Benchmade Bugout Vs Wish Knock Off Bugout
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The best way to tell if it's fake is if the centering is perfect... 😉
Yep my fake one has the blade centered my original doesn't
Bought original griptilian mini and the blade is not on center, worst than the fake one.
@@anbu6183 besides that how do you find the mini grip? My wife wants a smaller knife and I've been thinking about picking one up for her.
We're in Australia so it's not like we can pop down to the local knife store and check out a benchmade.
@@NickElliottOutdoors try blade hq I don’t know if they ship Australia
Not exactly. I’ve seen plenty of authentic knives get it wrong.
The knockoffs are the deal of the century and they work great too! (Show how much profit there is in knife sales)
knockoffs typically use steel even worse than 8cr13mov chinesium. you WILL feel the difference in performance if you actually use your knife. if your knife is just a prop to flick at your desk or post on social media, then yeah you might as well get a fake.
Exactly
The steel is shit.
To be fair, labor rates in the US are easily 10X that of China or Taiwan, so there's one big reason. Also the counterfeiters didn't pay for research and development, they just copied an original. The fact people support this is kinda sad. I suppose the same people that would buy stolen goods if the price is low enough. No morality.
I bought one it's great
Been carrying my benchmade bugout 2years now. S30v is a great steel and the bugout is an incredible blade. I highly recommend getting one if your on the fence about purchasing it.
How much R&D testing do you need to do for a tool that has been around for ten thousand years?
How do you know the one from Amazon is the real deal? Amazon is known for selling fakes as well.
This comment is underrated. So important to buy from actual authorized dealers. I mean come on. These are essentially a luxury product. They cost what they cost and it’s important that if you spend the money you get a real one.
I have 11 real Benchmade Bugouts and my nephew had a clone 535 that lost a screw so he gave it to me to fix.
I ordered a new screw set for it but noticed that the scales were just a little off, So I ordered some new scales in G10. Then while taking it apart found that it had plastic washers, so I purchased some Phosphorous Bronze Washers. And then I noticed the rust on the blade, springs and liner, it was inside the scales and you couldn’t see it until the knife was apart. I also purchased a tool to help with reassembly. So I ordered a new set of springs too, the rest of the rust I just cleaned as best I could.
On reassembling I found out that the scales were not exactly the same so some modification (drilling and cutting and a bit of dremal work) was needed, also the new screw set didn’t all fit, so I had to use a combination of new and old screws.
Once together it looks good, function is okay, but not on the same level as any Benchmade. The steel, once sharpened, was pretty good.
Overall, I took a POS knife and made a nicer POS knife, and ended up spending more than a new real Benchmade Bugout, so I kept the project knife an bought him a brand new Benchmade Bugout, and he’s really happy with it.
I purchased 2 bugouts recently knowing full well they can't be the real deal. Like you explain, its tough to tell and the biggest attention grabber is the packaging. Im not worried about the authenticity as one has been engraved to go in my shadow box opposite a Griptillian and the other I wanted for my pocket knife. Knowing what I would be getting, I am not disappointed in the least with the fit n finish. I also ordered a fixed blade just to see. It was displayed as a Benchmade. What I received looks like a $5 flea market knife that I would pass over. Its not even close to the one pictured in the ad. Good video. Thanks for the info.
It'd be ironic if it's Omega springs outlast the real deal. I think every single one of my Benchmades has made the pilgrimage home for Omega replacements.
People say the (stiffer) unofficial omega springs on eBay are better than originals.
I have a bugout and love it. It has gotten good reviews on all the knife CZcams videos.
The legit, early blue Bugouts had the same flex to them as your fake does. It's a thing, but does not impair the use of the knife.
Lol the only thing this video did was convince me to drop 28$ and buy the knock off!! Thanks!
Haha that's right. I ordered 3 and they'll be here today.
Same. If it works, is sharp, then it doesn't bother me either
@@28ebdh3udnav It dulls from looking at it sadly
It’s a fake not a knock off
Lol, someone needs a better job, go buy some cheap knives, IT WILL BE FUN ......
