1Zpresso All grinders choosing the right grinder
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- In this video i go through all the most readily available 1Zpresso grinders and explain what the basic differences are with each grinder, plus some of the pro's and cons of each grinder.
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Very very useful information. Thanks you META Coffee.
Very useful video. The capabilities of all coffee grinders are described in great detail. Good work👍
Thank you Rus, hope the video was helpful.
Your detailed videos along with very detailed responses are second to none. I’m a bit intimidated in dialing in a grinder with my Breville Bambino but you’ve convinced me to take the leap with the XPro. I’m still new to espresso so am still using pressurized portafilter but sounds like XPro can get me by with that until I advance to nonpressurized. Thank you and you’ve earned a new subscriber!
Thank you very much for your very kind words and subscription, also a very happy new year to you and your family.
The X-Pro is an excellent all round grinder, its got the same 12.5 microns (fine grind adjustments) as the the JX-Pro, but its not as bulky and heavy as the JX-Pro.
The X-Pro also has the new adjustment dial and thumb nut, so its super fast to calibrate the X-Pro, the JX-Pro is a bit of a pain.
When it comes to Espresso the most important thing is the micron size, this is the size between each click. So when you are adjusting the grinder to get the grind size you need for you Espresso, the smaller the micron size the better the grinder will be for Espresso.
A lot of entry level grinders (and some prosumer grinders) promote their grinders as being "Espresso grinders" however this is not strictly true, these grinders have very big microns (25 - 30 microns) so technically they can grind very well for basic Espresso (pressurised basket) they struggle to get a good grind size for proper none pressurised Espresso.
So i always advise people to get a grinder that has smaller microns and this will help them if they want to advance from pressurised to none pressurised Espresso.
Another good thing about the X-Pro is the burrs, the X-Pro has the 40mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs, these burrs give a very nice flavour profile for Pour over, so the X-Pro is a great all round grinder.
Please feel free to message me if you have anymore questions and i will be happy to answer.
@@mightymightyironhead will do, thanks so much!! I’ll be sure to keep you updated once I get my XPro.
After a year with the Q2 I upgraded to the JX Pro. For my use, it's the best all around grinder on the market. Yes, it's a bit heavy for traveling. But I travel with it nonetheless. Thanks for doing these videos!
You are very welcome, thanks also for your support. Yes the JX-Pro is a bit of a tank, but its got that reassuring heft in your hands and feels like it wont fall apart after two weeks.
Micron size is a really important thing with any coffee grinder, its the first question that i ask when considering a new grinder.
The JX-Pro has the 12.5 microns and that's a very good micron size to cover all brew types and not have issues with creating extra fines at the medium/coarse range.
I am going to miss the JX-Pro when 1Zpresso stop manufacturing this grinder.
Great video and just what I needed before I make a purchase.
Thanks Derick, really happy that it helped. If you need any further info, please feel free to message me and i can help with any questions you might have.
Fantastic video, mate! Incredibly informative. Thank you, META Coffee.
Thanks very much for taking the time to check it out and thanks also for the positive feedback.
Excellent info, thank you 😊
You are very welcome. Hope the information helps you.
Excellent, thank you!
@@meandmyRC99 you are very welcome.
Just got the Q2 today and its very hard to adjust for espresso. Changing roasts and beans that are grown in different elevations, change that from hard to hellish. I need an excel sheet to keep my data and extraction times somewhat close to what i want.
But for anything else, wonderful. Aeropress and pourover it works nice and grinds really fast especially given its size and price
Yes the Q2 is not really an Espresso grinder, it has 25 micron grind adjustments, so technically it can be used for proper none pressurised porta filter Espresso, but you will usually be left with just one number or setting and any movement from that to adjust finer or courser and those steps will become too big.
For basic Espresso using a pressurised porta filter the Q2 is decent, but again you are grinding finer, so it can take a little longer to grind fine for Espresso.
Also i really don't recommend that you try to grind lighter roasted beans, because they are still really hard and you will find yourself very quickly descend to the third ring of coffee hell.
There is also quite a big difference between the Q2 Pentagonal and the Q2 Heptagonal, so i hope that you got the Heptagonal version. The Heptagonal has the excellent 7 core burrs and they are slightly faster than the Pentagonal burrs and they also give a much better flavour profile.
