I've seen were Fitzjames was the 3rd/4th choice, with Crozier being the former/latter. In either instance Crozier WAS officially offered the position and "graciously declined." After all that Franklin was asked. This is the first time hearing Crozier was skipped due to being Irish. While it makes sense for the era; my statement still stands. 6:45 Also, he Commanded HMS Terror on both, the Ross and Franklin Expedition. Erebus was commanded by Ross and then Fitzjames.
Not then. Canada had only just been created as a complete entity at that time and had a relatively small extent. If it had been Canada the Northwest passage would already have been discovered.
@TheNelster72 well, then he might as well have said "above the United States". The reference to Canada makes no sense. The Province of Canada existed but there was a lot of British territory to the north of that which eventually become the Dominion of Canada if you want to be formal about it. "Canada" in terms of a state by that name was well to the south of the area under discussion. And some of the Arctic was surprisingly well mapped outside of the Northwest Passage around that time. It was just that last little bit that was unclear.
Amazing story! I'd heard the Stan Rogers song and youtube recommended me this video. Thanks so much for telling and uploading it! It was a bone chilling tragedy full of adventure and mystery!!!
Franklin made very very foolish decisions, he was not qualified and the admiralty thus failed in their task as well. It is ironic that such intransigence of Franklin’s occurred in John Barrow’s time whose comprehensive reforms in the navy included less hard line thinking.
Some say they would start to be running out of coal, by the time most of them abandoned the ships. Inuits did go aboard one of the ships at some point, found corpses and a fire still going, some other sources say inuits went aboard one of the ships while people were still alive, the Englismen is said to have black faces/black skin and one of the officers urged them to leave, that they were not safe there(prob due to insanity and cannibalism going on)
"They were living on Bach"? Hmm. Sophia loved English seamen? Hmm. Lady Franklin covered up that her husband died with another man's meat in his mouth? Hmm. RCMP? Weak. "Completed the Northwest Passage"? It should read "Completed their lives searching for the Northwest passage". 40 lbs. of chocolate on the sled? There must have been a mutiny. Did Canada sue England for all of the litter?
wow, better than every documentary. no background music, no clips of netflix series, just great
I wish, there was more like this on TV. Sure, scenes of modern documentaries look cool, but often times they also become shallow.
The person who made this definitely old schooled😂
I don't mind the other videos but I appreciate this presentation. Many inherently videos repeat a lot of the same stuff.
It's called college.
We sailed into the Erebus and Terror Gulf of the Weddell Sea on the tall ship Europa in 2020. It was a far off the grid as I have ever been.
This was really cool! Are you planning on posting the next talk about the French Naval Officer? I'd love to hear it.
Without doubt the best lecture/documentary on this subject. Thank you
I've seen were Fitzjames was the 3rd/4th choice, with Crozier being the former/latter. In either instance Crozier WAS officially offered the position and "graciously declined." After all that Franklin was asked. This is the first time hearing Crozier was skipped due to being Irish. While it makes sense for the era; my statement still stands. 6:45
Also, he Commanded HMS Terror on both, the Ross and Franklin Expedition. Erebus was commanded by Ross and then Fitzjames.
"Above Canada" -- all of that area is part of Canada.
Not then. Canada had only just been created as a complete entity at that time and had a relatively small extent. If it had been Canada the Northwest passage would already have been discovered.
@TheNelster72 well, then he might as well have said "above the United States". The reference to Canada makes no sense. The Province of Canada existed but there was a lot of British territory to the north of that which eventually become the Dominion of Canada if you want to be formal about it. "Canada" in terms of a state by that name was well to the south of the area under discussion. And some of the Arctic was surprisingly well mapped outside of the Northwest Passage around that time. It was just that last little bit that was unclear.
@@timmorrison4117 Agreed on all that. That's just what I thought he meant that's all.
Right.
No one cares… Canada sucks. Also no it’s not all Canada. A lot of it is native Inuit land.
What's the name of the CZcams video wherein the Royal Canadian Mountain Police haul the boats?
Where exactly is this Ytube Mounted police recruit boat pull re-enactment?footage l can't find it!?
Amazing story! I'd heard the Stan Rogers song and youtube recommended me this video. Thanks so much for telling and uploading it! It was a bone chilling tragedy full of adventure and mystery!!!
Their lasts hours for all of them must have been horrific...
Whenever I think my life is hard, I just try to imagine what these men suffered and suddenly my problems seem like minor inconveniences
Outstanding recreation of events.
Is there a link to the recreation of the boat pull by the officers ?
Damn, that story about the mounties put things into perspective.
"Inuit Indians" 🤣
That was amazing. I learned new details I didn't know yet. I look forward to the LaPerouse speech.
Franklin made very very foolish decisions, he was not qualified and the admiralty thus failed in their task as well. It is ironic that such intransigence of Franklin’s occurred in John Barrow’s time whose comprehensive reforms in the navy included less hard line thinking.
They probably brought all the unnecessary items to trade with Indians
Agreed. Imagine a comb or mirror or chocolate to a native. I've always thought those items were carried for trade
Although the books wouldn’t be much use for that
@@nickchambers3935 You can burn books on a fire when you run out of wood and don't want to chop into the sleds/boats.
I think Lady Franklin is a bit of a villain.
great video. what is the name of the CZcams of the reinactment of pulling the sleds across the ice?
Unfortunately, it has been taken down. It was produced by the RCMP
@@RetiredAfloat oh bugger ty for the reply.
we promote our people by merit not by birth . . . . . as long as your not Irish.
Because fuck em that’s why
Bet those inexperienced trappers who wanted to turn back would've been HANGED. They were probably already hung.
Thank you!
Dying of dysentery
I don’t know if Franklins Grave will ever be located. It’s perma frost ground.
Was there enough coal to heat the ships for years using the steam engine boiler
Some say they would start to be running out of coal, by the time most of them abandoned the ships. Inuits did go aboard one of the ships at some point, found corpses and a fire still going, some other sources say inuits went aboard one of the ships while people were still alive, the Englismen is said to have black faces/black skin and one of the officers urged them to leave, that they were not safe there(prob due to insanity and cannibalism going on)
@@WaffenSSTotenkopf Or disease.
@@TheNelster72lead poisoning not disease.
@@noobovsky420 Lead poisoning is disease. However, that's not the widely accepted cause of their deaths now.
Lucky bus travelers.They saw Sri Ram jee.
"They were living on Bach"? Hmm. Sophia loved English seamen? Hmm. Lady Franklin covered up that her husband died with another man's meat in his mouth? Hmm. RCMP? Weak. "Completed the Northwest Passage"? It should read "Completed their lives searching for the Northwest passage". 40 lbs. of chocolate on the sled? There must have been a mutiny. Did Canada sue England for all of the litter?
36:37 come on...
True though
I think he was offended by the innocent little joke. iT's sExIsM
True, but the chocolate joke was incredibly lame.
Even the women in the audience laughed.