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What is wrong with the Film "Industry" - with Sarmad Khoosat, Jami, Iram Parveen and Saim Sadiq
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2020
- In the first of a new subset of The Pakistan Experience, it is our honour to present the TPE Roundtable on Films with directors Sarmad Khoosat, Iram Parveen Bilal, Jami and Saim Sadiq.
We discuss the current state of our film industry, the idea of a film fraternity, censorship and what it takes to make a film in Pakistan.
Sarmad Khoosat is the legendary director behind hits like Humsafar, and he starred in and director the artistic masterpiece, 'Manto''.
Jami is one of the most foremost directors in Pakistan, with his movie, 'Moor', widely being regarded as one of the finest Pakistani films ever made.
Iram Parveen Bilal is an independent film maker, whose film Josh received critical acclaim in Pakistan. Iram runs a script writing mentor program in South Asia called Qalambaaz. Currently about to release her next feature ILL MEET YOU THERE (urdu title: Bismil) that was in comp at SXSW2020.
Saim Sadiq has a MFA in film from Columbia University. His first short film, Darling, won the coveted Best Short Film award at the Venice Film Festival.
TPE Roundtables looks to bring industry leaders to discuss the current state of any field.
The Pakistan Experience is a podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan, and Pakistanis, through the lost art of conversation.
Did i tell you how much i love this youtube channel?
This is what pakistan needed!
Just started to watch the podcasts few days back.... Started with Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed's podcast...and then went on to binge watching Tariq Ali and Jibran Nasir's podcast.... All the podcasts were very interesting and intriguing....Keep up the good work!!
And just a small suggestion.... do some more podcasts on the dying cultures and languages in Pakistan majorly Punjabi... This issue really needs to be raised and educate people to be proud of their culture and mother tongue(including the Sindhi and Balochi too). Though I remeber you did one with LUMS professor.. that was kinda good too.... but do more on this issue not because I hate Urdu but just to educate people in taking proud in whats their...I love Urdu btw.... and above all Let us all serve humanity together.
Indian film makers like Anurag didn't have it easy but they kept on making movies and now they have build a audience for themselves.
Up govt used to fund his movies
Anurag kashyap is lone warrior 🙏
Different scenario
Loving this podcast! It's time this conversation is held. Thanks The Pakistan Experience.
@@SamiQahar ?!
Never seen a pakistani film.. But I came across this great chat and I am happy that now I know, how Pakistan is looking up and thriving in the hands of good directors.. Absolute delicious video for a movie nerd like me..
Try the following movies if you are a movie buff:
Josh (2013)
Main Hoon Shahid Afridi (2013)
Moor (2015)
Shah (2015)
Motorcycle Girl (2018)
Available on CZcams
Watch old movie of shaan.. U will understand
Amazing panel ... Wonderful podcast ... Very enlightening and educating ... Thank you guys ... 👍🏻🥂
I wish Sarmad wud speak on Film Companion with Anupama Chopra
Thank you & kudos to you Shehzad for having all of them in.
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Need more on Pakistan's films.
Man, the episode I am so excited to see now - thanks Shahzad!
Insightful conversation with an amazing panel. Please invite Pakistani entrepreneurs and tech experts on the show it'd be interesting to listen you have a conversation with them.
Shahzad, I don't know if you'll ever read this but there's something that keeps me getting back to this ocean of motivation, knowledge & inspiration. Tysm for doing this and for all that you do^
I don't understand why I'm so late to have stumbled upon this channel. Absolutely love the podcasts.♥️
Watched this after watching Zindagi Tamasha (now free on CZcams). Excellent film.
What an amazingly brilliant talk. Love all three film makers and their work.
I watched Josh,Cake and Manto. I loved it. Missing ur work
Speakers are constantly mentioning that pakistani population is lower than India's. I think thats a defeatist view in a way that Telugus, Tamils, Malayalis, Kannadiga's population is way lesser than pakistan but their film industries are thriving. And moreover Hindi movies doesn't have a market in South and East. All it requires one blockbuster and an excellent marketing machinery.
Yar. This is good. Shehzad, you should know you're putting mature perspectives out through these fine people. Shabash and Shukriya.
Shahjad Bhai u are doing great job to the society , at least u have started discussion on those issue which are so prevalent and undicusued yet experienced in both countries ( India and Pak) with such a insightful presentation of your thoughts, ur podcast are always full of knowledge and gives different perspective about how a thing or event can be viewed...
And Yes, thank u for bringing wonderful people on your podcast as always ......
Thanks Shazad to presenting such a wonderful program with such talented people.