I ordered a red one simply for the thumb stud and back spacers. I hope they fit.
*he looks at the fake*
“It’s legitimate”
*10 seconds later…*
“I will show you for the legitimate one in a sec”
Wish has amazing Microtech clones for $45 range. I got a Halo and Dirac from Wish a year ago and they’re just amazing.
AGREED! I just received one in the mail yesterday and it's fucking amazing. Got 2 more coming in the mail still, as well as two benchmade clones. So far, my knives I have received have looked identical to the picture. Like so identical that it looks like it was the knife used to take the picture. Super happy with my wish purchases so far. If you can handle the 2-4 week wait time, it's worth the wait.
Twist: Benchmade get their knives from Wish.
The knife from amazon was the knock off. ;)
I mean, who's to say Benchmade don't source their knives from China?
I have 4 Wish bugouts, and 2 bailouts.
They have been brilliant knives.
To me all the important difference is the blade steel. All the rest can be forgiven because the much lower price, action smoothness and such.
I do have and sometimes will carry Knockoffs, usually for a situation where there is a chance I could lose it or need to abuse it, and I'd rather risk breaking or losing a $20 knife over an expensive one.
Just look at the holes for the pocket clip. The fake one you can see the stainless threads showing. And the font on the blade is off. The s30v font is wrong. And the scales obviously flex way more.
what is the difference in steel? just 440c or whatever on the knock off?
Most the price of a Benchmade is based on steel quality, US made labor cost, and their incredible warranty. Sure the Wish one looks the same but none of these main factors in the cost are present in the wish knockoff.
Exactly
I bought a fake pm2 off wish, compresion lock and all for 10 bucks, sole purpose was the practice free hand sharpening..I also have a real pm2.
Is there any honest chance that the steel is legit on the wish blade or anyway to tell if it is legit? I mean some of the cost of the legit Benchmade is coming from having good steel
Honestly these cheap knock offs are great as gifts for younger nieces and nephews (obviously the age to be trusted with a knife but not gonna give a 14 y/o a 100+ knife)
I think my little cousin might be super happy around Christmas to get a “uncle Dion knife”
Uncle dions give the best gifts
I never lose knives, but of course the two that have disappeared without a trace were both Benchmade. I've never gotten over it and I still find myself wondering what the hell happened to them. Highest quality knives I've ever owned
hope they are yo yo knives and they show up.
It's funny I had a Benchmade vanish too a few years ago. Still have no idea what happened to it.
It's always the expensive knives, the cheapies never disappear.
@@unclejoe6811 I’ve also heard the same thing about sunglasses
They end up in that cozy place where all socks go.
Thx, wanted to see this to get educated
If you store your pocket knife in a bag in a foam lined box to keep it safe when not in use....
You could probably buy some custom scales for the face one and then a bit of polish on the blade and you might be pretty much sorted haha.
No!!! I did..... it doesn’t quite fit.
Holes don’t match. Screws are different.
@@jgrajeda8854 thx for intel
They are so good and so cheap you can buy different inexpensive models from same supplier (carbon fibre/titanium) mix and match, have spare parts and save even more money… my supplier when criticised about his choice of steel changed it up.👊🏼
I've purchased Wish Benchmade knives just to test out the knife before I spent the money on the real thing. I'm a very tactile person and want to spend some time feeling and playing with things before I buy the expensive one. I'm glad I did, I was really torn between the bugout and the 940 and so I bought one of each and carried each one for about a month and decided I preferred the 940! I knew when I bought them they were fake, but they are VERY realistic and helped me make the decision!
To be clear they are "real" knives, they are just Benchmade "knockoffs". I doubt any of the materials are the same but real knives they are.
They have there place for sure. I will say a knock off 20.00 Benchmade will be better then a 20.00 gas station knife so yeah they make great beater knifes for sure
You can see the difference at the front of the handle, the fake is rounded outwards and the real one is concave.
You'll be able to tell when you sharpen it. The steel that's used on the clone is not s30v. Is a softer steel and it will be very difficult to sharpen as the burr will break off leaving micro chips on the edge. I've seen it under a microscope.
