Mistakes to Avoid in an AFL Rebuild
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2021
- Rebuilding can be a tricky task for any AFL club. In this video, Kristian Barron aka The Ruck Rover takes a look at how the Fremantle Dockers got it wrong in 2018 and warns the rest of competition of the mistakes they should avoid ahead of the 2021 AFL National Draft.
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Excited that we just took Amiss and Erasmus. Local boys, proven good talent, seems like there’s a spot for them to earn and make their own. Please let them be good, especially after our announcement of a flag by 2024
I don’t know if freo will ever win a flag
Michael Apeness was my personal favourite "Next Tav", only narrowly ahead of Scott Gumbelton
The best example of rebuilding in recent times is Richmond, by far. They've had great success in the rookie list area & identifying mature age talent.
Laughed at my unexpected cameo in this, haha. Amazing video as always.
hahaha Fox Footy < True Footy
Rory Lobb with the crab claw made me laugh. Lets hope we make finals next year. Thanks for the vid.
we can all hope fo r a Docker
A part of me thinks those decisions to trade big for Lob, Hogan, McCarthy etc. was Lyon and Rosich clutching their straws and desperately trying to climb back up again sooner than later when we should of just stuck to the draft. Nice to see our board more focused on the draft now Garlick, Bell and Longmuir are on board
As a Port fan I am very happy with how 2018's draft went :p
2022/23 will tell the story, but I think North are doing it right. After being mid range team we delisted the old wood, we bottomed out, and we are rebuilding from the midfield out. A good coaching appointment is pivotal. 2021 was a development year - 4 wins and a draw. We have secured a tall makring ruck/forward in Coleman-Jones, a workhorse midfielder in Hugh Greenwood, and we got our first ever number 1 in Horne-Francis who looks like a very good number one talent.
In the 2020 draft North had pick 3. We bypassed the key forward options and went for Will Philips. After missing 2020 season, 2021 was a development year for Will. And I expect good things from him in 2022. He has good hands in close, and is an excellent kick to the inside 50 - priceless.
North now has a group of talented youngsters who can grow together. Very important to get that cluster of talent, around the same age, to form a core. The last time this happened was the group that came through in the early nineties that enjoyed success as youngsters under Pagan, and went on to dominate in the later half of that decade.
I never knew you were a dockers fan. Love this channel even more
I don't remember too many people at the time complaining about bringing in Hogan and Lobb. In hindsight obviously we wouldn't have done it, but what can you do though, they were pretty good players at the time so of you course make the trades.
At that point in time anybody would've traded for Hogan, had kicked 152 goals in his first 71 games until then. As he's shown when he played in 2021, when he's mentally and physically healthy he's a 2+ goal a game forward who will take a bunch of marks. Freo just got really unlucky with Hogan, hopefully for his sake his career and health stay on track because his talent is obvious.
Yeah everyone is an expert in hindsight. But he is right. You have to go full into the draft when you're at the bottom of the ladder and Freo went half arsed.
@@AussieTVMusic disagree look at st kilda. Poor Scouting
Very keen to see how Collingwood go (obviously invested in the last two drafts heavily)
i really like this art design, good stuff
Falls from greatness are always so quick. It only takes a year or two
As an Eagles fan this made me very happy, thank you
unreal content as usual!!
Love vid mate
with sam darcy going to the dogs, wondering what they're gonna do with all those talls. maybe someone will drop to the back, doing a reverse naughton?
darcys playing back im pretty sure
especially with wood retiring
Naughton should be a defender anyway. Would be close to the best centre half back in the comp. Dominated in the wafl playing there.
Nice video dude. well done.
So glad my Roos are on the right track this time. ☺️
Hopefully this is good news for North Melbourne after we all but forced ourselves into a fresh rebuild last year... But the team is looking good, with some experience will be great.
Would love to see us achieve the same as Melbourne and Footscray have in recent years.
great video, i love the dockers to
Wow....the AFL Tifo! Awesome content.
Don't forget the 2001 trade deal involving Freo where they paid overs. Received : McPharlin, Trent Croad . Gave up: Pick 1, 20 and 36 (Luke Hodge, Elstone and Sam Mitchell). There was one clear winner in that deal- Hawks.
