You do excellent reviews, backing off throttle response was a very important find, and the lack of consistency with acceleration very important for consumers to know
Cheers for the review. Having owned this car for a few weeks now, I must say that I have none of the niggles that have been pointed out. I absolutely love it. There are just a few things you get used to, but overall I'm a very happy chappy.
I don't know why people are trying to justify the fact that the drivetrain is undercooked. A vehicle that does not perform consistently under load is fundamentally unsafe. You need to be able to rely on what the vehicle will do when you need it to perform. If it can't do back to back hard acceleration without degrading, it won't be able to pull a heavy load or climb a long hill without the same issues. And thats only going to get worse as the battery degrades over time. The fuel consumption is very average too. Notwithstanding Brett's comments about this vehicle being an early build and perhaps not running the latest software, GWM has the same opportunity as everyone else to prepare their media vehicles properly and if this is the best they can do (inconsistent performance, rattles and malfunctioning systems) it's not good enough. If you want to buy one anyway that's your right but don't shoot the messenger when he points out the issues. If you want someone to just tell you what you want to hear, go and talk to a salesman. They'll be happy to do that. Personally I value a comprehensive review that gives the good and the bad. There's not enough of that nowadays.
I am just pointing out a couple misinformation here: 1. You do not need a vehicle to perform with the highest output all the time. In fact, you will strain your engine. You only need the max power occasionally, such as overtaking, climbing up a hill with caravan and pulling away from stationary. They only last for a short period and a hybrid can perfectly do so. Most time driving in city and cruising on highway, you don't need that much power to do so. 2. There are many types of hybrid. Saving fuels is only one type of hybrid. Hybrid can be primarily set up for power too (e.g. F1 cars). 3. Each car is set up that it's a balance of everything, with some areas compromised and some areas excels. The ideal car you mentioned will never exist commercially because it will never be a market, the price will be extremely high.
@@johnsteve1352 you're not "correcting" anything. Nobody is talking about driving it flat out all the time but it's very clear from this test that if you were using this vehicle to tow a heavy load up a long hill it would not be able to sustain it and would lose power. You need the car to perform consistently, every time you put your foot down. If it is quick sometimes and slow at other times you can't trust it to perform when the chips are down. Overtaking is a dangerous situation and if the car just decides to reduce its own output while you're on the wrong side of the road overtaking a truck that is unbelievably dangerous. Contrast this to the hybrid Hilux Brett tested, where repeated and sustained applications of maximum acceleration yielded no change in the vehicle's performance. This is because it's properly engineered, and means it's fundamentally safer to operate that vehicle. The driver knows how the vehicle will respond when he or she needs full power. This thing is typical of the "near enough is good enough as long as it's cheap and has a fancy interior" attitude of most of the Chinese vehicles coming in and it's not acceptable.
@@mahcooharper9577 how much time do you need to overtake? Probably 20 secs. How much time do you need to climb a hill? Probably 30 secs. This hybrid has more than enough juice to last that long. As the video demonstrated, it takes a min to recharge battery to full and its very difficult to get down to less than 50% battery unless you intentionally drain it. In real world, you would always get 80-90% of the power in 95% of the time, that is 7-9 secs of 0-100 which is quicker than any other ute in this segment, apart from ranger v6 which is far more expensive (hilux takes around 10 secs). So I don't get why someone would try educate GWM, a company that Probably spend millions of dollars on R&D of this car and have a team of highly trained engineers why its not producing enough power in those 5% of the time. Every vehicle has some compromises, like I said before, its only designed for majority of the situation and can't cater everything. And what do you mean Chinese vehicles is near enough? Ranger has problems with reliability, Isuzu has the problems with its poorly equipped ute (still using drum brakes at $70k), Mitubishi has its problems with pricing, and well Toyota, still has the interior of an early 21st century car. All of these vehicles are "near enough", I don't see anybody complain about them but try to find excuses why they would do such things.
