So, What is Yhwach's TRUE GOAL? - The Quincy King's Plan & Motive EXPLAINED | Bleach TYBW Discussion
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Yhwach is the ultimate villain of Bleach - the Quincy King warlord who leads the Wandenreich in battle against the Soul Society. But what's his angle? What's he actually after? What purpose does The Thousand-Year Blood War have, and how do his goals and ambitions differ from those of the previous main villain, Aizen? Let's take a look!
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What do you think of Yhwach's motivation and goal? Did I miss anything? Let me know in the comments!
I think a lot of the initial vagueness was to keep a fear of the unknown, and when Kubo's health became an issue the focus became keeping the conflict entertaining rather than keeping the story coherent.
Yhwach's goals are, at least, implied through him going to war against everything the Seireitei stood for. While the specifics are not spelled out until the end of the manga, there's enough there to intuit what the consequences of his actions would be.
I have a question please. If zanpakutou are made by layering shinigami souls into asauchi, why isn't the same done using captain's souls? What would these super high tier zanpakutou look like, how do they work differently and how would one earn it ?
He wanted the world's back, because Yamamoto sent most of the Quincy to hell....
I think Yhwach's goal also is tied to the overall ideals of the Quincy. Soul Reapers are tied directly to death and defending the migration of souls after death. Quincy on the other hand focus on defending and protecting life. So by creating a world where death doesn't existence, only life (even a stagnant one) Yhwach is living up to his title as the Quincy King by taking the Quincy defense of life to it's furthest extreme.
I really like the many dualities of Yhwach: Despite being the Father of the Quincy, he cares nothing for his supposed "Children". The one person he seemingly DOES care about, is his own father.
He is the enemy of Ichibe, yet they have similar powers. Both of them have the power to grant and take away the powers of others. Ichibe uses ink and names, Yhwach uses blood and letters.
Yhwach had the power to see the future, yet was so blinded by his own fears so he could not see that the world he wished to create would be one that would suffer from stagnation.
But Soul Society is stagnant, its a civilization MILLIONS of years old that is stagnated in a Sengoku Jidai dystopia, with technology a couple of centuries ahead of our own, when by all rights they should have long become a Type 3 civilization on the Kardashev scale. Earth is a Type 1 civilization, but if humans have existed in the Bleach universe for millions of years, then things are so chaotic that they keep getting wiped out and having to restart. Hueco Mundo is a desert dimension where beings must constantly cannibalize each other to survive, and those who manage that need to wrestle with their victims for control of their soul. Overall, the Bleach universe under the "peace" of the noble houses is pretty awful.
@@KaiserAfiniand Ywach wanted a world where if you died you had no heaven, no hell just endless existence where people turned into hollows from Despair.
@@superiorrule34 well, heaven doesn't really exist in bleach verse anyways. Soul society only acts as a channeler of souls for reincarnation, it's not heaven.
You could say, yhwach had care for his people 1000 years ago. Royd was using yhwach memories after all as he fought Yama. And even in the bazz's flashback, yhwach never punished or killed his men (bazz's town was destroyed by yhwach's army, not by yhwach himself). So, you could make the interpretation that he was on the softer side 1000 years ago. But after his defeat at the hands of Yama, both yhwach and Yama switched their approaches. Yhwach became the ruthless monster willing to kill anyone for achieving his goals and Yama became complacent as the turbulent times became more peaceful.
Change is neither god nor bad. It simply is.
If his actual motive was to redeem his father and punish all shinigami for what noble houses did to the Soul king - dismembering him and in a way humiliating him because they turned a God into a tool that would make him much more relatable because it would show more human and noble yet still twisted side of him. Also him being attacked by Mimihagi would've been seen as a sign of betrayal from his father which would justify him killing and absorbing the Soul king making it tragic in a way. Shame Kubo didn't play more with that concept except with that one line from Yhwach
He absorbed the SK bc Kubo wanted to make him stronger and keep him from winning. The only reason he doesn’t absorb him initially is because Ukitake had to reveal Migihagi. Basically lots of bad writing
SK is clearly not a god.
@@KurokamiNajimi man stop talking bs
@Scorpy666 bro he is or at least was
@@sukuna716 Lmao cope harder bro part 2 of the BW is lowkey one of the worst written arcs I’ve ever seen I go to back to it occasionally remembering/realizing new issues. Remember Ichigo acting like he couldn’t low dif Uryu who’s basically fodder compared to him even before his power up let alone afterwards 🤣 got thrown off the platform as if he can’t fly. Good job Uryu literally helping the villain end the world and it just happens to work out for him bc of plot 🤣 no idea how ppl don’t notice all these really obvious things or ever talk about them and that’s all around the nonsensical plot device nature of Yhwach not immediately absorbing the SK for the Migihagi reveal like holy shit so bad Kubo’s health clearly got to him while writing this arc sad we need a new system
I thought the story was heading towards a reveal that Juha was a piece of the Soul King’s soul. Like maybe the Soul King was angry with what was done to him. So he split off a piece of his soul that was full of his malice and hate and sent it down to earth to one day avenge him(himself?). Since he was only a portion of a soul he needed others to give a piece of themselves in order to gain power.
He technically is through a certain point of view, being the SK descendant.
No dumbass he wouldn't have made them split him up if he didn't like them
@@ashebull123 The Soul King's Final Nut: Yhwach Bach
@@SinHurr instead of final supper, the noble family gave him a final nut😂
@@SinHurr lol so true I wonder which person i so strong to handle him since he was Stated perfect
Kubo’s new interview heavily hints that cour 2 will cover much more than what was covered in cour 1
We hope so
I think the main problem is that we never really knew what his goal was in the manga, until the last chapter , so it's kinda very late development , I hope anime will make it better.
