This is exactly what I need, thanks for the advice, the Pi has come so far since the Raspberry Pi 1. Also i checked your website and it has an amazing emulation guide for the RPI4/400 explaining Retropie, Recallbox and Batocera. With that guide and this video I'll have the pi400 set up in no time. I ended up changing the SSD I'm pairing with the pi400, I went with a 256gb model (only £10 more) instead of a 120gb. Can't wait for Friday when it arrives.
Very welcome Daniel! Let me know how it goes once your stuff arrives. If you find anything missing or can't find it on the site, let me know and I'll do what I can to assist.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you Wagner, I really appreciate all your help and advice. Your channel and website is a great resource. My Pi 400 arrived this morning and the SATA 256gb SSD. It's the first SSD I've bought and it's insanely light, i ended up going with a brand called CORE. The 400 has a really nice build quality and so do the Pi mouse and power supply. I'm gonna get started with PINN Lite and then the emulators. I'll post how it goes.
@@dgmr22 Awesome, looking forward to hearing about your experiences with it. I'd recommend installing Recalbox and RetroPie for Retro Gaming emulation. Recalbox is easier to setup, but RetroPie has several more emulators that can be added (some not available in RetroPie). Have fun!
I had a little fun with project space. it allowed modifications with out erasing what you already installed when you apply project space before you install your initial OS’s
hello, thanks for the video. i have a question. in your video you install multiple different os on the same sd card. my question is, can we install 2 or more same os on the sd card? so for example i have a RPiOS for work and a second RPiOS for non work, etc thanks in advance.
I don't think you can select the same OS twice. However, you could install the 32/64 bit versions of PiOS for two separate installs. Or, PiOS and TwisterOS (I prefer TwisterOS). Hope some of that helps!
Hi, stumbled across this video (and your others), whilst deciding to sort out my Pi 4 Argon M.2. Great tutorials. I had set up my Pi 4 / Argon previously following a BerryBoot guide and installed two OS (Raspbian and Twister), but it would only ever boot into Twister. Looks like I'll be following this guide to re-flash the SD card and SSD ad installing PINN Lite. P.S. Do you know how do Amiga games on Recallbox compare to Amiberry? Always wanted an Amiga Emulator.
Hi Bill, I actually installed PINN Lite on another microSD just last week. Used it for several different OSes, including Raspbian, TwisterOS and several others and it worked out well (for an upcoming product review). Also installed Recalbox, there is an Amiga emulator but I've used it very little with Recalbox and can't really comment much more on that.
So, all installed and I have added a selection of operating systems. Very hot today and during the install the Argon Case was extremely hot to touch, so I spent the time getting the CPU temp to display and then trying (and failing) to see if I could get the fan on (CPU did only say 54 degrees C. I then installed DarkElevenAngels alternative fan script - but did not get a chance to get the fan going.
If I recall correctly, I think there is a jumper switch within the Argon M.2 case that you can flip on so that the fan remains on at all times (if interested). That may be more helpful for you instead of having to install the fan scripts on each OS you just installed.
hey, ive got a quick question for you, im trying to run a pi4 as a entertainment system for a honda oddesy van. i want to run PINN so i can have retropie, rasbian so i can optimize the case cooling and power settings, and the new android 13 by konsta, but the android is a custom os and not one offered in PINN, is there any way i could use a custom OS inside of PINN and do you know if the fan settings will stay optimized in a different OS from rasbain, thanks in advance, love the vids, and i guess this isint a quick question
Thank you regarding the vids, I appreciate your support! You'll have to perform the case cooling installation/setup on a per-OS basis for the fan settings. You can find more documentation here on PINN and customization options: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#download that
wown you bypassed alot of instructions like how boot into the scard. people like you really forget that we are all on different levels of learnin and some are slower to.
Are you sure it's me who bypassed how to boot into the SD Card? How to create the image: 01:00 and what happens when you first boot 02:47 . Hmm, maybe you commented on the wrong video? "People like me" show you the entire process 😎. Can't help you if you skip around though, that's not on me.
Cannot get the os list right, many missing, especially the Manjaro ones that I need. Messing with cmdline.txt or with all other options doesn't help either.
You may want to check out their Wiki here: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md They have solutions for many problems and additional details to assist.
Nice tutorial, this is exactly what I was looking for. I do have another question, I also have the Argon1 case with an m.2 ssd and now I want to copy my roms on the m.2 ssd, only batocera does not see my m.2 disk. But I do see all installations of the other os that I have installed from PINN. Do you maybe know how I can solve this?