Excellent review!! Well done! I took a test drive and I found the exact problem with the lift off throttle acceleration. Also the acceleration inconsistency. I so want to get one but these two issues really put me off.
Yep, I think the diesel is the pick for now. There is more tuning and calibration work to be done on this before it should be considered as a worthy option in my opinion.
I have 2024 Haval Jolion and it has one battery too. I agree it is strange, and there is a substantial differece in power with charged battery and flat battery. It is not big problem cause jolion is a compact SUV but I guess for Canon they should have at least three batteries. With road assistant and warnings I don't have any problems. It works. I got many when you look away from the road so I put a piece of paper on top of the interior camera ))) and it stoped (do not do it please)
The reason the sunroof is that way is simply so you can open it as far as you want? It's not that hard to understand why. You hold it down to open it how far and a simple push to close. Pretty much most sunroofs have the same system. you're probably thinking of some that have the extra option of a single click to open. But when your paying so little you can't expect everything the more expensive options have.
That split line on the tailgate is firing up my OCB !! Thanks for the review ! FYI : careful holding your phone whist driving.. can see it in the reflection 5:22
Has anyone done any tests towing, approximately 2000Kg - 2500Kg. I look forward to seeing this on the Diesel and Hybrid version as I'm in the Market for a new car, from a Rexton to a Dual Cab ute and the GWM has some great features. Day to Day drive and towing a camper / caravan on your holidays.
I reckon you should take it for a long drive uphill at full charge with and without towing something and see how long the battery can last till its out of juice and whether the petrol engine itself can handle the climb uphill with and without the load and this will answer the main question indeed.
I thought about that but the camera doesn't really work in low light. It adds artificial light and that would just make the screen look even brighter. I'll keep it in mind for future videos though and try and work something out.
@@mahcooharper9577 Yes, absolutely. There are some strange pulsing sensations. Just like the new MG3. I think that’s the e-motor providing its bursts. It isn’t smooth, like a basic Camry hybrid.
Must admit…. The more I watch about these the keener I become. Do like my x350d but it makes most of the driver convenience specs or newer cars, and here in NZ you’re penalised for driving a diesel with road user charges so 11.1 average won’t scare me. Mines used as a farm car anyway…dosent tow but more into town for supplies. The more I see the keener I become. Ranger wildtrack? No thanks…that PSA group 3.0 diesel has a huge history that ford didn’t fix…time is ticking for those engines. Look into broken/snapped crankshafts once they’ve got a few miles on them is someone’s dragged out a service interval….or made it work for a living
It’s a Ford engine, not PSA. PSA did the DV and DW 4cyl diesels, Ford did the Lion V6 and V8 diesels. That’s how the partnership worked. The Lion V6 was 100% designed and engineered in Dagenham, England by Ford Europe.
Agree. I don't know how engineers are letting it pass. Not just the GWM, but a lot of these new-age vehicles with big screens - they are really bright and distracting at nighttime.
Even if it did run out of battery, which would be rare if you drive normally and don’t live in the alps. This is no slouch… with a charged battery, it’s pretty quick.
@@goldfools5445 Only with maximum battery. As shown, even just dropping down to 60-70% sees 0-100 in 8s - that’s not quick for something with 255kW, judging by the results of over 1000 tests I have done over the years.
@@goldfools5445 yes, and as he said at least you know what you're getting when you floor it so you can drive accordingly. This thing can either be quick or slow depending on the circumstances, and that's not a recipe for safety.
2:13 Which premium brand has a 2litre and is producing 180Kw?! Please can we be consistent and value things as they are. Ford Wildtrack 2.0 litre is 154kw how is that close to 180kw. Anyways the battery issue.. unless it runs out in 30seconds.. overtaking should be fine.. but good you noticed.
An A45 has a 2 litre with 310kW. That's not a ute but it's not like 180kW from a 2 litre is mind blowing. This is much heavier than a Wildtrack. The biggest problem is that it's not consistent though, you can't rely on it to behave the same every time you nail the throttle, and that's dangerous. And it'll only get worse as the battery degrades. Not to mention the fuel consumption is crap anyway - this is underdone no matter which way you look at it.