Mauj kardi.bete... Saare heavy Panelists hain yahan toh.. tum toh heavy podcasters nikle tum toh.!
Jami jo bol gaye hain na iss episode pey.... Epic! Major truth bombs.
Love you Shehzad and your work.
Loved all creative n intellectuals on board.
Another great video!! I guess this is how I will be spending the rest of my vacation 😅
Also had an instant crush on Jami 😻🤤 now I am gonna have to go look up who he is 🤓...
There should be these kinds of conversations. And zindagi tamasha was an excellent movie.
India mai ASHRAM ban sakati hai lekin pakistan mai MADARSA pe series nahi ban sakati isi liye cinema grow nahi hora
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Maddy Bhau, Khuda Ke Liye (2007) dekh le (main bhi aap ki tarah soch ta tha 😂 after watching that movie galat faimi dur ho gayi)
@@ZeeshanMRaje Mera kahane ka ye makasad nahi ke pakistan me secular aur liberal flim maker's nahi hai .. who log to hai but extremism itana hai ki Industry grow nahi kar payi tu soch bhi nahi sakata ki PK kitani against hai Hinduism se fir bhi humane accept kar li pakistan me pk jaisi liberal flim kabhi nahi banegi i
@@RoarMaddy waisi ap kyu expect kar rahe ho Pakistan se
@@ZeeshanMRaje debate hi usipe hai ki cinema grow nahi hora mai sirf apana opinion de raha haun
This is one of the best Podcast of yours. Keep it up
I attended the BinRoye premiere in Dallas and yes Bajrangi Bhaijaan was right there in front is us with both the posters all over the theatre and I didn’t even look at Salman Khan - I was so consumed with so much pride and joy seeing Humayun Saeed and Mahira Khan walking down the red carpet and ppl clapping and hooting throughout the movie, that moment is unmatched by any Bollywood movie -
That's emotional of u and nothing.. Bollywood has gone very far
This is my favourite episode so far.
@@ThePakistanExperience I hate my own episodes....
Saim is the new sexy... Main purana ho gaya hun....
What is wrong with the Pakistani film industry is....that first, it's trying to resurrect out of the ashes left by Sultan Rahi's (I blame late Zia ul Haq also) Gandasa culture, and second, the ones who are trying to resurrect it, the subjects they are picking are sooooooo serious that they do not read with a common Pakistani. Critically acclaimed movies are good for winning awards but they do not provide entertainment to a common man. They are already terrified of news channels and their family concerns. They need light comedies, romance, mystery, horror, thriller, the typical commercial film, with better quality. Parallel cinema should have a presence, but it should not be hovering over general perspective of 'entertainment'. Why movies like 'Punjab nahi jaon gi' did so well? People want to spend some light, fun, happy time in the cinema, not to become bipolar by watching gravely serious cinema. At least not at the start of this second chance.
Sobia Makhdoom I entirely agree with you about the sheer entertainment value of these films that the vox populi not vox elitus(?) crave. In the early stages of Indian cinema , not Bollywood, Raj Kapoor in a memorable interview stated that the Indian audience was an ideal audience for they did not ask for much, except to be entertained for a couple of hours so they can temporarily forget about the travails of their daily existence. Pakistani cinema desperately need to learn this lesson.
Just three words I want to say as a common audience,"Mazza aa gaya" Though I am not a film maker,just plane and simple homemaker,it was really enriching, and I learnt how much struggle and grit is required to make a film, and then make it commercially successful also.Hat's off !!❤❤
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THIS IS MASSIVE !! LOVED EVERY BIT OF IT
Omg omg... this panel is awesome!
Thank you so much for doing this. I feel like I just had my dose of Zoloft.
please provide timestraps it would be better to understand the where the debate is going . thank you.
Identity crisis is the real reason for Pakistan cinema downfall.
Loved this! 🤍
Ufff I can watch these people speak like forever. I have yet not finished watching this all still I could not resist writing my comment. Love you shahzad for bringing these people and making them share their ideas especially I learnt today about why there is no such thing as parallel cinema and these are only made up ideas. Love them all
Malik Shoaib I don't know about "parallel " cinema but there definitely is a genre of cinema which does not mimic the mainstream. In India it used to be referred to as "Art" cinema but nowadays it is more common to refer to it as Independent productions as distinct from Bollywood. Netflix too recognizes these different genres and posts these productions under a separate rubric. In USA too there is now Independent film productions and the Hollywood actor, Robert Redford even has a separate film festival for these independent films. I do not know what Irma(?) was smoking but some of her remarks were beyond the pale! Please tell her to stop messing with her hair, it's very irritating 🇨🇦
Guys the Industry has just started at least give people some time n then they will do great m sure!
