installing the sub-frame mount for a backhoe and hydraulics overview.
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- In this video we look at the frame mount on a kubota tractor to see just how easy it is to install a frame mount for a backhoe. we also look into the hydraulics needed to run the backhoe and I explain just how simple it is to install.
That's a very good description. So, let's see if I understand this right: Once the tractor is lifted up on the bucket and backhoe outriggers, just about all of the backhoe digging forces are being handled by the loader plus that backhoe subframe that gets added on, and the rest of the tractor is just kind of hanging there. Does that sound about right?
well yes, however there is great debate over how much you lift a tractor's wheels off the ground when using the backhoe. some manuals say lift the wheels off the ground as needed some say merely ease the weight off the wheels but keep rubber contact in place. so your point is correct the majority of the work load is distributed through the tractor's sub-frame combination of backhoe and loader. very good summary I wish I had included that!
You look awesome to me. That curly beard is purty . I'm the GIRL that requested this info packed video about the backhoe. Very informative and believe me I've watched 100's Of backhoe videos and you did the absolute best! You really helped me to make a wiser and more informed choice. Thanks for such a fast response . I planted bamboo about14 years ago and it's gonna cost me a lot of time, money and hard work to dig it up. Heavenly Father thank you for the Holy Spirit that gives us strength.
daveknowshow can't afford a Kubota $8000.00! What do you think about this? www.woodmaxx.com/WM_7600_WoodMaxx_Backhoe_Attachment_p/wm-7600.htm
that is one of the units that attaches to the existing three point. they do ok but they do put a lot of pressure on the three point where it attaches to the tractor. you can do a lot of digging with this style of backhoe but you MUST go easy in my honest opinion. with that said if a three point unit is what you will settle for I would look for a used one. while your at it look for a used factory kubota frame mount backhoe. many times people buy them and then sell them for what ever reason. we had one for sale last year in our group on facebook. " kubota tractor and equipment " if I remember correctly they only wanted 3500.00 for it and it was a frame mount kubota backhoe attachment. I'm sure its sold now but the point is there are some out there for sale used. find out what model fits your tractor and do a search nationally on craigslist. you just find one at a great price.
Amen!
catbirdfeeder #3
Thank you for this description. This helps me a lot with my M9000. Im getting an backhoe attachment and thhis gives me a real good look and feel for what I'm in for. Good Job.
glad it helped. you will love having a hoe.
Thanks Dave, really helped me understand the "power beyond loop", and how the lines are split from the distribution block, whereas before I was looking at a hodge podge of remote lines on both front and back and scratching my head.
glad it helped. you may also find my video titled "installing rear remotes and understanding tractor hydraulics" it gives even more details about how the power beyond circuit works.
Very good video Dave. Now I understand more about what it takes to install a backhoe to my tractor . Would love to have one, but can not justify buying one, for what little I do.
Sure good to see you making a video again, was starting to worry about you and was thinking of calling you , to check up. It is good to see how many people are praying for you.
Vic
yes it is good to be surrounded by supportive friends like you. It truly has helped me mentally and physically.
Dave- Outstanding tutorial and explanation of backhoe dynamics. Thanks for sharing! 😃👍
thank you my brother, the idea came from a subscriber question and it was a good one! I was happy to make it for her. brings me a lot of joy to help others.
Well done Dave! Thanks for taking time to share and may you be well very soon!
thanks Randy its always fun making these video and letting folks know what is going on with me. I'm hanging in there tough. had some surgery last Tuesday so I'm taking things slow and easy for now. hopefully be back to my ole self soon to enjoy this summer weather. be well and be blessed my friend!
Very good presentation Dave. Makes me want one for my BX 2670, but don't really have a use for one. Good to see ur feeling some better. Prayers do work. Take care and God Bless.
yes brother the prayers do work! appreciate your comments and compliments I'm trying to stay happy. be blessed today and every day my brother.