I've heard it's poorly heat treated 440. Some say it's poorly done 8CR13Mov since they use so much of it in cheap US brands made there. Could also be chopped up ships for all know. 🤷🏻♂️
I took the chance and bought the fake. I may end up getting the authentic Benchmade Bugout Mini. I have a Benchmade 350 that I’ve carried for 21 years and it’s held up great.
Alright, we all been around awhile, we all know or should, if you buy from Wish or Aliedexpress, your buying a copy period. I have bought overpriced and Wish bugouts, did I know the difference duhhh of course, I use the beaters for everyday work use and they function fine, heavy use then I carry the real deal, very simple process. So you sharpen up your beater more often bfd but when u loose or break it, not loosing sleep over it for damn sure.
I also bought one of the knock off bug outs on Wish. I feels and looks identical to my real Benchmade mini bugout.
Has anyone put flytanium scales on these? How'd they fit?
Have 3 real Benchmades and recently bought a fake Benchmade Bugout. I like the fake the best and learned out how to tell the difference. The differences were not quality related so for 50 bucks I saved a ton and have a great knife worth every penny.
The steel and heat treatment will be shit.
@@vorpalblades Tried it? Nope. Will it do what I need..YUP.
do you have a link where you can buy a cheaper version? Im going to use it in the forest anyway;-)@@SVTShane361
Great video! Im still stuck on getting the real one
How does the fake one perform?
Yep I'm from Canada and decided not to support their economy so I went ahead and bought the real bench made mini bug out. Couldn't be happier with an EDC
I bought a benchmade arcane years ago and it just has the foam in the bottom of the box. Is that a dead give away? Anyone else notice that?
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The font of the "C" in benchmade logo differs from the wish to the original.
Easiest way I’ve seen on the fakes is most them don’t have the cut out squares on the inside of the scales
Milling
I have both and gave the wish version away as a gift.
How much does the fake one weigh?
Bro I rock the Benchmade foray. And the beastly montego I believe it's called. The m390 exclusive from knifeworks. The foray is discontinued but if you get the chance. Buy it. One of my fav Benchmade of all time. I had a bugout for a small period of time. And the foray is like it's super beefy brother. Small 20cv beast blade
Here is my thought. First and foremost lets get the cosmetics off the table. If you are buying a knife, no matter what brand it is, it has to be a knife that you can depend on. It has to perform to the tasks you are carrying the knife for. Opening boxes/packages, paring fruit, cutting cordage, etc.
Benchmade products boast quality and with that quality comes a level of safety. Will the blade locking mechanism fail and cut your fingers off? Will the fake one break if used harsh where as to the real one will survive? These are the things that should be compared. If the fake one performs just as good as the real one, then Benchmade is the criminal and has no honor. Benchmade Bugout is supposed to start at $114. It is also supposed to be one of their least expensive knives. Yet, everywhere I go, I see it no less than $140. I understand about supply and demand but that should not be a reason to over charge people for an item. The retailer and the manufacturers at that point become criminals themselves. Benchmade makes each knife at a certain cost and sells them to make a profit, if they go beyond that formula, they are without integrity. $27 vs $140? The $140 knife better cut through other steel. ijs.
The Benchmade website lists the retail price of the standard Bugout at $160. Even if the retail price was $115, why is it “criminal” to sell it for more if that is what the market will bear? No one if forcing anyone to buy this knife.
@@garycasteel4961 "Nobody is forcing people to buy it" is a cop out to lowering one's morals. It plays on the ignorant and stupid.
A person who lnows nothing about knives will buy a $160 knife thats not even worth $20 to manufacture and is not worth more than $80 retail and think they are buying the best knife because it is $160. That's ignorance.
A person who supposedly knows a lot about knives buys $160 knife knowing that the knife is really not worth that much is called stupid.
Just because of free market and capitalism, we don't have to pretend its okay to be stupid and ignorant as consumers.
Does the butterfly have the actual model number under it in the blade?
yup
30 days later I received my Wish Bugout. I agree with your observation of the knife. I loosened screw like you suggested and it's legit. Only had few hours but I'm excited to try as edc. I have 2 real Benchmades so don't feel bad sampling one knockoff.
