I've been a fan since you demonstrated that Sergio's lag is largely a 2D camera artefact. I am 56, self and CZcams coached. I've been mid-single hcp for as long as I can remember and I enjoy practicing. Since I started following you two years ago, i've come in to +2 and have had a lot of fun on the course. The way you present empirical data on what the pros do vs what we do makes it sensible to commit to a swing change, rather than just jumping from one random tip to another. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Hey guys. My name is Shawn. I'm a golf fitness instructor and have three certifications in golf biomechanics and understand the golf swing pretty well. I watch a lot of golf videos. Some are good and some are bad (really bad) and one is excellent and that would be you. You guys have increased my understanding of the golf swing ten fold. Thank You! I would love to see a video on how the wrists gently hinge and set on the way to the top of the backswing. I tend to hinge a little early which bring the club inside and off plane. I still get to a good position at the top but that early hinge and set creates tension in my hands and consequently my brain wants to use that tension to help create speed. How about a drill to get tension out of the hands on there way to the top. It doesn't seem like a big deal but I know it has consequences throughout the downswing and release. Thanks guys and I appreciate your fantastic videos! You are the best instruction online.
With my students.... to get them to feel width... I have them feeling that they are keeping their knuckles as far from their right ear as they can. They are able to feel when they collapse that width when they feel their knuckles get closer to their ear. Works like a charm for my students.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yes... when their eyes are on the ball.. they have no visual reference to where their hands are, so they need to feel where they are.. and keeping the knuckles away from the ear is simple to remember and easy to feel. ..and most importantly, is they can feel when they collapse that width... they can easily sense when the hands get closer to the ear, and are able to correct it very quickly.
Hey... did you get my message about a video suggestion? About the trail heel coming up before impact VS keeping the trail heel down until impact. I would like to see some GEARS analysis of that. cheers guys.
Genius. In terms of putting over a fundamental concept this is one of your best videos yet. I understood the theory about protracting/retracting shoulders but the first time it clicked was in seeing the overhead views of the pros. Ta muchly for this. One question/suggestion for a follow up would be to build on this and cover how the two arms need to work as one unit to keep the "real estate" in place. I think the lead arm can kill all the good work of the trail if it squeezes across the chest too soon
Brilliant video! I love the technical side of golf and you guys do it best. My golf coach will often send me clips of your videos after a lesson to further my knowledge of a particular aspect e.g. dropping the right arm at the start of the downswing and maintaining width. Keep up the great work.
Love this. You can get this feel using a foam role vertical on floor aligned with spine, legs at 90 deg, alternating scapular punches. It will also loosen the deltoids and rotator cuffs allowing the shoulders to glide over the joints and ligaments❤
Wow that was a great video. All the content was insightful, but the last part where Mike showed the drill regarding how incorporated the right shoulder “pull” was the best way to highlight what is the correct movement should be. I could tell instantly how I was doing it incorrectly by pulling my elbow back not my shoulder. Thanks again guys, your insights and understanding of the golf swing is superb👍.
Wow hit the range and got those shoulders moving independently. Unbelievable feel. Had so much time in the downswing to find the slot. My 7 iron was carrying 180 plus easily which is good for me. This really stopped me swaying and maintained I stayed a lot more centred. Great lesson. Thank you
Hey, you guys are great!! I am a chiropractor and can appreciate the biomechanics. I am a student of the game and getting back playing from shoulder and elbow surgery. I am looking forward to taking it 1 step at a time. As you guys know you must learn motor skills slowly to working more. Maybe you can suggest a routine without paying for the subscription. You guys are very articulate. Thanks again for the education. I would love to meet you guys 1 day. I’m in NYC.
As always extreme goodness. What I would ask is that you not just give drills but assign a minimum number of reps and number of times going through the drills. Such as : we see results happen with this when students do X number of these every other day, or every day, over this X period of times. Keeping in mind we will be adding drills from other videos. So no one drill can be too much or go on for too long. Also please always differentiate between what applies to driver, irons or both. Also just now things change slightly as you move up the irons and into hybrids/fairway woods. You guys are Awesome.