Sturt is my favourite Youngster at Freo, just needs to stay healthy. So good seeing him running around this pre season 😪
Freo are on the up, last few drafts have got us set for the future 📈
Brilliant video, love the humour. Would love to have one of the blue abroad peoples do something similar to describe the wonky rebuild of my beloved Carlton FC. Keep up the good work!
love this idea, might have to get onto Terry. You may hear more of KB in the future too...!
@@FootyA2Z Awesome! Look forward to it!
They did mate czcams.com/video/kaAS1IjJ0T0/video.html
Great after the fact video. That is simply regurgitating what happened as opposed to a real solution. Dockers will always be battlers.
West Coast might say they're not rebuilding but they just took 5 picks in the national draft and picked up a second round pick for 2022. They've had a lot of turnover and they know they've got more coming.
Spot on..
Rip Cam McCarfy
The dadadadadadada starts playing at the start
I don't watch afl but this makes sense as an NBA fan
Keen to hear Cal Twomey's opinion on this.. Have you heard his Good Footy Energies pod episode?
The Draft only works when Clubs recruit what they need.. (There's no use recruiting five young defenders, if your team is already full of good defenders). This causes an oversupply, with the young players not getting games, getting dis-illusioned and usually leaving the club. Thanks to the 'stupid' best available policy my own team have failed to fill a full forward position shortage for over 5 years only recently have they wizened up and rejected this policy and things are looking up.
As a Fremantle tragic I knew what was coming but I viewed this video anyway. Love the sense of humour though.
Remember the Tigers gave up pick three for Fiiora. And Pavlich walked to Freo. One of my biggest regrets in tigerland recruiting
More than made up for in recent years.
The true statement that summarises everything wrong with building a team from scratch is "don't lust after players to fit a narrative". It will always lead to disappointment. Freo botched it with Pav's successor, GC and Carlton were fixated on Gary Ablett and Paddy Cripps to build their respective sides and it didn't pan out. GC have moved on (mostly, although they love Rowelly) but Carlton are doing it again with Sam Walsh being the sole prodigy to save them from mediocrity. Will wait and see with Carlton in 2022, but all three of these clubs I listed have been stagnant for a long time trying to fulfil a dream.
Thoughts on the blues now haha?
@@vrogue1 Carlton have definitely improved, almost in tandem with stopping the relentless lust for one player. Although, it's the first time in a decade they're at least half decent and we're only 1/3 through the season, so still plenty of water under the bridge to come.
@@vrogue1 lol
I feel like additional to this video, you should create another one explaining how essendon was able to change their fate quickly through a rapid rebuild which is the dead opposite of freos rebuild
Just started researching exactly this 👀
What's with the F1 car in the end card?
Wait, my memory was screwed on Matera, I thought we delisted him for his years of poor effort, I didn't know Freo gave up a third rounder for that spud.
Regarding the Harley Bennell trade, it was a disaster but I still would have taken it I were Freo for the slim possibility that he fulfilled his Brownlow -caliber potential.
It was painful to hear we could of had Rozee and King
not a bad fwd line at all with those two slotting in
Carlton right now: "Write that down! write that down!"
Unofficial rule of drafting: If there is a kid from Castlemaine, draft him; Dustin Martin & Jack Ginnivan are prolific Castlemaine exports
Cant agree more with the “dont trade for need, get best available” rule. Essendon have fallen in that trap so often the last twenty years and have a very checkered draft history as a result, which in turn can be directly linked to the much maligned lack of a single finals win in so long. Getting Hobbs in 2021 hopefully bucks that trend.
Collingwood trading Beams turned into De Goey, Crisp AND Levi Greenwood
Easy to say in hindsight. I mean Ben Kings injury?? Steven May's first season?? Does scouting actually work? Look at St kilda year after year of draft bust???
Best doco at this years academy awards.
Cries in Port Adelaide
It's in Freo's DNA to throw picks at established players since inception... Most of which become duds. Eagles get ex-first round Petrevski-Seton for next to nothing in 2021, but we show desperation for trades. Finally we have a core group of early draft picks to build around.
