That's how I've done every valley on every roof I've ever done. I call it a no-cut valley. I've never had a leak or a roof blow off yet. But I also don't shoot my nails into the basement.
@@z9944xI am not a roofer. I have looked for that information and can’t find it. I’m doing a roof on small shed. How much or should nails come out the other side? On shingles and 30 min paper on 1/2 plywood what nail do u use
A "California valley " is not wrong depending on the climate you live in. Water is shed off of a roof faster using a W style metal valley. Water is slowed down while on the granular surface of shingles. If you've watched how a flash flood backs up, its similar to that. We had a leak on an 8/12" pitched roof because of a cupped deck board that was slowing down the water and found a nail directly above it. We used to do this California valley here in MN for years, but have learned that the W is better with our weather. I would recommend putting strips of ice & water shield along the edges of the valley before installing shingles. Always need to watch the pressure so that you dont blow through nailing strips on shingles to ensure you dont have csll backs for blow off or sliding shingles. My 2 cents...
Putting the left lower corner of each full-length shingle in the valley leads to an obvious repeating pattern on the roof in that section which won't look so good from below. The stepped offsets are just not enough to break up that pattern.
This is how not to roof. He's blowing the nails through the shingles. They will slide off in less than 4 years and guaranteed to leak as soon as the shingles start to dry out around the nails in about 2-3 years. He's wasting shingles by not cutting them to fit, costing more, and creating more work by cutting them again, dragging the job out. Thx to guys like you, i'm a superstar roofer.
@@Shonuff42080 I'm a carpenter and I know he's got no hold on those shingles. I think I saw one nail that wasnt blown through the shingle.Wasting his time and leaving the homeowner with a future headache. He obviously knows more about layout and nail pattern placement than the guy in the video so what's the point of defending the guy in the video?
@@Shonuff42080 his pressure is too high all of his nails fired right through the shingles. Doesn't matter if his nail placement is fine if the nails are down in the kitchen
My favorite way to shingle a valley. We call it a saw-tooth valley. Great work man, love how there’s appropriate space from your first and second nail for the seams.
i would never be satisfied after doing a roof with all of the nails basically driving right through all the shingles, such an easy fix either turn the air down or fix your setting on the gun.
I have been roofing for 25 years. This style of valley is not wrong. I use it and have never had a leak a good roofer never cuts in a valley you can cut through the shingle and create a leak. I also use moisture guard in my valley as well before shingling it. Now what I see this guy doing wrong is too much air pressure and bad placement of nails. The Nails should be in the nail marking lines or the warranty is null and void.
Not bad. I really can't understand why he would cut the piece at 1:00 into video, he gonna have to cut it later why not cut once. Pretty clean though let me finish watching and see if it qualify for a like. I gave I a like, although I would like to see extra nails along the edge for high winds. That being said I'd give him a job and let him do his thing lol.
I use that vally as well as closed and open vally cut and weaved but it's all about the dry in best is wip 300 high temp that shit fuses into the plywood
That valley works but with a good wind seen it not work .ill use it if its cold and hard to weive them but my trade mark old fashioned woven valley and don't matter roof pitch flat will get more because it takes more to reach too on flat all by eye. That won't blow off
Ok, lots of roofers here. I have been out of the game for a while. Can I get opinions from you roofers on spray on insulation to the underside of the roof deck. No air space, right to the underside of the plywood. Longterm results you have found. Thank you.
The little plastick Pieces on shingles Are supposed to be removed to allow the tar on them to adhere to the shingle above when Temp heats up. They prevent wind from lifting them off, roof damage.
No they are not. They are there to prevent shingles from sticking together while in the packaging. They are packed top to bottom(reversed) every other set. You do not need to remove them...
espero no me odies por mi comentario honesto mi amigo . Deverias bajarle un poco la pression al compressor comenzaste de la izquierda , y creo que es incorrecto por que tu clavas con la derecha , la regla dice que si eres clavador derecho debes de comenzar del lado isquierdo primero . me refiero a que deberias istalar el valley de la isquierda primero y despues el de la derecha, pero en fin , respeto tu trabajo y tu experiencia , solo es mi opinion . De la forma en que lo hiciste te quedaran una o mas lineas cortas y tardaras mas en sacar medidas para aliniarte con el otro lado del valley . en general , eres buen installador solo bajale un poco la presion a tu compresor y un poco a la pistola. gracias . Eric.
