Swedish scientist blames UK Covid spike on lockdown strategy
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- Sweden's chief epidemiologist has told Channel 4 News that the UK having a lockdown - and then ending it - was probably the biggest cause of a surge in British Covid cases, compared with much lower numbers in Sweden. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
Anders Tegnell also confirmed that Boris Johnson sought his advice in a Zoom call last weekend.
Over 500 Covid cases were reported in Sweden today - the biggest daily rise since early July.
But the Swedish government still believes its refusal to lock down was the right decision.
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I think culture is a big part of it. In Sweden, we're tired of the 2m social distancing. We wish this to be over so we can go back to the Swedish norm of 5m.
Bryce Brogan 🤣🤣
Lol you got me there
What's happening in Sweden
😂 😂 classic
I see what you did there.
UK has forgotten how to keep calm and carry on.
It's the other way round. Those who do all the covid sop are actually very stressed up. Disinfecting everyday is now an obsessive compulsive disorder. It is fear rather than saving lives. Saving lives is hope. But if you do things with other motives, that is not hope anymore. That is making people mental.
That's true :) Panic and hide could be a new one.
Leaders used to say, "There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
We sure have
And the United States has forgotten that the only thing to fear is fear itself.
4:18 I feel sorry for the lady who lost her mother. But what a reply she gave. "Who's doing the best? Who's not? I just want us to do the best we can"
In a world so divided where people just want to be right and prove others wrong, that's an outstanding reply.
Lots of people died in countries with lockdowns PLUS lots of people lost their livelihoods.
Many nurses were screaming about the ventilators killing people
That is an outstanding reply? No, it isn't, it is terrible, you don't ignore what other countries do right, you look at what is good and bad and you use it to your advantage.
Also the clue is in the part where the mother was put in the ventilator, that is what killed her, not the cov. most people that go into a ventilator die from damage to the lungs.
You have no idea how rare those cases are. So rare infact it literally be so many other lung problems but relabled as covid
@doctordonuthin Hahaha "Don’t worry, just keep reading the headlines" good advice :D
Another disappointingly dishonest headline: Dr Tagnall did NOT lay blame anywhere - in fact, he was very careful _not_ to answer your loaded question about blame - but of course, you had to put those words into your headline, anyway...
We should not be surprised at the increasing public skepticism; and distrust of the media...
2:26 sounds very specific that he says the blame is because of the lockdown.
@@TheBooban I stand corrected...!
Thank you
I'd just watched a previous video clip on Tegnall, which WAS dishonest; and projected my irritation onto this Channel4 interviewer...
Apologies to Ch4...!
"blame": 'i was part of the problem because I couldn't stay away"
I mean what exactly is so enticing that you just cannot abstain from doing for a while. rhetorical question, just forget i asked.
but blame is really fucking stupid whenever I have to look at it.
Mainstream media and mainstream politicians have been most disappointing this year. Anders and Co. have the only levels heads in Europe by the looks of it. They only country not to panic and to react logically.
@@savedfaves well, living in Swedens second largest city, I can say this trusting your citizens to follow guidelines is just bunk. Nobody cares, in that way, out in public. Places are packed. If it was here, we should all have gotten it. Yet the virus hasn’t spread, at least fatally so because everyone is down with a cold or flu recently, including me, twice in a month. The real reason it hasn’t spread is not what the media is saying or Anders is saying.
’’Swedes are taking a chance on their epidemiologist’’ well rather that than on politicians
… Take a chance on me
Or politicians masquerading as scientists.
When real scientists actually speak... instead of politicians.
He is a politician.
Excellent 😂
I’m glad Sweden tried a different route. Now we have a point of comparison.
I agree that it is essential that countries have several different strategies, but the problem with reporting is the claim that Sweden has far fewer cases. When comparing the numbers per million, the comparison is much closer, and Sweden is worse than its neighbors.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
@@fmac6441 that’s fair. Really, I don’t think we’ll be able to parse the data for true lessons until later. At least a year from now, maybe longer.
they're the control in our lockdown experiment.
covid19 death per million is five times world average.
5 covid19 waves already
@@fcukrealmadrid Sweden has lower deaths per million than the following countries,,,UK , USA ,Spain ,Panama,
Bolivia ,Peru ,Italy ,Chile , Ecuador, Belgium ,Brazil , Mexico and Argentina...
Fact is they have done very well. No lockdowns ,no masks..
Dr. Anders Tegnell, you should be nominated for the nobel peace price and or the nobel price for medicine.
You have proven the world that you are right, and the world was wrong. And the world should thank you for this. Thank you!
I believe the Swedish government approach is the correct one. They seem to be more level headed than their panic stricken neighbours.
And yet, more deaths and no perceived economic benefit.
@count ac It's a marathon, not a sprint.
@@mollers92 Less people die longterm and the economy took the smallest hit of all european countrys so why are you lying again?
@count ac Because many people die early than dial down while other countrys dont. Longterm Sweden is by far the best strategy. And you will see
@count acWhere did you get these figures from?
I think the main lesson Sweden has to teach is very simple: it's easy for a population to follow government guidelines *if they're simple and don't keep changing all the dang time.*
it's propaganda, most people under 30 ignored the whole pandemic and spread it to older people, many died and many got long covid.
You are so right - consistency is key and the reason why our process in Sweden is so much different from the one in the UK where the government switch it up a lot.
@@theresenydahl9531 I have experiences lockdown in the UK and I live in Sweden. In the UK social distancing is meticulously planned in shopping centers and other public places. In Sweden there is no similar planning. Tegnell has given up in trying to contain the spread, and the most of the Swedish population share his pessimism, so measure are half heated at best. In the UK society is trying stop the spread.
Sometime to keep ones self respect we have to try even if the task seems impossible. Are you comfortable that society in Sweden only took token measures and watched the elderly die in the thousands in the care homes, also many of the people infected with covid are suffering from "long covid", I bet you don't even know what long covid is.