I agree, if you like the look and don’t have the money and really want a beater it’s a no brainer
Just my opinion but I don't think you should feel bad however you spend your money. You don't owe these people anything.
If it's from wish it's not legit
@@danieloshea3326 if you read we use terms like real benchmade or knockoff. So we are aware they are not real benchmades. That being said we were all interested in testing a knockoff . That's all.
Problems arise when people sell them on the market as real
Compared one against a friends bug out and neither of us could find or feel a difference. Will try squeezing the scales next time.
Microfiber cloth? It's a bag / pouch. No?
I bought the fake one and when I got it I thought they had made a misstake and sent me the real one.
The wish bugout is good!
I'm thinking about getting one of these. Removing the scales on a Benchmade voids the warranty and I would want to mod the knife w/ Micarta and gold hardware. Now in Oct. '22 the knife sells for $8.00 + $7.00 S&H on Wish but they are on eBay for around $23. The seller states that S30V is printed on the knife but the actual material is 440C. Another "Fakeout" comes in D2
Between cheap 440C or cheap D2 which steel would you choose ?
440C is just fine- and easier for most to sharpen. D2 is a bitch and can be near impossible to sharpen for most folks, including me!
I like to buy the wish versions as a "trial" of sorts. See if I like it, and if I do I know I'll like the real Mccoy even more. If not, then I have a beater knife.
Let me just say this….
In Australia, Bench Made knives can go for around $500. When you here that they are so similar, it’s tempting. Not saying it’s right, just saying it’s tempting. I haven’t purchased one, but I have sure as shit looked at them.
Benchmade so
expensive that I'd rather buy the wish one
It's $92 for a super steel. Your practically paying half the price for a shit blade and no lifetime warranty 😂
I agree, the wish knife is just a beater. You can tell the quality of a good blade and in my opinion it’s worth paying for quality
The big thing I have found with the cheap knives is the hardness of the blades. They are so hard that they are hard to sharpen and easy to snap the tip off of.
Looked at a few of these vids. One thing I'm noticing that isn't being mentioned is the color tone of the emblem and the "S30V" on the reverse side. All the fakes appear to have a darker, bolder print(more black). Where as the real ones seem to be a more brushed, fainter grey. Anyone else seeing this?
On the spyderco knives the fake is just a steel ingrave front and real is dark font Ingrave. So maybe its the reverse with benchmade. I wana know do the fakes use the same steel. Thats what i really wana know
I bought one of these too, but I don't think I'll buy another counterfeit knife. There are legit USA-based knife companies *with great quality control* making knives in Taiwan or Korea or China. There are legit knife companies making similarly priced knives in the USA (Kershaw, Buck, etc.).
Also, the scales/frames are stiffer now, so anyone that thought that quality might improve based on these reviews is right. :)
I never should have bought my first benchmade. I got my first on in december of 2021 and since then ive spent well over 2k in knives between multiple other benchmades one being the M390 aluminum scale bugout and 2 microtechs
I'm SUPER new to the pocket knife EDC fandom. All my other knives are under 20 bucks a piece. Thought about getting an actual good one when I saw the Bugout until I saw the price. Easily over 150 dollars for that thing. And EVERYONE complains about the scales & usually buys aftermarket titanium ones. I'm sure the machining and quality of the blade itself is top notch, but I'm not a fan of the Grivory. I'd LIKE to support Benchmade, but I just don't think the Bugout is worth that much. I have my favorite EDC with me at all times, almost the exact same size as the Bugout mini and it was legit 8 dollars. Honestly, if the scales on the mini were made of some type of metal, I'd pay MAXIMUM of 50 for it. But we're talking an additional 110 for the authentic version, AND I'd have to get aftermarket scales, costing me around another 60-80+ dollars. So now we're at over 252 bucks for a supped up authentic Bugout mini. I don't care about authenticity. To me, it's only bragging rights. The Bootleg Fakeout is 25 bucks, and if I got aftermarket scales, and hardware, it's still less than the authentic standard version AND it'd be stronger. So why go for the authentic one when I can get the Bootleg and a stronger construction for less money?