Hi, great inside as always. One question here. Could you demonstate the correct chest/shoulder angle whether it should turn more toward the sky or just more toward the ground on back swing? Thanks,
I recently discovered your CZcams site and applaud your use of technology to demonstrate the 3D movements of the body parts in the swing. I was wondering if you had any drills or suggestions on how to get the left hip to move backwards to obtain that quasi sit down position at the start of the downswing. thanks for any help. Is it because I’m not building up torque on the backswing so I have no tension to start it backwards? Is it related to a poor set up? Is it simply a skill that must be learned? Thanks again
Like usual, great video guys. Was just at the range today after taking about 1.5 years off of playing. Feel like this will definitely help, but my question is about how to reconcile the idea of trail shoulder retraction. If you protract the lead and retract the trail, wouldn't the hands have to move their respective position? How do you reconcile that in the swing?
It just seems like people should, at the very least, be able to get this one, extremely important golf swing fundamental correct. Stop breaking that elbow down yall! Only swing back as far as you are able to keep that arm straight, even if it's waist high, and then start the downswing.
Good job fellas. I wouldn’t mind seeing a video on the distance differences between hitting up on a golf ball vs down on a golf ball. Using driver. Got in a simulator the other day and saw that I was hitting down on the ball 6 degrees. Soooo, not great. I’m working on it. Thanks.
Another great video. Seems like a good time to ask this question. I've been working keeping my left shoulder down on the backswing, and it seems one thing that causes problems is when I try to reach back too much to create width. My shoulder comes more forward instead of down and my shoulders get flat on the backswing. However, I'm also trying not to keep my arms pinned to my chest. You showed an example of a guy with his shoulders sloped forwards some, which I thought was a counter to keeping your spin straight at setup. How should I think about my shoulders at setup and as the club goes back?
Thanks for all of the great instruction you guys provide to all of us! This instruction SEEMS to contradict another GEARS video (one of the first I watched of AMG, that has always stuck with me) that showed how much LESS the Pros turn their shoulders (and rather, drop their right hip deeper) as compared to the AM who made a lot of shoulder turn but didn't drop the right hip back very much. The GEARS compared the angles of shoulder turns with the pros being much less. How does that instruction correlate/reconcile with the instruction in this video for greater shoulder turn? Very curious, and wondering if I am not remembering the other video properly. I'll have to try to find it.
I think you might want to revisit the other video (and make sure it’s one of ours😊) because I can’t think of anything contradictory we show in this video compared to what we’ve shown in the past. Would be happy to take a look if you’re able to recall the title.
When should you focus on that extra turn/extension of the shoulders? Can this be done early in the takeaway? Great work bytheby. Thanks for sharing. Curt
Great question. The left pretty much starts extending from the start with the right retracting towards the end of the takeaway. There will be some variation dependent on length of swing.
I have gained 15-20 yards with my driver by doing ONE THING you recommended. Keeping that left arm within the frame of my body. No, this isnt what you are talking about in THIS drill, but I want to thank you guys for helping me get my swing "organized" and "efficient". I still only swing 90-91 mph with the driver, but my contact is so much BETTER than it has been in a long time.I am 63 years old, and yes, you can hit it farther guys....
Thanks a million for all the great videos, i have been watching many videos from your channel over the past 2 days, and my swing was so much better sooooooooo solid just now at the range ! all the hard works that you have done answered most of my doubts ! Hope i can fly over one day to experience the great gears that you guys have created ! regards from Malaysia.
Would be very interesting to see the GEARS avatar of one of your senior clients that we seniors could relate to. Not a senior who is double jointed like Sam Snead, and not a senior who has no flexibility, but an average 75 or 80 year old 16 to 18 handicapper who you might show in both before and after images, meaning after he had worked with you to develop greater shoulder turn. What would his angles be that many of us could hope to also achieve.
Great video guys! I noticed all 3 players start from an open upper body position. Can you comment on this and is this a starting position you recommend. Thanks.
Great catch! It’s very rare to see a good player not have slightly open shoulders at setup. It helps to not get the club inside early in the backswing👍
Does these tips still work if you're cack-handed playing golf. I find it a little bit harder to keep the arms in the correct place when moving to the back swing it fells like it's more strain on the chest.