@@mvtsolar8332 You sound like a troll per definition🙄
So if UK is so "meticulous" as you say, why do you have the rapidly surging numbers and regional lockdowns right now and why have you surpassed Italy in amount of COVID-19 deaths? You're not making any sense and the last thing people has done here is given up, just watch the clip again to check for yourself and then go back to whatever troll cave you emerged from.
@@theresenydahl9531 Michael sounds like a troll in what way? He wrote a thoughtful and sensitive post in reply to you, explaining his perspective, including quite a bit of information. I for one found it interesting.
"We will have the virus in our societies naturally, globally for many years and how are we going to live our lives for such a long time and not just surviving but living". She is the first person I've heard say this, exactly what I've been thinking since this began.
There's more to living than just staying alive. Give everyone the choice based on their own risk tolerance.
Right in the beginning of this nightmare merkel had a moment of truth.She said that eventually 70 - 80 % will catch the virus. I personally think that keeping the health system in place and for yourself a healthy lifestyle is about what can be done
@@michaeldentzer7475 Exactly, I don't know what everyone else expects to happen honestly. Even if we do find a vaccine, it is never going away.
@@GuySmiley you are probably as backwards als Michael Dentzer. he has not understood what Merkel said. and you twon make a perfect example of no-brainers
we won't have 'the virus' in our societies because it never existed to start with.
This country obviously has a culture of modesty and that’s why American publications like Time Magazine take advantage and double down on how they were wrong and we were right, Sweden is doing far better in the long run, but they are modest and won’t criticize other countries. Look at the scenes of their public transportation system: clean, no graffiti. This is a much more civilized and intelligent society.
Exactly. Swedes are all raised well. Great non combative culture. Look at how civilised they are!
@NobleGuy Actually the vast majority of that death rate was from those who died in nursing homes and their nursing homes are notoriously poorly ran. Take those deaths away and Sweden is way better than everyone else.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 WOW, what a discover. Like in any other country, most of the victims are older people from nursing homes. Sweden is in worst top20:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country
@@9razzler9 Just like other Scandinavians
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 In fact when comparing between countries, excess mortality is a fairer metric. In WHO's report, Sweden's excess mortality is actually lower than their neighbours!
Mature people. “Why throw dirt on each other” power to you lady! God Bless and I know that you must have happy memories of what must have been a wonderful mother to instill such decency in you.
“Not just surviving but living” read that again people.
@@ving5673 there is many things that will kill you in this world, the only real death is never to truly live
Vin G not worried about covid our hospitals are empty.
@@ving5673 And you will get there to. No one lives forever. The only thing you can control is how you live you life. Swedes are not ignoring the virus. They just try to do deal with it in a strategy that will work long time since the virus aint going anywhere. And do you honestly think that a hard lockdown wont cost lives? Better do social distancing, be home when you are sick, work from home as much as possible and use hand sanitizer.
This is not very moral approach. If it turned out to be that by not lockdown they will have less dead per population than other countries so they act morally.
Just compare Norway and Sweden. Sweden has several times more cases and deaths than Norway.
Straight up lies in the title, this is why the old media is dying
But it got your attention though, didn't it? 😉
CZcams is new media
@@MrPetter1000 100%
@@MrPetter1000 yes but it suuuuuu**s! tons of ads and creepy algorithms
We’re surviving but not living. She couldn’t have said it better :(
My exact thoughts! I think we're just existing! This is not living!
@@lorannegrech2614 well now with over 500 more deaths in a day, perhaps surviving this is going to be the ultimate goal towards being able to live well again.
@@lulunz6809 hope we'll be able to survive this damned virus! We are having 3 /4 deaths in a day but considering the size of my country it is still a huge number.!!!
@@lorannegrech2614 I am more than shocked at how quickly the numbers have risen there. I am so sorry for the people who are very concerned and ridiculed for taking measures to protect themselves, when the rest of the country, think they are being over-cautious. Please keep yourself safe and know that your lives are as valuable to me as my neighbours and fellow citizens here. Take care.
@@lulunz6809 you too my dear friend! I am really worried about my family, myself & all the people of the world as we are all brothers & sisters. Stay safe.
Well done Sweden...the most courageous people in Europe. May your country and it's people be protected always.
UK Government covide strategy has been a disaster.
Its what the people voted for.
Michael Peters Fenwicks there’s plenty more to come. Boris and his cronies are guilty of 45k+ of manslaughter
COVID-19 IS A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON: The purpose of this biological weapon (covid-19) is to destroy the economies of Europe and the United States.
The Chinese dead in Wuhan were inevitable human sacrifices in order to create a perfect alibi for not blaming the Chinese biological weapon program for this pandemic.
To carry out this biological attack, the Chinese Communist Party was supported by the WHO and the communist regimes of Cuba and North Korea.
On January 1, 2020, Kim Jong Un said “The world will witness a new strategic weapon in the near future.”
michaelgchandler34blog.wordpress.com/
Wait they had a strategy?
@@richardmccartney2328 *"COVID-19 IS A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON"* - Evidence?!
"The purpose of this biological weapon (covid-19) is to destroy the economies of Europe and the United States." - 1) COVID-19 is the name for the disease caused by the novel virus SARS-CoV-2. So which is the "biological weapon" again?
2) How will China safeguard its own economy (which is ENTIRELY dependent on the other two superpowers)?
"The Chinese dead in Wuhan were inevitable human sacrifices in order to create a perfect alibi for not blaming the Chinese biological weapon program for this pandemic." - *No amount of human sacrifices will EVER prevent Internet CRETINS from coming up with the most ludicrous 'conspiracy theories' by which to blame others for their intellectual inadequacy (and overwhelming scientific illiteracy)!* You are very much a living example of that, aren't you?... 😉
"To carry out this biological attack, the Chinese Communist Party was supported by the WHO and the communist regimes of Cuba and North Korea." - In what way have Cuba and North Korea contributed to this plan?