It also got told by someone else what his goal was. he also blamed ichigo for stopping him as if he knew that stopping him was gonna resort to dooming others for eternity. Also ywach was immortal( until the plot decided he was not) so it didn't really make much sense that he wanted to live forever. And he couldn't have done it for his subordinates either cause he used and kill them.
If kubo had more time and wasn’t rushed due to his health, the war arc would have gone for far longer. It was way too short and had too many missing plot threads and ywach’s goal was definitely unexplored
@@gammafrost well he could now, but i doubt anything other than fights and some scenes that adds nothing different to the outcome of this war.
That has been how Kubo did write his villains. We didn't knew gin's motives until his death (as that's when the flashback of gin making the promise to rangiku comes) and aizen's motives are known to us when he's defeated and is being sealed away. Much in similar manner, yhwach's own ambition and goal comes to light as he is defeated by ichigo at the very end of the story.
@@sladew9788When it comes to Gin,his motive was revealed lately due to it being a Plot twist. And when it comes to Aizen,we already knew he wanted to rule the cosmo and his philosophy to Nietzsche's Will to power and he doesnt have a backstory either. On the other hand,Yhwach has a huge backstory and his themes are also lit. Considering Kubo is gonna implement elements from CFYOW and is also expanding the story,Yhwach's character will be fleshed out in the Anime.
6:35 I read something completely different form that chapter honestly. I got tte impression that Yuha Bach was originally a blank slate.
I also got the impression that every time a piece of his soul was returned to him from someone else, the experiences from those people shaped his world view. And since those people had looked at him as a god, he in turn began to view himself as a god.
Good analysis.
i think the whole hell arc put's another layer on his fear of death and disgust of the world as all who are powerful are destined for hell
Think a Lucifer exist in or a Satan equivalent exist. Would even crazier both exit or that to much or 2 powerful.
@@AJ-kt5zo ye there should be as szayel mentioned a warden of hell
Juha Bach is "allegedly" 1200 years old, but I think he's even older than that. Old enough to know about Hell's role as part of Soul Society's funerary rituals...
Spoiler>/spoiler>
It must be sickening for Juha, knowing that Shinigami Captains eventually go to hell where they'll probably become even more powerful.
The thought of the old Gotei captains emerging from Hell to hunt him down must've terrified him. He must know too that Yamamoto, the old Yama, the monster leading that pack of murderers is there too.
Spoiler>/spoiler>
Mimihagi is Hand of Stagnation so of course it tried to protect status quo. So, I dont see it as soul kings essence betraying his son, but just that part of his nature doing what it is designed to do - keep things as they are. Hand of change was on his side and most importantly soul kings hearth was on his side
He wished to bring about the old world where everyone lived without death. The Shinigami introduced death and the cycle of Souls when they sealed the Spirit King and went further by placing themselves on top of this new system, making them usurpers. Yhwach's methods where bloody and Ironically no different than the ancestor's descendants in the nobility for sure, especially what they are willing to do to keep themselves and their way intact.
Are Quincies immortal or at least as long lived as shinigami? We know Soken Ishida was part of Wandenreich and he lived until a few years before the beginning of the series. Other Quincy like Bazz-B and Haschwalth have lived for over 1k years too. Quincy is my fave race so I'm just theorizing
I feel like it has something to do with the shadows. It can't be based on them being Echt or Gemischt Quincy, because even Ryuken and Masaki aged exactly how humans would. They weren't in the Wandenreich tho.
For other characters like Bazz and Jugram it seems like they have barely aged since a 1000 years ago.
To further that theory we see them as kids and just a few years later they are teens. At this point they are still in the Lichtreich in the world of the living. However some time after that they invade the Soul Society, lose and have to create the Wandenreich in the Schattenbereich to survive. In the 1000 years passing, they visibly don't age.
So it definetly has something to do with them living in the shadows of the seireitei.
It's probably to do with them being in soul forms. Since the Quincies are living inside the Soul Society's shadows, they would have to enter it in soul form. Quincies don't require gigais, unlike shinigamis, so that would explain why souken was in wandenreich and then left it for human world.
I find Yhwach's motivation to be pretty interesting, and I wish he was fleshed out more in the manga. Hopefully, the anime will change that.
I personally think Yhwach was a better villain than Aizen with how he got close to achieving his new world and I also think he's better written.
I'd have liked to get more of an idea of what Aizen and Yhwach were planning for the new world they wanted to create, though we kind of have an idea of what Yhwach's would've looked like. This is a fantastic video, Mr. Tommo!
He is much cooler than aizen. But aizen dickriders are loud. They compensate their hate of their low iq by rooting to aizen
It's interesting watching this video after Cour 2, because the recontextualization of Yhwach's motivations *really* kind of dispels the whole 'petty warlord' angle. I've said before that TYBW is really more a story of Yhwach's villain-protagonist heroes journey, we just see it from the opposite side, and the anime is really driving that home IMO.
Whenever I watch your videos, I understand things I couldn't understand or find something new.
Absolutely perfect timing as always MrTommo. Waiting on schedule for every upload!
@MrTommo2304 Okay, so after watching the video, thank you for covering the Mimihagi portion. That always confused me greatly, and I think I have the half of the Mimihagi part that left you Questioning.
Juha planned to release Reio, who would take back his limbs and return the universe to it’s original form, where the King and Prince could live forever with unlimited power (the part you missed). However, all of Mimihagi’s betrayal occurred as you described, and Juha became so furious that he instead decided to absorb Reio and do it himself (the part I was missing).
That’s why Juha didn’t plan on Mimihagi in the first place, and planned that Reio would’ve been so much stronger than himself. Which, given Mimi is at best 1/5 Reio’s power, surely tells us how insanely powerful Reio would truly be if conscious and whole.