Roofing Solutions By Eric Garcia el velley siempre es primero el de menos inclinación sea derecho oh izquierdo no puedes poner primero el que corre más agua
estos que comentan que el trabajo esta mal echo, solo saben de teoria pero de practica no saben nada, no tiene nada que ver si la tapa este mas chica, si la tapa grande es menos inclinada de ahi se tiene que empesar
Why not take your pieces into the valley and cut them to match the starter. It looks one hell of a lot nicer. Before some know it all tells me I’m an idiot I work for a company that’s been doing it the way I describe for a decade and never had a valley problem. This is the lazy way to do it
Slacking on a cut valley by running a bleader up the valley doesn't do anything but make it noticeable in the valleys. Its passable but is it the best way? He'll no . cut valley is the way to go.
I hate this "speed valley" trend looks like complete crap. Guys are too lazy to do it right with a pair of shingle snips. It's called attention to detail. It cheapens the roofing industry. I can't even compete with guys in my area on shingles anymore because they are so much cheaper on price hacking roofs like this. I stick to standing seam and slate nowadays.
I have repaired more cut valleys then any other type of Valley this type of Valley when done right can be the best type of valley there are no nails two feet away from the valley snow can sit in there and blow up water and no leaks I agree that this guy has his pressure set too high and is going to have blow through but when done right this is a good Valley
Sí muy buena sin garantía y se gotea ese lleva lámina aquí no se usa eso es ya viejo y anticuado de baja calidad pero bueno que le vamos a ser por esos vatos tengo mucho trabajo
Hope you use shingles adhesive under those shingles you lay straight up that at valley font want going under those shingles don't rely on that them tar strips on the back shingle only do so much laminated have bums in them shingles goes up and down dosnt completely bond to valley dirt get in there I do under shingle up the valley then when I done right down all edge that's exposed
Jefe la línea e oido decir que no se pone al centro yo quiero saver para cual lado se mueve o no ay problema si queda enmedlo espero tenga chanza de contestar gracias
1500 people have no idea how bad this looks and that’s the issue with our industry. Blow through, can’t see it from my house.... terrible, absolute disgrace
It's a great way to do it, when done correctly there is no way of a leak. It looks good and is faster then a traditional valley and is less likely to leak
@@jasonpartlow8764 excatly! Not many know to cut a 45 on top right corner anyway but if you do you're right it's only another step you don't have to do with this method
Cuando haremos ese trabajo en nuestros paises de origen.dios nos libere de este yugo.yo tengo 40 poniendo lap top sading.y no se asta cuando.ayudanos señor dios
Jamie Kinser its a no cut valley, saves time, saves accodentally cutting a whole when cutting your valley. It’s efficient and fast does not leak my company runs this same valley and have been in business for 18 years own one of the biggest roofing companies in the state of Ohio. 28 years ago you didn’t even have dimensional shingles so I know you’re way out of the loop old man. Step back it’s a new era.
Why bother with shingles? Just put the plywood on the frame, get some tar and a mop. Faster, cheaper, and no need to worry about shingles flying off the roof. Plus if you do get a leak, no worries. Just add more tar. Why waste you time with this? We have the technology. Lol
I've done this type of valley recently and I got to say I really like how it looks. I think it's better then a cut valley. I think it's a better sealed valley. Just my opinion tho
Yeah, great demonstration that ends when the trouble begins. Shingle short of edge and it appears to be thin. Terrible place to end the demonstration.🧐😖thumbs down, I’m afraid.
First of all , "California valley" is acceptable by most manufacturers now adays ... so stop saying it's wrong Nails are blowing thru and your using staples on synthetic underlayment (BIG NO NO ) OTHER THAN THAT ... its roofing !!!! It's already horrible as it is ...no need for bunch of" know-it-all "trying to tell him what to do... ROOF ON !!!!!
Esa clase de valley a mi en lo personal no lo pondria pues hace joroba y cuando aga el escalon El agua va a regresarse en la joroba a lo mejor no si hace el escalon grande
Pues este hombre se está ganando la vida y nadie nace sabiendo por lo visto todos saben mejor que el pero en ves de criticarlo mejor enseñenlo al hermano
This is what you get when Chico has a resume from "down under". So much going on here and NONE of it right. Poor home owners probably have nails in their cocktails.