"On January 1, 2020, Kim Jong Un said “The world will witness a new strategic weapon in the near future.”"- Why would the masterminds behind this plan ALLOW one of THEIR OWN allies to come forth and PUBLICLY brag about their group's intentions (which they clearly would want to keep secret)?!? How would the guilty party manage to escape unscathed from the wrath of its (former) allies afterwards?!?
He never blame other countries
COVID-19 IS A BIOLOGICAL WEAPON: The purpose of this biological weapon (covid-19) is to destroy the economies of Europe and the United States.
The Chinese dead in Wuhan were inevitable human sacrifices in order to create a perfect alibi for not blaming the Chinese biological weapon program for this pandemic.
To carry out this biological attack, the Chinese Communist Party was supported by the WHO and the communist regimes of Cuba and North Korea.
On January 1, 2020, Kim Jong Un said “The world will witness a new strategic weapon in the near future.”
michaelgchandler34blog.wordpress.com/
Lady who lost her mother, so sorry for your lost. And thank you for your words of calm wisdom. Blessings to all.
"Not just surviving but living" Exactly. Some people in Spain believe that they are going to live forever and they live in the illusion of an artificial security-culture and fear. The irony is that the measures not only are going to create poverty, unhappiness, and mental health issues, but deaths, deaths of young healthy people. Suicides rates are up. The society is totally divided to the point of confrontation, looters come out at night, there is mistrust and paranoia everywhere, and we can't work!
By destroying the economy, we are weakening society to the point that if a real dangerous and potencially destructive crisis comes after this one, we will not be able to face it.
By destroying the union and trust between people we destroy the very fiber of society.
I don't feel part of this society any more. I admire Sweden and your sense of community, common sense, and trust in science and trust in people.
Totalmente de acuerdo
Very well put
I am saying the same but people find me crazy
@@BiztosAngol Show them this...
www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021
I live in Sweden and this man is my hero. He took so much flak in the early days.
EDITS how? Draconian personal and economic measures kill far more than this virus so deadly you need a test. Use your brain.
Maybe he took "flak" because he's been wrong about almost everything he's said to the public? tegnellcitat.se/
Or maybe it was the leaked emails showing he doesn't know what he's doing? Or maybe... because he is responsible for the deaths than more than all countries around Sweden put together.
EDITS - how can you blame one man for risking lives? Do your OWN decernment and take your OWN responsability. People are like small children who think the government are their saviour and parents - its insane!!!!
Atheos you sound like someone who watches too much msm. Either that or you work for the WHO?
Hej, hur är det i Sverige nu? Jag pratar med min mamma via mail. Sorry you might not understand Swedish? Sorry for assuming
I am an ED physician in California. Caught Covid 6 weeks ago from nursing home patient at work. Sick for 3 weeks but back to work now. The lockdown in CA has not worked. Severe economic and social damage in my opinion with little benefit. The Swedes got it right!
Indeed. Actions have to involve a proper balance. No issue exists independently.
Did you conclude the lockdown didn't work because you caught Covid-19?
People are expected to catch Covid-19. What matters is that it only reaches vulnerable people over an extended period of time so that there's capacity to care for these people, which wouldn't be the case if everybody caught it at the same time.
@@merry6671 No, I am a physician observer of all this just like you. Covid-19 is an infectious agent from the family of Corona Viruses that can infect virtually all mammals. It easily transmits between people. Government intervention and regulation only slows the spread. Ultimately Covid will infect more people of all ages. Elderly frail and immune compromised will have a regrettable death rate. Dr Fauci’s prediction of 2 million dead in one year thank God did not happen but 200,000 and counting is bad news too. Various states imposed various levels of lock down. California where I live has been very strict and decimated huge sections of the economy. But did CA really do better than other states. NO, IT DID NOT. Our only hope to stop Covid will be antiviral meds and vaccine. So far all we have is decadron, remdesivir and regeneron monoclonal antibody. Trump got all three and his clinical response is truly amazing. Trump benefited from the task force on Corona Virus. I hope others do too. I took decadron and aspirin and took 1 month before really feeling near normal.
In WHO's report, Sweden's excess mortality (the fairest criterion when comparing between countries) in 2021 was lower than their neighbours! This is concrete evidence that they've gotten it right. Sweden was relatively spared from covid myopia.
Really sensible answers from the Swedish people interviewed. They were given every opportunity to criticise other countries but chose not to. Respectable.
Normal?
The difference is the Swedish government are for the people and take care of people. Not like Canada and USA.
This is a UK news channel.
The video is about Sweden
Also, just like in Canada, Sweden had a huge % of deaths in long term care homes.... fyi
@@jackjackthompson5771 oh I know. My wife is a quality lead nurse and her sister facility lost 50 residents. The government response was a joke. There was a ppe hotline that was setup that facilities could call for ppe, great right? The line was disconnected due to high volume of calls. What each country did the first 3 months was manage best they could. Now though they should have their act together, guess what? Nope. Not in Ontario anyway.
@@cbrboy17 Wow, that's terrible, sorry to hear it. tell your wife we appreciate her!!
UK lockdown was not ‘very strict’. Try being in a country where you weren’t even allowed out to walk outside.
Try comparing UK lockdown to Italy or France or China ,
@Mohammad Rahman where are you living ?
@Mohammad Rahman bro just go outside, or do the police arrest you? I'm in Mexico and I still do the things I did before, not even think about the pandemic
@Mohammad Rahman you should write a novel. That was gripping.
@@nopagopremium3251 That is the only way and it is the correct one. Carry on as normal, just ignore the abnormal.
First it was flatten the curve..now its flatten the economy..
Flatten the curve for two weeks-7 months ago.
All along it was flatten Trump. If Trump would not have been president now, this political hogwash would not have existed because Hillary Clinton is China's daughter in law...