@@sncreative6308 Plenty of Euro 2.0T petrol engines produce 180kW. The last Ford Falcon EcoBoost 2.0T offered that, back 10+ years ago. I was simply saying 180kW is decent but average these days. BMW 330i 2.0T produces 190kW. JLR has plenty of 2.0T units that offer similar, even the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2.0T when it was offered produced 200kW.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia thank you for the response. In this connect you're suppose to refer to bakkies instead of other car varients, it could be misleading that there are bakkie out there producing 180kw on a 2litre engine. Meaning the 2litre GWM is not that unique or nothing important, hence applying other brands. And you could be seen as biased to other brands. I enjoy your reviews keep it fair as usual 👏
@@mahcooharper9577 If you're reviewing a bakkie refer to bakkies only not other car types. A45 AMG is not a bakkie/Ute as you call it.. The GWM Ultra bakkie can only be compared to other bakkie e.g Toyota 2.8, Wildtrak 2l/V6/Raptor, Triton 2.4 GSR in that line... Not sedans please. How many UTEs with a 2ltr make 180kw? therefore in this context this 2litre is something good, let's give credit where it's due. A 3.0L Isuzu Ute is 140kw but won't be complaining about it? or 150kw from a 2.8L Toyota Ute you won't complain either but now a 2litre Produces 180kw and you're complaining that is nothing to bring about really?
Yeah it's difficult to tell whether it is slipping or if it's the e-motor kicking in and boosting/slackening off. Definitely a pulsing sensation going on.
@@jazzcardashcam Compared with Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi, Honda, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Suzuki, and Volkswagen, yes, it is a young brand. GWM has been in Australia for like, 5 years.
Where are you getting your recall data from? Or are you just making it up because you work for GWM? I can investigate this further if you like and do a separate video to uncover the full stats. If you don’t reply with hard facts and data then that proves you are a GWM worker.
Fuel is accounted for already within the payload specs. However some manufactures only use 10% of fuel tank where others use a full tank. Problen being is it's not advised on how they measure.
@@user-vk4vd7vr5tno it doesn’t, 6555 GCM means this ute can have 385kgs of passengers/luggage plus 350kgs of towball download equaling 735kgs of total payload bringing the gvm to 3310kg (max allowable) with the remaining 3150 of trailer giving you 6460kgs of GCM (within maximum). They have done well with weights on this ute unlike some others, now I don’t think the powertrain would be very happy with 6460kgs of mass but it is legal.
You do excellent reviews, backing off throttle response was a very important find, and the lack of consistency with acceleration very important for consumers to know
Cheers for the review. Having owned this car for a few weeks now, I must say that I have none of the niggles that have been pointed out. I absolutely love it. There are just a few things you get used to, but overall I'm a very happy chappy.
I don't know why people are trying to justify the fact that the drivetrain is undercooked. A vehicle that does not perform consistently under load is fundamentally unsafe. You need to be able to rely on what the vehicle will do when you need it to perform. If it can't do back to back hard acceleration without degrading, it won't be able to pull a heavy load or climb a long hill without the same issues.
And thats only going to get worse as the battery degrades over time.
The fuel consumption is very average too.
Notwithstanding Brett's comments about this vehicle being an early build and perhaps not running the latest software, GWM has the same opportunity as everyone else to prepare their media vehicles properly and if this is the best they can do (inconsistent performance, rattles and malfunctioning systems) it's not good enough.
If you want to buy one anyway that's your right but don't shoot the messenger when he points out the issues. If you want someone to just tell you what you want to hear, go and talk to a salesman. They'll be happy to do that.
Personally I value a comprehensive review that gives the good and the bad. There's not enough of that nowadays.
I am just pointing out a couple misinformation here:
1. You do not need a vehicle to perform with the highest output all the time. In fact, you will strain your engine. You only need the max power occasionally, such as overtaking, climbing up a hill with caravan and pulling away from stationary. They only last for a short period and a hybrid can perfectly do so. Most time driving in city and cruising on highway, you don't need that much power to do so.