Even if Ywach did indeed want to avenge the dishonor done to his father by Soul Society, it's clearly from a rather selfish perspective since a dishonor to his father is one to him. Otherwise, the stronger motive appears to be his fear of death, or more accurately regression. His ideal world has no sense of forward momentum, so he can remain alive and sentient without fear.
Also, saying that Ywach had a point about the flaws of Soul Society is like saying the Nazis had a point about "international bankers". Sure, they can point out problems, but their solutions are actually just worse by design. I think Kubo was well aware of this when he wrote Ywach and the Wandenreich.
This is probably the best summation of both Juha and his motivations. It’s pretty clear from the beginning that the motivations behind his actions are almost entirely rooted in his own self interests.
@@voidtremor6329 Thanks. It's not just that. Another thing I find striking about Ywach and the Wandenreich is that while they purport to be a race of progress and even have a sort of futurist aesthetic, their goals are ultimately rooted in the past. It definitely feels as if Kubo is aware of the historical association between futurism and fascism, and I love that detail.
But the god is so used that the shinigamies has no moral excuse for
@@voidtremor6329 The anime-exclusive flashback did change things a little, but only in the sense that maybe initially, he did genuinely feel the pain of the souls he absorbed and wanted to bring them, and consequently himself, true peace. He just identified the original world as one without death and glommed onto it without understanding that it wasn't this ideal past where people lived without fear. That, and clearly centuries more of absorbing souls and then lying in wait after getting defeated by Yamamoto really destroyed his ability to empathize with and care for others. Still a fascist, but not some monster right out the gate.
Aizen. A man who wanted to lose.
Yhwach. A man who never wanted to lose.
I always though that Yhwach simply feared death and believed that if he controlled the concept of life and death so that he himself would never have to fear death again. He himself was selfish. All things existed for him and him alone.
I see. Quincy's do hate Shinigamis which represents death and given Aizens speech at the end about it that does seem to be accurate
what do you mean by "Yhwach simply feared death" , both aizen and yhwach are fear with death.
Well, we can't exactly say "aizen wanted to lose". It's one of the explanation that we get from ichigo's POV. From urahara's POV we are shown that he doesn't accept ichigo's explanation (because ichigo's explanation of what he felt was sorta flawed). And with aizen's own interaction you can see different story altogether. It's left ambiguous to the reader's to understand what exactly was the reason.
@@sladew9788 thats right, i don't know what kind of ilusion that come to this guy mind, i mean, he say yhwach fear death, either with aizen, and it approve in safwy, he say yhwach selfish, but i think aizen is more selfish if compare to yhwach, aizen steal urahara's complete hogyoku because his hogyoku is failed, but yhwach just took part of his soul, so i can't say it selfish, and many more.
@@User5hdbh yeah, both aizen and yhwach did fear death. Yhwach feared death due to his constant regression every 200 years (he was only able to avoid it about 1200 years ago when he learnt the ability to auswahallen, but he then fell at the hands of Yama and instead of 200 years cycle he had to wait 900 years to just revive himself). Aizen's fear was grounded on the matter that he can't achieve his goals while being a mortal (since defeating Yama in direct confrontation was out of option for him not to mention having to fight the royal guards if he managed to create ouken. If we take SAFWY too, aizen clearly wanted to avoid forcing to engage in a drawn out battles especially against zaraki and Yama until he had fused with hogyoku).
The original bleach world was basically elden ring. No death. Just existence.
Yhwach's entire life, his motives, his personality, character design, powers, are just so so so amazing. He is surely one of my favourite villains of all manga & anime if not my favourite. 👍
I can see why people like Aizen more, him being better written and maybe with a cooler personality, but I'll never get tired to say that Yhwach had A LOT more potential. I wish Kubo dedicated more time to flesh him out, it would've turned out amazing.
One thing that makes them notable is that they do not hide behind pretenses or excuses, it's out in the open and they make their goals perfectly clear. This sharply contrasts Soul Society's nobles, who claim to be honorable yet happily stab each other in the back with assassins in the dead of night.
I wish manga studios werent basically slave drivers risking the health of their creators for money.
lol are you really comparing with Aizen who is a known character since the first arc? Yhwach only appeared in this last arc as the true "final threat" Obviously Aizen has more fans, and in terms of writing Yhwach has even more than Aizen.
@@felipez3115 Yhwach doesn’t have anything his personality is generic and he’s a forgettable one dimensional character outside of a cool design, being successful (which really only happened bc it was the final arc) and powerful. Aizen has more mystery around him than Yhwach. Kubo literally said he has a backstory but he didn’t reveal it because he doesn’t want the audience to have empathy for the villain. His reaction to the SK being the opposite of Kisuke is more interesting. Ichigo explained that the reason the Hogyoku rejected him was because he subconsciously wanted to lose. That because he only felt loneliness from his blade and that if he was blessed with great power from birth maybe he was searching for someone who could see things from his prospective but gave up on finding that once it became clear no one like that existed and perhaps he wished he was just a regular Shinigami. After all Aizen intentionally kept helping Ichigo increase his powers. Which makes it interesting when he says Ichigo is hard to forgive for “defeating” him. It seems he himself is unaware of this contradiction within him. His character revolves around somewhat of a god complex, as he tells Ukitake he will stand in heaven. He could have won if he really wanted to because that goes back to the philosophy of being at the top all alone is boring
His goal isn’t different from Yhwach’s from what we’re given, some just assume he was gonna replace the SK I think it’s pretty clear he planned on the world’s returning to their original state. The difference was their motives, Aizen’s being a bit more vague
While I do like Aizen better. His goal was also very vague when he was the main villain. Feel like thats Kubos main pitfall when creating his villains.