Yes fremantle have thrown picks at duds but search up last 5 years of drafts top 20, plenty of duds come out then too, its all a gamble
Eagles traded 3 first rounders for Tim kelly.
Exactly, an example of what not to do.
We have always been more successful going to the draft than bringing in players (Hogan, Bennell & McCarthy spring to mind).
@@daveodnk yeh they probs costing us a top 6 spot that lot
Collingwood skipped the rebuild all we needed was Fly and Nick Daicos
And a complementary Patrick Lipinski
@@TheLaughingMagpie yes
Yeah, and West Coast selling the farm for Tim Kelly who has not performed as well as he did in Geelong was a mistake on our part. We could have given the Cats Jarrod Brander like they wanted, as part of the deal, but we handed over 2 first and 2 second round picks instead, which meant we went into the 2020 draft virtually empty-handed... and now we've just let Jarrod Brander walk for free. Muppets.
The WA & SA clubs seem to have an obsession with luring back local talent that has been drafted to another state rather than making more objective assessments of the actual players concerned.
West Coast thought their premiership window was still open after their remarkable success in 2018. On paper this was true but they have not been able to get any consistency and are probably going to have to go through a rebuild soon too.
Still can't 100% work out who at Freo thought Hogan was worth pick 6...
I like the comedy Kristian brings. Good vid.
I’m a Melbourne a member and I’ve loved the way we went about it!
I can see north Melbourne and David noble climbing the ladder fast there rebuild looks great with that young midfield
North look scary good.
2:49 a move that paid them back yesterday
Dockers fan? Man that’s some pain and anguish right there. Love from an Eagles fan. 😂😂
Jack Anthony, Colin Sylvia, Harley Bennell, Cam McCarthy, Hogan - all crabs Freo paid overs for.
Fremantle have finally found the successor to Matthew Pavlich in Jye Amiss
Hope finals is around the corner for us we need to be better this year or else it’s a fail
Well aye my team actually won its first round!
Carlton should watch this
Ben King was never staying in Perth. Hogan is from Perth. It was the right call at the time.
That's why Freo knocked Back Neale this year. He had to go back to the Lions with his tail between his legs. He will end up at freo next year anyway for a far less pick.
Mistakes to avoid in an AFL rebuild: everything that Carlton has done
My team Collingwood the trade period never works for us, I prefer my team to stay away from second hand players
Mistake for not picking Gibcus. Future star defender mark my words
I have PTSD from 2018 man...
Remember when the VFL banned the Swans from trading in 2013 for absolutly no reason and then noone ever spoke about it again
Don't worry mate my club Carlton has had a few doozies since the Salary cap breaches in 2001 the only hard decision was to let go of JJ Kennedy for a Chris Judd in 2005
100% the most important thing to know for the AFL is are you contending, building or rebuilding. Contenders should be willing to forget about the future to give themselves the best chance of a premiership, building teams are trying to get better while keeping their young assests, and rebuilding teams need to accept the possibility of sucking to be as good as possible in a few years. If you are none of these things, you are irrelevant and need to figure something out
They didn’t screw it up congratulations Fremantle.
Eagles and Geelong are going to be in the exact same situation.
Is this the same Bloke who narrated economics explained??
We dont have a 2nd 3rd or 4th rounder for next year.
Not too concerned, i think we have a really solid bunch of kids now. From here on in its just top up. Also, we will probably get some picks for whoever decides to leave at the end of the year.
@Potta’s World if you have a good bunch of kids why would anyone any to leave.. maybe it’s the purple jumpers?
@@chadstooge Why did Cerra leave? By all accounts it wasn't anything external to the club, he just wanted to go home. Who can blame him really?
Its a lot like life really
I thought that ruck rover guy supported the Giants?
