Is Hydro Steering Safe for the Road???
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2023
- Is my new steering safe for the road? In this video we test it on the rocks and the road.
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Great video! IMO, take your homemade hoses to a hydraulic shop and have beefy high pressure hoses made. Then throw the homemade hoses in your carry bag for emergency spares. :)
agreed, and its not very expensive, and they will handle wayyy more pressure
Wrong, in this application reusable fittings or crimp on fittings are ok , you misspend what he said that he had the hose at too great of an angle and the fitting type makes no difference , all hydraulic lines don't handle sharp bends or angles well, when you talk hydraulic applications higher volume and PSI then crimp on is stronger than reusable, I have been able to get people back on the road in shorter time periods if their power steering has reusable ends, then its a new piece of hose $20 and a quart of fluid, so under $100 ,40 yrs in the industry and they're still good 👍
@@99unclebob agreed 👍
But this isn’t “power steering” is it? Isn’t it fully hydraulic, no steering box or rack?
Both are correct. Time and budget often make ideal, harder than the fun is worth.
I'm always amazed at Rudy's positive attitude and skills. Fun to watch the development and testing of Hydro steering and how it handled that tough rock course. Maybe it's time to call the Rubicon "3/4 Dun" 😉
Or "Morr than 1/2 Dun"
Yeah Rudy has to keep a positive attitude cuz Andy always seems to be negative lol. I guess some may call Andy realistic and Rudy optimistic. But sure are making leaps on the Jeep and the channel great work
@@jdgvee9313 Or " > 1/2 Dun"
I was just getting ready to write that!
@@jdgvee9313 this
The drone shots make a huge difference in your video. Seeing the entire area your working in gives the viewer a complete comparison of terrain size and difficulty.. An excellent video!
Another cool point to it is that Rudy himself is setting the drone up. It has a pretty good "follow me" feature on it.
The drone shot almost looks like watching video game. ;)
Andy is my absolute fav. His dry sense of humor is so good haha
I don’t about Andy having a dry sense of humour but more of a pessimist personality maybe 😂
He's the reality check, we all need an Andy by our sides telling us we've messed up haha
yes his glass is always half empty never half full lol
It means your Jeep sucks. 😂😂. Awesome response.
@@helenlegallais4208 almost feels like Andy doesn’t want to be there but there mom wants them together and Rudy is all for it😂
Rudy and Matt have the same aversion to knowing how much fuel they have! Definitely feel the brotherly love "it's gonna break..."! Keep the vids coming guys. Upgrade and test!
The fuel problem ... it's a family thing
It is kind of cool watching Rudy and his brothers working on the same project and having fun doing so.
I'm greatly amused by Rudy's positive outlook on anything, immediately followed by Andy's pessimistic response.
The content is getting even better! Keep up the great work
Hey Rudy I think you need to go to crimp style hydraulic fittings given how the old line failed for some added safety. I would make two sets and keep and extra set in the jeep. Enjoy watching you guys makes me miss living out West
Andy did great job filming. Love his attitude
You know there's family history of running out of gas, when you breakdown and you have to clarify, "I did not run out of gas" - lol.
Collin buddy you are never too old or cool to wear a helmet around the rocks on that 4 wheeler. I know you ride safly but we wanna keep you around!!!!
I am 31 this year and the ONLY reason I am 31 is thanks to a helmet while go karting, then while 4 wheeling, then again on a dirtbike, then one more time while snowboarding.
I run equipment for a living and much of it is now full hydro steering. Tractors, backhoes, etc are mostly full hydro and the systems are pretty tough and also been around for decades. If your relying on the system to bring you home it's often a good idea to take what you need with you to replace or repair a hose in the field as the big downside of these systems is when they fail, you have no control. I didn't see you do anything that would have caused the failure (no operator error that I could see) and it appeared to be a mechanical failure. Testing your system like your doing in this video close to home is a very good idea for anyone who wants to convert their vehicle to a full hydro system. Thanks for the video Rudy.
You might still have steering if just the engine dies but you will not have steering if one of the lines blow.