Wow 🤩 it’s refreshing to hear officials not sounding like complete egotistical narcissists in interviews , like they do in the US
Like they do in almost every single European country
Tegnell is smart, even with his diplomacy
"what did you say to Boris"
"I won't say"
"If I was Boris, what would you say"
"I'd say 'look at other countries'"
If they had protected all those 70 and 80 year olds in care homes better earlier, their results would be totally indeniable
@Sven Larsson ha ha det stämmer för ungdomar i Storbritannien att de vill vara den nästa pew pew på youtube..
Japan? Singapore? Sverige inte elska aldre folk
Problem with Swedes is despite education, there is a very conformist mindset.
This is typical main stream reporting, I wish they'd just accept the fact that Sweden got it right and the UK has got it wrong. Instead of trying to pick holes in Sweden's strategy they should be asking questions of our government how they got it wrong!
The critical difference is that in general, Swedes have a more pragmatic and less instinctively critical attitude to government decisions. Over here, Johnson was castigated for his dithering and inertia at the start of the pandemic and is now being criticized for both too little action and simultaneously, for initiating measures that are considered too draconian. It was and still is politically impossible in the UK to even consider a herd immunity approach to tackling the virus. As deaths increase, the herd immunity strategy would be overwhelmingly condemned to a point whereby a government U-turn would be inevitable. We would never even reach the point where it would be possible to look back and assess the success/failure of such a strategy.
Sweden didn't get it right. Their COVID death rate per head of population is the 5th highest in Europe.
The UK's is the 3rd highest, so you're comparing got-it-wrong with got-it-very-wrong.
@@michaelgove9349 It's more than just about covid deaths, Sweden's economy is fine but the UK's is in tatters and everyone bar the government seems to know this.
@@michaelgove9349 brexit hasn't happened yet, covid has. Would you like to explain ?
@Jeri Brown money over people? I don't understand what you mean, would you like to expand on that?
“Did she call you?” Such a cruel question which he knew the answer to. What a monster.
Journalist in this country are dim and lack empathy.
Wanted to make some drama and bring some tears for the video but it backfired
@@jak743 I agree Jak. That must of hurt, but the lady answered the question calmly and collectively.
I was triggered when he made that question at that moment. Very insensitive!
@@TheJainmehul He knew what he was asking the lady and he knew that question would of upset her.
This presenter seems a little biased with his leading questions trying to get the woman to critisize Sweden's approach, implying that they're stupid for the measures they put in place etc
Yep, but it's Channel 4, so what do you expect...
Lockdown is peddled by socialist left wing media
The experts truly had the overall health of their citizens in mind. Bravo! Not so here in Canada where the police have been routinely interrogating and ticketing people for doing normal things.
My dad died at 62, from complications of a cancer recovery and chest infection........it changed my life and it's horrific, but death is a part of life. We have no lives to speak of anymore.
Man, I can feel the envy from this reporter and the rest of the world. The more the time passes by, the more the Swedes are proven right.
I'm italian and I'm seriously considering migrate in sweden. The last oasis of the planet
Quanto ti capisco!!!
Swedish girls love Italian guys 👍🏻
@rachel hutchinson my sister and I are seriously looking to buy a home there now. Uk is a fascist state and I can’t see it ending soon
Japan and Switzerland are also good options. Perhaps even New Zealand, it stretch far away from all the crazy things of the world, lol.
@John Mitchell Oh, shut up you insufferable pedant. Fascism doesn’t always start with political violence- indeed many political movements take time to impregnate their aims and philosophy into the consciousness of the population. I can see where things are going and it’s eerily similar to how several other fascistic regimes began historically.
"Cafes, restaurants, and shops never shut here. Instead, Swedes did as they were told on social distancing and good hygiene."
Yeah. They were certainly 'social distancing' in that subway station. You're an idiot.
@@frankgarrett242 Nah I'm pretty sure you're the idiot.
@@tetleydidley
What are you? Five years old?
@@frankgarrett242 Aww that's generous but I'm not that precocious kind sir. But you may need to take that person, woman, man, camera, TV test!
@Lego Head Calling someone who literally just quotes the video without any additions or interpretations whatsoever an idiot is using "reason"? Many people but not enough humans? People who disagree with you are farmed salmon? Whoaahh... Bring real arguments to the table without insulting people then probably people will start listening to your reasons.
Look at all the Walking they do! Look at the people they appear moderate in size. You don’t seem to see obese people! They probably have a healthier life style and more nutritional Food options not so much processed boxed up food.
Exactly my man. Covid deaths are pretty much self inflicted. Look at all the fat unfit people especially up North hence why more deaths.
@Ms Taylor Yes definitely smoking is a bad habit when you are dealing a upper lung tract disease...... common sense really
Look at how they use the escalator, and 0:21 the cameraman is the only guy going opposite way in that lane, everyone else use the left lane. Swede are Japanese in Nordic skin !
Hilfiger Exactly!
@Ms Taylor Even worse if your smoking at a party
Sweden Obesity Rate: 20.60%
United Kingdom Obesity Rate: 27.80%
United States Obesity Rate: 36.6%
www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/adult-obesity-rates-rise-6-states-exceed-35-7
Massive This is a big clue! Sadly most wont get it!
@@Anewuser_6282 and...USA just beat UK in deaths per capita and is still climbing steadily as it spreads to the more rural states.
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Glasgow's obesity rate, 99%
@heartfulenergy it's true. The 3 people that I know that have had it bad....are all obese !
“The world is like a herd of ostriches; Sweden is the ostrich that refused to hide it’s head underground and face the problem. The other ostriches are not just fooler, but also more vulnerable”
More people died there than in locked down Norway.
@@jaquesravalec242 indeed, the dead rate by covid-19 was high, but how is it now?
What is the purpose of the lockdown? Prevent the transmission of the virus while the ill ones are medically treated . That is naive, considering the size of the virus. I’ve heard by several respectable scientists the obvious, the virus’ll spread on the 100% of population. The Swedish model was just smarter
@@davidarthurkingsworth9683 Getting worse very fast. Sweden is now reconsidering its entire approach.