2. There are many types of hybrid. Saving fuels is only one type of hybrid. Hybrid can be primarily set up for power too (e.g. F1 cars).
3. Each car is set up that it's a balance of everything, with some areas compromised and some areas excels. The ideal car you mentioned will never exist commercially because it will never be a market, the price will be extremely high.
@@johnsteve1352 you're not "correcting" anything. Nobody is talking about driving it flat out all the time but it's very clear from this test that if you were using this vehicle to tow a heavy load up a long hill it would not be able to sustain it and would lose power.
You need the car to perform consistently, every time you put your foot down. If it is quick sometimes and slow at other times you can't trust it to perform when the chips are down.
Overtaking is a dangerous situation and if the car just decides to reduce its own output while you're on the wrong side of the road overtaking a truck that is unbelievably dangerous.
Contrast this to the hybrid Hilux Brett tested, where repeated and sustained applications of maximum acceleration yielded no change in the vehicle's performance. This is because it's properly engineered, and means it's fundamentally safer to operate that vehicle. The driver knows how the vehicle will respond when he or she needs full power.
This thing is typical of the "near enough is good enough as long as it's cheap and has a fancy interior" attitude of most of the Chinese vehicles coming in and it's not acceptable.
@@mahcooharper9577 how much time do you need to overtake? Probably 20 secs. How much time do you need to climb a hill? Probably 30 secs. This hybrid has more than enough juice to last that long. As the video demonstrated, it takes a min to recharge battery to full and its very difficult to get down to less than 50% battery unless you intentionally drain it. In real world, you would always get 80-90% of the power in 95% of the time, that is 7-9 secs of 0-100 which is quicker than any other ute in this segment, apart from ranger v6 which is far more expensive (hilux takes around 10 secs). So I don't get why someone would try educate GWM, a company that Probably spend millions of dollars on R&D of this car and have a team of highly trained engineers why its not producing enough power in those 5% of the time. Every vehicle has some compromises, like I said before, its only designed for majority of the situation and can't cater everything.
And what do you mean Chinese vehicles is near enough? Ranger has problems with reliability, Isuzu has the problems with its poorly equipped ute (still using drum brakes at $70k), Mitubishi has its problems with pricing, and well Toyota, still has the interior of an early 21st century car. All of these vehicles are "near enough", I don't see anybody complain about them but try to find excuses why they would do such things.
I like your review. I would also recommend a high way autopilot test as well.
I’m thinking that if they don’t add a larger battery as an option, that the aftermarket will step in and do that. That’s not enough capacity.
Excellent review!! Well done! I took a test drive and I found the exact problem with the lift off throttle acceleration. Also the acceleration inconsistency. I so want to get one but these two issues really put me off.
Took the deisel for a test drive today, absolute gem for the price, will be trading the rexton in on one
Yep, I think the diesel is the pick for now. There is more tuning and calibration work to be done on this before it should be considered as a worthy option in my opinion.
Still looking forward to the Shark.
Same!
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I have 2024 Haval Jolion and it has one battery too. I agree it is strange, and there is a substantial differece in power with charged battery and flat battery. It is not big problem cause jolion is a compact SUV but I guess for Canon they should have at least three batteries. With road assistant and warnings I don't have any problems. It works. I got many when you look away from the road so I put a piece of paper on top of the interior camera ))) and it stoped (do not do it please)
The reason the sunroof is that way is simply so you can open it as far as you want? It's not that hard to understand why. You hold it down to open it how far and a simple push to close. Pretty much most sunroofs have the same system. you're probably thinking of some that have the extra option of a single click to open.
But when your paying so little you can't expect everything the more expensive options have.
As always love your work mate 👍
Thanks a lot.