Thank you Michael, I don't have a direct answer as that's not a scenario I tested. You may consider copying the games to an interim location (NAS, external drive, USB stick, etc.) then copy them down to the batocera image. I know it's more of a pain that way, but would get the job done if batocera isn't seeing the m.2 drive.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you for your quick response. option, won't put the retro roms on my m.2 ssd. I do have another question that you might be able to help me with. I have found the solution. If I format my m.2 disk in batocera, I do see the full size.. only then I lose all my other os systems. Is it possible for me to divide the m.2 ssd into 2 partitions so that I reserve one part for batocera and one part for my other os? Do you happen to know in which format I should do that for PINN? Because if i reboot to PINN and select my m.2 ssd, i get a message if i want to reformat my disk.
As far as I know, once you select the OSes from the list and install them, that's it. You can always wipe them out and start over, adding the ones you want (i.e. recalbox, RetroPie, PiOS, etc.) The PINN Lite documentation may be found here, incase I've missed something: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#download
Hi, thanks for the great video explaining how to multi boot operating systems. That's pretty slick. This is all new to me I'm just getting into Raspberry Pi. I literally haven't even bought a system yet . I did have a question however. I was going to simply build a system to do a Pi4 8gb retropie gaming system , however seeing that you can multi boot I'm considering maybe setting up an alternative operating system or two. My question was, when I did a little research people basically said using an SSD drive would be more stable than an SD card for speed and rewrite ability so I was going to go that direction. But with that I was wondering can you set up a Raspberry Pi so that you can access both an SSD drive as well as an SD card ? Say have a different operating system on each and then you can boot between the two if they're both plugged in/connected? Or is it only capable of looking at one location? It's a slightly different flavor of what you're explaining I think but I'm not sure if it's possible.
Very welcome. Here's another option you may want to consider: czcams.com/video/1Cqta4go45U/video.html (PINN Lite). SSD is more reliable and a bit faster for large files. However, for boot time no substantial difference. With both, they start booting with the microSD then load the OS from the SSD (both are needed). I'm not aware of an SSD-only way to use either BB or PL.
@@WagnersTechTalk Hi again. I had a few follow up questions. I did go ahead and buy the 8GB Pi4 + 128GB SD Card came included…. But I also bought a 960GB SSD. You said both SS and ssd are needed … does that mean the SD is acting the boot Drive and ssd and the storage Drive essentially? My other Qs were: A) could I setup where say Twister, and maybe another OS or 2 for media streaming, productivity, etc on SD … yet just RetroPie to the SSD so I could have max space on the SSD for a huge gaming image? B) that Utility tab… is there Control there for how big each OS partition is? (If you don’t want them auto-splitting the Drive space equally?)
@@MysteriousRJC Yes, the SD acts as the boot drive for the SSD. A) The SSD where the OS will typically be installed. Though, you could use a decently sized SD card as well. B) I don't recall seeing the option to resize the partition, but I could be wrong on this one. The application gparted could likely be used to resize post-install but I'd double-check that early on in the setup process to be sure.
Great! Please see my video and guide here that will help with RetroPie, Recalbox and Batocera. There is also a 10 RetroPie tips video that you'll want to check out (after you have copied some games): wagnerstechtalk.com/rpi4gaming/#Installing_ROMs Hope that helps!
Thanks! I don't have the Pi in front of me but I don't see an answer in their documentation: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md . Normally you wouldn't enter the recovery menu unless there is an issue, so it likely assumes you'll restart anyways from that point.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for response. I finally figured it out, for some reason the installation hadn't happened properly though I got a popup saying installation complete. Anyway, reinstalling fixed it. Thanks again.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thanks, i apreciate your answer (is not normal to me), im checking what i can do, anyways im using PINN to install some OS's, i wanted to install a personal OS because i want to be sure that the OS is up to date, but it seems to have the newest versions of the systems that i want so im just checking a little bit more to see if i found something
I'm trying to install and dual boot to Lakka & Manjaro XFCE on my Rpi4 B+ 8gb. Both installed successfully, I can go in Lakka, but I can't boot into Manjaro? I have a 256gb sd card already formatted, I followed the steps, but I can't figured out why Manjaro won't boot, I'm stuck at a black screen and no response.
You may want to post your question here for a faster answer: github.com/procount/pinn/discussions . It's not an OS I've used lately under PINN. Someone there may have a suggestion.