I focus on my left shoulder get past my chin . Would this be a good thing and at same time keeping width? Also would it help at set up to have closed stance? Thanks for answer in advance
Isn't the degree of right elbow angle bend dictated by the player's length of their arms, the width of their shoulders, and how much left arm adduction they do?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I just grabbed my 7 iron and went outside to try it. I can hit it 300 out of bed and I’m tight. I’ll bet you guys could get me to 310-320. The concept of starting to turn your wrists at the top to square it and instead of at the bottom is what I’m working on now.
i remember tiger and butch working on really tucking the right arm in.....you guys are promoting a flying right elbow? I've tried this and it's very hard to find the bottom of the swing and feels weird when releasing....the tucked is nice, the right arm flys out through the shot in a touch of whip release.....that right arm straight method, my arms are locked up through the shot hand the head has a hard time passing the grip.....thoughts? maybe it's just two different types of people?...i mean are you looking for windows?
@@AthleticMotionGolf why don't you bums talk about the handle raising or lowering at impact? should you keep the handle low? when I stand the handle up, it's a push cut.....there needs to be a device that "slaps the handle position" proper lean AND PROPER lift angle.....meh meh? you geeeetttt it?
@@chadschulze7892 handle raising is an effect of poor downswing mechanics. You can’t just lower your handle. A lot of other stuff needs to happen. A high handle is least of your issues.
@@arjanpetersen yea this shit is tough...i will disagree only in the fact.... have you ever hit a "wipe"....you can just just pull the handle through too much....even with a perfect downswing. but yes the downswing is a possibility......
Warning: Please be aware that most senior players do not have the flexibility to try and restrict the trail arm from folding. I know because about ten years ago I tore the muscles of my trail arm biceps doing just that, However now I know that the golf swing is one percent action and 99 percent reaction. So all I do now is consciously swing with my UPPER TRAIL ARM to my personal limit to the end of my backswing; and then swing with my UPPER LEAD ARM to the full finish of my downswing ending in the repeatable classic finish I have sought for forty years now. I could go into a chapter or two why science backs up my swing; but it is not necessary so I won’t. If only I knew the simplicity of the golf swing before my trail bicep injury. Cheers
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I've been a fan since you demonstrated that Sergio's lag is largely a 2D camera artefact. I am 56, self and CZcams coached. I've been mid-single hcp for as long as I can remember and I enjoy practicing. Since I started following you two years ago, i've come in to +2 and have had a lot of fun on the course. The way you present empirical data on what the pros do vs what we do makes it sensible to commit to a swing change, rather than just jumping from one random tip to another. Thanks and keep up the good work.
Wow, that's an impressive accomplishment! Thanks so much for taking the time to share and for the kind words. We're glad you found us😊
Hey guys. My name is Shawn. I'm a golf fitness instructor and have three certifications in golf biomechanics and understand the golf swing pretty well. I watch a lot of golf videos. Some are good and some are bad (really bad) and one is excellent and that would be you. You guys have increased my understanding of the golf swing ten fold. Thank You!
I would love to see a video on how the wrists gently hinge and set on the way to the top of the backswing. I tend to hinge a little early which bring the club inside and off plane. I still get to a good position at the top but that early hinge and set creates tension in my hands and consequently my brain wants to use that tension to help create speed.
How about a drill to get tension out of the hands on there way to the top. It doesn't seem like a big deal but I know it has consequences throughout the downswing and release.
Thanks guys and I appreciate your fantastic videos! You are the best instruction online.
thanks so much!
With my students.... to get them to feel width... I have them feeling that they are keeping their knuckles as far from their right ear as they can. They are able to feel when they collapse that width when they feel their knuckles get closer to their ear. Works like a charm for my students.
Love that feel👏 sounds like a great wifely to play with on the course too!
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yes... when their eyes are on the ball.. they have no visual reference to where their hands are, so they need to feel where they are.. and keeping the knuckles away from the ear is simple to remember and easy to feel. ..and most importantly, is they can feel when they collapse that width... they can easily sense when the hands get closer to the ear, and are able to correct it very quickly.
Hey... did you get my message about a video suggestion? About the trail heel coming up before impact VS keeping the trail heel down until impact. I would like to see some GEARS analysis of that. cheers guys.