Actually 1Zpresso have just released an even cheaper version of the Q2, called the Q2 Air. Its basically a re-skinned Q2 Heptagonal, with the same burrs, so 25 microns and same central shaft fittings as the Heptagonal, but with a hard plastic jacket and a hard plastic catch cup, its available in 4 colors and costs $50USD, so half the price of the Q2 Heptagonal.
I will have a video showing the Q2 Air up in a couple of days.
Just spent ages watching various 1zpresso reviews......most never really answering what I needed to know. Until yours. Wished I'd found this one sooner. Wanted an 'all-rounder' so I think I'll go for the X Pro as the JX Pro doesn't seem to be stocked anywhere.
Hi Jon, thanks for the positive feedback, much appreciated.
Actually the X-Pro was meant to be a replacement for the JX-Pro because 1Zpresso have discontinued the JX-Pro now. The JX-Pro might still be available from some dealers (i actually have quite a few in stock) .
The X-Pro is slightly smaller than the JX-Pro and has a slightly smaller capacity (about 5g depending on your beans) the X-Pro also has slightly smaller burrs (40mm and the JX-pro has 48mm)
But i dont think that this makes the X-Pro slower to grind because the X-Pro has 7 core Heptagonal burrs and the JX-Pro has 6 core burrs, so it kind of levels out.
The most important thing about both grinders that make these two good all round grinders is the micron size for fine grind adjusting. Both have 12.5 microns, this takes them from being a standard "Espresso" grinder to a proper Espresso grinder that can be used for none pressurised Espresso.
The Burrs that you get with the X-Pro are the same burrs that you find in the Comandante C40 so the X-Pro has a very similar flavour profile for Pour over.
The X-Pro also has a newly designed adjustment dial so its super fast to calibrate, the JX-Pro is famous for being confusing and a little tricky to calibrate.
If you can live with the slightly smaller size, the X-Pro is a excellent all round grinder and can be used for every brew type including proper Espresso.
@mightymightyironhead thanks very much for the detailed reply. I must admit, I find the 1zpresso lineup to be a bit confusing but your contributions have certainly helped fathom out what I want/need, particularly the reference to future proofing by choosing one that can do espresso as well as pour over (at the moment all i do is french press, but might get into espresso in the future) Thanks again.
No problem Jon you are very welcome, happy to help.
@mightymightyironhead well, following your recommendations X Ultra ordered and should be arriving here in blighty on Monday. I'll report back how I get on.
Please feel free to message me if you have any questions or need and help.
I have the jx, i like it just fine, now would like the zp6
The JX is still a great grinder, its not so great for serious Espresso grinding, but technically its can get good results.
The ZP6 is an odd grinder, its only able to be used for Pour over and French press according to 1Zpresso. Personally i think that this is a limitation, because i would like to be able to use a grinder for all brew types, but on the other hand, i do see why some people would really like a "Pour over only" grinder.
I will be ordering some ZP6 early next week, so i should have them available in the next couple of weeks and i will make a short video to talk about them.
Thanks for your comparison. Would the J-Max make pour overs similar to the K-Max, if one used a coffee sifter?
Hi good afternoon. That's actually a pretty good question.
Too be honest i have never tried to do that, so i could not say for sure what the results would be.
Technically that could work, if you use the correct size filter (the J-Max is 8.8 microns and the K-Max is 22 microns) so if you grind for Pour over using the J-Max and then use a 22 micron screen i suppose that the screen would retain most of the particles at the medium grind range and allow the smaller particles to pass through.
It would mean that you need to grind more beans than you would normally need, but the lack of fines that you would normally get from the finer micron settings with the J-Max should mean that your flavour profile would be more in line with the K-Max.
If you can get a screen that would work, i would be happy to hear back what the results were.
Today, I have got my X pro S grinder. I loved it. I have a question about this grinder. Interestingly, 0 was not in its place. It starts 5 click before 0. However, I saw in table that grinding size starts from 0. So how can I start counting clicks (from which point) if I want to adjust it for pressurized basket? Actually I want to make espresso with naked portafilter but I need to know just starting point for pressurized first and then go back more fine grind setting rotating it to counter clockwise. What would you recommend? I think even it starts from 5 click before 0 , I should come by normal rotating it to 0 first and only after to start counting clicks following the table for brew methods of official 1zpresso for X pro grinder although mine is X pro S model/
Hi. Actually the X-Pro S and the regular X-Pro grinders are exactly the same, apart from the fact that the X-Pro S has the new S series handle, there is no other difference between the two grinders.