Well one thing is they stand behind their product for life, if it needs sharpening, taken apart cleaned and lubricated or if something is broke and needs repaired, then it's covered just send it to them and you'll get it back in about two weeks.
the entire design philosophy of the Bugout is that it's light. it's an exercise in functional minimalism. you get just enough knife in a very thin and ridiculously light package, with a strong lock and great action. you are primarily paying for the good steel and the good warranty. there is nothing actually wrong with grivory; some "knife guys" are just obsessed with appearance so they often replace the scales because they want the knife to look/feel a certain way, but that's contrary to the actual purpose of the knife.
Benchmade knives are tools. if you actually use your knife for substantial work then you will notice the difference between a real one and a clone. if your knife is just a prop for social clout or a fidget toy for your desk, then yeah, absolutely get the clone.
I think you made the rite decision by not getting the bug out ! To my way of thinking its to much money I'm talking about a proper one not a nock of
Benchmade has a lot of knives manufactured in China, as does Spyderco, Gerber. A lot of US knife manufactures have blades built in China that is why you see knockoffs that look identical.
Can you demonstrate the edge retention of the knockoff s30v to the real one?
Garuntee that they don't match real s30v. At best they will be equivalent to 440c or under
@Lockdown spinning am I missing it. I don't see any edge retention testing on your channel. I'm sorry but I'm not taking just your word for it. 20 bux compared to 120. Hard to believe the steel would be the same. Or even 440c with a good heat treat
They use d2 steel
Tiny bit harder than 440C
It is not S30V, the steel tests as 440HC and comes in at 58HRC. The heat treat on the 3 I tested was all good. The one thing that I did notice on 2 of the knifes was a SLIGHT and I mean slight curved blade (wrapping from the heat treat) I used my tormek T8 and at first put a 16 degree per side edge and it failed the steel wouldn't hold a 16 degree edge so I took it to 19 and it held the edge excellent, then ran them over a strop progression starting at 3 micron diamond suspension spray then 2 micron then 1 micron then a half micron then 0.1 micron.
The bend is so slight on both or then that I didn't see it while looking the knifes over but rather after the sharpening when I noticed the bevel in the center of the blade was ever so slightly smaller on one side and larger on the other for about half an inch in the center of the blades.. I knew it wasn't the sharpener and the 3rd one was perfect and I knew it wasn't me so I really started inspecting the blades up close and after a few mins I laid one on a piece or glass and tried to rock it and sure enough there was a Itty bitty amount of rocking so I knew the blade was not dead straight. I then sharpened one of the slightly bend ones on my TSPROF K03 to see if it was enough bend for a high precision sharpener but not as high precision as the T8 would cause the same thing and sure enough it did.
It's not enough to bother you because you won't see it as it's so little but where it will mess you up is in sharpening as that slight bend will show up in your bevel if you use a high end locked angle sharpener such as a wicked edge, Tormek, KME and so on. It's not enough to show up on lower end fixed angle sharpeners like a Ruixin Pro or a Lansky.
The steel is as good as it gets for 440HC as the heat treat is good. I would say it preforms about as good as VG10, and notably better then 8cr with a good heat treat. With a good 19 to 22 degree per side edge and stropped down to no more then 1 micron (as I learned the edge can't handle 0.1 micron strop and will roll) it preformed best with a 19 degree edge and stropped 3 micron diamond, 2 then 1 micron on Kangaroo tail leather (very hard) and the edge retention is about what you get from a good VG10... 440 that's got a good heat treatment on it and the right edge is a decent steel. A lot of people act like oh its 440 so it's shit... And that's simply not true, a quality 440hc heat treat will beat out a lot or better steels that have a half ass heat treat easily... Another thing about 440hc is that it's very easy to get a hair whittling edge on it and you don't need anything more then a 600/1000 grit whetstone and a strop. It's not a steel I would EDC but it is a good steel none the less and I will say that at 20 bucks that BM knockoff is a superb knife.. Not comparing it to the real thing just simply saying for 20 dollars it's a hell of a knife.