Kristian has a soft spot for the giants but is dockers fan
5:24 eagles rebuild comment ages like milk in the sun
BEN KING!!!!! What a missed opportunity :(
Fremantle have a terrible history with teasing high draft picks for established players who fail to deliver. The Jesse hogan signing was terrible as we could have got Ben king at pick 6. Hopefully we have finally learnt our lesson
Go Freo
Collingwood finished 8th on the table in 2020 and bowed out in the semi, here is how they moved forward
They drove out the old coach (Nathan Buckley) and the old board who all over stayed their welcome and replaced them all with competent successors
Traded out
Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Phillips
Drafted
Oliver Henry (traded), Finlay Macrae, Reef McInnes, Caleb Poulter (delisted), Liam McMahon (delisted), Beau McCreery, Jack Ginnivan, Isaac Chugg (delisted)
MSD recruits
Ashley Johnson, Aiden Begg, Josh Carmichael
Traded in 2021
Patrick Lipinski, Nathan Kreuger
Traded out 2021
Max Lynch (Hawthorn, retired)
Draft
Nick Daicos, Arlo Draper, Cooper Murley, Harvey Harrison, Charlie Dean
2022
Traded out
Oliver Henry, Brodie Grundy
Traded in
Daniel McStay (UFA), Bobby Hill, Billy Frampton, Tom Mitchell, Oleg Markov (SSP)
Draft
Edward Allan, Jakob Ryan, Joe Richards, Oscar Steene
Departures since 2020
Ben Reid, Travis Varcoe, Lynden Dunn, Dayne Beams, Matt Scharenberg, Tim Broomhead, Atu Bosenavulagi, Tom Phillips, Jaidyn Stephenson, Adam Treloar, Flynn Appleby, Rupert Wills, Tom Langdon, Levi Greenwood, Mark Keane, Brayden Sier, Jay Rantall, Max Lynch, Jordan Roughead, Anton Tohill, Chris Mayne, Josh Thomas, Caleb Poulter, Liam McMahon, Isaac Chugg, Oliver Henry, Brodie Grundy, Callum Brown, Tyler Brown, Jack Madgen
Wow this pharmacist knows a lot about Collingwood
@@FootyA2Z lol I’m not a pharmacist, my profile is just the super villain from Phineas and Ferb
@@TheLaughingMagpie czcams.com/video/BdWcAzR1Gk8/video.html
this video would suggest otherwise
@@FootyA2Z XD
Im not sure you should use Collingwood getting DeGoey as a positive example. He has been a curse on the club from day1.
You love what Melb did, But WCE did the same in 2015 to 2018...
And Lachie Schultz has also since departed
freo and their love for failed Full forwards is the only constant in the afl
@J G ok
@J G irrelevant...
Tony Modra? He did ok.
@J G 5 Australian states not 4 WA,SA,QLD,VICS,NSW
Wait.. Freo were relevant?
Wow you guys really stuffed up there... Crozier out, Hogan in. Just disgusting. You are way too positive for all the mistakes that have occurred. There's a couple good mids there but I don't know if there best will be enough to beat the top 4 from last year.
Fremantle got Brad Hill and Andrew Brayshaw from losing Chris Mayne and Lachie Weller respectively
This 04:19
Our last 3 drafts have been strong. Cerra leaving best thing to happen... 😁
Got Jye Amiss in return
Wait... this isnt Tifo Football
We're the dockers playing fantasy football trading away players that are difference makers
Jack Anthony is a one hit wonder
How in the fook does anyone understand the draft system lmao that sheet makes no sense, About as much sense as when they started adding letters to math, Its a no from me, However I think I miss understood the end of the video, So your saying all those picks they threw away turned into rosie and king?
If Freo didn't traded away their picks for players in 2018, they could have drafted Rosie and King as they went pick 5&6 in the draft that year. hope this helped: )
I'll see your Jack Anthony, and raise you a Daniel Hargraves
Are FREO still in the AFL! 😂
Ben King would have been shit if he played at Freo
I dislike this hindsight analysis.
What would you have said of Melbourne’s lost building after 2020?
No more ‘rebuilds’
1:12 "Had fallen just short of a Grand Final Birth"
2013: I R R E L E V A N T
Nothing to see here...
Let’s be brutally honest, Dylan Alcott would have been a better recruit than Harley Bennell…..
I’m literally ashamed of myself for clicking on this video. 🤦🏻♂️