@@RayThackeray look the whole equation, not just some numbers or details. What is the point? The virus is really small, so it is everywhere, soon or late, everyone will be infected by it. It doesn’t matter how things are going on now, the point is the future.
@@davidarthurkingsworth9683 Your bullshit is completely repudiated by every epidemiologist except the idiot in Sweden who is being proven wrong and getting sidelined.
“She was just 69 when she died”
American life expectancy: *nervously sweating*
😂
"Millions can't be wrong. Unless they're British" - Bitpanda
Responses to COVID-19 by country:
* 🇸🇪 Sweden: No lockdown but basic social distancing measures
* 🇺🇳 Rest of the world: Lockdown everything and enforce mandatory social distancing
* 🇬🇧 UK: Change lockdown and social distancing regulations every week or so, but don't adequately notify the public if it changes, also be very vague about certain details
I have a question.
What does lockdown mean? It's extremely hard to pin down with people. Sweden closed high schools before summer because the risks to that population and their contribution to spread was unknown at the time. The government also passed legislation so they could close secondary and primary schools if they wish but they haven't yet (local governments control that normally). And they recommend you work from home if you can.
I see these steps as being a lockdown. At least part of it. Where's the line? Not all governments recommended face masks during their peaks. So it can't be that either. And everyone is told to stay at home and get tested when they have symptoms. Something we've never seen that can classify as lockdown in my view is fines for not complying with what's recommendations here.
I'm in Sweden and the way I see it we have a lockdown. Commuters in Stockholm like pictured early on in the video is the only place that's a significant risk outside workplaces/schools according to what our public health officials are saying.
People sitting in the open air at park benches isn't a risk at large scales. Same with restaurants assuming proper spacing (government closed some restaurants for failing at this).
What's a lockdown if we don't have it?
@@0xCAFEF00D you decide what you want to do? In the UK the government decides what you are to obey...
You forgot to add, that Sweden also practices a euthanasia policy on their elderly, should they be infected. Not that it would surprise anyone who knew that Sweden was practicing eugenics about 40 years longer than Germany.
@@fritzhaber3994 In the UK old people were moved out of hospitals and into care homes where covid was running riot...then not allowed back into hospital...not only the UK, I wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t happen in much of Europe. People living in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!
I have a new respect for the Swedes. "Not just surviving but living". She said it so well.
Wish australia had the same mentality instead of slapping us with a massive legacy debt.
Canada; hold my drink, mate.
Doesn't matter what these scientist and health professionals say. Our politicians are not listening.
It's not just politicians that are not listening, unfortunately common folks does not too .
We should make them listen if they don't.
@@wookyungkim5507 easier said and done . And even they listen it's hard to change someone mind if there have a misinformation that they believe in .
@@elingdreamer94 Yes but if we don't ever try, we'll end up getting DNA-changing vaccines...
That's not rush hour, that's a quiet day on the London underground 🤣
That's exactly why it doesn't spread as fast. Sweden has roughly 10 million people, London has almost 9 million. Quite obvious that it'll spread slower when there's fewer people living per square kilometer.
Way to go Sweden!!!
As a Canadian 🇨🇦 I have respect for Sweden 🇸🇪
Swedish political leadership is smart.
On this one thing, yes.
Not where islam is concerned, I'm afraid.
The Amish community (in the US) were asked why the coronavirus was Not effecting them. They said we do not have television ...
In Sweden the coronavirus have disappeared since they started following alternative media
@@Djur2844 Have you ever been to Sweden, there are two websites that everyone uses for news and no one uses anything else. Those two are aftonbladet and expressen so you're lying.
@@michelmansour7476 ... The reality is that very few Swedes read aftonbladet or expressen. They are Swedish version of CNN (US MSM) so no, I´m not reading any of them!
By the way ... I`m a Swede
Sweden has the best strategy...
Exactly it really does Boris needs to take notes
Lol, practicing euthanasia on a large scale for no good reason whatsoever?
@@fritzhaber3994 - Pardon? Watch until the video shows you their second wave death stats compared to ours.
@@fritzhaber3994 the problem with your theory is that they a) first had a much older population. So they should have been massacred, only that is not what the current evidence suggests. B) realistically they had no reason to assume that a vaccine would be coming as soon as this one seems to be coming, carried out over the usual five year vaccine schedule mandatory lockdowns would likely cause more deaths, and already Sweden has fewer deaths per 100k than many countries with much younger populations.
@@Station9.75 Their second wave just started, several weeks after the rest of Europe. You do realise, that deaths are lagging after confirmed diagnoses by 4-6 weeks after 8 months in this, right?
Anyone else in lockdown Britain watching this wishing our government would've taken this route? Watching this made me cry, the scenes of people carrying on with their everyday lives, shopping, going to work, eating at cafes. I remember how it felt to be able to walk freely about like that, to go places and to enjoy life... it made me feel like a bird in a cage watching birds outside fly around free. When will this madness end?
More people would have died.
Me me me me. That type of thinking is why u suffer.
I completely understand, when you’re in a shop you don’t know if you can walk past someone or if they will shout at you for walking too close to them, if you cough or sneeze everyone looks at you like you’re diseased, it’s horrific, but there’s hope all things come to an end, this won’t last forever
It's too bad more countries didn't do this, then we'd have a bigger control group.
And the 6000 deaths?
@@O-.-O If we spent half this energy on basically any other disease (malaria, E Coli, ebola) we could save a lot more lives. Covid is not this big of a threat.
The Vikings do not like the fearfactory ...
People shouldn't be scared of the virus. They should be scared of how selfish their fellow humans can be.
I'm sure some sweeds like heavy metal
Vikings laugh on the face of fear!
Plus they're cool people. Got their heads screwed on...
I absolutely love the USA despite its faults, but I can't recall the last time I've ever been so envious of another country.
Sweden land of the free home of the brave
Trump has been forced to lockdown, otherwise USA would have followed the same approach of Sweden. But when you have all the country telling you are stupid because you think differently, and you are the President, you have to conform to the widely accepted opinion. It's politic.