@@WagnersTechTalk I actually found my answer soon after and replied to my own comment, but apparently youtube blocked me cus I had a link to the resolved same issue on github. It was bcuz I was using my samsung tv, for some reason, it doesn't like any res 1366x768. So I use my other monitor (1920x1080) and its fine now! Thanks anyway!
Tried to use the utility today, but as soon as the process started I got an error message: "Error creating partition table". M.2 ssd mounted on my argon case. I'll try to format the ssd from Raspberry Pi OS and try again...
@@WagnersTechTalk nothing. I removed all the partitions that (I guess) Pinn had created during the failed attempts. I used GPart on Ubuntu Mate. I keep getting the same error. The SSD is a WD Blue series mounted on the M.2 Argon case. Any idea why this keeps happening?
With the 1TB Samsung drive, just installed the OSes, shutdown the Pi4, powered on and I was good to go. If the same is not working here, I'd check my connections. Perhaps do a simple test with just 1-2 OSes to see what happens. I assume you're using an ArgonONE M.2 case? If not, make sure any USB SSD adapters are USB 3.0 (blue USB-A connectors). Failing that, I'd try another SSD to rule out a defective drive. Perhaps, even try just using a 32GB microSD and install a few OSes without going to the SSD (use Raspberry Pi Imager to format it to FAT32). That will likely rule out any issues with the case/Pi 4. Hope this helps!
I tried Berryboot before but I have encountered the following issues with it: - Bluetooth mouse and keyboard are not recognised at the OSes screen selection. I have to use a wired keyboard to do that - Berryboot somehow modifies the main user privileges, at least on TwisterOS which is my main OS on my RPi4. This renders everything much more complicated and even writing on a USB device is a headache. I have to create a mounting point, then manually mount... It's a mess. How does Pinn lite behave in this regard?
I did test it with a 16GB USB stick (formatted as FAT32) and had no issues reading/writing. Inserting the USB stick picked up immediately without having to modify any user privilege's, etc. I have not tested a BT mouse+keyboard, I always use a USB keyboard these days. Just makes things easier overall. I hope some of this is helpful!
@@WagnersTechTalk so, I tried again with a 128gb and a 64gb sd cards. The installation of 6 OSes goes through on either one: the space taken on the SD card is over 8GB with a quite messy partition table (lots of tiny unused space left between partitions) and that's why I think the partition table could not be created on the 4GB card I used previously. Some of the OSes take up to 3GB on the SD card despite having been installed on the SSD. Twister OS and Raspberry Pi OS boot and work with no issues. I have also installed Recalbox, Retropie and Batocera for retrigaming as well as LibreElec for media streaming. Recalbox is the only OS that fails to boot, I have installed the one that says (use this one!). Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks
@@WagnersTechTalk update: Recalbox boots now, I had to change the timeout for the HDMI output to be recognised by my monitor. Strangely the output was going through the second HDMI port and the resolution was quite low. I got another issue now: the recalbox partition seems to be on the sd card as opposed to being on the ssd. Also, I don't seem to be able to change any of the settings within the recalbox GUI, such as connecting to the WiFi, changing the volume output... One of the lines reads "system memory 128mb/128mb", as if the partition was completely full. Probably that's why the settings won't change?
Hi Wagner, I had a question in regards to PINN Lite. So I've got PINN Lite on the 16gb micro sdhc, with the 256gb SSD in a usb 3 port. What I am unsure about is if i should solely run all the OS's from the micro sdhc card and use the SSD just for games and media (rom collections, DOS games for dosbox etc) what do you recommend. One other question, is it best to install the 64bit versions where possible for snappier operation (benchmarks showed in some areas 48% improvement over the 32bit iteration in regards to the RPI OS at least)
I use the microSD to boot and all the OSes on the SSD. Read-write speeds on the SSD will be faster than the microSD (well, should be). Going with 64-bit where possible is a good idea. May want both PiOS 32/64 just incase something you want to run isn't available in 64-bit. There is a tool called gparted for resizing partitions after install (incase you want to play with it before you begin adding stuff). I tried it, not extensively and came in pretty handy. Not extensive documentation, but here is where gparted was used on a handheld from a Raspberry Pi: wagnerstechtalk.com/rg350tips/#Expand_Partition (may be useful)
@@WagnersTechTalk Awesome I'll do that then, i didn't think about installing both 32 and 64bit versions of RPiOS, good idea. I'll also check Gparted, it sounds like it will be very useful. I've used a partition tool on Windows called Minitool partition wizard (when setting up stuff for Wii u/vWii/Switch homebrew etc) Thanks for the speedy reply, I'll get started xD.