Sometimes when you take your grinder out of the box, the grinder has been calibrated in the factory (burrs are fully closed and the 0 number on the adjustment dial is at the starting position) but sometimes they are not and you will need to calibrate the grinder yourself.
Its very easy to calibrate the X-Pro grinder. First turn the adjustment dial all the way clockwise until you feel some resistance from the dial starting to feel tight.
Do not over tighten the adjustment dial at that point, the dial should be "finger tight" and not forced. So don't try and move the dial too hard to get the 0 number into the starting position.
You can also check that the burrs are fully closed by placing the grind handle onto the body and turning the grinder on its side, if the handle falls, the burrs are open, if the handle stays in position, the burrs are closed.
So after you have turned the adjustment dial all the way until the burrs are closed. Pop the adjustment dial off by pushing up (it does not twist) then find the 0 number on the dial and place the dial with the 0 number above the 0 marking on the body of the grinder (its a small mark at the top of the grinder, right below where the adjustment dial sits)
Then place the 0 number above that marking and pop the adjustment dial back onto the body. That's it the grinder is calibrated and ready to use.
The X-Pro has 4 full rotations that cover all of the different brew types. One full rotation is from the 0 number on the dial around and back to the 0 number again.
The numbers on the dial are 0 . 1 . 2 . 3 . 4 . 5 and back to 0 thats one full rotation.
Each of these numbers have 10 clicks for fine adjustment between them. So its 0 . 1 (10 clicks) 1 . 2 (20 clicks) 2 . 3 (30 clicks) 3 . 4 (40 clicks) 4 . 5 (50 clicks) and 5 . 0 (full rotation is 60 clicks)
For the correct grind size for Espresso, its going to really depend on what beans you are using and their roast level.
1Zpresso recommends between 40 - 70 clicks for the Espresso grind range. So from closed burrs you will start to turn the adjustment dial to the first number 4 on the dial (thats 40 clicks) to then grind more course you keep turning the adjustment dial to open the burrs more (70 clicks is the first number 1 after the first full rotation and is the end of the recommended Espresso grind size).
For Espresso using a none pressurised basket (porta filter) you should go for the more fine grind settings, but this is not always the case, because there are a few things that might mean that you need to adjust the grind size, so the 1Zpresso grind chart is just a reference to get you somewhere close to start.
I would recommend that you go a little on the course side to start with, maybe around 50 - 60 clicks and adjust from there.
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Hello.
Thanks for the video this was very helpful.
I'm a complete newbie and I bought the K-Ultra to use with an Aeropress / Hario V60 / Hario Switch.
I'll maybe consider buying a grinder for espresso in the future, if I understand correctly I should buy the X-Pro, J-Max or J-Pro?
Do you have any other recommandations (other models/brands) in the same price range?
Cheers from France!
Hi good morning, thank you for your positive feedback.
The main thing to consider when buying a grinder for Espresso use, is the micron size. The smaller the micron size the better the grinder will be for dialing in the grind size for a good shot of Espresso.
Technically any grinder will produce a shot of Espresso if you can find the "sweet spot" but often this is just a single setting or a single number and any movement from that setting or number will result in your shot being either too fast or too slow.
So its important to have these smaller microns to be able to have a bigger grind range and more options for adjusting the grind size finely in increments.
The problem is that a lot of the cheaper grinders (and some of the more expensive grinders like Comandande) have these bigger microns (25 - 30 microns) and these grinders are more suited for Pour over and not really for Espresso.
Some other grinders that are also promoted as "Pour over" grinders will have slightly smaller microns (between 15 - 20 microns) like the 1Zpresso K series grinders. Your K-Ultra has 20 microns. These grinders can also be used for more advanced Espresso using a none pressurised porta filter and they do have a small but useful grind adjustment range to play with.
However there are some other grinders that have smaller microns than that. 12.5 - 20 microns. These are good all round grinders and with the smaller micron range 12.5 like the X-Pro and the JX-Pro they have a decent grind adjustment range for advanced Espresso using a none pressurised porta filter.
The 1Zpresso J-Max has 8.8 microns, so its got the finest micron adjustments of all the 1Zpresso grinders and the J-Max is really an Espresso grinder first.
This grinder can also be used for all other brew types, however its worth pointing out that because the J-Max has very fine micron adjustments, that it can produce slightly more fines at the medium and course grind range.
This is very typical of a fine Espresso grinder with smaller microns and is not really an issue that a little adjustment cant fix.