Na. The problem is. If he was from “down under” the blood is now rushing from his head to his feet. On the plus side the he is now right side up. But his brain ain’t working. Like some mericans. Some of them still believe they live in the south? How ever if he’s from straya. He is more southern then them. The other thing is in Straya we have resorted to tile roofing methods. I still don’t know how they don’t just slide off. Seeing as we are upside down. But we have figured it out. No nails required.
acmecompany over 20 years of doing this no problem. Moved from cali to indi. Still perfect fast installs. All these indi slow pokes didnt believe us till we closed them out.
Lmao please dont tell me you work for acme you dildos couldn't deliver an order correct so get that part right before you talk about someone else's roof
Does the manufacturer allow for speed valley,I'm trying it on my job it's a really steep pitch I don't know if I trust it on lower pitch does anyone ever have problems with it
That's how I've done every valley on every roof I've ever done. I call it a no-cut valley. I've never had a leak or a roof blow off yet. But I also don't shoot my nails into the basement.
Can you do this with three tab shingles?
@@scottmcbride2237 no
This is the only way I've ever learned.
We call it speed valley
We used to cut our valleys untill they put the seal strip on the bottom of the shingle. Then switch ed to the no cut .
Been roofing for 30+ years, and from what I've watched, you are a true roofer!!!! Excellent work!!
30+ years and you did not noticed that every nails are too deep ???😬
@@z9944xI am not a roofer. I have looked for that information and can’t find it. I’m doing a roof on small shed. How much or should nails come out the other side? On shingles and 30 min paper on 1/2 plywood what nail do u use
@@MA-vm6jl 1 1/4 nails..
Butyou ajust the dept on your nailer or air compressor
Blowing through every shingle it’s roofers like this that keep the real roofers going
Damn right
Thanks to "roofers" like him i have a job thanks keep overdriving the nails
This came with over 30 years experience
First guy i see taking his time to do it right, unlike fast shinglers that just dont give a F....
😂😂
Came here to learn of roofing. The comments helped me more than the video!
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A "California valley " is not wrong depending on the climate you live in. Water is shed off of a roof faster using a W style metal valley. Water is slowed down while on the granular surface of shingles. If you've watched how a flash flood backs up, its similar to that. We had a leak on an 8/12" pitched roof because of a cupped deck board that was slowing down the water and found a nail directly above it. We used to do this California valley here in MN for years, but have learned that the W is better with our weather. I would recommend putting strips of ice & water shield along the edges of the valley before installing shingles.
Always need to watch the pressure so that you dont blow through nailing strips on shingles to ensure you dont have csll backs for blow off or sliding shingles. My 2 cents...
Wet patch can be used on irregular pressure nails and a standard nail driven within 2 inches
W metal is only for tile roofs.
@@williamschlosser77 not here, everyone uses metal W valley on asphalt shingles
Learn something new everyday. Thank you.
... красиво и размеренно работает-профессионал! Бог, в помощь!
Con esas pinches ganas pareja no la chingue...el roofing es rapido... no se duerma
Muy buen trabajo colega Saludos desde Kansas tbn hago lo mismo y se que no es un trabajo fácil pero si bien pagado
At least all the people are not blind who watched this! Every single nail went right thru the shingles!
Putting the left lower corner of each full-length shingle in the valley leads to an obvious repeating pattern on the roof in that section which won't look so good from below. The stepped offsets are just not enough to break up that pattern.
Turn the pressure up I do not think you are blowing completely through
This is how not to roof.
He's blowing the nails through the shingles. They will slide off in less than 4 years and guaranteed to leak as soon as the shingles start to dry out around the nails in about 2-3 years.
He's wasting shingles by not cutting them to fit, costing more, and creating more work by cutting them again, dragging the job out.
Thx to guys like you, i'm a superstar roofer.
Were your videos I want to see a true roofer ,that's like saying the smartest retard on the short bus lmao
@@Shonuff42080 I'm a carpenter and I know he's got no hold on those shingles. I think I saw one nail that wasnt blown through the shingle.Wasting his time and leaving the homeowner with a future headache. He obviously knows more about layout and nail pattern placement than the guy in the video so what's the point of defending the guy in the video?