Honestly he gives off a very Nihilist vibe as a leader without proper context, of his goals and I think THAT's one of the reasons his actions are misunderstood we aren't given proper Context to this man's Genocidal Madness..it's that lack of context, a PROPER Explaination of Yhwach's motives his End Goal and WHAT follows after which is what caused all this confusion in the first place. It's like he was introduced into the series half finished.
Nice
Theory:I think yhwach says it quite bluntly in his first appearance he dislikes conflict and thinks shinigami and soul king are blame for extinction of his kind and how world ended it up way it was -in my opinion
In short story, world without death
You’re awesome, dude!
Tommo did you see the interview with Kubo and Viz? He confirmed a completely new never before seen fight coming in the next cour!
This info was only officially translated now. But we knew this since December/January. He already made a video on that some time ago if you want to check it out
@@uraharakisuke1329 Oh wow! Wonder how I missed that, thanks lol.
Yeah, it needed more time to cook because it is kinda heady and esoteric imo and kinda tough to explain and get straight forward for an audience
I felt much like how Aizen and Urahara should've had a longer conversation/debate in his fight. I felt Aizen and Yhwach should've had a longer conversation/debate and it could've been a nice character beat for Aizen because that last line by Aizen when he went back to Muken is when it was clear to me what the actual argument was and why he was "wrong"?
6:28 meaning he wanted to be Liu Kang but with self pervasive motives.
🤔 Ahhh I just realized Yuha wanted to be the next Elden Lord and remove the Rune of Death from the Bleach world... Thats metal...
From my understanding Yhwach's goal was always to restore the worlds as one.
In order to do so, he first he needed a mighty army. Also, he needed souls to absorb to live, get stronger & finally achieve his goal. 👍
It would be cool if they make a movie or short series spin off about Yhwach's childhood seeing how his father being turned into the soul king by the great noble families and how to world of Bleach universe got split into 3 separate dimensions.
Bleach has a wonderful way of writing the main antagonists. While Aizen is leagues above most, Yhwach is no slouch either once everything is all said and done. Yes, he’s a tyrannical jerkass God but when you look at what he set out to accomplish, he accomplished it in spades up until the final push. Aizen might’ve been more fleshed out and just more personable, Yhwach is great for almost the same reasons. Old man Zangetsu is an aspect of Yhwach, he killed Ichigo and Uryu’s mother, and he’s actively trying to avenge his father while being deathly terrified of returning to his original state of being. It’s kinda tragic in the smallest ways, but he’s such a dick that you brush it off for the most part.
It seemed to me that Ywach was afraid of death. Its ironic that his mortal enemy was shinigami. It seemed to be he wanted to destroy the soul king to dissolve the barriers around life and the afterlife and wherever Hueco mundo factors into that. He thought the destruction of all three worlds would be worth it because there would no longer be death. Everyone would live on a plane of existence beyond heaven and hell. Idk if that’s true but it seems to me he wanted to stave off his own death.
This video is mandatory!
I know u sometimes talk about hypotheticals, could u ever talk about a power up for chad that would put him on par? Id like to hear ur take.
I never thought about it like that but not only did Yhwach lie to the Quincy about soul reapers who most likely would never have a reason to attack them
He made this so much worse for them giving soul reapers a reason to do what he lied about
From my perspective he is the good guy - or at least - least bad. Gotei hold reality as hostage just to ensure their own grip on power. Ywach wanted to punish them for their sin against the god and to topple their perverse order held together by his lobotomized father.
I’d love to see a “What-if” video on what would’ve happened if Yamamoto survived
What if Orihime healed his lost arm?
Honestly it wouldn't have helped. Once his Bankai was stolen he just kind of... gave up.
I like stuff like this dude keep it up. Side note I've got head cannon that aizen has a piece of the soul king in him and that explains his power
Ofcourse he has the hogyuko contain a fragement of the soul king
@@deathmark1940 is it the shmeat of the soul king? Aizen is kind of a dick
@@snowman7970 Yhwach is the Reio's dick
Yhwach wanted to absorb the power of the Soul King and use it to crash the boundaries between worlds in order to create the deathless "paradise" that existed before the current status quos. This would be the Quincies preferred state of being. His motives, and the story behind the SK make the Bleachverse a bit more grim dark. There are no heroicn or good guys. Just factions with opposing views and objectives. The separated worlds of the shinigami are not objectively better than the eternal life of the Quincies. Soul Society is stagnant and stratified, and so is eternal life.
I was almost certain I was going to see you post a video about the new bleach trailer that was 3 minutes with the song... guess not.
14:35 so unless this has been outright stated as fact I’m going to strongly disagree with this statement, now granted we don’t exactly know how he ended up the way the soul king did but I have to imagine that someone as strong as he was if he saw the soul reapers as his enemy they wouldn’t be alive long enough to be his Enemy.
Think about what happened to Ichibei when he fights Yhwach and considering the power level jump as you get more eyes I think I can safely say that if the soul king didn’t want this to happen (him been “”bound”” and mutilated) I don’t think there was any single person or group that could have forced it upon him, so if he considered he Shinigami to be his opponents they would have been completely obliterated, basically it’s like someone saying the ants nest in my garden is my enemies they are an annoyance maybe even an inconvenience but they’re definitely not my enemy, I could at any time completely eradicate them and I’m no where near as powerful as the soulking he could and maybe still could alter the fabric of space and time with a thought.
I feel like there is still so much mystery surrounding Yhwach. The novels did a great job at explaining why he would hate the current state of the world. But so many of his feelings remain in the darkness, I feel like more Yhwach flashbacks and expansions would be my favourite addition of all time to an anime adaption.