@@rowdyroddy519 yessir! In the meantime, up at impact is the answer 😊
Genius. In terms of putting over a fundamental concept this is one of your best videos yet.
I understood the theory about protracting/retracting shoulders but the first time it clicked was in seeing the overhead views of the pros.
Ta muchly for this.
One question/suggestion for a follow up would be to build on this and cover how the two arms need to work as one unit to keep the "real estate" in place. I think the lead arm can kill all the good work of the trail if it squeezes across the chest too soon
Thank you! You very correct about how the arms need to work in concert to preserve that prime real estate. Great follow up suggestion 👊
Brilliant video!
I love the technical side of golf and you guys do it best.
My golf coach will often send me clips of your videos after a lesson to further my knowledge of a particular aspect e.g. dropping the right arm at the start of the downswing and maintaining width.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks so much, we love sharing what we've learned. Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Love this. You can get this feel using a foam role vertical on floor aligned with spine, legs at 90 deg, alternating scapular punches. It will also loosen the deltoids and rotator cuffs allowing the shoulders to glide over the joints and ligaments❤
Wow that was a great video. All the content was insightful, but the last part where Mike showed the drill regarding how incorporated the right shoulder “pull” was the best way to highlight what is the correct movement should be. I could tell instantly how I was doing it incorrectly by pulling my elbow back not my shoulder.
Thanks again guys, your insights and understanding of the golf swing is superb👍.
Thanks so much for taking the time to watch, we really apprciate it! We're also glad it helped😊
Very good, with all the teaching info out there this was something regarding the shoulders I've never heard discussed, and so relevant 👍
We hope it helps!
Wow hit the range and got those shoulders moving independently. Unbelievable feel. Had so much time in the downswing to find the slot. My 7 iron was carrying 180 plus easily which is good for me. This really stopped me swaying and maintained I stayed a lot more centred. Great lesson. Thank you
Hey, you guys are great!! I am a chiropractor and can appreciate the biomechanics. I am a student of the game and getting back playing from shoulder and elbow surgery. I am looking forward to taking it 1 step at a time. As you guys know you must learn motor skills slowly to working more. Maybe you can suggest a routine without paying for the subscription. You guys are very articulate. Thanks again for the education. I would love to meet you guys 1 day. I’m in NYC.
Always enjoy these videos. The graphics of what goes on in a golf swing are amazing! Thanks guys!
Thank you for taking the time to watch🙏🏻💯
As always extreme goodness.
What I would ask is that you not just give drills but assign a minimum number of reps and number of times going through the drills.
Such as : we see results happen with this when students do X number of these every other day, or every day, over this X period of times.
Keeping in mind we will be adding drills from other videos. So no one drill can be too much or go on for too long.
Also please always differentiate between what applies to driver, irons or both. Also just now things change slightly as you move up the irons and into hybrids/fairway woods.
You guys are Awesome.
Great job today boys... keep up the good work...
Thanks brother!
Hi, great inside as always. One question here. Could you demonstate the correct chest/shoulder angle whether it should turn more toward the sky or just more toward the ground on back swing? Thanks,
I love the new perspective of viewing the swing plane from 90°, very cool idea
It’s a great way to see a lot of the body, arms and club. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
I recently discovered your CZcams site and applaud your use of technology to demonstrate the 3D movements of the body parts in the swing. I was wondering if you had any drills or suggestions on how to get the left hip to move backwards to obtain that quasi sit down position at the start of the downswing. thanks for any help. Is it because I’m not building up torque on the backswing so I have no tension to start it backwards? Is it related to a poor set up? Is it simply a skill that must be learned? Thanks again
As a new player this information is invaluable! Thank you so much! I love the technical breakdown. Helps me know exactly what to do.
Like usual, great video guys. Was just at the range today after taking about 1.5 years off of playing. Feel like this will definitely help, but my question is about how to reconcile the idea of trail shoulder retraction. If you protract the lead and retract the trail, wouldn't the hands have to move their respective position? How do you reconcile that in the swing?
Not at all. Have you gotten to check out our recent Pros vs Ams on this topic?
@@AthleticMotionGolf Link plz sirs?
The best video ever!