46:45 is the best part.
@@ThePakistanExperience Sarmad's reaction was legendary.
M hooked to your podcast...Since it has Indian touch, makes me think even after 70 yrs of Islamic Republic could not erase indianness from Pakistan
When super star of MK was released, I was so annoyed to see her movies statue poster(I don’t know what it’s called) placed in a very subsided way so that no one could even see it properly - I tilted the statue to the front alongside other Bollywood flicks and also reported to AMC theatres to please don’t put Hindi language under Superstar - it’s Urdu- please write the correct language here -
I understand its not something to be asked from filmmakers...but why we dont see more movies coming out on home video or OTT platforms after their theatrical release...that can help with the business mostly from overseas pakistanis....i will give you my example; i wanted to watch laal kabotaar for almost a year now ....finally got it to see on youtube...i kept looking if it had a DVD release or it would somehow show up on Netflix or Amazon Prime prior to that
So on point with the Ayushmann khurana genre thing. The monotony has kicked in for me. I literally can't distinguish his films anymore.
would be interesting if mehreen jabbar and kamal khan could be added to this panel ; would be interesting to hear them ...i would love to hear mehreen and jami talk about their unreleased movie/project "100 watt ka bulb" that never saw the day
What about the mental health of an artist in Pakistan ? How can someone holds that sensitivity that requires for “creating” ART and even “Commercial content” in this toxic society?
YAAY THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED
Thouroughly enjoyed the podcast. Good job Shehzad.
Where can i find manto? I really wanted to watch it. Thanks to you i got to learn about Cake and watched it.
Saim deserves a compensation.
@Durden Tyler i couldn't find it. Some people have uploaded the drama as a 3 hour video but not the original movie.
@@tinkapatosi1314 movie and drama both are same. Movie was edited version of drama
@@Karachi12234 oh, ok
Thanks
I love sarmard khoosat his manto was amazing honestly even Bollywood couldn't do it
Watch Nandita Das manto. It was even premiered in Cannes. I don't need to say anything else. Which one is better
The problem is that these new film makers do not understand the genre of Pakistan Films. Pakistani film was always a full package of ENTERTAINMENT. There should be drama, action, comedy, music and dance in two and a half hour film. The recent hit "Punjan Nahin Jaongi" is a real Pakistani film. The films like "Cake" looks like PTV (Pakistan Television) long play.
yar kamal show hai - kasmay banda sahi research kar ke ata hai..Kudos !!
Sarmad is an institute himself.
One advice: NEPALESE film industry is more stable than yours. It produces good amount out of aristic and commercial cinema...Why don't pakistan dub it and play in pakistan..Literally those film already did there business... You will get in way cheaper to run your cinema during off period.
Plus you can collaborate with them to produce cinema. A joint production can cut down the cost.
For fact: Nepal has 130 screen, 100 cinema producing each year with 3 cr population. And nothing is banned in nepal. They play english as well as indian movies.
@Saim Sadiq where can we watch Darling? I can’t find it online
Such a wonderful discussion! Beautiful ❤️
Shehzad sir salute ha yar salute for such a bestest podcast.
Without Indian talks no one podcast has been confirmed in pak 😂
That's their bread butter.. They have no option😂...
Can somebody share link or website where I can watch Zindagi Tamasha.
This was much more engrossing than Rajeev Masand's show
@@ThePakistanExperience yar sarmat kay sath aik manto peh tu specially banta hai..
Chutiya show thu
storytelling is an hard job in filmmaking . we just make movies like dramas we forget how to tell an story through motion .
Original Story Teller ♥️
I kind of disagree with iram when she said pak film has a big indian industry (unlike iranian industry). My long term fav are the old pak songs, movies khuda ke liye and ramchand pakistani. I think pak movies have a huge market in india. Question as discussed by the panelists is political influence, funding etc. Hope to see more movies from tbe other side.
Sarmad's point of view on censorship is very simplistic and problematic, and it lacks self-reflection. Saim's, on the the other hand, is much more contemporary and intelligent. There is a wider culture of (self)policing and (self)censoring our opinions that Sarmad does not take into account. And he is talking about questioning stereotypes: huzoor, you directed Humsafar, a play that glorified consanguinity (cousin marriage). More than 60% of marriages in Pakistan are consanguineous (cousin marriages), which give rise to an increased rate of birth defects in children. As a result, Pakistan is producing a highly disease-ridden population because of cousin marriages, and here is a play that glorifies it. Redemption is sought in regressive values that the society holds dear and important, not in questioning these values, not in moving towards progressive values. So, on the one hand you are decreasing the cultural space for expression yourself by kowtowing to the preconceived notions of the society. And then you realize that the cultural space has been decreased when Zindagi Tamasha gets banned. I wish he could have reflected on his own complicity in reinforcing these regressive values. There is, of course, historical depth to the way these regressive values became so dominant in Pakistani society and until people like him who are opinion makers in Pakistan reflect on their own complicity, there is very less hope for any substantial change.