How did the Quincy get so much information on the Shinigami prior to the invasion...?
Because the Quincy were literally hiding in the shadows of Soul Society, they could pretty much listen in anyone they wanted. It's the reason why Myuri made that special room in his lab, as well as those glowing clothes for him and Nemu. With no shadows to use, the Quincy were unable to infiltrate his lab, hence why Askin was only able to appear outside of it, rather than inside.
I wonder if the anime will provide us with a glimpse of the primordial world? I'd even take a split second still image of a torrent of chaos, just any kind of visual would do wonders.
Time for another conference by professor tommo on the grand plans of the quincy God King
In the end, Hachi's words about Barragan apply to Yhwach too.
"In the end, it seems you shared the same concerns as most mortals. A desire to avoid aging coupled with a great fear of death."
He's someone who desperately wants to avoid death, we see this when he even consumes his followers, solely for his own benefit, he doesn't want to remove death for others, that's a side effect, the primary objective is to avoid his own death.
Its almost like you when you mention
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CFYOW is not necessary for understanding Yhwach's motivations.
I always understood Yhwach's goals to be destroying the Seireitei and returning the universe to its original one-plane state. The separation of realities is why death exists and also why the Shinigami hold any power whatsoever. They've instated themselves as immortal masters of reality, literally using Yhwach's father's corpse as a lynchpin for the corrupt hierarchy they've built. Of course it's personal. Of course its revenge. It's also more than that, too.
I've always preferred Yhwach to Aizen. Aizen's goals of sitting the throne of heaven felt like lofty, unrealized anime villain goals. Wanting to rule the world doesn't really make any sense. It's not something any person can really identify with and Aizen doesn't come across as someone who wants power for the sake of fulfilling any sort of personal desire. Wanting power for power's sake is nebulous and lame. Aizen never expresses the sort of order that he'd establish as God, either--one can just assume that it'd be less corrupt than that of the Shinigami. Compare that to Yhwach, who wants to return reality to what he understands as its proper state, to unseat a militaristic band of criminals and banish their dogmatic enslavement of all life. That makes way more sense to me. Tell me that there is no conscious God and I don't really care that the throne is vacant. Tell me that death only occurs because a few hundred assholes LARPing as samurai made reality that way so they could enjoy immortality while the rest of us suffer, yeah, I'd probably want to do something about it.
You expressd how I feel about Ywhach perfectly
@@uraharakisuke1329 ❤
Hey, tomo I have a question. I've been thinking about Ywach's and Ichibei's powers and they arent that different from each other at all. Ywach gives and takes power through blood and letters while Ichibe does it through names but not just powers, ichibe took away ywach's abilitiy to speak and see which might even go a step above ywach's powers especially when you consider that Ichibe has the power to erase you from the reincarnation cycle which is something only quincies can do to hollows. The more I think about it the more I feel like they do have similar powers with the only difference being that Ywach has the Almighty
I mean after yhwach became the soul king I’m not sure he has the problem of reverting
In a way I can see how ywach felt betrayed by the act of the original sin done to the soul king so that’s sympathetic in a way but he’s still a genocidal maniac so you take your pick.
Genocidal against who? Hollows - literal soul eating monsters? Shinigami - usurpers and force propped up by eternal suffering of his father? If you think about it there is no mention of him going after civilians in Soul society, just attacking Gotei 13.
How would Yhwach have been the Soul King's son when he was born way after the Soul King was maimed.
Glad to have some pieces connected so his goal was a little clearer. It makes more sense than it did before at least. The only thing I really have against the guy personally is his ability to rob Quincys of their powers. It's one thing if he gave it to them himself but another if they were born with it. Though I see a plot hole if he lost this ability.
another reason I think Yhwach absorbed his father was Ichigo and their future fight
had Yhwach not empowered himself with Mimihagi and his father, than Ichigo might have beaten him
question. What if Aizen won? would anything bad have actually happened? He had no real desire to destroy the human world, he never really even spoke that badly of the soul society, He just wanted to be on the top.
The speculation on this would be worth its own video. We'd have to start by defining what it would mean for Aizen to "win" and whether he was even capable of achieving his goals if he had defeated Ichigo at the Battle of Karakura Town. If he was then able to 1) enter the Royal Realm, 2) defeat Squad Zero and 3) kill Reio - would he then (not being part Quincy) even be capable of replacing the Soul King as "lynch-pin" of the current universal balance? Or would that balance have collapsed once he killed the Reio no matter what Aizen did to try to stop it?
@@megalictis9002 Aizen planned to devour Ichigo according to the translation I read. He would have done it rather for everything and with sk and using his newfound strength to hold the border between the worlds.
Have you ever thought of doing a video on the Bleach pilot chapter?
One thing dose not make sense doh. The soul king also foresaw the down fall of he’s “son”…. Head canon for me is that ichigo is the true son of the soul king. And yuhaw is the false messiah. Since the last arc was inspired heavily by jewdo Christen believes.
Both want to destroy the status quo for petty sentiment
Finally got to the video without being like 6 hrs late like if u normally get to vids late and comment if y'all get on vids early
First :)
I think your community is full of bloodborne fans, the retrospective as well as the "Lies of P" video being the two most watched ones on the game channel. Just confirms what I already knew : This community has fine taste ladies and gents !
Here’s hoping part 2 will give a more explanation of Ywach’s goal
But if they do that then part 2 has to be 2nd and 3rd cour combined
I interpreted Ywach's motivation as a perversion of the Abrahamic concept of paradise. He hated the circle that the Shinigami created, I circle of suffering in which no place truly gives souls rest. His goal was to destabilize the world, first by purging hollows and then by killing the Soul King. This would destroy the world's that were created eons ago so that he could create an eternal heaven with the clean slate. That's how I interpreted his goal.