Never knew Brett had a Workmate 😂
That split line on the tailgate is firing up my OCB !! Thanks for the review ! FYI : careful holding your phone whist driving.. can see it in the reflection 5:22
@@__PJ__ Thanks. It wasn’t my phone, it’s a GoPro.
those warnings would drive me nut nowadays better buying a good used car between 2013 to 2019
Has anyone done any tests towing, approximately 2000Kg - 2500Kg. I look forward to seeing this on the Diesel and Hybrid version as I'm in the Market for a new car, from a Rexton to a Dual Cab ute and the GWM has some great features. Day to Day drive and towing a camper / caravan on your holidays.
If I'm driving 100km a day at 100k/hr, are manual DPF cleans going to be unnecessary?
nice ute, best interior in the segment
The shocks still should be tuned properly so it doesn’t bounce like that.
I reckon you should take it for a long drive uphill at full charge with and without towing something and see how long the battery can last till its out of juice and whether the petrol engine itself can handle the climb uphill with and without the load and this will answer the main question indeed.
I have seen other reviews also say the same thing about the infotainment brightness. Wish you would of thrown in a bit of footage at night.
I thought about that but the camera doesn't really work in low light. It adds artificial light and that would just make the screen look even brighter. I'll keep it in mind for future videos though and try and work something out.
Is it just me Brett or does the transmission sometimes sound like it's slipping/flaring a little on the acceleration runs but not at other times?
@@mahcooharper9577 Yes, absolutely. There are some strange pulsing sensations. Just like the new MG3. I think that’s the e-motor providing its bursts. It isn’t smooth, like a basic Camry hybrid.
Must admit…. The more I watch about these the keener I become. Do like my x350d but it makes most of the driver convenience specs or newer cars, and here in NZ you’re penalised for driving a diesel with road user charges so 11.1 average won’t scare me. Mines used as a farm car anyway…dosent tow but more into town for supplies. The more I see the keener I become. Ranger wildtrack? No thanks…that PSA group 3.0 diesel has a huge history that ford didn’t fix…time is ticking for those engines. Look into broken/snapped crankshafts once they’ve got a few miles on them is someone’s dragged out a service interval….or made it work for a living
It’s a Ford engine, not PSA.
PSA did the DV and DW 4cyl diesels, Ford did the Lion V6 and V8 diesels. That’s how the partnership worked. The Lion V6 was 100% designed and engineered in Dagenham, England by Ford Europe.
What a downgrade with an X350d to this 🤢 🤮
Even with the tank 300, the screens are way too bright at night on long drives.
Agree. I don't know how engineers are letting it pass. Not just the GWM, but a lot of these new-age vehicles with big screens - they are really bright and distracting at nighttime.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia100%, the grand cherokee I had was definitely red eye flight compared
Can you test drive a tuned ranger v6 diesel keen to see how that performs
Great idea. I'll see what I can find.
Why are mnf obsessed with large ugly front grills
Even if it did run out of battery, which would be rare if you drive normally and don’t live in the alps.
This is no slouch… with a charged battery, it’s pretty quick.
@@goldfools5445 Only with maximum battery. As shown, even just dropping down to 60-70% sees 0-100 in 8s - that’s not quick for something with 255kW, judging by the results of over 1000 tests I have done over the years.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia it’s quick for a two and a half ton Ute..
@@goldfools5445 there are plenty of utes that are quicker than that, and they behave the same every time you floor the throttle.
@@mahcooharper9577 and there are plenty more that are slower..
@@goldfools5445 yes, and as he said at least you know what you're getting when you floor it so you can drive accordingly. This thing can either be quick or slow depending on the circumstances, and that's not a recipe for safety.
So there’s no regeneration with off throttle? It should back off.
@@kennethprocak5176 It must happen after that.
Hey, do you know if the Shark is coming to Australia?
It is....
2:13 Which premium brand has a 2litre and is producing 180Kw?! Please can we be consistent and value things as they are.
Ford Wildtrack 2.0 litre is 154kw how is that close to 180kw.
Anyways the battery issue.. unless it runs out in 30seconds.. overtaking should be fine.. but good you noticed.