That means you don’t have a fail safe which is why I believe the DOT doesn’t allow full hydro steering on the road.
Your brakes don’t rely on one line to stop so you still have brakes if one line blows.
And even then you have the me hanical(hopefully) parking/ e-brake
I would NOT put my hopes in the last sentence you've made. Although you may not instantly lose all your brakes if 1 line goes. but you can and likely still will lose brakes very quickly especially if you use the peddle a couple times and empty the reservoir through the broken line. The auxiliary/parking brake hopefully still works (but that's a separate system you could add to the steering too for the same redudancy)
Andy is so positive about everything. Like a trip for a root canal. 😂
Once you are happy with the way the hoses are routed, I would get them made with crimped fittings and use the ones you made as spares. It would eliminate a point of failure just from working loose over time due to engine and vehicle vibrations. Seems like a pretty solid set up after you get everything dialed in.
I loved the cutaway to the off road floor jack, still in the box! (With the little doggie guarding it).
The worst part is that $16 a quart PS fluid hittin the ground! The steering videos are coming at the perfect time..I’m swapping out my PSC assist for full hydro and it’s too darn expensive to screw up!
not at all, the subscribers are paying for the fluid
Looked flippen awesome Rudy!! Can't wait to see you out on the trails with everyone really putting it thru its paces.
I taught myself to weld the beginning of this new year, mostly because of watching people like you who inspire me. Keep up the good work Rudy
I am very proud of you Rudy! Your dad taught you very well and you learned very well. Good on you. It is wonderful to see you doing your own thing.
Up next rear steering 👍
Excellent show today I dig Andy’s optimism
Awesome video. Keep up the great work. Keep the videos rolling. Glad to see you and your brothers working and having fun together.
Love watching you and your build grow. I have had overall good luck with the home made hoses like you used on high pressure hydraulic systems. Occasionally one fitting doesn't hold for one reason or another. I typically use them in temporary situations and have crimped lines built to replace them. Keep up the good work
Awesome job getting the Ridicon up through that off road course Rudy! The obstacle course , well to me it looks like the Rudicon was unsafe at any speed. Nice job filming Andy!
Great video Rudy, the hydro steering looks like a great improvement. Get those kinks worked out and take us along for ride.
It's good to see your brothers working with and supporting your endeavors.
Wow that is some awesome craftsmanship & driving. You like Matt deserve the K C & C award. Kind, Caring, & Capable. Thanks for the videos.
Man Andy is super positive lol
That obstacle was insane. Great vid.
I like what you’re doing Rudy and brothers. Keep ‘em coming.
Rudy I am happy to see you including your brothers in the videos. It make for an interesting dynamic and they are fun to watch.
Cool stuff Rudy. The Rudicon is getting there. Thanks for taking us along.
What's the pressure rating on the wrench on hydraulic fittings? I always assumed it was extremely low and that you should go for crimped fittings for anything high pressure.
Amazing work either way.
I think the advantage of the fittings you've used is that they are field serviceable, like you showed in the video. There was probably something not right with how that fitting was installed from the get-go, like you said.
Maybe it makes sense to build the pressure line to the orbital valve using crimp on fittings as it is unlikely to be damaged by something out on the trail, but it would be convenient to be able to repair the lines to the ram while you are wheeling.
Looks like you have a pretty decent amount of body roll. How does it feel?
That looks like the Parker field serviceable hoses, they should easily handle 3,000 psi and that pump is probably around 1,450. I’m going with your fist thought of probably not put together correctly.
NICE TO SEE ALL THE BROTHERS WORKING TOGETHER! NICE JOB ON THE HYDRO STEERING!!
Keep them coming Rudy! We are fans of your videos and look forward to them. What fun to watch as you progress in your shop!
Great job, looking forward to some more C10 stuff also. Coming from a 90's lowrider guy, this truck will be awesome. I do still love the trail/mud trucks also.
Like your videos. Do you think you should put gaiters/boots on the steering shafts. My fear is the sand and grit will work itself into the ram and scratch the surface causing the seals to leak.