You guys have the best everything and help so much 😊
Thank you
No problem !
It just seems like people should, at the very least, be able to get this one, extremely important golf swing fundamental correct. Stop breaking that elbow down yall! Only swing back as far as you are able to keep that arm straight, even if it's waist high, and then start the downswing.
You want a job teaching? 🤓 very well said👊
Good job fellas. I wouldn’t mind seeing a video on the distance differences between hitting up on a golf ball vs down on a golf ball. Using driver. Got in a simulator the other day and saw that I was hitting down on the ball 6 degrees. Soooo, not great. I’m working on it. Thanks.
Check out the Trackman and Flightscope optimizers. You’re giving up quite a few yards from being 6 down.
Another great video. Seems like a good time to ask this question. I've been working keeping my left shoulder down on the backswing, and it seems one thing that causes problems is when I try to reach back too much to create width. My shoulder comes more forward instead of down and my shoulders get flat on the backswing. However, I'm also trying not to keep my arms pinned to my chest. You showed an example of a guy with his shoulders sloped forwards some, which I thought was a counter to keeping your spin straight at setup. How should I think about my shoulders at setup and as the club goes back?
Thanks for all of the great instruction you guys provide to all of us!
This instruction SEEMS to contradict another GEARS video (one of the first I watched of AMG, that has always stuck with me) that showed how much LESS the Pros turn their shoulders (and rather, drop their right hip deeper) as compared to the AM who made a lot of shoulder turn but didn't drop the right hip back very much. The GEARS compared the angles of shoulder turns with the pros being much less.
How does that instruction correlate/reconcile with the instruction in this video for greater shoulder turn?
Very curious, and wondering if I am not remembering the other video properly. I'll have to try to find it.
I think you might want to revisit the other video (and make sure it’s one of ours😊) because I can’t think of anything contradictory we show in this video compared to what we’ve shown in the past. Would be happy to take a look if you’re able to recall the title.
A pro doesn’t have less shoulder turn. They generally have less hip turn on the way back.
When should you focus on that extra turn/extension of the shoulders? Can this be done early in the takeaway? Great work bytheby. Thanks for sharing. Curt
Great question. The left pretty much starts extending from the start with the right retracting towards the end of the takeaway. There will be some variation dependent on length of swing.
I have gained 15-20 yards with my driver by doing ONE THING you recommended. Keeping that left arm within the frame of my body. No, this isnt what you are talking about in THIS drill, but I want to thank you guys for helping me get my swing "organized" and "efficient". I still only swing 90-91 mph with the driver, but my contact is so much BETTER than it has been in a long time.I am 63 years old, and yes, you can hit it farther guys....
love it!
Just awesome fellas!
Thank you !!!!
Thanks a million for all the great videos, i have been watching many videos from your channel over the past 2 days, and my swing was so much better sooooooooo solid just now at the range ! all the hard works that you have done answered most of my doubts ! Hope i can fly over one day to experience the great gears that you guys have created ! regards from Malaysia.
great!!!
Would be very interesting to see the GEARS avatar of one of your senior clients that we seniors could relate to. Not a senior who is double jointed like Sam Snead, and not a senior who has no flexibility, but an average 75 or 80 year old 16 to 18 handicapper who you might show in both before and after images, meaning after he had worked with you to develop greater shoulder turn. What would his angles be that many of us could hope to also achieve.
That was one of the first gears videos we did👍
Great video and content, your explanations are crystal clear Thanks for sharing your expertise 👍👍
Can you do a segment on hitting ball first ground after
Great stuff!
thanks!
Great video guys! I noticed all 3 players start from an open upper body position. Can you comment on this and is this a starting position you recommend. Thanks.
Great catch! It’s very rare to see a good player not have slightly open shoulders at setup. It helps to not get the club inside early in the backswing👍
Carl Lohren's one move....
How tight should our scaps be when we pinch the back scap back? Should they be loose as possible?
I’d love to see Kyle Berkshire’s play swing and LD swing in your software!
Very good advice
Thanks for checking it out🙏🏻
Does these tips still work if you're cack-handed playing golf. I find it a little bit harder to keep the arms in the correct place when moving to the back swing it fells like it's more strain on the chest.