Best to play around with tools, like gparted, before having set everything up. That way, if something hoses up early-on you can start over without getting too frustrated about it. Not necessarily saying you should use the tool, but not sure exactly what you'll be installing and how much space you'll need allocated. I think you can designate one of the partitions without an OS, might be good for putting your games on that partition and allow it to be shared with RetroPie+Recalbox to avoid duplication. Link to the PINN Lite manual is in the video description, if needed. I kept the video mostly at the basics, but may be handy.
@@WagnersTechTalk So I'm finally starting the install, after hours of reading, weighing up pros and cons lol, I decided to install everything too SD/SSD like you said, I thought I would use this install as the trial run. Then start from scratch and do a final install, only with the things I definitely want to keep. I went with both 32 and 64 bit RPiOS, Kali 64, lineageOS 19, Twister, UbuntuMate 2110 64 (i skipped the standard Ubuntu because I read that Ubuntu doesn't like having multiple versions of itself installed (even if from different distros) arch2, dietpi and raspex4. I really liked the look of Twister in your video, so I think that will be a keeper. I wanted RiscOS and Debian but when choosing SSD those 2 OS aren't available for install. Perhaps RISC can only run from SD, i know LineageOS only has partial USB support. I promised myself i wouldn't play about with Android after it killed one of my 32gb micro SD when setting it up to run on my Switch LOL. I thought about Armbian especially now it has official Pi support, but I think Arch will be better instead. I went with all 4 emulation frontends and one of each of the media/audio players. Thanks again for all your help and advice thus far, your channel and website are great, i can tell it's a real labour of love for you.
@@WagnersTechTalk I'm really sorry to inundate you with messages. But after starting the install it failed once it got to Recallbox and said it needed a shared partition. I'm such a Pi noob, actually scratch that I'm a Linux noob too lol. Edit Now it just says error creating partition table?
It is possible, but beyond the scope of this introduction to PINN. Please see "Local Images on USB stick" here github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#installing-oses
@@WagnersTechTalk Thanks, but I would like to mount an ISO file that contains my personale OS. This ISO is located in a network folder. Is it possible? Many Thanks.
@@Milantoni Sorry Marco, I don't have an answer for you. You may be able to use the file manager in PiOS/TwisterOS to connect to the remote share, mount the drive and copy what you need to a local install. But I've honestly not tried it. Hopefully something there will give you an idea.
Switched my Pi on a week ago and the screen wouldn't come on, eventually sussed out that it was the PSU on the monitor. Thinking it was the Pi I switched the Pi on and off a couple of times. Now that the monitor is fixed the Pi seems to take a long time to boot and when it does it eventually only shows this screen. i.imgur.com/kjrbVgW.jpg No start menu. Looks like the multi boot has screwed up? Any idea how I can fix this without reinstalling everything?
Hi Bill, I've not personally encountered this issue and don't have a solution for you. However, you may want to post a comment here with the issue and perhaps one of the devs may have a suggestion for you: forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=142574&sid=3320f3547960d57db4d7abde82bc867a&start=1725 . If you hear back, please let me know.
@@WagnersTechTalk will do thanks. I used to use the Forums a lot, but over the years other forms of social media have shadowed and diluted access to sound information.
Thank you!
And boy ohh boy you weren't kidding when you mentioned it was agonizing to update twister OS!
Very welcome, yeah that was pretty darn tedious lol
All in a day's work ehh....
Hey, quick question. For the librelec did you get the matrix version or Leia?
I am struggling to get matrix on my pi.
Thank you ... that's what I've been waiting for
You're welcome!
This is exactly what I need, thanks for the advice, the Pi has come so far since the Raspberry Pi 1.
Also i checked your website and it has an amazing emulation guide for the RPI4/400 explaining Retropie, Recallbox and Batocera. With that guide and this video I'll have the pi400 set up in no time.
I ended up changing the SSD I'm pairing with the pi400, I went with a 256gb model (only £10 more) instead of a 120gb. Can't wait for Friday when it arrives.
Very welcome Daniel! Let me know how it goes once your stuff arrives. If you find anything missing or can't find it on the site, let me know and I'll do what I can to assist.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you Wagner, I really appreciate all your help and advice. Your channel and website is a great resource. My Pi 400 arrived this morning and the SATA 256gb SSD. It's the first SSD I've bought and it's insanely light, i ended up going with a brand called CORE. The 400 has a really nice build quality and so do the Pi mouse and power supply. I'm gonna get started with PINN Lite and then the emulators. I'll post how it goes.