Love this Jeep. Definitely needs lower gears one way or another tho. Must. You’ll have so much more throttle control when your not just riding the very beginning of the torque converter.
Wow! apples and trees. MORR kids for sure, Andy too with the quick wit! Great driving/engineering/eyecrometing. Looking forward to seeing the c10 progress! keep it 4x4 but slammed
Rudy has the best attitude..nothing going to stop him which is great to see. Great video.
I love your little brother, he's the perfect amount of Negativity! You guys are like Ying and Yang ☯️ As for hydraulic steering for an offroad vehicle 👍 definitely the way to go! As for my Daily driver/Off-Roader I'll stick with my Hydraulic Ram assist, I like redundancy, and I'm pretty sure full hydraulic is not DOT legal as far as I know? And your brother needs his own channel "Most Negative Guy In Utah" it would almost as good as Big Love! 😆 Great video Rudy and keep it on E #XJLIFE That looked just like the picture I sent you of my 98 XJ on E , E is for enough 😀
Re: DOT and on road I was wondering this also. That is my understanding as well, that fully hydraulic is not road legal. I was building a street truck 30 years ago and was going to go fully hydraulic to beat the inherent steering fab problems after lowering the truck. Like the Rudicon it was going to be slick and clean. I thought "cool why didn't I think of this earlier." Until as an afterthought I decided to check with my insurance company who did not mind insuring street rods. They disliked the idea so much that they threatened to cancel me. They said under no circumstance would they insure the truck or would they pay any claim related to damage if I went ahead and installed it anyway. Sort of the same as street racing and wrecking your ride and another vehicle as well as injuring yourself or someone else. They would just tell me to go fish as it were. SO I never did it. However it is nice to see Rudy is trying it. Seems to work like I envisioned it... Nice
@Meagan Christie I figured that and it kinda makes sense, God forbid you ( On Road ) lose your steering, that's one of the scariest things that can happen while driving, especially here in the NYC/Long Island area, terrifying actually! But if it's a trailer queen, then no problem, I personally like a tight positive feel for my steering, so I have 3/4 heim joints and a PSC hydraulic 8" ram and I have no slop in my 03 Tacoma S.A.Swap, I also like redundancy, I've already broken stuff and still made the few hundred miles back home, I would love to have a trailer, but I also love driving my vehicle on road as well, I've never driven a full hydraulic setup, but I can imagine it's not as responsive as a linked steering setup, my truck ( Check it out on my CZcams channel ) with the ram assist, is tight! And I have a converted from crappie IFS to Solid Axle Tacoma, so it's completely redesigned, and works perfectly! I love my mini truck 🛻 monster! And she's DOT compliant, I've been let go by a few insurance companies, so I can't play any games, I'm sure Rudy is daily driving this XJ, so for just offroad, then it's a great setup, I just personally rather have the on road option, great talking to ya , nice to get a positive response to my comments, it's not always like that TY
ur correct that full hydro is not legal for use on road the code specificly states that there must be a physical mechanical means of steering at all times just for the reason that happened in the video if you lose your fluid you know longer have any steering.
@John Wasson That's what I'm running, linked steering with Hydraulic Ram assist, even if it was street legal, I would be a nervous that there's nothing really connected besides the Hydraulic lines
Put a anti-rock sway bar on one end and that should make most of the lean go away and not loose your flex.
Thanks for sharing. Nice to see the success is coming together keep up the good work Rudy and will keep her watching your showing that even a poor man can make it happen if you’re dedicated enough and patient.
Love the channel and I’m excited to see you and Holly have a build coming up, would like to see you take the Comanche over the same trail that you did to test it’s capabilities when the 4x4 is done,and if you are turbocharging Collins truck maybe you should go all wheel drive , and maybe it’s time to change 1/2 done rudicon to 3/4 done rubicon and thank you for taking us along on this adventure
Those "field serviceable" fittings are a hassle. I have seen more leaks on the trail from those than anything. Every NAPA I have ever been to has everything needed to build legitimate crimped hydraulic hoses, and they really are pretty cheap. Keep the field serviceable fittings in the glovebox for an emergency trail repair, that's about all they are good for.