So i would say that if you want a grinder than can be used for everything, the JX-Pro and the X-Pro with their 12.5 microns are an excellent choice.
If you want an excellent Pour over grinder, that have a very small but useful grind range for serious Espresso, your K-Ultra is the best.
If you want an Espresso grinder that can be used for everything, but might produce slightly more fines for Pour over and French press, then the J-Max is the one to go for.
There are a couple of other grinders that are slightly cheaper than the 21Zpresso grinders, but most are not good quality and dont have the smaller micron size.
I think that its worth looking at the Kingrinder series. These grinders are made in the same factory as the 1Zpresso grinders and are very decent grinders.
The Kingrinder series typically have smaller microns, 16 - 18 so go for the one with the smallest microns. Also choose a grinder that has the 48mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs and not the smaller 38mm burrs or the 5 core Pentagonal burrs, because the 7 core Heptagonal burrs will have faster grinding and a much better flavour profile.
The only other grinder that is better than the 1Zpresso J-Max for Espresso is a step less grinder and the only step less manual grinders that i would recommend are the Kinu series grinders, so its worth checking those out.
Anyway i hope that information is useful to you, any other questions, please feel free to message me. Have a great day.
@@mightymightyironhead Thank you for the detailed answer this was very helpful!
K ultra can do espresso just fine. I have a k plus and I have no problem dialing in espresso with. The grind adjustment size is just one factor, the burr geometry and the amount of fines it produces is just as important. And when dialing in espresso ratio is more important than time, a couple of seconds won't have a huge impact on taste. I would recommend looking up other reviews of the k series grinders and see their comments on espresso rather than relying this one single review.
@@fuzion1094 So you are saying that the K-Plus (20 microns) is going to be better than the J-Max (8.8 microns) for Espresso? Please explain how the grind range for adjustment with 22 microns with your K-Plus is just as good as the 8.8 microns that you get with the J-Max for proper Espresso (not basic pressurised Espresso)?
I do agree that the K-Plus can be used for basic pressurised and has a small but decent grind range for proper Espresso (none pressurised) but you are going to have a much smaller grind range to play with than the J-Max.
I also agree that the type of burrs that the grinder has is pretty important, but the 7 core burrs that you have with the K series grinders are more effective for flavour profile at the medium (Pour over) grind range, for Espresso this is not so important.
Its also true that the J-Max does produce more fines at the medium (Pour over) grind range and this can affect the draw down for your Pour over slightly, but its negligible and can be fixed with a little adjustment and the post is actually asking about Espresso use, not Pour over use.
So its kind of odd that you would advise them to buy another K series grinder for Espresso use, when they already have the K-Ultra grinder, that grinder has 20 microns and has a slightly better grind range than your K-Plus, but its still not a proper Espresso grinder and nowhere as good as the J-Max for proper Espresso.
@mightymightyironhead I didn't say k plus has finer adjustment than jmax. All I said is k plus can do espresso just fine so can the k ultra. I never use pressurized baskets, I have baskets from vst, ims, weber, they all work fine with my k plus. I also didn't suggest to buy another k series grinder for espresso. I only suggested he doesn't need to buy another grinder for espresso since he can do that with his existing k ultra grinder. Also I suggested he look at other youtube reviews for k series grinder since they have all reviewed it for both pour over and espresso. Even 1zpresso's own website's chart shows k series is dual purpose for both brew and espresso, and they describe jmax as espresso only.
I find it odd that you're pushing a newbie to buy yet another grinder for espresso when his existing grinder would work just fine.
Dear friend! Hi! Thank you, according to your advice, I chose another additional coffee grinder for JX, and this one became k-ultra! I really like it! But I felt you know what? It has a sharper taste compared to the filling and Turkish coffee, and the result with k-ultra was sharper and very saturated.
Espresso turns out great, but I still can't leave the thought about j-max)) do I need it? For some reason, I still want to buy it, but is it worth it? Many people write that he has an uncomfortable grip! Advise me, otherwise it turns out as if I already collect them, but I like it)))
Friend, share your impression which coffee grinder do you consider your favorite and why? Thank you!!!!
The K-Ultra is a really nice grinder. I also agree with you that the flavour profile that you get with the K-Ultra is different to the flavour profile that you get with the JX grinder. This is because the burrs are different burrs, the JX has the regular 6 core burrs and the K-Ultra has the 7 core burrs with the cutting edges all the way up the side of the blades.