Really! It seemed strange to see all those people walking in the metro without masks on.
respect to Sweden
I am half-Norwegian, and have been to Sweden many times over the last 58 years. You cannot compare the Scandinavian situation and culture with ours in the UK without mentioning the difference in population density, and normal behaviour. People do not crowd each others space, shops are far less crowded. People do not tend to shout or even speak loudly. In Scandinavias as a rule.
If you observe the difference between the gov't approaches to Covid in Norway and Sweden you may have a reasonable comparison to make, because the cultures and population density are reasonably similar. Norway has had quite strict restrictions, and Sweden much less so. Norway has had much more success in death rates. ... so far ...
But it will be a good year before we know which approach is most successful overall. Nobody can yet see the future, and indeed it is possible that Sweden will have been vindicated, and that we may all learn from the Swedish way, but we are only just into the beginning of the Winter. Who knows how this will go, be it in the UK, Norway, Sweden or indeed any other Northern Hemisphere Country?
Another problem is that I doubt the veracity of the reporting from some major countries outside Europe. Sometimes because the journalism is controlled by censorship [and even self-censorship], but also because the testing and diagnosis or even availability of treatment mean that even the known numbers may not reflect the reality in the villages and countryside areas.
Just two pennies' worth. George
They are not counting in Sweden, they stop counting long ago. Sweden is a doble standard country that wants to appared as the best of Europe, but it is not.
Even one penny for what I can see...
Asia has huge populations in cities. Their numbers are way down on the west.
We know now. In WHO's report, Sweden's excess mortality (the fairest criterion when comparing between countries) in 2021 was lower than their neighbours! This is concrete evidence that they've gotten it right. Sweden was relatively spared from covid myopia.
@@teokl6150 Thank you for your interesting reply given with the perspective that time brings.
I am sure that there is a huge amount of sociological and medical work to be done son as to prepare for a future pandemic, and how best the reduce the damage.
I do agree that excess deaths is really the best way to assess these things. If a lock-down regime results in other deaths such as suicide, or death from untreated heart attack or stroke, or even, longer term, from raised rates of Cancer mortality from treatment [and diagnosis] being delayed [or even not happening at all], then really that is still an excess death. Not so much due to Covid, but due to anti-Covid policy. Sometimes the policy may be worse than the disease ...
I do thank so much for replying to my post above.
Best wishes from George
Why would you do what’s never been done before? Cause you’re sensible that’s why. Well done the Sweeeeedzzz
Why are you comparing Sweden to the UK rather than Norway or Finland
@@DivineMedicus what?
@@DivineMedicus actually you need to look at how previous years rolling excess deaths looked for those other countries. Sweden was 4 thousand deaths below average last year. The other countries around it were not. So that means more comorbid people were living into 2020 than normal in Sweden. Hence the high initial death rate. But if you look now Sweden is fairing pretty well.
@@DivineMedicus per capita isn't a suffiecent argument. The same way we can just blanket compare per capita death rates between the UK and Sweden.
It makes logical sense that if your deaths per year the previous year was 4 thousand below average you will have a higher amount of people making it into 2020 who would have died from a strong flu/respiratory illness. The other countries besides Sweden didn't have below average years last year. Hence why they didn't have an excess of comibid people in 2020 to cause a bigger spike.
Also Sweden has 20% of its population about 70. Compared to just 10% in the UK.
Sweden had a high rate because of the soft previous years and it's large aged population .
Also it takes 23 days for death to begin..meaning that even if Sweden locked down when the other nordics did they would have already had the virus out in the community and spread. So that first spike was baked in. Regardless of lockdowns or not.
" not surviving but living " ....
Lower death rate compared to UK doesn’t guarantee that Sweden’s approach is the right one. Adopting Sweden’s approach by other countries could be disastrous.
You need to talk about percentages not numbers for each country, you can’t compare with numbers alone.
True, plus stats on people per square km. Here in the UK, there are more people in London than the whole of New Zealand.
That’s what they did in this video. It was a ratio (not percent but per thousand)
I love the comment of “ the Swedish people did as they where told with social distancing and hygiene” unlike many of the uk people who just want to go to the pub at all costs!
Very True . I watched a programme on people surviving WW1 And WW11 The hardship
Then watch modern UK obsessed with loosing drinking time.. and listen to them moaning, how hard done by...
It's embarrassing sometimes
And I know it's a different world
But some people's priorities are wrong..
Sweden has done the right thing. Not only is it the more appropriate decition but also they don't lock down a nation to protect a an old population that doesn't socialise or go out in the first place
I see that Sweden didn't try to take the power and freedom from the people. They let adults choose how they would deal with it. And it worked great!
Nicely written, totally agree.
The "all power to Tegnell, our savior" is clearly satire. It's a referrence to a fairytale by Astrid Lindgren (the Brothers Lionheart) in which that is the password to be let into the big city where the dictator precides. The dictator in the story is called Tengill.
I hope it is satire. My god. How long did those that died pay really high taxes for? To be left to die. Thats criminal.
@@aratneerg1375 You speak as if there were a cure for the disease or as if they were left to die and that is just not true. There is no cure for this, but the Swedish made the decision to go on, if anyone wanted to be isolated they could have stayed home.
Spaniards, on the other hand, decided to go for the lock down and right now they are not doing better than France or England and far worse than Sweden, not to mention the unemployment rate of 30%, the closing down of over 20% of small businesses and the worst is still to come when people will run out of savings and depend on government subsidies.
@@jazzman_10 our eldery were definitely (figuratively speaking) left to die
But we all know that there is really only a spike in testing. A faulty testing system no less.
BS. We have a second spike in cases in Germany and we test at the same level since August/September.
@MrJuggernaute You aren't the brightest one either.
That woman was extremely diplomatic in a situation where a Brit would blame “the man”
Eve that's interesting. Do you imagine this Brit voted for or against leaving the European Union?
Relevant how?