I'm just starting to learn, ypur a great teacher!! Thank you so much Dave
thanks for the kind words I appreciate you stopping by my channel hope you have a great day tractoring!
You did a great job explaining everything.
thanks brother, it was a fun video project to work on. I only had to shoot it twice. I only barely stepped on my tongue a few times. lol
yes agree with you about how much Jobs do with tractor after you get one. I've done lots more with it Inc unload furniture etc.i have used fel for opening ditches at first used bucket to dig out ditch but found that by dipping bucket and drag out of ditch is better and you can keep same depth all the way.you learn as you go.
yes the bucket is great for clearing ditches just as you described dipped down.
Very informative. You are in our prayers. Hope your health improves.
thank you so much for the well wishes. I feel decent today and today is what I will deal with one day at a time. peace love and respect Dave in Virginia
Nice job Dave! I would like to add that running a 3 point hoe you run the risk of breaking your tractor in half due to the extreme pressure put on the trans and engine block. Frame mount is the way to go. Glad you are an Orange club member! Sorry you are having some health issues. Thanks again for an informative video. Dave knows how!
you are 100% correct frame mount hoe is the way to go for sure. I have had all sorts of color tractors but I do love this orange one! my son use to work as a service tech for Kubota. he says they are really great machines.
@@daveknowshow Kubota manufactures all there own parts, they are quality machines, I personally own 3 one with a BH-90 hoe, they really are dependable true work horses.
As always Dave, another very informative video. Pretty interesting on how they hook up and how that backhoe frame goes completely to front of tractor for good sturdy support. Want to thank catbirdfeeder as well for the good question that prompted making of this video. Hang in there Dave and as NOLAW47 said, keep that humor going...... Don
thanks Don, its nice to smile it would not be possible had you not helped me out the way you did this past month. the bills were over whelming me. having some of that stress relieved truly helped me physically and mentally. thank you so much!
awesome. going to attempt to run hydraulics to the rear of my Massey 1040 and build a custom backhoe subframe to mount
you will love having a backhoe!
great video sorry to hear about your health get well soon my thoughts and prayers are with you ill be binge watching today god bless
thank you my brother appreciate the comments and thanks for watching my video.
Thanks for the video 👍
thank you for stopping by!
I like the way Kioti Backhoe's mount, very easy
yes these are very easy as well goes on in like five minutes.
Good run down on how all of this connects together.. I ended up buying a new hoe and the dealer installed the sub frame.. Wasn't that much more for the install, although it did kill me , as I am not use to paying for work to be done by others. Now I am learning what the boulder size limit is for this piece of equipment..
I am not to religious, so I am not sure if sending you prayers is going to help or hurt?? But I will send them to you anyways. So, hope you get better physically , cause your spirit seems to be in great shape ..
thank you Ivan! when people who are not religious start to pray for you that is when God ear really opens up. trust me God wants to hear from you. I'm not over the top religious myself, not a real bible thumper that forces a belief on a person. I can tell you the prayers do work. so glad you got the backhoe I know you will really enjoy it. its a fun tool and saves your back a lot of work when doing so many projects.
Good stuff Dave. Thanks for the knowledge.
thanks for watching brother hope your having a great night!
Looks like a little bit of work to get it hooked up, guessing you need to give it some fluid so it can aid itself on pin alignment. Basically a legit backhoe with frame mount. Cool
its not to bad. just have to locate that sweet spot and the pin falls right in place.
Good stuff! When you mount a backhoe subframe are you eliminating the possibility of using the 3-point hitch from then on? I just bought a new l3301 and I'm considering adding a backhoe but sometimes need to run other implements.
nope you can still use your three point very easily.
@@daveknowshow awesome...... really appreciate your response and this video!
@@allphaselandscape sure thing thanks for stopping by!
great video , i have the same unit installed by the dealer, after using the backhoe it builds pressure on the levers maktng them hard to move.
Do you know of any reasons that it does this .. Thanks Gene
the unit may be plumbed up backwards. have the dealer check it ASAP before you damage something that is very costly.