@@bolerdweller number on his nail placement is fine are you talking about the valley shingle you dont nail in the valley
@@Shonuff42080 his pressure is too high all of his nails fired right through the shingles. Doesn't matter if his nail placement is fine if the nails are down in the kitchen
Wow you should be consider being a super hero with that god like sight or you can just tell by the sound ,give me a break guy
Great job ❤️👍
El ranchero
Buena construcción
Casas
My favorite way to shingle a valley. We call it a saw-tooth valley. Great work man, love how there’s appropriate space from your first and second nail for the seams.
Pobre amigo. Se ve que esta aprendiendo...bueno, por ahi se empieza, mientras haga un bien trabajo...
Luis M. S.O q hondas..man..tu eres maistro
Luis M. S.O pero esta aprendiendo muy bien
bien hecho es buena tu intención de mostrar tus conocimientos
Porfin uno que trabaja bien . no muy rapido.
i would never be satisfied after doing a roof with all of the nails basically driving right through all the shingles, such an easy fix either turn the air down or fix your setting on the gun.
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Get two nails on that outside edge man hi winds!! Always thru the fascia double tap
I have been roofing for 25 years. This style of valley is not wrong. I use it and have never had a leak a good roofer never cuts in a valley you can cut through the shingle and create a leak. I also use moisture guard in my valley as well before shingling it. Now what I see this guy doing wrong is too much air pressure and bad placement of nails. The Nails should be in the nail marking lines or the warranty is null and void.
This type of valley is not wrong, whats wrong is nails are wayyy to deep !
I tried this I turned out beautiful I love the look
Not bad. I really can't understand why he would cut the piece at 1:00 into video, he gonna have to cut it later why not cut once. Pretty clean though let me finish watching and see if it qualify for a like.
I gave I a like, although I would like to see extra nails along the edge for high winds. That being said I'd give him a job and let him do his thing lol.
Nice job he knows what he's doing
Agara el filo de atras y cortas solo ina bes y te queda. Compa ese consejo tedoy xq asi trabajas doble
Been doing this in florida for 10 years.....
Excelente, acho essa telha linda!!!
С правой стороны ендовы получается трехслойный пирог, с левой один слой кровли‼️очень спорное решение.
I'm sure it's watertight, but it looks half-assed to me.
Esta midiendo para salir derecho con el otro lado para no dejar una linia de tres o cuatro pulgadas
I use that vally as well as closed and open vally cut and weaved but it's all about the dry in best is wip 300 high temp that shit fuses into the plywood
That valley works but with a good wind seen it not work .ill use it if its cold and hard to weive them but my trade mark old fashioned woven valley and don't matter roof pitch flat will get more because it takes more to reach too on flat all by eye. That won't blow off
Buen video, gracias.
Ok, lots of roofers here. I have been out of the game for a while. Can I get opinions from you roofers on spray on insulation to the underside of the roof deck. No air space, right to the underside of the plywood. Longterm results you have found. Thank you.
The little plastick
Pieces on shingles
Are supposed to be removed to allow the tar on them to adhere to the shingle above when
Temp heats up.
They prevent wind from lifting them off, roof damage.
No they are not. They are there to prevent shingles from sticking together while in the packaging. They are packed top to bottom(reversed) every other set. You do not need to remove them...
32 seconds and already a leak the water will flow across the top of that shingle than roll under the valley I have re-done countless close cut valleys
Yep pull out the measuring tape 😂 make sure it’s straight pheeeeewwweeee
buenas construcciones
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espero no me odies por mi comentario honesto mi amigo .
Deverias bajarle un poco la pression al compressor
comenzaste de la izquierda , y creo que es incorrecto por que tu clavas con la derecha , la regla dice que si eres clavador derecho debes de comenzar del lado isquierdo primero .
me refiero a que deberias istalar el valley de la isquierda primero y despues el de la derecha, pero en fin , respeto tu trabajo y tu experiencia , solo es mi opinion .
De la forma en que lo hiciste te quedaran una o mas lineas cortas y tardaras mas en sacar medidas para aliniarte con el otro lado del valley .
en general , eres buen installador solo bajale un poco la presion a tu compresor y un poco a la pistola.
gracias .
Eric.