@@dgmr22 Awesome, looking forward to hearing about your experiences with it. I'd recommend installing Recalbox and RetroPie for Retro Gaming emulation. Recalbox is easier to setup, but RetroPie has several more emulators that can be added (some not available in RetroPie). Have fun!
Pinn is in the RPI Imager under Misc utility images
I had a little fun with project space. it allowed modifications with out erasing what you already installed when you apply project space before you install your initial OS’s
Good point Joshua, yes they can be handy.
What is project space?
Thanks a lot! I was struggling to install and boot kali from an SSD
You are very welcome, happy this was helpful to you!
i realize it is pretty off topic but does anybody know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Zane Turner meh I use Flixportal. You can find it on google:D -jacob
@Jacob Bentley Thank you, I went there and it seems like a nice service :D Appreciate it !!
@Zane Turner You are welcome xD
hello, thanks for the video. i have a question. in your video you install multiple different os on the same sd card. my question is, can we install 2 or more same os on the sd card?
so for example i have a RPiOS for work and a second RPiOS for non work, etc
thanks in advance.
I don't think you can select the same OS twice. However, you could install the 32/64 bit versions of PiOS for two separate installs. Or, PiOS and TwisterOS (I prefer TwisterOS). Hope some of that helps!
@@WagnersTechTalk that's a good idea, i forgot there's a 32 and 64 bit version of the os. thanks
Hi, stumbled across this video (and your others), whilst deciding to sort out my Pi 4 Argon M.2. Great tutorials. I had set up my Pi 4 / Argon previously following a BerryBoot guide and installed two OS (Raspbian and Twister), but it would only ever boot into Twister. Looks like I'll be following this guide to re-flash the SD card and SSD ad installing PINN Lite. P.S. Do you know how do Amiga games on Recallbox compare to Amiberry? Always wanted an Amiga Emulator.
Hi Bill, I actually installed PINN Lite on another microSD just last week. Used it for several different OSes, including Raspbian, TwisterOS and several others and it worked out well (for an upcoming product review). Also installed Recalbox, there is an Amiga emulator but I've used it very little with Recalbox and can't really comment much more on that.
@@WagnersTechTalk Installing now.
So, all installed and I have added a selection of operating systems. Very hot today and during the install the Argon Case was extremely hot to touch, so I spent the time getting the CPU temp to display and then trying (and failing) to see if I could get the fan on (CPU did only say 54 degrees C. I then installed DarkElevenAngels alternative fan script - but did not get a chance to get the fan going.
If I recall correctly, I think there is a jumper switch within the Argon M.2 case that you can flip on so that the fan remains on at all times (if interested). That may be more helpful for you instead of having to install the fan scripts on each OS you just installed.
hey, ive got a quick question for you, im trying to run a pi4 as a entertainment system for a honda oddesy van. i want to run PINN so i can have retropie, rasbian so i can optimize the case cooling and power settings, and the new android 13 by konsta, but the android is a custom os and not one offered in PINN, is there any way i could use a custom OS inside of PINN and do you know if the fan settings will stay optimized in a different OS from rasbain, thanks in advance, love the vids, and i guess this isint a quick question
Thank you regarding the vids, I appreciate your support! You'll have to perform the case cooling installation/setup on a per-OS basis for the fan settings. You can find more documentation here on PINN and customization options: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#download that
Great video.Thank you.Do I have to use
micro sd card in this case?I would like to use only m. 2 with pinn lite and OS es but wondering will it work?
Very welcome, thank you for watching! Yes, the microSD stays in the case (16GB is what I used + 1TB M.2 SSD) but the OSes get installed on the SSD.
Is Home Assistant on the list of OS'es?
A new version of pinn was released, but I've not yet had a chance to try it.
Awesome!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
wown you bypassed alot of instructions like how boot into the scard. people like you really forget that we are all on different levels of learnin and some are slower to.
Are you sure it's me who bypassed how to boot into the SD Card? How to create the image: 01:00 and what happens when you first boot 02:47 . Hmm, maybe you commented on the wrong video? "People like me" show you the entire process 😎. Can't help you if you skip around though, that's not on me.
Cannot get the os list right, many missing, especially the Manjaro ones that I need. Messing with cmdline.txt or with all other options doesn't help either.
You may want to check out their Wiki here: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md They have solutions for many problems and additional details to assist.