Anyone installed after market scales on the fake??
Made in USA of domestic and imported materials. You know what that means.
I'm just wondering for a broke person, would you suggest a wish blade? In Canada it's 200 a bugout, I cannot afford that price ahha
I’d suggest looking at spyderco, I have a tenacious and persistence, they were both less than 80 buck, they hold and edge, they’re comfy, and good for medium use.
Maybe you can put the counterfeit one in the real box and return it and get a hundred something back should do CZcams video on that
I saw an A2 grip for an AR-15 that someone put in the box and returned to Wal Mart, I assume they bought the Blackhawk grip (which is what the box said) swapped it out then took their original A-2 back and got $20 for it, then Wal-Mart was stuck trying to sell a $5 grip for $20.
Benjamin smith ...so he should commit larceny and film himself breaking the law and show it to the world.
I really hope you’re just joking.
And do it 1,000 times and become rich!
But we assume the steel isnt real, right?
And the clone goes back to REI in the original box...and thats how you get a Benchmade original for $20-$40...
Has anyone determined the blade steel for the clone?
its 440C steel.
The C in benchmade is the wrong size, for some reason all of the fakes have the wrong size font for the C
Flex in scales it more as well as trade mark (R in circle) on blade it10x larger. The box has date and color code on legit. The foam in box is liner version on real.
Fake also has a blade that won't stay sharp like a legit bench made
The "C" of Benchmade is also larger on the outside of their boxes. I am highly skeptical that's really s30v.
Some of the clones are D2 and some are 440c depending on the Chinese manufacturer
Good catch on the "c"
Just be aware that the type of steel stamped on the blade is just another "fake" attribute and you're getting something cheap for your cheap price. Not hating, I own a few myself.
FYI these Sunbelt granola bars are the shit!!!!!
I legit just ordered one off Wish just to see for myself. I have both the regular legit bugout and the mini. You can’t really think or believe that the steel is S30V though, right? That would drive up the cost for those Chinese manufacturers
The steel barely adds any cost at all. American made knives are so expensive because you’re paying for the labor and the process. Chinese factory manufacturing processes are MILES ahead of the manufacturing processes used here in the states. They use factory machinery to make working the expensive steels MUCH easier. Add in the .50¢/day salary of the employee making your clone and you have your cost savings right there all in one package. You should look into how much such a small amount of steel costs. Using a premium alloy adds negligible difference to price when you’re only talking a few ounces of steel
The blade is the main pillar when purchasing a high quality knife. Chinese forge certificates can't be trusted. High quality US/other blades makers buy their steel from small trusted forges with trusted certificates to contain the exact alloys called for. Regardless of the cert, a quality blade maker will do spot check hardness tests and document, that’s part of what you’re paying for.
Also, the steel liners, scales, other pieces on the quality knife all have certain specs from original R&D design that is being adhered too. Any Chinese product can be made much cheaper, even if they carried out quality steps, which they cannot easily do because they didn’t do the R&D (like all they copy), so you get what you pay for.
I just saw the Benchmade 'Mimi Freek' on ebay for 60.00 lol
For me, if it's sharp, it works, and is better than an Mtech, sign me up.
Sorry but the only difference is $100. The bug out is cheap that's why it's easy to fake.
Bought one off amazon too. Can they be trusted?
I can just tell when you flip it open the wish one is jaanky
I’ve been wanting a bugout for awhile just as edc cause it’s so slim and light but don’t have the spare cash to throw that much at a knife right now so I had been researching similar knives to bugouts with axis locks to satisfy my itch, had never occurred to me that knockoffs on Wish exist, just bought a red one on wish for $12 with a promo code, should satisfy my craving until I have enough for a real one
How is it I want to get the red one?
@@layned2445 honestly it’s been great, had it for 4 months now and use it almost every day, still holding up good, only noticeable wear on it is the coating on the screws have worn off
@@axiosg8787 ok man thank ya really looking forward to getting mine
Benchmade being company that doesn't support secon amendment, I would never buy their product. So fake it is.