Also the K-Ultra has 20 micron fine adjustment and the JX has 25 microns, so this will also change the flavour.
To be honest, if you have the K-Ultra and you can get good shots of Espresso with the Ultra, i dont think that you need to also purchase the J-Max. I would only recommend that you buy the J-Max if you find it difficult to dial in a good shot for a good extraction using your Ultra.
The J-Max has 8.8 microns so its got a lot more adjustment room to get the perfect Espresso shot, but again, if you are ok using the Ultra, then there is no reason to also buy the J-Max just for Espresso.
If you are really serious and you have money to burn, then you could purchase the J-Max purely for Espresso and keep your Ultra just for Pour over and French press.
Personally i have several 1Zpresso grinders and i use my JX-Pro for pretty much everything, from none pressurised Espresso up to French press. The JX-Pro has 12.5 microns and can handle everything. For serious proper Espresso, its got a small but decent grind range and i have never had an issue where i needed to change to my J-Max because my JX-Pro could not get the correct grind size.
I am not saying that the JX-Pro is the best 1Zpresso grinder, but it is the best 1Zpresso all round grinder and can handle everything. I will also say that the flavour profile from the JX-Pro is not as good as the flavour profile as the K-Ultra or other K series grinders, because the JX-Pro also has the 6 core burrs, but its still got a very nice flavour.
@@mightymightyironhead Thanks for the answer friend!!!! Here, and now it turns out I again don't have a coffee grinder with a very thin stroke, so I think he can choose either jx-pro or j-max, now they have the same price, but here's what I think, j-max will also be as fast as jx pro in grinding or he has a small K series feeding grain to the millstones?
A friend also wanted to ask if the JE coffee grinder is worth buying it for espresso? it seems to have 25 microns as well as JX, but they say that there are smaller steps in it? What do you say?
@@mightymightyironheadcan you say more about the difference in flavor profile for k-ultra and jx pro? I recently bought a jx pro but am still within the return period. I am considering the k-ultra, but am not necessarily sure of how much of an “upgrade” it is. I drink mainly medium roasts and brew pour overs
Which grinder do you suggest for Turkish coffee in terms of ease/speed of grinding and flavours and the possibility to grind for other brewing methods (especially dripping)?
Too be honest I don’t think that any manual coffee grinder will be easy to grind for Turkish, to grind Turkish grind size takes the longest to grind, maybe a few minutes if you are really taking your time.
It’s a lot longer and a lot harder if you use lighter roasted beans, so I highly recommend that you never do that.
I would say that the type of burrs in the grinder can help to make the grinding a little easier and faster depending on the type of burrs the grind has.
The bigger the burrs and the number of cores, (cutting edges or blades) the more cores the burrs have the better.
The grinders that can actually grind fine enough for Turkish are:
JX (48mm 6 core burrs) (25 microns)
J (48mm 6 core burrs) (25 microns)
JX-Pro (48mm 6 core burrs) (12.5 microns)
X-Pro (40mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs) (12.5 microns)
J-Max (48mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs) (8.8 microns)
J-Ultra (48mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs) (8 microns)
K series grinders (all have 48mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs) (between 20 - 22 microns)
If I had to choose between each of these grinder based on the flavour of the Turkish brew, there are really two different types of burrs at play here, so you will have a different flavour profile for both of these burr types.
I think that this flavour profile difference is more noticeable at the courser grind range (Pour over ect).
I use my J-Max daily for Drip coffee and I can definitely taste the difference between this grinder and my JX grinder, the J-Max gives a bolder flavour profile and the JX has a little more clarity.
This is even more noticeable for Pour over and I would not use my J-Max for Pour over, I would use either the X-Pro or any K series grinder.
Also you have the micron size, this will also change the flavour profile depending on how big or small the microns are.
For example, the J-Ultra has 8 microns, this really fine micron size will produce more fines in the ground particles, however for something like Turkish fine grind and brew, I don’t think that this will be an issue.
So if I wanted a grinder that would be faster (slightly) I would get one with the biggest burrs with the most cores (blades) (48mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs) and I wanted a bolder flavour right across the brew range, I would choose the J-Max or J-Ultra.
So if you are not interested in using the grinder for any brew above Moka pot (Pour over) then the bolder flavour might be a good thing for you and it might also enhance that bitter flavour that you get with Turkish coffee.