I’m looking for a complete loader assembly for my 2007 B7610 it doesn’t have the arms or anything? Is there a kit I can buy? I can’t seem to find any info on installing a loader on my tractor?
your dealer can likely order the original kubota loader or you can order an aftermarket loader made by several different companies. just google search aftermarket tractor loader attachments. I believe woods use to sell them and there are more I'm sure. the brackets for mounting to the motor housing area will come with the loader frame.
Dave, Does it matter which line goes where? Meaning, I am installing a new rear hydraulic line on my L3130. Which is the power beyond send on the backhoe hookups and which is the power beyond return on the backhoe? (On the backhoe) One is a long line with male coupler, the other is a short line with the female coupler. I just want to make sure I get it all hooked up correctly. If this makes sense.
trace the line back from the backhoe toward the front of the tractor. the line that goes to the power beyond port at the front end loader control lever is the power coming out fluid travels from the loader control valve to the backhoe where its used and then comes out the backhoe. this hydraulic circuit is an in series type set up. see my video totled understanding tractor hydraulics so you can see exactly how the circuit works. czcams.com/video/DAeW5eqEqvM/video.html
I am about to buy a BH77 for my L3800, what model backhoe do you have ? I am not entirely sure what size bucket to get, I was going to go with the middle of the road size and try 16", I know I can't do what bigger units do for work, so this will help me take less material while digging putting less stress on the unit. What do you suggest ?
honestly a 16 is the perfect size in my opinion. The Bh77 took the place of the Bh75 which came on the older tractors like mine. its not a lot of difference between the two as far as strength. the 77 does dig an inch or so deeper. I hope to get the quick coupling from bxpanded for the backhoe bucket and maybe get the trenching bucket to go along with my 16 inch bucket.
maybe you could do video on ditching with backhoe and with FEL only thanks Roy
I'm looking at doing a video on the very subject just trying to figure out a good place to do it. I was hoping to do it during a project where the trench was needed for something. digging ditches and holes for no reason is fun but disturbing land like that is really not a good idea.
Dave..great video. I'm looking at a used 2019 Kubota M4011 backhoe. Would it fit on my 2015 MX4700?
I'm not sure but the best person to answer that is Neil Messick. you can find him on facebook or messicks.com
I have a l3800 I am looking to add a subframe for my existing backhoe it's a bh75 will this backhoe fit a l3800 subframe yours look like a bh75 also thanks
yes mine is a bh75 however the subframes differ from some models to others. the BH75 will fit the l3400 the L3800 takes the bh77 hoe. with that said people have adapted the bh75 to fit other models and so I'd say with a little effort you could adapt the BH75 to fit the L3800
@@daveknowshow what kind of modification would it take
@@dennissholly1296 I'm not 100% sure could be as simple as drilling new hole positions may need to be shimmed in or out to make the frame line up correctly. one thing for sure it can more likely be done than not be able to be done.
Does the backhoe subframe get in the way of a mid mount pto or mid mount mower?
The backhoe that had a bent hydraulic what did it cost them to fix or replace it?
I believe it was near 400 bucks for the factory replacement cylinder. I'm not sure about the mid mount mower since my tractor model does not have a mid PTO
How long does it take to it to attach/unattach the backhoe?
maybe 10 minutes its not hard at all. and the nice part is that its a solid full frame four point backhoe once its in place. much better and stronger than a three point backhoe that has no frame mount. honestly having a tractor with no hoe is like having a tractor with no front end loader. it really limits the ability of the machine. I have taken the machine with the backhoe on loaded it and my brush hog on the tractor. went to a brush hog job that had some large 5 inch trees and took them out with the hoe then installed the hog and proceeded to mow. then changed it all back for the ride back home on the trailer. so its not hard at all. the more often you do it the faster it becomes. I doubt it will take you more than 15 minutes the first time.
@@daveknowshow What about older models like a 70's or 80's model? Im kind of new to getting into buying a tractor after we purchased some land thats why im inquiring .