She’s reasonable, like most Swedes most of the time. The experts are obviously doing the best they can, pursuing what they believe will be the best strategy. Given this, and the fact that we can never know the counter factual outcome, why be angry with “the man”? Her mother wasn’t killed by Tegnell, she was killed by the virus.
I can see the reporter is kind of annoyed by the way Sweden has successfully handled the situation without resorting to draconian measures, unlike most other countries. And that seems to bother him. Since July 14th, Sweden has rarely reported double-digit death totals, something completely different from the UK.
Just come here to ask him now what ?! Sweden officially announced they have failed!
Where are all the people now who said Sweden got it right?
@@rockman4699 I hope they are well 😂
Lockdown and facemask is a false security. Lockdown or no lockdown the death statistic pretty much the same.
Agree and disagree.
Here in Japan (I’m a Canadian here ) and we don’t do lockdowns BUT do ubiquitously wear masks. Everyone is on board with that.
But it’s business as usual with restaurants doing good business surprisingly.
And 120 million people crammed into a space the size of California and on the busiest trains in the world but only 1650 deaths so far.
That’s it...
It can only be explained rationally by the masks.
I actually feel lucky to live here.
@@shizuokaBLUES I believe one of the biggest contributions are their diet and health. People over there in 1st world Asian countries like South Korea and Japan walk every where and their daily diet consists of healthy and balanced meals. In the US we have donuts, fast food and soda for breakfast. Drive around everywhere. pretty much rotting from the inside out.
The people that I know that got it were old timers who smoked and takeout or people who are morbidly obese who ate nothing but comfort food.
@@kenseisato1989 here in japan I witness this daily and completely agree with you. In addition there is the factor of 発酵食品 -fermented foods (sorry I can’t assume you read Japanese ) and gut health/biome. As for now it’s a theory but I suspect that, when this pandemic gets under control and the research can focus more on correlational relationships outside of the immediate factors, we will see diet and particularly fermented foods and low meat/sugar levels having more impact, as you wrote. For now I consider myself lucky to have immediate access to kimchi, natto, miso, and even sauerkraut. And am raising my intake to promote my own gut health.
Yes good point Kensei
@@shizuokaBLUES It's the same reason as to why the elderly population in Africa isn't hit so hard. They have a better diet, move around more and are more outside (some of the chronic problems after a Covid or Influenza infection may be due to a mold toxicosis caused by living in a contaminated apartment, eating too much contaminated grain products or having the mold infect or colonize you during a viral infection (as then, the immune system is more prone to opportunistic pathogens). The consumtion of different sugars and artificial sweeteners is also changing the gut biome. And the overuse of antibiotics in mass animal farms and thus contamination of the meat with antibiotics or different bacterial or fungal toxins caused by infections may alternate the gut biome too or have negative impact on your health.
The Japanese diet however involves more micro plastics as you guys eat lots of fish and the oceans are quite contaminated with those extremely small plastic particles. But it seems as if those plastic has not such a huge impact on health or the gut micro biome. (it may be because plastic is quite hard to digest for almost all micro organisms except some very few which (usually) don't live in your gut)
It's just a matter of time for everyone in this earth to get their body visited by COVID-19. The question is, when the time comes, is your body ready or not. If you have a good immune system, pretty much nothing gonna happen.
Why not report on how well Taiwan handled the virus and they kept the numbers down.
Exactly! I was watching a short documentary on how they’ve overcome it, I don’t know why the media won’t broadcast that
Or south Korea
Or New Zealand.
Because dare I say it, the Western media still look down on the Eastern countries. Everyone sees it, but no one says it.
Everyone is still wearing masks in those countries. Additionally a study showed 50% of people in Tokyo had some exposure meaning they had greater immunity than Westerners. Though I will admit what worked in Sweden may not work in the UK France or Spain
I would like to see a show about all the people who died because of the lockdown not the virus i will hold my breath
Cases don't matter. If you're taking them seriously, you're doing it wrong. Deaths and hospitalizations.
on Sept 23, 2020: 5,837 in Sweden It is at 8,727 by Dec 30, 2020. I guess they were wrong.
In the US, you don't even need a positive test. Most people don't have one. Of course, even if you have one, there are so many false positives that they can't be taken seriously.
The title of this video is wrong, it should be “Sweden doesn’t talk about other countries approach towards the plandemic”
Good on you,Sweden and good luck.
She understood the difference of Living and surviving... Thank you for the comment :)
I'm thinking all countries should have followed the Swedish strategy
They're the only country In Europe that successfully flattened the curve
@EDITS
Wrong Sweden's deaths per million
Is lower than almost every other country in Europe
Can I ask,where did you find the information that says otherwise?
@EDITS
One of the lowest death rates per million in Europe
Now it's at the bottom of every chart for cases,hospitalisations,
And deaths
I wish we were that careless
It's hilarious how Sweden is praised for being the best or laughed at for being the worst depending on situation in the exact point in time. Interesting experiment though, but my opinion is that any strategy in general could be decent if consistently followed through
We are not the ones experimenting. We are following the science, not political motives or emotions. :)
In WHO's report, Sweden's excess mortality (the fairest criterion when comparing between countries) in 2021 was lower than their neighbours! This is concrete evidence that they've gotten it right. Sweden was relatively spared from covid myopia.
I'm feel like crying of anger when I look at Sweden and compare it with my own country! Sweden is the only country in Europe who did the right thing, although they were hit hard in the beginning.
Hit hard mostly in the care homes and those of a vulnerable nature. But the overall death toll was small based on the overall population. the overall global death count is way, way, way below 1%. this virus all along has been over 90% mild.
At least one fifth of the population in Sweden is aged over 65, where those with diagnosed health conditions are denied publicly funded medical treatment. Death numbers are lower in Denmark and Norway where fewer deaths were ATTRIBUTED to CoViD'19 that occurred due to preexisting conditions including advanced age.
Sweden is not as densely populated as the UK so it’s not a fair comparison.