Nice walkthrough. Only a TB to fill? Haha
Thank you Sir! So many OSes, so little time 😎
Nice tutorial, this is exactly what I was looking for. I do have another question, I also have the Argon1 case with an m.2 ssd and now I want to copy my roms on the m.2 ssd, only batocera does not see my m.2 disk. But I do see all installations of the other os that I have installed from PINN. Do you maybe know how I can solve this?
Thank you Michael, I don't have a direct answer as that's not a scenario I tested. You may consider copying the games to an interim location (NAS, external drive, USB stick, etc.) then copy them down to the batocera image. I know it's more of a pain that way, but would get the job done if batocera isn't seeing the m.2 drive.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you for your quick response. option, won't put the retro roms on my m.2 ssd. I do have another question that you might be able to help me with. I have found the solution. If I format my m.2 disk in batocera, I do see the full size.. only then I lose all my other os systems. Is it possible for me to divide the m.2 ssd into 2 partitions so that I reserve one part for batocera and one part for my other os? Do you happen to know in which format I should do that for PINN? Because if i reboot to PINN and select my m.2 ssd, i get a message if i want to reformat my disk.
hey I already install some oses how can I install a new one without deleting the others and how can I add a os like RetroArch to it?
As far as I know, once you select the OSes from the list and install them, that's it. You can always wipe them out and start over, adding the ones you want (i.e. recalbox, RetroPie, PiOS, etc.) The PINN Lite documentation may be found here, incase I've missed something: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#download
Does pinn lite support game controllers
To navigate the menu?
I'm not sure, that was something I didn't test. I'll likely revisit Pinn later this year on the Pi 5.
Hi, thanks for the great video explaining how to multi boot operating systems. That's pretty slick. This is all new to me I'm just getting into Raspberry Pi. I literally haven't even bought a system yet . I did have a question however. I was going to simply build a system to do a Pi4 8gb retropie gaming system , however seeing that you can multi boot I'm considering maybe setting up an alternative operating system or two. My question was, when I did a little research people basically said using an SSD drive would be more stable than an SD card for speed and rewrite ability so I was going to go that direction. But with that I was wondering can you set up a Raspberry Pi so that you can access both an SSD drive as well as an SD card ? Say have a different operating system on each and then you can boot between the two if they're both plugged in/connected? Or is it only capable of looking at one location? It's a slightly different flavor of what you're explaining I think but I'm not sure if it's possible.
Very welcome. Here's another option you may want to consider: czcams.com/video/1Cqta4go45U/video.html (PINN Lite). SSD is more reliable and a bit faster for large files. However, for boot time no substantial difference. With both, they start booting with the microSD then load the OS from the SSD (both are needed). I'm not aware of an SSD-only way to use either BB or PL.
@@WagnersTechTalk Hi again. I had a few follow up questions. I did go ahead and buy the 8GB Pi4 + 128GB SD Card came included…. But I also bought a 960GB SSD. You said both SS and ssd are needed … does that mean the SD is acting the boot Drive and ssd and the storage Drive essentially?
My other Qs were:
A) could I setup where say Twister, and maybe another OS or 2 for media streaming, productivity, etc on SD … yet just RetroPie to the SSD so I could have max space on the SSD for a huge gaming image?
B) that Utility tab… is there Control there for how big each OS partition is? (If you don’t want them auto-splitting the Drive space equally?)
@@MysteriousRJC Yes, the SD acts as the boot drive for the SSD. A) The SSD where the OS will typically be installed. Though, you could use a decently sized SD card as well. B) I don't recall seeing the option to resize the partition, but I could be wrong on this one. The application gparted could likely be used to resize post-install but I'd double-check that early on in the setup process to be sure.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thanks for the reply
friend worked the installation, installed lineage and retropie, my question is how to put rons in retropie?
Great! Please see my video and guide here that will help with RetroPie, Recalbox and Batocera. There is also a 10 RetroPie tips video that you'll want to check out (after you have copied some games): wagnerstechtalk.com/rpi4gaming/#Installing_ROMs Hope that helps!
Great video. I somehow don't get the bootloader menu once click EXIT on the recovery menu, any idea what could be wrong?
Thanks! I don't have the Pi in front of me but I don't see an answer in their documentation: github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md . Normally you wouldn't enter the recovery menu unless there is an issue, so it likely assumes you'll restart anyways from that point.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you for response. I finally figured it out, for some reason the installation hadn't happened properly though I got a popup saying installation complete.
Anyway, reinstalling fixed it. Thanks again.
Great to hear, glad you got it!
There is a way to put a personal OS without selecting the PINN ones?
