Jim Cornette Reviews Timothy Thatcher vs. Oney Lorcan at NXT's Great American Bash
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2020
- From Episode 338 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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This match was a pure wrestling clinic.
The ROH pure Title was great
@@tonymatrisin4328 it's coming back
Yes sir
Between two nobodies yet people get pissed when you call it developmental
@@leir2005 it's fine, people who actually watch wrestling know who they are, don't lump us in with you
Biff Busick (Oney Lorcan) is a damn good worker. Love that guy on a personal level, and have worked on many a show with him when he was still at home in the Northeast. Hell of a talent. Hell of a guy too.
Jim would probably love what they've been doing with Thatcher on the weekly TV, too, with his "Thatch Wrestling" lessons. He's playing the sadistic wrestling trainer to the hilt, *and* helping get more basic catch and submission wrestling moves over by explaining what makes them so excruciating as he stretches the trainees like a rubber band. Two, three minutes, builds his character, helps educate the fanbase as to a style that's been rather de-emphasized for a good thirty years, and gives the PC trainees some on-camera time? That's a brilliant way to use TV time.
I like Thatcher he's like a new regal in ring
At least he has a broken tooth.
Like Regal with the body of Cesaro.
I never found regal boring and I never really liked his style.
zed365 Boy… What a take.
If anyone thinks actual wrestling is boring you're not a wrestling fan
Timothy Thatcher should be made a Champion soon. He's believable in displaying brutality.
he's a Nightmare to Meltzer and his followers.
@@lautheimpaler4686 exceptionally so!
Exactly
Imagine him next to randy for 6 months lol he would be crazy over
I miss Nigel mcguiness his voice completed NXT.
Nigel's commentary would benefit Thatcher aswell. With his technical in ring experience he could break down and explain Thatcher's skills.
InfamousRelliK Hell yeah.
This was a solid match. It was technical with plenty of strikes and great holds
Exactly!! And this was my favorite match on the show
I know Cornette wants nothing to do with WWE anymore, but it wouldn’t hurt to make amends with each other and send him to NXT at least once a month. The hall of famers, not just talent...HALL OF FAMERS...he mentored is ungodly.
Guy’s a tripwire, but he’s the greatest trainer/mentor ever by way of the legends he taught and mentored, and at all sizes and styles
In terms of work rate, most of the OVW crew were trained by Danny Davis & Dr. Tom. Corny's strengths are not in Talent development or
Talent spotting. His strengths are in booking and promos. I could see him offering a promo course, but he's pissed off so many people that it may not be worth it.
I completely agree.
His knowledge of how TV works, timing, booking, selling, comebacks, where everything goes in the gist of a story, all of it is ridiculous. Maybe the physical end of training is Dr. Tom, and he is great, but watch Smokey Mountain and OVW. Two shows he ran, and both picture perfect production for the low budget.
Imagine Corny managing American Alpha n not the Revival
With this generation of young ppl these days there'll be a lot of slaps going around 🤣
Thatcher is so great. He is a believable menace who looks like someone who could actually win a fight. Great stuff
He's a wannabe dan severn rip off. No abs, flabby chest, not believable in the ring. If you're a fan of old school wrestling this guy would've been killed in 80s
He's sadly a somewhat less charismatic and non-roided version of Chris Benoit.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant exactly. which is why most old school fans watch UFC. McGregor cuts a better promo then any wrestler in the past 30 years
@jigyoda Bro, conor and mayweather outsold every wrestlemania lmaooo. And that was after diaz. And those guys are small as shit. You know why no one gives a shit about wrestling in the main stream? Because its a bunch of fake tough guys. I can guarantee conor, khabib, mayweather, Cowboy, hell even fucking Daniel cormier can kick every wrestlers ass in a real fight.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant If you bought and enjoyed the mayweather match, you got worked and are whats wrong with modern fans of both sports.
For all that Corny found it pretty mild, this was the kind of match I love, love, love. Corny likes when a wrestling match is a fight, but I like when it's a competition.