What would be an appropriate comparison is looking at their neighbouring Scandinavian countries. Sweden has had the most deaths. Is that a success?
@@nancyattoh8998 and what about Japan with a far higher population density?
@@nancyattoh8998 : Yes, a success as explained above your comment. Moreover Sweden didn't shut down. So definitely a success. Not that Sweden could've shut down. It has no control in its immigrant communities, who ignore Swedish authorities altogether.
Sweden was held up as an example of how other countries should have responded to the virus.It now turns out not to be the case, and fortunate that we didn't follow their example." ....In Sweden, thirteen thousand people have died from COVID-19. In Norway, which has a population that is half the size of Sweden’s, and where stricter lockdowns were enforced, about seven hundred people have died...."
Fears cause stress
Stress causes illness
The End
You couldn’t have said it better , I totally agree
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Sweden seems to have more of a disaplined society than some of the UK by not getting wasted every weekend or house to house parties, healthier lifestye that doesn't just put unnessary pressure just on themsleves but also on their health service and the govement in Sweden have alot of common sense and in touch with there people.......' .
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sweden is the China of europe and not even a democracy, healthcare is nearly non existant and people are dying in hospital
queues in massive amounts. Common sense is something everyone is asking for these days.. there's no sense in anything over here. Weekly bomb attacks, daily rape and murder.... corona is just the icing on the cake of retardation and corruption that is Sweden.
Atheos are you for real?!
From the outside Sweden seems like a modern utopia built on intelligence rather than financial gain.
Comes as something else when a Swedish scientist gets it right compared to the UK government
I was worried for Sweden at first, but their thoery proved correct. We need to protect the vulnerable but healthy keep the country ticking over. 😍😁
If stay home save lifes goverment supposed to start by giving a home to every homeless person.Homeless are not all dead ,are on the rise and more will be kicked in the streets.
Best turn up at Dover in a dinghy and pretend to be foreign, then. You'll be put-up for free in a 4-star hotel and fed, and given spending money on top.
I wonder what the right approach is. Perhaps we'll know more in a year.
From a lifestyle and mental health standpoint I believe the answer is obvious.
Full lockdown containment and elimination is best if a country can achieve it, however for most places and densely populated slums it's impossible to get there now most likely because the populations will just riot.
Headline is very (mis)leading!
The scientist did NOT blame lockdown measures. He was careful to say each country has their own factors to account for.
It’s so refreshing to see people with no masks!! This masks have a much bigger psychological implications then most people realize or care to look into it . At least here in US is striking how much wearing a mask changed people’s behavior . Some very noticeable behavior changes in people are in customer service ( groceries stores , department stores ) lack of greeting the customers , lack of eye contact , not even mentioned smiling that would be obvious pointless .
It’s almost like people are a lot less present and much more walking around like robots avoiding even looking at each other .... very sad .
YT -> Sweden RFID Microchip
www.wired.com/2007/09/study-rfid-impl/
www.theregister.com/2007/09/10/rfid_chip_cancer_link/
Why have the Swedes done better? Herd immunity may have been the right thing to do. Let the young people get it keep the vulnerable home.
"You'll struggle to see a face mask here" as someone walks past wearing one! "Found one!"
That just proved the reporter's point.
Tbh those stats are misleading, Sweden is a smaller country then the UK in terms of population and Sweden isn't a main business hub such as the UK is and the UK has way more tourist that visit the country then Sweden does.
@Todd Packer lol
@Todd Packer : It's true.The UK has a huge population for its size compared to Sweden.Covid is always much worse in urban areas because populations being tightly packed together.
We already know that they were right. This report assumes that the only valid criteria are infection and death rates, but it is obvious that the economic consequences of lockdown need to be factored in and the Swedes are way better off in that regard. If one were to make a moral argument about balancing money and death rates one would be ignoring the fact that such calculations are made every day by countries with public health services. The amounts of money involved in policy decisions about dispensing high cost life saving drugs are much less than the cost of lockdowns.
Lots to learn from Sweden.
Jan Strang. Yes , mainly the fact that arrogance causes deaths . Our benign northern overlords diyng by the dozens while lesser peoples are doing better.
Death rate of 57.64 per 100K is a good number? In Singapore, the death rate is 0.48 per 100K and we are one of the most densely populated countries in the world.
I believe nothing what comes from China.
This whole thing did show how the Chinese government controlls international institutions like the WHO.
@@ldorman I am talking about Singapore. This has nothing to do with China. Ignorant dumbass!
Singapore is the asshole of Chiiiinaaaa
We don’t talk about a tiny country on a global scale so shhhh
@@jaz6051 And you are an ignorant arsehole!
The British "Pub culture" won out over sensibilities. By definition these are places of little airflow at the best of times and packed to the max at normal times. Probably not the best place to hang out if there is an air borne contagion present , just like hanging out on a packed train or bus.
Facts
So you're saying,,, Sweden is the place to vacation this Summer...sounds good
They will be proved right
They got this spot on
I agree
Agree. It's already ten months on. They would have already been proven wrong if they were. Too many people asleep.
I'd kill to be living in Sweden right now.
*Now*
umm.. you need check on that.
I think they still have laws on killing in Sweden
Now we know that Sweden was wrong. They took a risk sure but they paid a huge price. Welcome to reality.
Natural herd immunity makes u pay a heavy price. And for how long, even if achieved. New strains of the virus will inevitably pop. God help us. Meanwhile social distance until we know more about this virus. Good luck to all.
So, they didnt destroy their economy, create huge mental health problems etc.... the fact is they are no worse off than most of the nations that have destroyed livelihoods, mandated masks, house arrests, tore families apart from loved ones, house arrests, taken away democratic rights..... lose billions on crazy schemes etc.....
@@elizabethryan7772 Their little experiment failed. The damage to their economy is coming and will be much worse than the situation if they handled it effectively in the first place. More people will suffer now. Can't escape reality.
@@mdml0 And you were wrong 😀
I would expect this kind of journalism from the US, but not from the UK.