I wanted a grinder that would still be faster (slightly) (48mm burrs) but I don’t want those extra fines and I don’t want to lose that clarity in the cup at the mid or course grind range because of the extra fines from the finer microns.
I would go for one of the K series grinders, they will still grind as quickly as the J-Max or Ultra, but they will have a nicer flavour for any brew above Moka pot.
Thank you so much!
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Great video.
Was a bit disappointed that the K Ultra is more of a pour over grinder.
I was almost about to order the k ultra do do both pour over chemex and espresso (58mm sage oracle touch). Usually a medium blend.
I was also a little surprised that 1Zpresso would release another Pour over grinder so soon after they released the K-Max.
There are a few reasons that they did this. One of the reasons is to try and have one grinder that is great for Pour over, instead of many grinders that are really just the same grinder with slightly different cosmetic differences (K-Pro, K-Max, K-Plus ect).
They will be only manufacturing the K-Ultra moving forward and they wont be manufacturing the other K-Pro and K-Max grinders, so soon you will only be able to buy their Ultra model.
I have not had any confirmation from 1Zpresso, but i also think that they want to change some of the cosmetic features for their grinders, because Comandante keep hitting other companies with copyright lawsuits, because they somehow think that they own the copyright for manual coffee grinders, when they actually only have a patent for a couple of cosmetic features and one of those is the handle design.
So think that 1Zpresso want to limit this stupid behavior by changing anything that might give Comandante a reason to try and stop them releasing products.
When it comes to grinders, as you probably already know, its not easy to get a grinder that can grind very well for proper Espresso (none pressurised porta filter) and Pour over. Usually you get grinders with bigger microns that can only handle Espresso using a pressurised porta filter and any grinders that can handle serious Espresso are usually quite a lot more expensive.
There is also a limit with how small your micron adjustments can be for a grinder, before it has issues with creating too many fines, because smaller microns can create more fines and this can be an issue at the medium or course grind range and you really dont want too many fines in your Pour over, so thats why typically a Pour over grinder will have around 22 - 30 microns and an Espresso grinder will typically have something like 0 (step less - 20 microns) the smaller the better for dialing in your Espresso shot.
The K-Ultra is 20 microns, so they changed that from 22 microns in their other K series grinders and this will help with dialing in a better shot if you are using the grinder for serious Espresso, its not perfect, but those extra 2 microns will help.
I think that for your Sage oracle touch, you should be ok to use the K-Ultra, i think that those 20 microns will get you a good extraction. Obviously it will be a tiny bit easier if your beans were a little darker, but even at a medium grind size you should be ok. I think that you will have a little more work to dial in a shot if your beans were light roasted, because they usually need a finer grind size.
Like any other machine, if you have issues with the grind size not being good enough and you dont have the option to adjust the grind size on your grinder, you can always try dosing, or tamping pressure, maybe a puck screen can help, of maybe change the coffee basket to a low flow basket if its really an issue.
If you like the sound of any of those solutions, it might be a good idea to change the grinder. The JX-Pro and X-Pro both have 12.5 microns and will give you a much easier time for Espresso. The J-Max has 8.8 microns and is an excellent Espresso grinder, but like i explained before, it can produce slightly more fines at the Pour over grind range.
Anyway i hope that help you.
@@mightymightyironhead thank you very much for taking the time to explain in depth. Now its just a headache to think where I go from here on. Cheers again for your help and advice - much appreciated
@@mightymightyironhead what about Turkish ? I have on weekends - would the ultra be capable of grinding for Turkish ?
@@ivicasvilicic2325 my sincere apologise, CZcams really try to hide my messages, so i literally just noticed your messages.
By not i assume that you have already figured out that the K-Ultra can grind well for Turkish.
As is the case with all manual coffee grinders, Turkish can be the hardest and take the longest to grind. If you are brave enough to grind for Turkish, I advise that you try with a darker roasted beans first and then decide if you want to grind for lighter roasted beans, because not only will the extra fine grind take longer, but lighter roasted beans are still quite hard and can be very hard to grind.
Again my apologies for the late reply.
@@ivicasvilicic2325 Hi again. Once again my apologies for the late reply. If you did not decide on a grinder yet, maybe go for the J-Max or even the new J-Ultra grinder.
The J-Max is essentially an Espresso grinder first and foremost, its got 8.8 microns, so it has a huge grind range for Espresso.
The New J-Ultra has a re-designed body (very similar to the K-Ultra) and has 8 microns, so slightly finer grind settings.