Indeed
Really I'm shocked. Get rid of guns and then they go after knifes next.
@@tim7076 already happened in europe.
Whine whine whine....everyone is whining these days. "You don't agree with me 100% of the time, so I'm not buying anything of yours". Give me a break lol
The one i got was suppose to be real, when i compared it to my real one the handle was thicker, the clip was longer and the sharpening choil was cut a little off it was not as sharp the logo on the blade was a little darker and no insert in the box and the knife was in a plastic sleve laying on top of the nylon bag . They were no mfg date on the box.
I dont own any knockoff knives, but i dont feel bad for the companies like benchmade, spyderco and ultratech when it comes to this because their products are soooooo overpriced. Like, its D2 and G10 not fucking platinum and 3D printed carbon.
exactly, you get 40 dollar knives just as good as 400 dollar knives, and then the big name companies get pissy about clones, if they didnt charge so much the clone market wouldnt be so big
yeah, im in the market of a otf knife now. the $400 dollars price tag from microtech just made me laugh. I can easily afford it but i will never pay that price on a pocket knife
I got one too - the version with the gold aluminium scales (no flex). I think you're a bit uncomfortable with the fact that it's clearly a counterfeit, and to be honest so am I. Folks can attempt to justify their purchase by complaining about the price of the original but that's irrelevant - two wrongs don't make a right! I also have the 'clone' of the Benchmade Proper 319, and that's quite excellent. I've removed the Benchmade logos from both knives and destroyed the boxes, but I'm still not proud of what I've done.
People say there's no way that the steel is actual S30V, and I'd like to know what it is, because it seems like a very good steel to me (my blade came with a stonewashed finish). I'm not convinced it isn't S30V - the enormous price difference between Western and Chinese products isn't primarily due to material costs, it's almost entirely down to employment costs - and not having to pay for R & D when you're stealing (sorry, copying) someone else's design!
David S I just ordered a clone for $21.00shipped. (Whenever production returns). I don’t buy knives these day as I’m happy with my collection of mostly more budget models, aside from my Benchmade Mini Griptilian. I’ve wanted a Bugout since it’s release but couldn’t justify its cost and wrote it off. Now i get to have a clone for next to nothing by comparison. Benchmade did not lose a sale from me as I never would have bought theirs. I wasn’t fooled in any way or cheated. Just like if I buy a Chevy and not a Lexus. The Chevy works just fine, even though the Lexus is build and drives better. My choice and no guilt trip impresses me.
@@ronlheureux7623 The Chevy isn't a counterfeit Lexus. You (we) may not have been fooled, but the fact is you (we) contributed to financing a counterfeiting operation. Your choice, your conscience, your moral values, your being brought to account if you're caught breaking the law, in which event I can only assume you will continue to take full personal responsibility for your actions.
David S Right, like in the long history of the auto industry, makers aren’t know for stealing ideas and plans, besides buying and reverse engineering competitors vehicles.🤣
@@ronlheureux7623 Sure, but they don't attempt to pass them off as each others' products. Two wrongs don't make a right, but are frequently used as self-justification by wrongdoers!
@@davids9549 and yet you bought not just one but two " but the fact is you (we) contributed to financing a counterfeiting operation" ... you criticize someone for doing exactly what you did...SMH
I bet that bench made makes the boot legged one's also...
At 2 minutes in it’s almost immediately obvious what’s wrong with the box. There’s no knife in it.
I ordered a fake for 20$ just as a fidget toy and a beater knife, i do own an authentic 940 osborne tho
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Not one word about the sharpness... 10/10 for the usefulness of this video
Americans almost cry when they find a knock off, get over it ...i use my BM knock off all day every day
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Got mine today
Ontario RAT 1 better than a legit bugout, about the same money as the fake bugout
But made in Taiwan.
@@raizt1596 is that an issue?
You know, I understand about the quality of the blade and the scales being different than the knock off one, but the price is still ridiculous. $120 vs $15-25 is no comparison.
It's funny because most people that think about the costs of these blades don't think of the labor cost. I bet at least $50-80 of the genuine Benchmade Bugout goes to labor.