Actually, the original world was still that hell where you either find strength in yourself and live in eternal peace, thereby achieving bliss or turning into a hollow from despair.
I’m just realizing that because Aizen allowed Ichigo to be born and Ryuken to clap cheeks, he ended up saving the entirety of Bleach 🤯
It was all part of Aizen's master plan!
All according to cake
I wonder if Yhwach absorbing and becoming the soul king stalled his plans since he was effectively the new linchpin at that point which restabalized the worlds
I think maybe because the right hand was in Ukitake that it was able to grow to embrace the soul reapers maybe had it been in almost anybody else in the soul society it wouldn't have felt the same way
Never noticed the mugetsu hairstyle is from yhwach.
Excellent foreshadow to add to your point.
Also mugetsu eyes become red to. Similar to yhwach
I preferred Aizen motives. He wanted to be a better leader then the soul king. Changing the future of all races and carving a new path. Ywatch on the other hand just de stableised the 3 worlds and made no sense in what he wanted to achieve at the end. He also didn't care about his quincies. I feel Aizen would have kept the balance to some degree.
What will the future hold
How will I be rewarded
Have I the right to riches
In a world where there are no prizes...
12:28 "I see no reason why they would attack the human world unprovoked."
That's not really true is it? They did exactly this despite Yhwach being gone and his Empire being destroyed. Yamamoto was absolutely an evil monster 1,000 years ago trampling over his own men if it meant victory. Prior to Yhwach the Quincy were scattered bands and tribes. Yhwach unified them into one giant Empire and took over a large swathe of the world. This would mean the mass-extinction of Hollows in a short timespan which would absolutely threaten the balance. The official Quincy history from Souken's diary also alludes to this.
Quincies didn’t exist prior to juhabach lol they All come from him also your view on “evil” is interesting do you not understand that the balance matters at all times if the balance is disrupted the universe is tossed into chaos lol yama wasn’t evil he was ruthless
Weren't the Quinces threatening the balance of the worlds and the quincy refused to listen which is why the shingami attacked them in the first place?
I agree, the threat of Soul Society attackingcthem was ever present
@@Hellos2372 Actually, this would mean that the whole world built by them on the bones would collapse.
I don't fully know the history behind the soul king but I assume he has a counter part which will be shown in the hell arc.
We know that hell existed even before the 3 worlds. So I always had a theory that the Soul King was originally born in hell but then decided to help the people in the primordial world and thus leaving hell and dedicating himself to protecting the other world.
This could also be the reason why the 5th noble house was so afraid of hell opening and taking over the other dimensions. And they wanted to use Reio's power to basically seal the lid of hell.
I do have a question concerning this; if Yhwach's goal was to create a new world (or turn the current world back into its original version via a collapse of the Soul Cycle) why did he continue to hold up the balance of souls even after absorbing the Soul King? He also just sat around and fought Ichigo and let the remaining Strens fight off everyone. I have my own explination, but I'm asking to see other viewpoints.
I want to hear it 😅
@@RaulHenriquez25 Not really out for explaining it in precise detail, but it would basically be that maybe Ichigo and company would've somehow been a problem for Yhwach in the new world thus he upheld the balance to allow for his subordinates to eliminate them in the current world. You'd also have to argue for Yhwach not being strictly a man based in reason if not heavily influenced by his feelings which is why he sat around while the remaining Sterns to fight off everyone else; i.e he was driven by a real "I am the emperor thus I'm above this" attitude. This would explain a lot while making his goal clear and consistent.
Ichigo: “Typical Quincy. Big promises, but all talk.”
Yhwach: “What?!”
Ichigo: “All you care about is wasting your own soldiers and committing genocide. You’ve got no principles, just like all the rest!”
Yhwach: “Alright, the truth then. You’re right about one thing: I do like genocide, and sacrificing my own men. Wanna know why?……….I HAVE A DREAM!”
Ichigo: “…..What?”
Yhwach: “That one day, every soul in every world will live without fear of death. The land of the Truly free, Damnit!”
You have my metal gear rising with a revengeance
nice
Hell arc
Ichigo: Your right your not crazy...YOUR BATSHIT DELUSIONAL!!!!!!
Nobody likes the aspect of having *Death* awaiting them in the future. Yhwach's goal, to end the cycle of death, was in a way relatable but flawed. He needed more character development along with the Quincy origins (Thousand Year fight). Maybe a goal to restore honor and pride to the Quincys along with the mistreatment of the Soul King would have been more better.
Instead of being killed off, it would have been very interesting and symbolic if Barragan had a part in the final fight with Yhwach. The King of Huecco Mundo, whom resembles death and has a power reminiscent of death, would have something to say to Yhwach.
Who is barragan?
@@carlli4000 Segunda Espada and former king of Hueco Mundo.
He is based on The God of the Bible. God will destroy both heaven and earth a create a new where the chosen will all live together granted eternal life. Just my head canon lol
Is he supposed to be Yahweh?
Its almost like whenever we talk about Ywhach we gotta mention Aizen at some point
It would been really cool if Yhwach's plan did succeed in the end and won rather than the cliche generic ending we got. I remember most fans were wanting this because of how bad the ending was lol.
I’m glad that wasn’t kubo’s opinion , ichigo has this big journey throughout the series only to lose in the final battle , that’s kind of a shitty ending . Just because we were miserable and depressed doesn’t mean the main characters have to be .
@@bqw2094 Yhwach should have been some sort of anti hero that went after SS. Either way, the Bleach ending was not good.