Not sure on that one, check the description for a link to the PINN site.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thanks, i apreciate your answer (is not normal to me), im checking what i can do, anyways im using PINN to install some OS's, i wanted to install a personal OS because i want to be sure that the OS is up to date, but it seems to have the newest versions of the systems that i want so im just checking a little bit more to see if i found something
I'm trying to install and dual boot to Lakka & Manjaro XFCE on my Rpi4 B+ 8gb. Both installed successfully, I can go in Lakka, but I can't boot into Manjaro? I have a 256gb sd card already formatted, I followed the steps, but I can't figured out why Manjaro won't boot, I'm stuck at a black screen and no response.
You may want to post your question here for a faster answer: github.com/procount/pinn/discussions . It's not an OS I've used lately under PINN. Someone there may have a suggestion.
@@WagnersTechTalk I actually found my answer soon after and replied to my own comment, but apparently youtube blocked me cus I had a link to the resolved same issue on github. It was bcuz I was using my samsung tv, for some reason, it doesn't like any res 1366x768. So I use my other monitor (1920x1080) and its fine now! Thanks anyway!
Can someone please tell me why when you install it the drive only shows at 1MB
Tried to use the utility today, but as soon as the process started I got an error message: "Error creating partition table". M.2 ssd mounted on my argon case. I'll try to format the ssd from Raspberry Pi OS and try again...
Try rebooting first, then see if that clears it up.
@@WagnersTechTalk nothing. I removed all the partitions that (I guess) Pinn had created during the failed attempts. I used GPart on Ubuntu Mate. I keep getting the same error. The SSD is a WD Blue series mounted on the M.2 Argon case. Any idea why this keeps happening?
With the 1TB Samsung drive, just installed the OSes, shutdown the Pi4, powered on and I was good to go. If the same is not working here, I'd check my connections. Perhaps do a simple test with just 1-2 OSes to see what happens. I assume you're using an ArgonONE M.2 case? If not, make sure any USB SSD adapters are USB 3.0 (blue USB-A connectors). Failing that, I'd try another SSD to rule out a defective drive. Perhaps, even try just using a 32GB microSD and install a few OSes without going to the SSD (use Raspberry Pi Imager to format it to FAT32). That will likely rule out any issues with the case/Pi 4. Hope this helps!
I tried Berryboot before but I have encountered the following issues with it:
- Bluetooth mouse and keyboard are not recognised at the OSes screen selection. I have to use a wired keyboard to do that
- Berryboot somehow modifies the main user privileges, at least on TwisterOS which is my main OS on my RPi4. This renders everything much more complicated and even writing on a USB device is a headache. I have to create a mounting point, then manually mount... It's a mess.
How does Pinn lite behave in this regard?
I did test it with a 16GB USB stick (formatted as FAT32) and had no issues reading/writing. Inserting the USB stick picked up immediately without having to modify any user privilege's, etc. I have not tested a BT mouse+keyboard, I always use a USB keyboard these days. Just makes things easier overall. I hope some of this is helpful!
@@WagnersTechTalk so, I tried again with a 128gb and a 64gb sd cards. The installation of 6 OSes goes through on either one: the space taken on the SD card is over 8GB with a quite messy partition table (lots of tiny unused space left between partitions) and that's why I think the partition table could not be created on the 4GB card I used previously. Some of the OSes take up to 3GB on the SD card despite having been installed on the SSD.
Twister OS and Raspberry Pi OS boot and work with no issues. I have also installed Recalbox, Retropie and Batocera for retrigaming as well as LibreElec for media streaming. Recalbox is the only OS that fails to boot, I have installed the one that says (use this one!). Do you have any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks
@@WagnersTechTalk update: Recalbox boots now, I had to change the timeout for the HDMI output to be recognised by my monitor. Strangely the output was going through the second HDMI port and the resolution was quite low. I got another issue now: the recalbox partition seems to be on the sd card as opposed to being on the ssd. Also, I don't seem to be able to change any of the settings within the recalbox GUI, such as connecting to the WiFi, changing the volume output... One of the lines reads "system memory 128mb/128mb", as if the partition was completely full. Probably that's why the settings won't change?
Have You tried to overclock any OS with pinn?
Hi Wagner, I had a question in regards to PINN Lite.
So I've got PINN Lite on the 16gb micro sdhc, with the 256gb SSD in a usb 3 port. What I am unsure about is if i should solely run all the OS's from the micro sdhc card and use the SSD just for games and media (rom collections, DOS games for dosbox etc) what do you recommend.