An A45 has a 2 litre with 310kW. That's not a ute but it's not like 180kW from a 2 litre is mind blowing.
This is much heavier than a Wildtrack.
The biggest problem is that it's not consistent though, you can't rely on it to behave the same every time you nail the throttle, and that's dangerous. And it'll only get worse as the battery degrades.
Not to mention the fuel consumption is crap anyway - this is underdone no matter which way you look at it.
@@sncreative6308 Plenty of Euro 2.0T petrol engines produce 180kW. The last Ford Falcon EcoBoost 2.0T offered that, back 10+ years ago. I was simply saying 180kW is decent but average these days. BMW 330i 2.0T produces 190kW. JLR has plenty of 2.0T units that offer similar, even the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2.0T when it was offered produced 200kW.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia thank you for the response. In this connect you're suppose to refer to bakkies instead of other car varients, it could be misleading that there are bakkie out there producing 180kw on a 2litre engine.
Meaning the 2litre GWM is not that unique or nothing important, hence applying other brands. And you could be seen as biased to other brands.
I enjoy your reviews keep it fair as usual 👏
@@mahcooharper9577 If you're reviewing a bakkie refer to bakkies only not other car types. A45 AMG is not a bakkie/Ute as you call it..
The GWM Ultra bakkie can only be compared to other bakkie e.g Toyota 2.8, Wildtrak 2l/V6/Raptor, Triton 2.4 GSR in that line... Not sedans please.
How many UTEs with a 2ltr make 180kw? therefore in this context this 2litre is something good, let's give credit where it's due.
A 3.0L Isuzu Ute is 140kw but won't be complaining about it? or 150kw from a 2.8L Toyota Ute you won't complain either but now a 2litre Produces 180kw and you're complaining that is nothing to bring about really?
If you are going up that long hill you need a BYD Shark much much better.
sounds like an easy software fix 7.1 0-100 blows away the competition
This transmission looks quite fragile, there is still slippage, it seems they would be better off using a ZF 8, 9 speed this sounds terrible
Yeah it's difficult to tell whether it is slipping or if it's the e-motor kicking in and boosting/slackening off. Definitely a pulsing sensation going on.
Could you review the 2017 Hyundai accent let me know if you can
Is the Accent a ute ?
@@mvnorsel6354 no it’s a hatchback/sedan search it up
Where would he get one ? why review a car thats nearly 8 years old.... how about you buy one and review it ? They are dirt cheap....
@@__PJ__ I need a 0 to 100 on it and the accent that I have is broken down
@@mvnorsel6354 no
You get what you pay for.
Tow test
Young brand? GWM has been in Australia for ages.
@@jazzcardashcam Compared with Mitsubishi, Toyota, Subaru, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan, Audi, Honda, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Suzuki, and Volkswagen, yes, it is a young brand. GWM has been in Australia for like, 5 years.
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia They've been in the market for a long time and had less recall or major issues then 90% of the brands you listed lol
Where are you getting your recall data from? Or are you just making it up because you work for GWM? I can investigate this further if you like and do a separate video to uncover the full stats. If you don’t reply with hard facts and data then that proves you are a GWM worker.
Dont forget towball download counts into the payload. 350kg on the ball towing 3500kg…well….
And fuel
@@richardcharlton8259yep so towing 3500kg with a 10% downball leaves 130kg.
Driver is 90kg, that leaves 40kg for the rest of the payload. Hahaha
Fuel is accounted for already within the payload specs. However some manufactures only use 10% of fuel tank where others use a full tank. Problen being is it's not advised on how they measure.
@@user-vk4vd7vr5tno it doesn’t, 6555 GCM means this ute can have 385kgs of passengers/luggage plus 350kgs of towball download equaling 735kgs of total payload bringing the gvm to 3310kg (max allowable) with the remaining 3150 of trailer giving you 6460kgs of GCM (within maximum). They have done well with weights on this ute unlike some others, now I don’t think the powertrain would be very happy with 6460kgs of mass but it is legal.