and recording engineers alike, and by extension, humanity as a whole.
I'm old enough to have worn out copies of Back in Black on 8-track, vinyl, cassette, and CD, as well as corrupting a few Mp3's.
Considering the changing nature of recording media in use and the methods used to listen to recordings, (ie: in the 80's...boomboxes, and currently...smartphones) do you put any effort into your mixes to make them not sound like shit on crappy smartphone speakers?
I figure the current critical "first impression" for anyone's musical debut in this age, will be dealt from the soul-less, pitiful whine of a smartphone speaker. ( Yea, I know they're not all that way.)
Best Regards
So what did u do with room mic and not close mics?
armored saint is the shit. Especially legacy/frozen and really that album in general.