Flourishes & Binds, Shorter Fighters, and Meyer's Circle - Patreon Mailbag May 2017
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5'3" and training in HEMA 🙌🏻 being short is definitely not that much of an issue imho once you know how to use it to your advantage.
"Current year"? I'm so happy you said that😂 Made my night.
i guess I am kinda randomly asking but do anybody know of a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
Yay - this was my interpretation of the circle as well! 😀
I've seen that circle technique in staff fighting (called the 'Melayu stroke' in DBMA.)
Very interesting research and it's nice to see that false edge attack as a setup. It's a weaker grip and cut, but it's just the first part of a combo, like a jab in boxing.
I do think we need to make a better distinction between blocks, which confer no advantage to defender and allow a followup strike by attacker, and parries, which shift advantage such that the defender can counter strike.( Here I'm not talking about a judge deciding who had "right of way", but attacker or defender actually controlling the opponent's blade sufficiently to get a clean riposte.)
If you make that first cut and don't put some energy into my blade that takes it off-line, there's always the possibility I can chop straight forward into your shoulder and saw forward to deepen the cut.
So it seems to me you need to approach this as a type of beat cut to set up the body strike?
Extrapolating from Meyer's Dussack, Circling could be seen as swinging the tip of the dussack over your head to recover from a cut when practicing the drills. I got similar results practicing longsword with the dussack techniques to recover while feinting an attack.
I came here from japanese style swordsmanship, and there are soo many similarities. They are both highly developed fighting systems of swordwork. I dont know why soo many people argue which is better. They both have strengths and weaknesses. And both are very interesting techniques.
Agree. I only argue about the sports side of things. I just don't like that in kendo tournaments there is no rule for afterblows
i think human's have kinda the same shapes on avrage, i mean we all have a torso, legs, arms, head etc. the weapon itself is a bladed weapon meant to be used mainly in two hands and humans move in a fairly similar way to one-another so the same things gonne be effective against a european guy and against a japanese guy, so they have to have fair amount of similarities.
The swords are pretty similar too, though few would admit it.
The flourish is a very real combat technique in military sabre/cutlass fencing, but it has to be very fast to be effective.
Where do you find swords like those? What company that makes them?
I think what Jeff Kim meant by flourish is mouliet.
Maye's circle is more for training than to show the "way of attacking" as you said. It is just a tool of training to develop certain skill, and not an actual technique
I think binding can be a really powerful tool to controlling the fight. Though the strike at 13:00 maybe easier it also frees up your opponent's sword to counter as well.
I was once told on a Academy of Historical Fencing video that you can't press, or rather it's hard to press your opponent because of strikes to the leg. But if you press from a bind how can they swing for your legs? Their sword is tied up.
Binding is very useful if you are good at grappling (something most HEMA practitioners ignore), tip fighting, and disarming.
You watch videos like this, but still learn so little?
I'm not satisfied with bind work I'm seeing out of HEMA across the board. The focus seems to be on clash strong-to-strong, then roll off (or other technique) to deliver a counter-strike *without* controlling the opponent's blade. Clearly that *can* work, but it's not guaranteed, and can easily go the other way.
What I was taught is to use that contact to *control* the opponent's blade, push (or even better fling) the opponent's blade off-line so the riposte can be made cleanly, without possibility of reply. This is a form of prise de fer, but it's not going to work without superior leverage, so it's critical to make sure that initial clash is not even in regard to strong vs. strong.
But they're different systems, so maybe it doesn't translate. (Technically, in wudang, you never go force against force, so coming into something bind-line, the practitioner is already thinking about where and how they're going to manipulate the opponent's blade.)
Wudang sword, one-handed and longsword both, has heavy emphasis on envelopment. But the system really flowered in the late 19th century, as gunpowder took slightly longer to fully displace swords in the East. So maybe we're not seeing a lot of envelopment in HEMA because it's a more modern technique?
I've only recently been researching European longsword, so there's a lot I don't know. But what I have comes first hand from an extant system.
@@buzzkrieger3913 In defense of Boomer, HEMA has been around for 5 minutes, and some of us are coming out of extant sword systems.
One of the reasons I LOVE LOVE LOVE Blood & Iron is they consider the choreographic tradition alongside the true art. (Sport & fight choreography is the only legitimate modern use, and the latter the only real domain where serious practitioners can make good money. So B&I serves a real purpose in the greater sword community in that regard, and European fight choreography has never been better.)