I loved the match, too, but I also understand Corny's response to it--it definitely didn't go into high gear; when I was watching it live, I was a little surprised it ended when it did, because I was expecting it to go another five minutes or so with some more high-octane stuff for the finish. I'm not *complaining* that it ended when it did--it was done right to put Thatcher over convincingly while still keeping Lorcan strong--but they certainly didn't go all-out because, well, this was an undercard match that wasn't about showing everything they could do, it was about building up Thatcher and whetting people's appetite for a rematch in the future.
Holy shit, would you look at that. A PRO WRESTLING match?!
This match was definitely hard hitting. Both Lorcan and Thatcher beat the crap out of each other and it looked so convincing.
I think Thatcher is probably my favourite wrestler in the world right now. Gulak has been incredible recently too.
Jim is spot on... This wasn't a main event barn burner.... Because it wasn't supposed to be... Personally... I loved the match
Tim & Oney was awesome. I would like to see Tim lock up with Daniel Bryan or Drew Gulak in the future. I think Cesaro would be great too.
Definitely love the idea of incorporating the wrestling style those wrestlers showcased when they were in Evolve or ROH. It's something people that only watch WWE haven't been exposed to much on TV
I love those car crash matches but god damn I love thatcher man glad people on national tv can finally watch him. He puts on my favorite matches
Timothy Thatcher was announced to have signed to WWE at the same time as Killer Kross. And since Killer Kross has been my favourite wrestler for a while now, Thatcher's singing just went over my head. But to be fair, out of the two I've so far been far more impressed with thatcher. He might just become my new favourite wrestler if he keeps it up like this.
@Andre Ricardo Bryant the only thing that ruined regal was his drug consumption. He would have been so much more if he didnt keep relapsing. He was great.
@@blueweegie6541 Raw General Manager William Regal (being booed while speaking): SILENCE! (blackness):D
"Maybe if they put this first on the card they would have hooked people for the rest of the show"
Didn't need to be first, fans were already hooked by the fact GAB beat Fyter Fest in the ratings
I've always liked Oney Lorcan. Every match he's in feels like a proper fight. I remember that awesome match he had vs. Drew McIntyre where they stiffed the fuck out of each other from start to finish.
Again, the very fact that Jim hates some of what NXT and AEW do, and loves some of it, is exactly why the 2 shows are great, there's something for everyone
This was actually one of my favorite matches on the card.
Thatcher vs Lorcan: Technical Wrestling, Hard hitting bout, No dives, No flips
AEW: *wait that’s illegal*
Also AEW: "It's not a match if there isn't 39,909 flips!"
Yeah two mid card jobbers doing a boring match.Timothy looser is better fit for running behind 24/7 title.
Matt Riddle That will likely be Matt Riddle in a few months
Matt Riddle boring?? Why cus it didn’t have dives and flips.....
Timothy thatcher is gonna be released soon to cut cost.That boring charisma vaccum is not gonna a draw a dime. 😂
Good to have on the card 👍 Yup spot on 💪
I'm a modern wrestling fan and while I do enjoy the occasional flip matches this match was my most anticipated
That was some good ol fashion wrasssslin
As a "Modern Wrestling" fan because I'm only 20, I loved this match.
And they cut it from the Hulu version. That's a great way to build a legit guy.
Best match of the week from wwe this week
a lot of the matches on smackdown this week were great too
And the flippy marks were probably like "it was boring"
Nice match very competitive. It was really cool
I miss Nigel's commentary already. Beth, Nigel, and Mauro.
The best shit Tim could pump out is anything with Bulldog period!!
I don't care how it fared rating wise, this match, gentlemen, got me to switch from watching Fyter Fest to watch GAB. This sucker scratched my itch for some good mat grappling.
Thatcher vs Lorcan was amazing.
Thatcher vs Cesaro holy fuck!!!
