I'm sort of surprised Invincible didn't get brought up even in the background for a couple seconds. It seems like such a textbook case of tone armor being broken.
I get what Red is getting at with Scooby-Doo and she is right for the most part but whenever dark tones is discussed and Scooby-Doo shows up I think of Mystery Incorporated which had multiple deaths from Dynamite Angel blowing up in a submarine explosion to Velma’s girlfriend Marcie being shot to death. They do fix it via time travel and it was offscreen but still! Then again Red also used the crossover episode with Supernatural in this Trope Talk which had on screen dismembered corpses so it’s weird that I didn’t go to that example...
I personally love Cerebus Syndrome. It seems like a cheap way to make things edgy but when done right it can make an already beautiful story something much deeper. One great example of Cerebus Syndrome I have seen lately is the manga Land of the Lustrous. While the story doesn’t shy away from the threat of the setting, no one would’ve expected our happy protagonist to turn into... well... look up the Pray scene on Google images and you’ll get an idea of how much our hero changes. 😂
Okay you may think the lady surviving a fall like that is amazing (which it is) but I personally think of the guy who had gunpowder blow up in his face with a long metal rod blasting straight through his skull and he lived. The financial aftermath and subsequent alcoholism however is a very different story.
Sorry for the large amount of comments but Red is just unlocking so many memories for me. When Red brought up the term Sacrificial Lion my mind immediately went to Digimon. For Season 1, 3 and 5 whenever Leomon died it always indicated a shift in tone (especially Season 3 which directly contributes to a young girl having a mental breakdown) since Leomon is shown to be a protector you can rely on. The problem is they kill Leomon almost every season and it got to the point of being a meme in the fanbase.
I'd argue Gravity Falls doesn't count for Cerberus because from the *start* part of it's tone was how it mixed humor with serious bits, including how much black humor was snuck past the censors. Yeah it has some episodes that are more serious then others, and some that are more silly, but that has been the vibe overall compared to say the light episodic tone of early Steven Universe compared to how it shifted when the plot went more serial.
There’s a mistake in her video. In One Piece, Alvida killed a crew member with her iron mace because she found dust on the railing of the ship. Many of the early One Piece villains and others in future arcs would kill a crew member to show their ruthlessness, tyranny or sociopathic nature. When they jumped to anime, they toned it down by having funny cartoon sound effects when someone would get hit by the mace (and would never die) or they cut out that death altogether. When the live-action adaptation happened, they reincorporated the kills and more to show how much more realistic it would be, despite its cartoony nature.
I'm sort of surprised Invincible didn't get brought up even in the background for a couple seconds. It seems like such a textbook case of tone armor being broken.
I get what Red is getting at with Scooby-Doo and she is right for the most part but whenever dark tones is discussed and Scooby-Doo shows up I think of Mystery Incorporated which had multiple deaths from Dynamite Angel blowing up in a submarine explosion to Velma’s girlfriend Marcie being shot to death. They do fix it via time travel and it was offscreen but still! Then again Red also used the crossover episode with Supernatural in this Trope Talk which had on screen dismembered corpses so it’s weird that I didn’t go to that example...
A really cool explanation! I would've never thought about this but she sums it up really well. Well played.
Exactly the reason I love OSP!
I personally love Cerebus Syndrome. It seems like a cheap way to make things edgy but when done right it can make an already beautiful story something much deeper. One great example of Cerebus Syndrome I have seen lately is the manga Land of the Lustrous. While the story doesn’t shy away from the threat of the setting, no one would’ve expected our happy protagonist to turn into... well... look up the Pray scene on Google images and you’ll get an idea of how much our hero changes. 😂
Okay you may think the lady surviving a fall like that is amazing (which it is) but I personally think of the guy who had gunpowder blow up in his face with a long metal rod blasting straight through his skull and he lived. The financial aftermath and subsequent alcoholism however is a very different story.
Sorry for the large amount of comments but Red is just unlocking so many memories for me. When Red brought up the term Sacrificial Lion my mind immediately went to Digimon. For Season 1, 3 and 5 whenever Leomon died it always indicated a shift in tone (especially Season 3 which directly contributes to a young girl having a mental breakdown) since Leomon is shown to be a protector you can rely on. The problem is they kill Leomon almost every season and it got to the point of being a meme in the fanbase.
True, i think the only season were a leomon dosn't die are that appmon thing and maybe ghost gane
The term you were reaching for is CONSERVATION of Ninjitsu...
Thank you
I'd argue Gravity Falls doesn't count for Cerberus because from the *start* part of it's tone was how it mixed humor with serious bits, including how much black humor was snuck past the censors. Yeah it has some episodes that are more serious then others, and some that are more silly, but that has been the vibe overall compared to say the light episodic tone of early Steven Universe compared to how it shifted when the plot went more serial.
Great video! :))
Thanks man!!
9:22 that's exactly what you complained abaut her critisicing on the Grim dark video despite it being the definition of Grimm dark XD
There’s a mistake in her video. In One Piece, Alvida killed a crew member with her iron mace because she found dust on the railing of the ship. Many of the early One Piece villains and others in future arcs would kill a crew member to show their ruthlessness, tyranny or sociopathic nature. When they jumped to anime, they toned it down by having funny cartoon sound effects when someone would get hit by the mace (and would never die) or they cut out that death altogether. When the live-action adaptation happened, they reincorporated the kills and more to show how much more realistic it would be, despite its cartoony nature.