There's no way I'm trading the quick jabs, slicing, point work and envelopments my modern longsword system for medieval longsword, which doesn't mean reconstruction isn't a worthwhile endeavor. But there's a big difference between well over a century of refinement & testing of systems handed down by *actual* soldiers and duelists, both European and Eastern, and a couple decades of informal research out of unreliable medieval manuals. HEMA is off to a good start, but it's ultimately the work of generations.
Thank you
Could anyone tell me which steel training swords these are? Thanks.
I`d love to see a series teaching fiore dei liberis flower of battle. It`s something I`ve looked for but haven`t come across anything that I can use or understand from the small bits I have found.
Not sure how viable of a series that would be for you guys. And I know you get a lot of suggestions. :P
Unfortunately we aren't a Fiore school, so while we do dabble and converse with high quality Fiore schools such as The Phoenix Society for Historical Swordsmanship we tend to avoid talking outside out core area of expertise.
That`s understandable.
Thanks for the reply though.
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I like ur videos, im still wondering tho... are there any good techniques for using Mortar Strikes? Like... they look all cool and stuff... but are there any actually valuable and usable techniques?
This is a year old comment, but morter strikes were mainly used against armoured opponents, and if you tried it against someone while sparring, theyd probably get hurt
Also keep in mind that it is harder to inflict leverage one a person in wrestling or pushing if they are shorter than you and easier for them. Also, being smaller gives you a better strength to weight ratio resulting in being faster overall.
Leverage, yes.
Smaller giving better strength to weight ratio = faster, no. If that were true the top fighters in the world would all be women.
What swords are you using in this session?
A great swordsperson should be open to many styles and learnings. Thanks for kindling my interest
Flourishs work just fine in fighting as long you provoke your opponent properly at the the beginning. In my experience theres very little strong binding like you demonstrated.
are you fighting with nylons? because its really hard to get into any sort of bid with nylons because they tend to bounce off of each other
@@sortofcephalopod8972 agree, I mainly train with steel. Once I visited a friend an went to his hema class, where they only use nylon. They had a very striking heavy "style" while I was used to more binding. But thise nylon waisters are slippery as hell and hard to control if u are used to steel. They could just have used baseball bats XD
Great Video! Could you show some techniques for left-handers next? :)
I'm left-handed everything they show can be used by a left handed fencer. You will just need to mirror the image.
@@potatoesislife6365 of course the technique can be mirrored, but the context changes. Your Opponent will most likely have a different dominant hand, so there are actually some techniques that work especially well and some that dont and need to be adjusted.
one thing i heard Matt Easton i believe it was talk about with flourishes is the intimidation factor is this something that "only" affects a novice or is that something you expirienced guys have to deal with?
Doing a flourish isn't going to phase anyone with any experience in the least. Doing *anything* quickly just out of measure of someone with less ability to detect measure will probably provoke some very flinchy behavior though.
...And actually most people do them with bad edge alignment and cutting mechanics when flourishing, which tends have an opposite effect of intimidation. ;)
Flourishes kinda remind me of the logic of katas and the like. Train your body to move.
I hardly ever see binds, disarment, or grappling in HEMA matches, is this because they're not allowed, hard to pull off, or is something else happening?
I'd say hard to pull off. In a duel where the opponent is fully focusing on you, and often egually skilled as you, its hard to pull off any crazy shenanegans.
@@Vsimpro I'm not talking about crazy shenanigans, sorry for the confusion. I'm talking about techniques HEMA practitioners regularly practice. I hoped that cleared things up, happy holidays!
which training swords are these?
I wonder, could the traditional flourish before a duel have some significance like proving to the spectators that this was nn honourable duel between two participants of more or less equal skill? Rather than just old world newb bashing with weapons?
What swords are those
Mathias Caspersen longswords
can a kid enter a place that teaches hema? (im not sure if you would call it a school or not)
if you can find one im sure they wouldn't mind along as your over 13
It will really depend on how the school/club is set up. The age which can attend open adult classes will vary from group to group, and is also highly dependent on how mature said youth is. Having kids classes is fairly uncommon at this stage in the art's development.
^ this
Toss a coin to your HEMA flourisher..!
You guys wouldn't happen to be the gym skallagrim goes to would't you?
Mike Merchant Yep!
He trains at our Victoria location
I was going to say the shorter guy, I swear I've seen in a Skallagrim video before.
Where is your school at
You are soooo close together in the bind. Why?
LOL! he said a tool!
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If the crowds are throwing money at you on stage your are probably playing with a different type of sword
I still don’t understand why some of you people don’t wear footwear. In any sport safety is paramount, and if an injury were to occur that could be seen as a public liability claim for the club for failing to enforce safety standards.
I wont to be a HEMA stripper.