One other question, is it best to install the 64bit versions where possible for snappier operation (benchmarks showed in some areas 48% improvement over the 32bit iteration in regards to the RPI OS at least)
I use the microSD to boot and all the OSes on the SSD. Read-write speeds on the SSD will be faster than the microSD (well, should be). Going with 64-bit where possible is a good idea. May want both PiOS 32/64 just incase something you want to run isn't available in 64-bit. There is a tool called gparted for resizing partitions after install (incase you want to play with it before you begin adding stuff). I tried it, not extensively and came in pretty handy. Not extensive documentation, but here is where gparted was used on a handheld from a Raspberry Pi: wagnerstechtalk.com/rg350tips/#Expand_Partition (may be useful)
@@WagnersTechTalk Awesome I'll do that then, i didn't think about installing both 32 and 64bit versions of RPiOS, good idea. I'll also check Gparted, it sounds like it will be very useful. I've used a partition tool on Windows called Minitool partition wizard (when setting up stuff for Wii u/vWii/Switch homebrew etc) Thanks for the speedy reply, I'll get started xD.
Best to play around with tools, like gparted, before having set everything up. That way, if something hoses up early-on you can start over without getting too frustrated about it. Not necessarily saying you should use the tool, but not sure exactly what you'll be installing and how much space you'll need allocated. I think you can designate one of the partitions without an OS, might be good for putting your games on that partition and allow it to be shared with RetroPie+Recalbox to avoid duplication. Link to the PINN Lite manual is in the video description, if needed. I kept the video mostly at the basics, but may be handy.
@@WagnersTechTalk So I'm finally starting the install, after hours of reading, weighing up pros and cons lol, I decided to install everything too SD/SSD like you said, I thought I would use this install as the trial run. Then start from scratch and do a final install, only with the things I definitely want to keep.
I went with both 32 and 64 bit RPiOS, Kali 64, lineageOS 19, Twister, UbuntuMate 2110 64 (i skipped the standard Ubuntu because I read that Ubuntu doesn't like having multiple versions of itself installed (even if from different distros) arch2, dietpi and raspex4.
I really liked the look of Twister in your video, so I think that will be a keeper.
I wanted RiscOS and Debian but when choosing SSD those 2 OS aren't available for install. Perhaps RISC can only run from SD, i know LineageOS only has partial USB support. I promised myself i wouldn't play about with Android after it killed one of my 32gb micro SD when setting it up to run on my Switch LOL. I thought about Armbian especially now it has official Pi support, but I think Arch will be better instead.
I went with all 4 emulation frontends and one of each of the media/audio players.
Thanks again for all your help and advice thus far, your channel and website are great, i can tell it's a real labour of love for you.
@@WagnersTechTalk I'm really sorry to inundate you with messages. But after starting the install it failed once it got to Recallbox and said it needed a shared partition. I'm such a Pi noob, actually scratch that I'm a Linux noob too lol.
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Now it just says error creating partition table?
Is it possibile to mount an external iso/Os saved in a file?
It is possible, but beyond the scope of this introduction to PINN. Please see "Local Images on USB stick" here github.com/procount/pinn/blob/master/README_PINN.md#installing-oses
@@WagnersTechTalk Thanks, but I would like to mount an ISO file that contains my personale OS. This ISO is located in a network folder. Is it possible? Many Thanks.
@@Milantoni Sorry Marco, I don't have an answer for you. You may be able to use the file manager in PiOS/TwisterOS to connect to the remote share, mount the drive and copy what you need to a local install. But I've honestly not tried it. Hopefully something there will give you an idea.
takes about half an hour to boot into the first os ?????
No, not sure where you got that impression. Boot into most OSes is
Switched my Pi on a week ago and the screen wouldn't come on, eventually sussed out that it was the PSU on the monitor. Thinking it was the Pi I switched the Pi on and off a couple of times. Now that the monitor is fixed the Pi seems to take a long time to boot and when it does it eventually only shows this screen. i.imgur.com/kjrbVgW.jpg No start menu. Looks like the multi boot has screwed up? Any idea how I can fix this without reinstalling everything?
Hi Bill, I've not personally encountered this issue and don't have a solution for you. However, you may want to post a comment here with the issue and perhaps one of the devs may have a suggestion for you: forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=142574&sid=3320f3547960d57db4d7abde82bc867a&start=1725 . If you hear back, please let me know.
@@WagnersTechTalk will do thanks. I used to use the Forums a lot, but over the years other forms of social media have shadowed and diluted access to sound information.