Roofing Solutions By Eric Garcia el velley siempre es primero el de menos inclinación sea derecho oh izquierdo no puedes poner primero el que corre más agua
Yo por eso pongo lámina en vez de a ser lo mismo
Jose Ruiz usted si save Compa si es Roofero
estos que comentan que el trabajo esta mal echo, solo saben de teoria pero de practica no saben nada, no tiene nada que ver si la tapa este mas chica, si la tapa grande es menos inclinada de ahi se tiene que empesar
Las reglas se isieron para romperse 😎
En los primeros shingles, pone los clavos muy arriba, deberían de colocarse en medio... creo yo!
凄いですね。
Been roofing in northern new england for a long time. This does not work. Will work till the check clears and they're gone
Wont work in snow and freezing hahahah erie pa we know shit shovel roofing. Lol . Too many expert roofers out there ehh hahah .
Saludos!
To many experts opinions 🤣😁
muy buen trabajo
Think about installing a wood roof would you ever not cut to valley pieces
you sure are nailing pretty high up on the shingles...
Why not take your pieces into the valley and cut them to match the starter. It looks one hell of a lot nicer. Before some know it all tells me I’m an idiot I work for a company that’s been doing it the way I describe for a decade and never had a valley problem. This is the lazy way to do it
Slacking on a cut valley by running a bleader up the valley doesn't do anything but make it noticeable in the valleys. Its passable but is it the best way? He'll no . cut valley is the way to go.
100% agree. It's more noticeable like this... looks odd, like there are too many layers or something.
I hate this "speed valley" trend looks like complete crap. Guys are too lazy to do it right with a pair of shingle snips. It's called attention to detail. It cheapens the roofing industry. I can't even compete with guys in my area on shingles anymore because they are so much cheaper on price hacking roofs like this. I stick to standing seam and slate nowadays.
I have repaired more cut valleys then any other type of Valley this type of Valley when done right can be the best type of valley there are no nails two feet away from the valley snow can sit in there and blow up water and no leaks I agree that this guy has his pressure set too high and is going to have blow through but when done right this is a good Valley
u defeated the purpose of ur rake edge using those starter shingles
Sí muy buena sin garantía y se gotea ese lleva lámina aquí no se usa eso es ya viejo y anticuado de baja calidad pero bueno que le vamos a ser por esos vatos tengo mucho trabajo
Do not use this technique.
It's not allowed by many local building codes.
A este amigo hay que yevarle el 20 % de mas de material porque muy pasados los valley
I don't know looks like you need to turn down the air so doesn't shoot through the single
Hard 2 when its 140 on the roof
Hope you use shingles adhesive under those shingles you lay straight up that at valley font want going under those shingles don't rely on that them tar strips on the back shingle only do so much laminated have bums in them shingles goes up and down dosnt completely bond to valley dirt get in there I do under shingle up the valley then when I done right down all edge that's exposed
Hmmm... That's new to me!
Probably not gonna last a year the homeowner gonna call a roof repairman.
That's called a no cut in West Virginia lol
Jefe la línea e oido decir que no se pone al centro yo quiero saver para cual lado se mueve o no ay problema si queda enmedlo espero tenga chanza de contestar gracias
FFS,PUT IT ON 1 or 2,UR OVERDRIVING THIS BRUH.THEY GON BLOW OFF IN COUPLE YEARS.
1500 people have no idea how bad this looks and that’s the issue with our industry. Blow through, can’t see it from my house.... terrible, absolute disgrace
Can u explain
That's not cali valley. That's a Texas t. Cali valley is one through and one over cut at valley angle
Never saw this type of valley Ever.. Would like to see finished job
What's the purpose of doing this??
It is a hurricane resistant valley
It's a great way to do it, when done correctly there is no way of a leak. It looks good and is faster then a traditional valley and is less likely to leak
Kyle King also there’s no cutting angles
@@jasonpartlow8764 excatly! Not many know to cut a 45 on top right corner anyway but if you do you're right it's only another step you don't have to do with this method
Cuando haremos ese trabajo en nuestros paises de origen.dios nos libere de este yugo.yo tengo 40 poniendo lap top sading.y no se asta cuando.ayudanos señor dios
I use most of time same type of valley in rainy Oregon. my question is is this valley better than closed cut valey?
No,but keeps labor cost down
It's all about the dry in
I've been a roofer for 28 years looks like some sad ass roofers came up with this shit. sad .