Tom Phillips a.k.a. El GeneriCole
Is that jazz hands Mcdonald or Ronald idk, going to a Mcmuffin now thank you Corny
WWE always has three announcers at the desk for a reason. One of them is color; one of them is straight; and the third is there to learn how to do the job. That third person can then become the color or straight broadcaster on another team. They were finding it hard to train new announcers "on-the-job" when there weren't two other people at the desk to cover for them if they were screwing up.
This is pure technical. Mat based wrestling. Both Thatcher and Lorcan were equally terrific. You're used to seeing high spots and dives, this is pure and more in tune with those who love chain wrestling. Thatcher I can see him as a heel who doesn't give a shit and would crack your head open when he has the opportunity to do so. I wanna see what he can do against Drew Gulak or Daniel Bryan. Timothy is a mix of Bruno Sammartino with Dean Malenko, he's physically and technically impressive. I think anyone can have a great match with him and regardless whether they win or lose, will get a great reaction with him in the ring. If anyone gets the chance to, check out Thatcher vs Lorcan during their time Beyond Wrestling; highly recommend it.
Lonely Orca
I really enjoyed the match as it was more of a competitive sporting contest. I want to see more of Thatcher. I'm tired of all the Gymkata stuff inside of a Bouncy House.
As much as I liked this match, I prefer when there's more of a styles clash - I'm excited to see him face Keith Lee at some point.
Shame everyone else on the roster is a heel.
Shames there's barely
mark calendar- you can tell when Jim gets kick back in cash when he now likes what is happening- I would do the same dang thing
I liked the match but lorcan failed to sell a few times
Three person commentary tends to step over each other and sometimes get tangled up and fall down🤔
I bet Thatcher played hockey in his youth.
For a match that was meant to be mid card.. in my opinion ended up being the best match on the card that night.. Oney lorcan and Timothy Thatcher are too rugged tough men that went out and without trying to outshined everyone else... in what is know as "pro wrestling"
Love Thatcher.
I just wish Mauro Ranallo wouldn’t shout so much. He gets over excited
I like flippy shit, I like these types of matches, unlike Jim, I am open minded and like most types of matches
You know, a lot of people compared Matt Riddle to Kurt Angle, but I personally think Thatcher has a lot more in common with a Kurt Angle than a Matt Riddle, not that Riddle isn't good, but he's definitely not in the same category, hopefully they wouldn't squander this potential killer in Thatcher, especially once he gets to the "main roster".
I LOVE thatcher Jim is kinda wrong on this one i was thatcher in a HUGE role cuz he’s the only dude on that roster that I BELIEVE will hurt me...
Timthy is the man
Who thought Oney Lorcan was a good name lol I'd have fired him for that suggestion alone
"Lonely Orca" sounds like an inspirational children's book.
AEW fan here. This was the best match on the card Corny boomer num nuts. This brought variety to the show, almost anything non-vince constant bs is good and should be encouraged.
It is scary how much Tom Phillips has modeled himself after Cole or they have insisted upon it.....whatever the case may be. He's like a carbon copy and that's not a good thing. God I miss Gorilla, Jesse Ventura, and Bobby Heenan.
The bottom line is, this was what wrestling supposed to be, not just a bunch of flips and dives and superkicks that have been displayed by todays wrestlers
This was the best pro wrestling match I've seen in ages. This is what I want to see regularly, not the flipping and flying.
Wish they'd bring Drew Gulak in...
He would be booked as an wrestler not an cruiserweight ( Even NXT Cruiserweight's are booked properly)
@@alexandregama3090 Not sure about what you mean, but his grappling shit was the main reason I watched 205 back then.
Jim I know you have your issues with WWE, but please consider making amends, atleast with Hunter, it would be awesome to see you behind someone like Thatcher, old school style
for fucks sake react to Escober
Hahah!! - I was thinking how bad Oney Lorcan's name was as I clicked the link. Hands down one of the worst names ever.
He named himself it intentionally.