@@daveknowshow By the way thanks for responding ...
@@kraut39 so long as it has the 4 point backhoe frame mount it will be the same. if you google the model of the tractor and then click the link that is for "tractor data dot com" you will see the tractor and under attachments you will see any backhoe listed that is a original factory backhoe. you can then look up that model and see how it attaches and compare that to the current models. you can also ask a local kubota dealer to look it up for you. if you know the tractor model you are looking at I can try to see what information is available online for you. just let me know if I can help in any way at all.
Sounds like you can just leave this in all the time?
yes you can
Just purchased a used B3300 2012, but no Backhoe, so this was very interesting .. I don't see a distribution box on mine ? seems that the hydraulics just go back to the PTO.. so It would seem to me that i need that as well as a sub frame for this model.. Also was wondering if I buy a used woods BH9000, than I probably need to buy a new sub frame from woods to make sure everything matches? Thanks !
there may be a distribution block located at the rear with ports for power beyond, power, and return to tank. if you buy a used unit try to get the subframe with it and check with woods before hand to make sue it will fit the B3300. The B3300 is a very strong and nice tractor. congratulation on getting such a nice tractor! appreciate you dropping by my channel and watching my video. hope your having a great weekend.
Thanks, I wanted a backhoe with it but could to find one, so figured I would buy the next one that came up , with or without. and here i am looking for and learning about 3 pt hitch , pto, sub frame . Plan on using it in the woods, so I wanted something a little small but with enough horses, also need spacers for the wheels. Thanks again, I will check out the rear.
glad to help! thanks for the reply. hope you find one at a good price.
daveknowshow yeah I thought you look pretty good there and thanks for sharing your videos I pray that God help you through your tough times
thank you Robert Clark, I appreciate the kind words and prayers. the prayers do work!!!
hey dave is it possible to put a bh-900 hoe of an L35 on an L 3130?? found a good deal on one. subframe is my biggest concern
I would check with kubota corp or a dealer or kubota parts at kubota books dot com. look over the measurements you may find it's close enough to make it work. they call the L35 a full frame true "Tractor Loader Backhoe" I'm not clear if that means the backhoe subframe is part of the tractor frame or if it can be removed and possible installed on another tractor model. if its a good price it is sure worth checking into. wish I could be of more help. keep me posted!
daveknowshow i have read lots of threads hoping someone has done it. im gonna make it happen lord willing. this video was very informative. i will keep u posted on the project. thanks
daveknowshow hey dave i have another question about the bt-900 backhoe on a 3130. my total flow on hydraulics is 13.2 gpm. the L35 the hoe came on is 17 gpm. is that a big factor? thanks
thats a great question and one I dont know the answer to. I would assume it would still run the hoe just not as efficiently as 17 gpm would run it. if you look up the hoe on kubota books dot com it may tell you the minimum required gpm for that hoe.
YOUNG MAN ,
NEED TO KNOW WHERE HYDRAULIC PUMP TO LIFT LOADER BUCKET
located on the right side on engine just behind where the brake pedal is on this tractor. yours may be different. look up the parts diagram on kubotabooks.com
Clearly Dave doesn't know how to use a microphone. Clean, clear, crisp is always best, not reverb
clearly you dont know that its not the microphone that caused the reverb its the editing software after the fact. I had no idea you were the authority on video / audio production. as for me I like to experiment and see what works best since I'm not an authority on video editing or audio editing. so I try a few videos one way and post them and see what works. if it dont work thats ok. the video stays because it has more value other than how much reverb is used. is the amount of reverb all you got out of the video? interesting.
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Lol I hear yeah. We're getting old☹
I know I sure am getting old
you can't get backhoe because they sell diggers here in UK so I've been told
interesting,... I never heard of that. I thought they would sell them every where world wide. I never figured I would use my backhoe as much as I do. its truly one of my favorite tools! I used it Saturday to help a neighbor remove landscape timbers. so many uses that you never think of until you own one.