The only downside with using an Espresso grinder for Pour over, if you do indeed want to use the grinder for Pour over, is that the finer micron size can produce slightly more fines at the medium grind range and this in turn can change the flavour profile.
The change in flavour profile id not a bad change, its just different to grinders that have larger microns and are really more suited for Pour over where you need that clarity in the cup.
Currently torn between getting a Q2 Heptagonal or the new J grinder. Noticed you put Pour Over for the JX at a 9, and Pour Over for the Q2 Heptagonal at a 10. Would you recommend saving the extra bucks and getting the Q2H over the J if I only brew pour overs? Is the only upside of the J over the Q2H the capacity?
Hi, both the J grinder and the Q2 Heptagonal are very good for all brew types (apart from none pressurised Espresso) however the reason that i gave the JX (the J grinder is really a repackaged version of the JX grinder) is because the Q2 Heptagonal has the 7 core Heptagonal burrs and the JX has the regular 6 core burrs.
As far as the flavour profile is concerned, i would personally say that the Q2 is closer to the flavour profile that you get with the Comandante C40, because the burrs are nearly the same (the C40 uses different metal, but the size and type of burrs are the same).
The JX (and the J grinder) on the other hand still has a very decent flavour profile, but just not as nice as a grinder with the 7 core Heptagonal burrs.
There are other things to also consider between the two grinders. Obviously the JX (and J grinder) is bigger and has around 5 - 10g more capacity than the smaller Q2 grinder.
The JX burrs are bigger then the Q2 (Q2 has 38mm burrs and JX has 48mm burrs) so the JX will be a little faster to grind and a little easier to grind lighter roasted beans.
Both grinders can be used for pretty much the same brew types, from French press down to Espresso, because they both have the same 25 micron grind adjustments.
However if your are looking for a grinder that can also be used for proper none pressurised Espresso, both these grinders "technically" can do that, but they will have a very small grind range (maybe one number or setting)
The bigger JX can also grind for Turkish fine grind, but the Q2 can not.
If you are really just using the grinder for Pour over and can live with the smaller capacity (around 20g average depending on the roast level of the beans) you dont mind that the grinder is a kind of no frills, basic design, honestly the Q2 heptagonal is very good for Pour over and for under $100USD its worth it just for those burrs.
If you want a heavier grinder with a slightly bigger capacity (5 - 10g) a little faster to grind (maybe 5 - 10 seconds average) slightly nicer to look at, the JX (or J grinder) is also an excellent grinder for Pour over, just with a slightly more muted and not so clear flavour profile as the Q2.
If you are really on a very tight budget and you can get it, 1Zpresso have also released the Q2 Air, its got the same burrs as the Heptagonal, but instead of the metal body sleeve and catch cup, its got a hard plastic sleeve and catch cut. This grinder is under $50USD
@@mightymightyironhead Thanks for the super detailed answer. If the difference flavour wise favours the Q2, I might lean that way. Usability differences don't matter too much to me either cause my doses are normally under 20g, and the J still utilizes the same internal grind adjustment as the Q2. Gonna have to weigh my options between the Q2H and the Q2 Air. I'm from Malaysia so once I make a decision I will definitely be buying from your store.
No problem you are very welcome.
If you ignore the flavour profile from both grinders (i would argue that the Q2 produces the best out of the two grinders) you really only have the difference in burr type and size (JX/J grinders have 48mm 6 core and Q2 has 38mm 7 core)
So you would expect the JX/J grinder to be a little faster to grind, however the smaller 7 core burrs are probably just as fast because they have one more core than the JX/J grinder, so its not much slower if any. You might only notice this difference when you try to grind light roasted beans or really fine grind like ultra fine or Turkish grind with the JX/J (the Q2 does not grind for Turkish).
Then you obviously have the size of the two different grinders means that the JX/J has slightly more capacity, but is pretty heavy to hold and if you want to travel with this grinder, to be honest its a little bit bulky.
The Q2 Air has exactly the same burrs and burr fittings as the Q2 heptagonal grinder. The only difference if the hard plastic body sleeve and the hard plastic catch cup, however these two parts dont play any part in the grinding or how the grinder works, so they dont effect the grinding in any way, so its well worth considering the Q2 Air if you want a super cheap, but really good Pour over grinder.
The X-pro and other 1Zpresso grinders that have aluminum screw on catch cups, vs magnetic attached ones, might get metal dust into your coffee which some health conscious people might not want. What do you say about this information?