I've followed Thatcher for several years now on the indies. He has a complete unique style in the modern industry. He can have some really great matches if he has the right opponent. I was totally shocked when he signed with WWE though. That just seems like a really bad fit. He doesn't cut a lot of promos, and is a throwback wrestler, rather than a "sports entertainer". I'm not totally sold on the idea of him in WWE, but I can't blame him for taking the money while he can. I just hope it doesn't ruin his career.
Zack sabre jr is the best technition in the world
Nope
This was a classic technical fight something aew could never do
I hope they don't bring up Thatcher to the main roster in a comedic gimmick where his name is just "Timothy"
I liked the 4 Way female match, but I know Jim doesn’t like that style of match. It looks a just him.
Thought this match was great. Thatcher is how i wish more wrestlers would base their style instead of flippy bullshit.
Newly bros
the match was "too good" for its own good.
thatcher has been built up as a psycho killer and oney lorcan was never more than a jobber. this should've been a squash to establish thatcher's cruelty instead of a long competitive match.
I feel like Oney, either as a single or as a tag with Burch, have tons of potential and can get over with the house but they never seem to pull the trigger with him. It's a shame to have him as a midcard jobber/gatekeeper but, oh well, at least he's not a jobber at the bottom of the card with no character
Timothy Thatcher would have been so much a better fit at NWA. NXT is just going to build him up as he is, then he'll go onto WWE where he'll wear some stupid facepaint and have some stupid catch phrase.
if I wanted to watch ufc style matches I'd watch ufc
As much as we all may have enjoyed this match. This was the lowest rated part of nxt on this episode. This style does give credibility to the show. But it takes a while to get over. Lorcan and Thatcher need to be in front of a crowd. Crowd may not be into it at first, but by the end. Theyll have the crowd in their hands.
How is there no views but two likes; how do you know of you haven't finished watching the video
Possible that people are liking the video to watch later or the uploader could like the video prior to publishing.
Its a well known issue on youtube. Bascially views update slower than likes.
They just need to give Oney his indie name back. Biff Busick is a much better name in my opinion.
I'm sorry but Maruo Ranollo is a big part of why I can't watch NXT. His voice just annoys me. It sounds too forced. It sounds like he's in pain. It doesn't sound like he's actually interested or excited.
I couldn'Take him seriously while commentating "main roster' matches; he sounded sooo cartoony it pissed me off. Now, I just miss Nigel McGuinness who madEven Michael Cole sound good (their chemistry in the inaugural United Kingdom Championship Tournament👏).
This being so over with cornettes audience because the over 50 audience is NXT's Audience. If you havent noticed, NXT and AEW split Raw and smackdown's audience because vince wanted to punish them.
The elderly fans who are grumpy and old are them demo of NXT.
Im not watching either but these NXT guys are never over on the main roster, unless they were already stars who didnt need developmental other than for WWE wanting to bury another promotion. Nakamura and Bobby Roode didnt need developmental training outside of working WWEs stupid entertainment style.
These straight "shoot" (totally fake also) looking rsastlers will never be over without A plus charisma and a plus promos.
Flair and Dusty were over because of promos. Not in ring work
Couldn't agree more with you.Rock,Steve Austin,Hogan were average wrestler but their character,charisma and mic skills made them over with the casuals.I am not gonna watch a wrestling match if I am not interested in their character. Can you imagine Undertaker without character.Pro wrestling is scripted aka fake if I wanted to great wrestling matches,I would watch real wrestling
You do realise AEWs biggest demo is that elderly 50 plus demo.....
Bet Ric and Dusty would slap you for suggesting their ring work didn't go hand in hand with promos in getting them over. How you work in the ring adds to your character. Savage, Bryan, Hart (both of them) Angle, just for example. That's a foolish statement you made...
WTF are you talking about?
@@gamechanger700 It's funny because the only reason Undertaker had a career in WWE was his athleticism and technique. Otherwise, what's the difference between him and Mordecai ?