@@Unbearable_Truth the final chapter was OK as an epilogue , the real problem is that shitshow of a final battle . At the time I understand why fans wanted ywach win at the end because they would rather have that cliffhanger ending instead of the cliche ending( I use to think it was just fans being petty and bitter ) , but sometimes what you prefer isn't the best outcome , this was still a shonen that went in for over a decade, kubo did right by not ending it with the bad guy winning .
@@bqw2094 Fair . Just wish it all 5 war potentials vs Ychwach stolen BANKAI in all😅
@@AJ-kt5zo ok so a number of fans expected the five war potentials vs ywach to be the big final fight , i knew that wasn't gonna happen . Now ichigo and aizen fighting side by side was a guaranteed thing , but kubo fucked that up by having ichigo confront ywach with his only ally being orihime , not even for a second did I think ywach was gonna lose that fight and waiting to damn long to break aizen from that chair. Kubo was rushed but he set up that fight all wrong , we didn't need that despair stuff , kubo could uave had a fully powered ichigo and a free aizen fighting ywach in his throneroom and they eventually be joined by uryu , ryuken , isshin , ginjo and tsukishima . Ginjo and tsukishima might feel random , but if tsukishima could get close enough to cut ywach , he could learn about his powers and possibly find a weakness . What's sad is that even after all that , ywach would still have to be finished by that dues ex machina arrow , but at least we would get a actually badass final battle before it happens .
I assumed he just wanted to watch everything burn 🔥
Also are there multiple dimensions separated for each soul society? Because we saw the one shot with the soul society west branch. If they exist. What was happening to them during all this? The only thing that makes sense to me is that they’re soul society’s that exist in other dimensions or other times. Only way I can make it make sense as to why would society never got reinforcements
We need to see Grimmjow in the hell arc, v egeta syle
This should be interesting, when I think ogle ywach , I see him nothing but a Gary Stu villain with a bunch of bullshit god powers and the generic “ make the world his bitch “ motive .
Who is ywach?
Thats because you are a you dislike bleach and you didnt cared about him
This video helped me realize this character has a little more depth than "evil spiritual Nazi god". Thanks for making this :)
I notice you always refer to the original 13 as a group of murderers, but only Yhwach actually calls them that and the series has consistently taken the stance of both sides in a war are evil. The Gotei 13 working for Central 46 and not the other way around says Soul Society is not entirely based on the power of the captains despite having the Dynasty Warrior aspect turned to 11.
This was an interesting videos looking at things from a prospective I never considered but I think the honest answer is just that he absorbed the SK because Kubo planned it from the start as his final power up. The reason he doesn’t do it immediately is because then Ukitake doesn’t get to reveal Migihagi and if he kills the SK there then he wins. It’s all basically a poorly written plot device. The arc is filled with a lot of bad writing which makes sense because we know the author’s health was at its wits’. I’ve always seen it as Yhwach assumes what the SK wants. Gerald and Perinda are his pawns carrying out his will so they’re not really a good testament to the SK hating the Shinigami. The SK willingly let all this happen implying after all. When the excess power attacks the Shinigami it’s not because that’s the SK’s will, it’s because it’s Yhwach’s as the new SK. Logically Yhwach absorbing the SK makes no sense, it’s counter productive to his plans. He has to assume he can still reshape the world’s with the SK’s power which there’s no reason to believe. The SK didn’t just snap these worlds into existence, it was the nobles using his power in some sort of ritual. We never get to see Yhwach even attempt this, the most we see is him covering the Seireitei in energy merely claiming he’ll reshape the worlds. There’s no reason for him not to just do this immediately if he could. I don’t think he absorbed him bc of feeling betrayed, he absorbed him because he wanted more power. He only decides after Migihagi attacks him and absorbing it. Absorbing his father isn’t really any different than killing him far as we see and killing him isn’t exactly freeing him. Freeing him would be just undoing the seals. He was trying to kill him because that’s how the worlds would collapse
I don’t like Yhwach as much as most fans, I just see him as a disappointing nonsensical character who had potential. Him wanting to make everyone immortal contradicts what we see in part 1. His introduction is literally killing underlings just because he feels like it. When he says I don’t like conflict it’s meant to be taken as irony, not a foreshadow. Then goes onto murder 1000s of Shinigami. It’s even explained that he lives for war as that’s how he doesn’t revert back to a blind helpless infant. Which poses a problem. If he was successful it means he revert back to that. So was he planning on sacrificing himself? I think not it’s just a plot hole. You also have to question did he plan for anyone undoing what he had done or the world falling into chaos once he regresses back to being helpless. He should at the very least kill all Shinigami strong enough to make a difference first right? Why did he kill the Stern Ritter? Shouldn’t he want some loyal servants to uphold his new world? His Almighty creates plot holes too, that ability obviously wasn’t in mind in part 1 of the war. Heck I wonder if it was even in mind up until it was revealed. It felt like he just wanted to give the villain a way to own the main character who otherwise logically should have been stronger than him at that point. Many don’t realize how strong Ichigo really should be when he was already Squad 0 class before his buff (emphasized when Kirinji praised him for reacting and injuring him when taken by surprise. He regained the power he had before using FG which was twice the reiatsu of a captain just like base Aizen possessed) and has 4 races as his source of power. SK Yhwach was afraid of him even before he went Bankai which is why he activated the Almighty at that point
I feel like it makes sense for Yhwach's goal to be more fluid than Aizen's - specifically _because_ of the fact it's more personal. He likely has complicated feelings about all this that would ebb and flow along with the events of the story and in turn impact his actions
I'd argue his reasoning for wanting to return the world to its primordial state as being a being from that era he may find the world the shinigami made useing his father along with the cycle of life and death as unnatural and disgusting.
Who cares about what Yhwach wants, what I want is Yhwach’s mustache
It really is a glorious mustache.