You're right about labor costs. The Chinese worker probably is making a couple of yuan per day. Maybe more, but not that much. Most people care only about price, which is obvious from the comments here.
Got to take into consideration the warranty and how long it’ll last.... carry a fake for a year before it goes to crap so about $10 a month..... carry the real deal for like 10 years, lifetime if taking advantage of lifesharp..... be like 50 cents a month
@@shadowcastyt lol i have no idea where you got those numbers from. $10 a month? No one is that stupid to destroy a knife every month. I get it, if you beat your knifes the benchmade will last longer. It mostly depends on how you will use the knife. If you're just opening boxes and mail, cleaning your nails, or just light shit that can be solved with a few strokes on the leather, then I don't see the problem with the cheap knife. If you're going to work and using the knife for multiple different things that are harder on it, it makes sense. Lifetime sharpening is cool, but how many people are actually able to utilize that without encountering problems?
@@renski8976 other factors include axis lock failure.... who knows the strength of those springs..... if an omega spring breaks in the real deal you have a warranty.... not the case with a fake
(A lot of people use lifesharp without problems... hell I’ve seen people lose their knife in shipping, give Benchmade a call and they sent them back a new knife)
I get it not everyone needs a $100 - $200 knife.... but some (believe it or not) actually do and just saying there is no need and no one needs a quality cutting tool is a slap to the face to people who need a high quality cutting tool
I have an authentic benchmade, and yes it’s worth every penny, I got it on sale for $120 when it’s originally $200.
The “lifetime” sharp warranty, if that’s what you want to call it, is nice but if you spend that kinda money on a knife you damn sure ought to know how to sharpen a knife(that’s the way I look at it)
Since my Benchmade Volli purchase, I’ve bought a few other knives, Kershaw is ehh, but Civivi has really impressed me and typically about half the price of Benchmade. The quality of the steel is typically what makes the price difference, while the D2 blade on my Civivi isn’t as extravagant as the S30v on my Benchmade, it’s every bit as sharp and I prefer carrying it since it’s lighter and not near as bulky.
My point in all of this is that after learning how to sharpen my knives, all of them, some cheap and some expensive, they’re all the same sharpness give or take. Edge Retention is another animal, but with use all knives will eventually dull and the knives that hold on the longest will cost you the most.
If you can’t afford an authentic, buy a knockoff. 95% of people will never be able to tell the difference, just make sure to learn how to properly sharpen your blades and how to take care of them and you’ll be golden. But don’t expect the quality of the knife to be the same because at that price difference it won’t be.
u cant buy extra screws and clip for $20. What upsets me and why I wont buy the real is if the fake can get that close for so little then the real should be at least 1/2 the price they sell it for and they still should be able to make great cash!
Blade steel, both type and heat treatment are not what's stamped on the blade.
There just isn't a hundred bucks difference between them.
I collect Benchmade knives amongst others. I ordered this from wish. I just wanted a beater. Oddly, the box color is legit granted this vid is 2 years old. I'll see if it's the s30v when it comes to sharpening.... I handled a "real" one at a store. Honestly can't tell the difference at all. Even the bag seems legit. Either it's the real deal or the Chinese got very good at bootlegging certain things. Seems like it'll hold up for average use.
You have to watch where it's being shipped from. I bought one of my bugouts on wish to use as a complete beater. The damn knife came from Oregon city which is where benchmade is made now. So I decided screw it I'll beat the hell out of the knife I ended up breaking the axis lock and figured what the hell it came from the same city benchmade is made, so I called up benchmade and explained everything to them and told them where I got it from they had me send it in for them to look at and low and behold it was a legit bugout so they fixed it for me. Basically there is at least one store on wish buying wholesale bugouts and selling them on there.
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Well dam now I’m wondering if I paid $135 for a fake at the gun shop
Theres no way the fake is made if s30v steel.
how dose the wish one hold an edge?
Not very well but it’s a great beater
I don't know how it will hold edge yet since being in quarantine haven't used it much. That being said Wish Bugout came stupid sharp. Pretty impressive.
Not worth a damn.