100%
That slomunb (sp) part worried me. Jeeps have a high center of gravity by nature and no sway bars just add to the problem - SO BE CAREFUL!😁😬
Your Jeep is becoming quite the off road machine. You can be proud of it. Your videos are really turning out good too. Happy for what you are doing. Kudos kiddo!
Rudy, you have come a long way in your new venture. I know I say it a lot but it’s true, I am so proud of you. Your brothers are
awesome too. Have fun making memories with your brothers. ❤️🙏🙏👍👍🌟🌟🏆🏆❤️
Looks like a successful test. Fun video. Thanks and keep 'em coming. 👍
Thumbs up for Andy and the little dog.
The Jeep seems like a beast off-road but could probably use some sway bars for daily driving
Agreed
@@Rudysadventureanddesignreal anti-rock sways are awesome
You need to fab your own set of quick disconnect sway bar links that are HD at least for the front end, that would make it handle better and safer for on road driving at higher speeds, or get a set of electronic ones off a power wagon
Put a locking hub at one end then you don't even need to disconnect anything!
Great improvement Rudy.....let's get the Rudicon fully done 👍👍👍
Very, very cool! The Rudicon is shaping up to be a really nice rig! Thank you for this look into how it performs.
Sure looks like there isn't enough caster to push against the extra resistance of the hydro cylinder and orbital valve for self return steering.
Spot on !
The Rudicon did really good in my opinion.
I do have a question. Do you think The MOORVAIR and Paul's FJ could do the rock climbing that you just did?
I think they could it would be challenging but they could do it
@Unintentional Failure yep he needs a little bit stiffer suspension that was a lot of roll for only 30 MPH
Rudy!! That was a great video!! You do some really nice work. The steering was a total success!!! That last bit over the rocks... that was awesome!!! Your jeep is a true mountain goat!! 😁
Wow, That was epic driving Rudy! The Rudicon is a beast! A vehicle and driving to be proud of! Overhead video is very cool and entertaining!
Personally I think I'd get some high pressure lines made for it
Those were high pressure lines
@@glenjamindle yes but not crimped fittings for it/;/; i would reccomend steel braided as well which those were not
Hmmm seems odd that NON steel braided hoses would throw sparks while being cut with an abrasive wheel don't ya think ?
@@timpretzsch2609 Hydraulic hoses are, working out from inside, rubber-steel-rubber, if braided they have an extra outer layer of steel and sometimes a plastic casing too
@@90vanman ya fully aware, was a sarcastic response to the guy who said to get steel braided lines and tried to indicate these were not lol
Andy is so optimistic. 🤣
I would suggest taking all the hoses off your hydro steering go down to a Napa store and have some hoses made she don't die on the freeway somewhere.
You boys are doing an awesome job. That is a great build. Really like the down to earth feel of your video!!!
“there’s a cool rock on the ground” “you didn’t pick it up?” What a guy thing hahaha
Sounds like you need to meet more of the ladies... that's a human thing, not a "guy thing"
@@block4565 haha how did I know someone like you would pop up and take this offensively somehow
Al Gores Rhythm
Great video Rudy. Great to see you still at it.
That awesome, way better then the one I had, nice setup. Mine way considerably less predictable and had to constantly turn to the right, around and around the steering wheel. It was a no going without the engine on. I like this one. Swop out the hose for the higher psi and your golden.
The fun of blowing a high pressure line in steering system. When I heard your planned test I figgued the line would have a failure, I had that happen on trail 5 back when Tellico was open for off-roading. BTW: the Badlands Off-road Jack is great I've used mine quite a bit in less than a month of having it, best floor jack I've had.
Excellent work on the steering !
Your research paid off.
I think you need to change the fraction on the car to 3/4 done now.
Great testing and found the failure quickly and easily repaired. Let's see it was the A Team that said "I love it when a plan comes together." Or something like that. Congrats on successful installation!