Too be honest you are the first person that i have ever heard ask about this type of thing.
I would say that the possibility of wearing the threads down on either the body of the grinder, or the catch cup is very low.
Yes it is possible that very fine pieces of aluminum could get worn down, but i dont see how these very small particles could end up in the coffee.
When you screw the catch cup onto the body of the grinder, the threads on the catch cup attach just inside the body of the grinder and the design of body parts means that the threads on the body are covered by the threads on the catch when you screw both parts together, so both parts are locked together with a smooth surface.
I would think that if any small metal particles did come off by the action caused buy screwing these two together, these small particles would not be able to drop into the coffee.
At that point i would recommend that when the catch cup was unscrewed from the body, that people were careful to not allow any particles from the inside threads on the body to fall into the catch cup and use the cleaning brush to clean away any coffee particles from inside the threads on the body and the catch cup.
If by any chance that some very small metal particles did manage to get into the ground coffee, they are more than likely not going to end up in your cup, because the Espresso machine or the Pour over cone, or whatever brewing method that you are using for your coffee drink will catch any of these very small particles before they ever get to your cup.
Like i said above, i have used metal manual grinders for many years now and i don't see any wear and tear on the threads for either the body of the catch cup, that's not to say that there is none, i just don't see any on any of my 7 or 8 grinders that i use.
I personally dont think that there is anything to worry about, if this does happen and i am not convinced that it actually does happen without seeing some actual proper tests, i would say to people who are worried about this to just be careful when they screw the two parts together, make sure that both parts are straight, also use the cleaning brush to clean the threads for both parts every time that you use the grinder.
Also like you point out, if they are really worried about something like that, they can always just go for the magnetic catch cup option, or a plastic coffee grinder (i somehow thing that they would also not like using a plastic product) if its really an issue, they could also purchase an electric grinder, but this would have to be one of the more expensive models, because the cheaper one would be a lot worse than the manual grinders for issues like this and things like the burrs wearing down or touching if over calibrated.
Thanks❤
Hi all! I am interested in a coffee grinder for Turkish coffee. Unfortunately, I can't find the JX Pro in Canada right now. Can you recommend the X-Pro version for it? I'm interested in your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
Hi. Any of the 1Zpresso grinders, apart from the Q2 grinder, can grind for Turkish.
Grinding for Turkish can be pretty strenuous using any manual grinder because obviously it’s very fine and takes the longest to grind.
Dark roasted bean will be the “easiest” to grind for Turkish.
With dark roasted beans, the beans are not so hard, because they have roasted longer the beans are more brittle and easier to grind, but they take longer because Turkish is very fine, obviously medium roasted beans and light roasted beans will be harder than dark roasted beans, so they can take a lot more effort to grind, so please bare that in mind.
The X-Pro has 40mm 7 core Heptagonal burrs, so the burrs are a little smaller than some of the bigger grinders that have the bigger 48mm 6 core burrs, however because the smaller burrs have one more core, they grind at pretty much the same speed as the bigger 48mm 6 core burrs.
All of the grinder will produce a very uniform and consistent grind, so no need to worry about that.
@@mightymightyironhead thank you very much for such detailed reply! Appreciate it!
You are very welcome. The X-Pro is a little smaller than the JX-Pro, but its not so heavy to hold as the JX-Pro, so its also easier to travel if you want to take the grinder outside.
The X-Pro also has the very quick calibration system, calibrating the JX-Pro can be a pain, but the X-Pro takes seconds to calibrate.
The X-Pro has the same 12.5 micron size as the JX-Pro, so both grinders can also be used for serious none pressurised Espresso, so that very useful also. The X-Pro is a very nice grinder.
@@mightymightyironhead good evening! I bought x-pro. Would you recommend, please your grind settings for V60? Thanks in advance.
excellent video for a very confusing company when it comes to naming their products XD
Thank you. I absolutely agree. 1Zpresso are in the process of making things even more confusing by discontinuing even more of their grinders, the JX, JX-Pro, K-Pro, K-Max and the J-Max are all going.
The are replacing those grinders with the J grinder (JX) JX-Pro (X-Pro and X-Ultra) K-Pro and K-Max (K-Ultra) and the J-Max with the redesigned J-Ultra.
Ohhh they have also just released a budget version of the Q2 Heptagonal grinder called the Q2 Air.
1zpresso q2 have 25 microns step, not 28