Humsafar to bahut boring laga gaana chod ke. Indian serial ke rone dhone ka record bhi tod diya Mahira ne.
1:13:00. Yes Sarmad!
Manto didn’t come to Houston- I wonder if they would ever release it on a digital platform -
I think it's on Netflix
bimla paul I was referring to the one made by Sarmad Khoosat!
bimla paul but would definitely watch with Nawazuddin Siddiqui too
Can you pls ensure your videos are 30 minutes or less, seeing such long duration is a big put off for clicking the play button
Please don't do that!
@@ThePakistanExperience Please never reduce the time of your podcasts.
@@ThePakistanExperience yes, never reduce the time
Why is Iram not an actress? She is gawgeous🤩🤩🤩
@@ThePakistanExperience Ji ji kyun nahi? woh bhi try kar saktay hain. Sab ka number ana chahiye.
lol thats why pakistan film industry not growing, you guys looking for face not acting skill. audience is main culprit .
@@jackbeck4 lo ushi basis par to sab ko entry milti hai. But we were referring to the comment she made in the video. Poori dekho.
@@excaliburkz but still she is poor in acting. she can't perform all type of character. actor meant to be you can perform all type character. aisa me kal ko tik toker bol actor bolne lgenge. hmra bollywood me dekho garbage actor bhare pade hai.
I feel terrible for creative people of this country
If you want to sell a film learn from geo news bcoz they just like promote and promte thier films for example load wedding the film was bakwass but bcoz of promotion people just watched out of curiosity.
That woman director is so condescending towards that young fellow. Its nauseous
@@ThePakistanExperience its cool bro, u now have a follower from India. you bring some really nice people and views on your channel. its very under-rated TBH. best of luck!
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2 hours went by in a flash!
Sir kindly make a video on political intolerance
bahi interview urdu ma kiya karo adhi baat to samjh nai ati
I wanna meet saim
Islam is incompatible with modern world.cinema is blasphemy in islam
Bhai u were in churails !Right...??that dulha guy...
@@ThePakistanExperience shaadi barbaadi,😎
@@ThePakistanExperience sach bolna bhai...tumne NAUGHTY kiya h?? .pakistan m possible h shaadi s pehle...??🤣.india p 100% possible h
@@ThePakistanExperience wow bhai..thanx to ZEE5...Kuch naya pakistani content dekhna mila, jabardast series hain...kuch flaws thi, for eg. episodes too lengthy tha,..baki zabardast tha, specially the musics...we want to see more pakistani contents now. Meher bano💞...
irum has beautiful nose
I can’t wait for Zindagi Tamasha - Sarmad sar eagerly waiting.
Sarmad khoosat is huge pheku goes on & on & on ,he has I know everything attitude.karan Johar of Pakistan.😘🤔
i am first........
Saim is so hot!
No Place for cinema in Pakistan.
Becoz of being a Islamic religious beliefs effecting major censorship Problems to tell a honest unbiased story. Pakistan entertainer industry must stick to Age-old tried & tested hit formula like Comedy,Gisa pita family drama & 90 s Bollywood inspired movies which Pakistan has mastered the art...
But to upgrade Pakistan cinema they need to change mindset & get ride of deadly Combo mulla/ miltary/ elite group from Pakistan govt which are governing them making hell for Pakistanis 😬 though it's a far far distant dream to come true ..May be another 50 yrs later🤐😲 ....kya hmmm it's doubtful seriously😥
Loved all the guests' insights, except that "Jami" guy. Not even a single thing he said was good, also his talking style is rubbish.
Jab sarmad saab bhudhe Ho jayenge to inka naam hoga sarmad Buddha khoosat or inhe bura bhi Nahi lagega. 😂
Pakistani movies is so much boring
Sadly Pakistan is not a place where Art can thrive :(
Jami ka kya masla ha yar.. Isky kabhi equipments he purey nai hui movie banany ky liye.. camera nai ha camera nai ha.. bas kr dy yar.. bana tou sai kuch bayshak iphone say he bana..