Do you guys have any videos on “turning the hands over”?
we did a "release " video on youtube a month back or so
I focus on my left shoulder get past my chin . Would this be a good thing and at same time keeping width? Also would it help at set up to have closed stance? Thanks for answer in advance
The closed stance can have a few other drawbacks for some, but the shoulder under the chin is a good visual 👍
The swing thought that helps me keep my width is to remember to always keep my hands as far from my head as possible.
The scapular protraction/retraction seems like a great timing trigger for the transition sequence?
Please for Mike that he found his calling. Keep it up Frankenstein!
We all have our gifts 😂🧟♂️
@@AthleticMotionGolf In all earnest you guys kick ass. Your output is just gold.
@@briantierney4703 we really appreciate that! Thank you for watching 🙏🏻💯
Hip movement up and down. Hi would you please make a video filmed from the front or rear, showing the leg vertical force. Thank you.
sure we will work on it!
Isn't the degree of right elbow angle bend dictated by the player's length of their arms, the width of their shoulders, and how much left arm adduction they do?
2nd guy Rahmbo. 3rd guy JT?
I was thinking Rory for #3 but...?
Think DJ possibly, he coils like a spring
How many are saying Wow.
I wonder how far I turn?
Thanks guys.
What’s your best guess? 🤓
@@AthleticMotionGolf I just grabbed my 7 iron and went outside to try it. I can hit it 300 out of bed and I’m tight.
I’ll bet you guys could get me to 310-320. The concept of starting to turn your wrists at the top to square it and instead of at the bottom is what I’m working on now.
I wasn’t past my back for sure.
You guys are 😎
i remember tiger and butch working on really tucking the right arm in.....you guys are promoting a flying right elbow? I've tried this and it's very hard to find the bottom of the swing and feels weird when releasing....the tucked is nice, the right arm flys out through the shot in a touch of whip release.....that right arm straight method, my arms are locked up through the shot hand the head has a hard time passing the grip.....thoughts? maybe it's just two different types of people?...i mean are you looking for windows?
We ALWAYS teach in windows, and there's a lot of good in between tucked and flying 👊🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf why don't you bums talk about the handle raising or lowering at impact? should you keep the handle low? when I stand the handle up, it's a push cut.....there needs to be a device that "slaps the handle position" proper lean AND PROPER lift angle.....meh meh? you geeeetttt it?
@@chadschulze7892 handle raising is an effect of poor downswing mechanics. You can’t just lower your handle. A lot of other stuff needs to happen. A high handle is least of your issues.
@@arjanpetersen yea this shit is tough...i will disagree only in the fact.... have you ever hit a "wipe"....you can just just pull the handle through too much....even with a perfect downswing. but yes the downswing is a possibility......
I want one of those hats
The short swing looked like Rahm or Finau and the longer one looked like Cameron Champ.
Great
thank you!
Dang, I just got a mini cramp in my right-side ribcage...lol
ouchie
Last golfer had to be Dustin Johnson.
Yikes! I thought gears had broken on that third pro!! Looked painful..
Looks like a gears exorcism ☠️😆
@@AthleticMotionGolf the power of Tiger compels you!
Warning: Please be aware that most senior players do not have the flexibility to try and restrict the trail arm from folding. I know because about ten years ago I tore the muscles of my trail arm biceps doing just that,
However now I know that the golf swing is one percent action and 99 percent reaction. So all I do now is consciously swing with my UPPER TRAIL ARM to my personal limit to the end of my backswing; and then swing with my UPPER LEAD ARM to the full finish of my downswing ending in the repeatable classic finish I have sought for forty years now.
I could go into a chapter or two why science backs up my swing; but it is not necessary so I won’t. If only I knew the simplicity of the golf swing before my trail bicep injury. Cheers
First guy was forsure freddie couples
For sure wasn’t Freddie😊
@@AthleticMotionGolf damnit! Lol
@@AthleticMotionGolf I'm guessing Stricker and 3rd JD
7:47 how is his right shoulder retracted tho? Its to the left of the green line
What's the point of having Shawn if you're asking him and answering too..
hahah we keep Shaun around just to take up space :)
The videos all seem like men - any females in the mix? Can you differentiate any items for the female physique and swing?