Jamie Kinser its a no cut valley, saves time, saves accodentally cutting a whole when cutting your valley. It’s efficient and fast does not leak my company runs this same valley and have been in business for 18 years own one of the biggest roofing companies in the state of Ohio. 28 years ago you didn’t even have dimensional shingles so I know you’re way out of the loop old man. Step back it’s a new era.
Why bother with shingles? Just put the plywood on the frame, get some tar and a mop. Faster, cheaper, and no need to worry about shingles flying off the roof. Plus if you do get a leak, no worries. Just add more tar. Why waste you time with this? We have the technology. Lol
I've done this type of valley recently and I got to say I really like how it looks. I think it's better then a cut valley. I think it's a better sealed valley. Just my opinion tho
Will it pass inspection on commercial buildings??
And it's called dog earring it so the water runs the right way to the picture of the roof
Is this really faster now seeing how you have to cut to fit the end?
Well that's how you nail a floor and a roof at the same time..
You mean the dry wall and roof lmao
Yeah, great demonstration that ends when the trouble begins. Shingle short of edge and it appears to be thin. Terrible place to end the demonstration.🧐😖thumbs down, I’m afraid.
I think the purpose of the video was too tell how to shingle and how to start a valley. I didn't get none of that from the beginning to end..
Anda muy ahuevonado el compa
Lol. What with the tape measure?
First of all , "California valley" is acceptable by most manufacturers now adays ... so stop saying it's wrong
Nails are blowing thru and your using staples on synthetic underlayment (BIG NO NO )
OTHER THAN THAT ... its roofing !!!! It's already horrible as it is ...no need for bunch of" know-it-all "trying to tell him what to do... ROOF ON !!!!!
Se clava en medio ahí sele puede levantar el shingle
So i am guessing safety harnesses are not required in cali
JL L safety harness aren’t required at any height in the states
Es decir q ese valle no lleva cruce
Does anybody know why this is called California cut valley?
Esa clase de valley a mi en lo personal no lo pondria pues hace joroba y cuando aga el escalon
El agua va a regresarse en la joroba a lo mejor no si hace el escalon grande
Didn't cap their underlayment. Must not be master elite contractors.
U should overlap the California valley by an inch
Thank You
Every nail is blowing through the shingle. Not good.
Lmao Cali valley uh🤔😂 we do It in Florida also sometimes depending on the brand of shingles we call it a bleeder.Why no bull on the drip edge?
Starter roll. SA applied
Lol no rain cali there good. And no popped lines.
U don't need bull up north
I went down to Fla and was roofing I had that shit ( bull ) everywhere I sat in a bucket of it and got all over the work truck
Pues este hombre se está ganando la vida y nadie nace sabiendo por lo visto todos saben mejor que el pero en ves de criticarlo mejor enseñenlo al hermano
This ain't roofing!
This is what you get when Chico has a resume from "down under".
So much going on here and NONE of it right. Poor home owners probably have nails in their cocktails.
Na. The problem is. If he was from “down under” the blood is now rushing from his head to his feet. On the plus side the he is now right side up. But his brain ain’t working. Like some mericans. Some of them still believe they live in the south? How ever if he’s from straya. He is more southern then them. The other thing is in Straya we have resorted to tile roofing methods. I still don’t know how they don’t just slide off. Seeing as we are upside down. But we have figured it out. No nails required.
nails blowing through plus high nails ng.
Tambien hubiera medido y bajar Las lineas a lo mejor lo hizo pero no se alcanza a ver
lol wheres the cap nails in the GAF paper.
You don't need those
tem depois de finalizado???
Im very sure that your compressor psi is too high !
Nails wayyyyyyy too deep !
Thats going to leak for sure
acmecompany over 20 years of doing this no problem. Moved from cali to indi. Still perfect fast installs. All these indi slow pokes didnt believe us till we closed them out.
Why is it going to leak?
🤔🤔🤔🤔 leak??
Lmao please dont tell me you work for acme you dildos couldn't deliver an order correct so get that part right before you talk about someone else's roof
That's my choice of shingle color for this April 29th in Mi
What color is this?
Does the manufacturer allow for speed valley,I'm trying it on my job it's a really steep pitch I don't know if I trust it on lower pitch does anyone ever have problems with it
I see it done a lot here in Montana and we have harsh winters. I dont personally use this style but it works. Anything over 6/12 is fine.
@@kevindowner766 ok thanks
Bad water flow, catches debree easier. It is faster