@@kamikazelemming1552 Mustache almost strong as the Almighty 😂❤
and to think everyone fell in love with members from the gotei...whole time they were actually the bad guys.
it's awesome that Yhwach became the new soul king after his defeat by Still Silver. The fact that Yhwach is now serving the former role of his father as Lord of the worlds is just pure poetic justice lol. It might even mean eventually Yhwach's own son from the human world will be found, and absorb enough souls to emerge and free Yhwach him and take over soul king duties like Yhwach did. And that Yhwach sees this fact and allows himself to serve like his father did "in humiliation" waiting for that day lol.
That's pretty cool, or who knows what will happen in the distant future, but Soul king Saw that far, and we know Yhwach has too. Maybe Yhwach will just be soul king Forever because he can see the world he wanted to create would stagnate. And so he maintains the current world instead. Or maybe everything to take place since Ichigo passed through the gate from Wahrwelt was fraudulent lol, and Yhwach is just waiting until Ichigo's happiest day in the future to tear down the false world and destroy him lol. I mean Yhwach did literally promise that would be the case lol so it's basically unprovable whether or not that's actually what happened based purely on the manga alone
No matter which way it goes Yhwach is just the best lol
Frankly I'd like a clear layout of how exactly the Soul King is his father. Soul King been in that ice cube for a long, long time, and Yhwach doesn't seem like he predates the creation of the three realities.
@@SinHurr Soul King clearly has the ability to shape reality like Yhwach does. But aside from that we cant possibly comprehend how a god would reproduce lol. Human reproduction where you get a male and a female together probably isnt what happened but who knows maybe that's literally what happened lol. Maybe Soul King hooked up with Soul Bae and created Yhwach the old fashioned way but it doesnt have to be clearly explained because again Soul King and Yhwach are gods. They are so far above everyone else the manga literally describes them as having the powers of omnipotence and omniscience. So how beings like that produce children is something beyond our comprehsion. Its enough that we know Soul King has a son and Yhwach is that son who inherited the Almighty from his father lol. The specifics probably arent that important. I guess it could matter if you believe the theory that eventually Yhwach's son will come free his father and then be defeated and take over and that this cycle repeats lol. But honestly while that theory is cool i tend to view it as an offshoot theory, like the idea that everything in the end of bleach was fake and is all just Yhwach preparing to punish Ichigo on his happiest day as promised. Cool theories that can't be debunked but also cant be proven.
@@ExtraVictory Your right he did explicitly give or gave that ⚠ warning to Ichigo and company. Off ✋hand thought soul-king 🎉 shoot 1 out or got it own with a soul=bea before he was mutilated and 😮sealed 😂.
@@ExtraVictory Let Reio fuck tho
@@SinHurr by the way if you read chapter 620 you can see Yhwach refers to Mimihagi as his father. Because it's part of soul king. So he accuses it of abandoning it's son. This is one aspect which answers the question you asked about how exactly Yhwach is the son of soul king. We know he has to be a literal child of soul king because a soul fragment like Mimihagi, the right arm of soul king, is still considered to be soul king. As opposed to Mimihagi being like a brother to Yhwach if they were both both part of soul king or etc
For all of his power, Yhwach was still afraid. I feel that was his motivation to accomplish his goals, and that his goals were secondary to his motivation.
I'll be honest I like yahwach he has potential but I feel like he was never fully thought out till way later in the show and even then I think kubo wrongly decided to just keep him an enigma for the mystery aspect but tbh I think it went to far he revealed close to nothing about this character till way later which makes it hard to latch onto him as a villain imo
Tbh I don't think Yhwach's motivations are that hard to understand. Your first "theory" is the right one imo. This was the final arc. SO we needed a villain who would be complete antithesis of Bleach's themes and ichigo himself. Don't you think if it was Ichigo from the start of the manga, he might have sided with Yhwach's motivations? Ichigo was not happy cause he could see spirits and was unique. But in Yhwach's world, there will be no distinction between death and living. Ichigo was so traumatized by his mother's death. That's why he was aimless and that loss affected him quite a bit. But in yhwach's deathless utopia, there would be no more loss. Still, ichigo, in the end rejects stagnation. he rejects a world with no change in the lieu of boundless possibilities of the future. And in the future, you will lose things. You will have awful painful experiences along with joyous ones. But that's life. So Ichigo denies eternity. He has grown from his experiences. Death and loss has been haunting most of the Bleach cast. But in the end, they learn to move forward and live a life with full sincerity towards their goals and ideals.
Ofc I would have loved to get more in the manga. But I think Kubo did a decent job given the condition.
so Ywhach and the soul king are really one and the same. The original suspended state of Ywhach is no different than the state of the soul king
Personally, I like Aizen's motivation more than Yhwach's.
One of the most desired things for us humans is freedom. But we are always being ruled by someone over us. Be it our fathers, our boss, our government. Aizen's story is the story of someone who hated being ruled over and had the power and means to be free.
Well considering before the worlds are divided shinigames don't exist so, it's make sense that the soul society never will let its happen, not only tgus but before the qorlds are divided people need Yhwach to fight back the "demons" (hollows), the spiritual Gods (former noble houses suposedly) don't give a fuck about others, when Reio apears and the "nobles" discovered that trhogouth him they can gain control over the world, they did what they did.
Everything changed when the minihagi tried to save them. They didn't explain that at all lol. That event literally completely changed the story
Like what sasuke said to naruto, he is gonna destroy all the village and from that ash of past villages he will create a new village where is like dictatorship sort of government
What I really want to know is how did they come up with the pronunciation of Yhwach to begin with?
Is it some correlation to German or something?
All I am hearing is Yuha Bach. 🤣
I feel like the Shinigami would have totally attacked the lichtreich---a global quincy empire killing off hollows threatens the balance of all three worlds.