I agree totally with Caulin: an insane obstacle Rudy and great skills getting through and over it: you must be stoked that the steering is such an improvement
A huh! The fuel issue seems to run in the family! Great video! Loved those rocks, and your Rudycon did just fine!
Gosh that Etnies shoes sticker on the hatch takes me back to the early 2000's lol. Keep up the great work and content Rudy!
Keep them comeing man love watching cant wait to see some more on your other jeep 😁 and your brothers truck
I used the same style fittings when whipping up some hoses for my LS swapped Volvo. And... they lasted about as far as yours did. Maybe 3/4 of a mile on the first drive, one of the ends popped off. I had a shop build a new pressure hose and left all the other ones alone and it's been fine ever since.
Congratulations that's quite accomplishment, The best part I think is you had your brothers there to join with you in your accomplishment!!!
that is one capable rig. good offroad footage. everyone else is right on about getting crimped lines though. best of luck man!
Rudy your so chill! There’s a problem you fix it and move on ! Your the perfect person for off-roading!
You needed a spotter for that rock crawl, by golly, and the bro-man shows up just in time.
Congrats on the new mods.
Great test. Glad you found a weak point now, instead of later, on a trail in the middle of nowhere. Good job.
just found this chanel, and this is first video i saw, great build !
Well done Rudy! Headed in the right direction!
Fun video to watch. Supper glad it worked for you.
the comparison between hydro brakes and hydro steering is a really good one. An eye opener.
Content and editing keeps improving.
Nice job Rudy, I like the format of this video
I wonder if the high pressure side wasn’t weak then the full lock turn finally overpressured it and made it pop off. Kinda like in a standard hydro-assist power steering, you hear the whine at full lock because the pressure in the pump and lines. Just a thought? Nice seeing your vids and your skill! Thanks for influencing so many!
Rudycon has come a long way. Great job! The I6 is so underrated but so suitable for off-road.
love the mudding aspect ! also
Rudicon 3/4 done
Rudy learned his Wonderful attitude towards life Morals, Manners,work Ethics and his Aversion to an Adequate amount of Gas.
Love your Videos Rudy.
You give an old man a little hope for the Future..
From Matt
Good job Rudy, i too, am looking at Hydro Assist for my '02 Excursion. The steering is Way Too Stiff for me, have to Manhandle it with Two Hands at all times. ☹
That is one impressive rig you built there! Great job!
Did you use reusable AN fittings on the pressure side? While TDI swapping my LJ, I used those to make the pressure side of the p/s system, TDI pump to the Jeep steering box and it lasted a bit, until I blew the line off the fitting. Remade the lines with a crimp on fitting and 15,000 miles later its still working out. Love the videos, keep up the great work!
It's great to see your channel a big success Rudy, If we can't make our own mistakes, how do we learn to be successful right!
Nice work on the video. Enjoyed it!
I dig this channel. I love Rudy's can do attitude and when he asks Andy for his thoughts, they are just slightly more sunshine than Eior (spelling? ) from Winnie the pooh.
Andy's comments are awesome, lol. More Andy!
Coming along nicely!
Good to see Rudy uploading on the regular again....GO RUDY!!!!
Nice vid guys! Quality is quickly improving, keep it up.
I seem to remember you saying that the fluid you are using is expensive, so kudos for not getting pissed at losing a bunch of it.
Great driving skills. Crazy rock 🪨 climbing. Well done. 👏
The other issue with full hydro is the steering wheel doesn't return to centre properly.
Something else to check. Depending on local road rules you may require a mechanically linked steering.
I would change those fittings to crimped fittings.
Do they make a hydraulic steering that will return to center?
@@JT_70 They do and Rudy bought that. BUT because there isn't a mechanical link, centre is slightly different each time. Which is very obvious with the airbag wheel.
30 sec in and I needed to Subscribed! This is good stuff
Edit 10:00 min in.
Great work on the build and comfort with enjoying it.
Final edit.
Rock the easy to field repair hose as long as needed. It did great.