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- How to Achieve Smooth Performance in MSFS with Auto FPS Tools | Top 3 Free Options!
Searching for the ultimate solution to eliminate stutters and achieve optimal frame rates in MSFS? Join us in this exciting video as we walk you through the top 3 auto FPS tools available for free on the market. We provide step-by-step instructions on how to utilize these tools, guaranteeing an immersive and smooth flight simulation experience. Don't miss out on this must-watch tutorial for all MSFS enthusiasts! The fps tools that we will be discussing today are Auto fps, Dynamic Lod reset , Smooth Flight. All 3 tools are great to help keep your fps under control and smooth out your gameplay. However each of these tools will achieve this task in different ways. I do recommend that you try all the tools as you may have a different experience using each tool. My personal fav is the dynamic lod tool but this one takes a little more know how by you so that you will be able to set your lod's properly. Let me know what tool you prefer in the comments below. Make sure to like and subscribe to the channel and share with your friends. A very big Thank you to our Captain's Club Members for your monthly support and thank you to all of our subscribers and commenters!
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-sites.google.com/view/meeshtr... Smooth Flight tool
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00:33 why use an auto fps tool
00:53 Todays video contents
02:18 Auto Fps tool
06:42 Smooth Flight tool
13:14 Dynamic lod tool
21:13 Credits
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Before I comment the three add ons mentioned in this video (and before I explain why I stopped using them) let me tell you that I've tried everything in vain to reduce stutters in MSFS since SU14. Unintentionally I became kind of "MSFS stutter expert".
Only some of the things I tried: Rolling cache on vs. off, DX 11 vs DX 12, clearing DX cache, messed around with cache settings in the NVIDIA control panel (when I was still using a 3080), moved to a AMD card (RX 7900XTX) this time messing around in AMD Adrenaline, excluded msfs folders from AV real time scanning, optimized my SSD performance, extended the Windows page file, tried several options back and forth in the "Gaming" section of the Windows settings, changed several settings of my internet connection, optimized CPU settings in the BIOS, etc., etc., etc.
Conclusion:
THE ONE type of stutter does not exist. There are MULTIPLE categories of stutters:
1.) Stutters caused by GPU limitation:
Almost not relevant in MSFS. You will not perceive them. Neither on a 3080 nor on a RX7900XTX or similar. Forget about your GPU in MSFS on a well configured rig and owning a mid to high range GPU.
2.) Stutters caused by internet bandwith limitation:
Relevant. Streaming Bing maps data and photogrammetry data demands low latency and high bandwith (My estimate: min. 150Mbit, better 250Mbit).
But even if you did everything possible you can that gives you a perfect internet connection you are still at the mercy of MS/Asobo servers. And they perform some days well and some days bad.
If you're struggling with low Internet bandwidth, turning the rolling cache to ON might be an option for you.
3.) Before explaining the most important point "CPU limitation" in 4.) let me tell you that there are still stutters of unknown provenence, not fitting in one of the other categories mentioned.
In a situation where you have enough GPU/CPU headroom and constant high FPS, strange type of stutters can still occur. (One example is moving the camera in the cockpit vertically on currently high FPS when looking through the front window in specific scenarios. When the view is crossing the horizon, stutters of unknown provenence occur. Might be caused by loading and unloading objects into the sim in this situation. To reproduce it, spawn on EDDK, Gate 18D. Look into the direction of the airport and move the camera up and down. You can lower the TLOD and OLOD almost close to zero and stutters will still occur. Strangely this does not happen, when rotating the camera horizontally.)
4.) Stutters caused by CPU limitation:
Most important point. MSFS is mainly limited by its main thread, which is running on a single CPU core. Even on a high end CPU you will find one core always busy close to 100%. LOD has the heaviest impact on CPU load of all graphics settings in MSFS.
So reducing the LOD on high CPU load and ramping up LOD on low CPU load (this is what the three tools explained in the video are trying to achieve) would be the optimum approach in a perfect world.
If there wasn't cause Nr. 5.).
5.) Stutters caused by external software accessing MSFS parameters:
Although I fully agree that a dynamic LOD solution is a must in MSFS and I would have expected MS/Asobo to implement this feature themselves into the sim, I stopped using Dynamic LOD, Auto FPS and Smooth Flight after testing all of them. The reason is, that new kinds of stutters are introduced each time one of the tools adjusts the LOD level. Either calls to the Mobi Connect lib are causing this or the LOD change in the sim itself is triggering something.
Btw. Tools like Little Navmap (flight planning software), FSLTL (real time traffic tool) and others are causing stutters as well, when polling parameters from the sim. So this is nothing special related to the Dynamic LOD tools.
Don't get me wrong. Being a software engineer myself I totally respect the work that went into these tools and please give them a try. They can help to reduce the CPU load introduced by LOD, but they won't help you with other categories of stutters and are potientially able to introduce new types of stutters you did not suffer from so far.
Happy simming!
I too have become the "FPS/Stutter" guru, not by choice. ; )
@@badwolfsat5
😂Let's hope our common anti stutter career ends with the introduction of MSFS 2024. Hope is the last to die. :o)
Thank you for this comment
@@kkizle6357👍😃You're welcome.
I also noticed more stutter when using auto FPS and the likes even at high fps. Stop using them acutely gets smoother although lower fps on the ground due to consistent high lod setting
AutoFPS hands down has been the best for my setup. o7 12600K, 128GB DDR4 and 3080Ti.
Thanks for the comment and your insight on the tools.
Thank you so much for the video, my friend as usual a great one.
Your welcome buddy hope it helped 😀
Great video. This makes things a lot easier. Thanks!
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍
TIME STAMPS! Thanks! You just moved into the top rank of CZcams videographers. And this one is marvelously helpful.
Thanks so much 😀 I'm glad this video can help . I thought having all of the tools in one location instead of having multiple different videos on each 1 would make it easier.. thanks for the comment 👍
Watch all his videos. You’ll put him at the very top by far. Easily the best CZcams videos I’ve ever watched for finding those programs and things that have helped me immensely.
@@TeamSethRules I'm a subscriber. I appreciate 2020 fs'ers and have seen almost all of his videos, but, for me, one isn't "top-tier" in this business until he provides his subscribers with time stamps. It's the final touch that shows appreciation for subscribers and consideration for the fact that many of them simply don't have the time to wade through a bunch of information with which they're already familiar.
I'd like to advise anyone in the Microsoft Flight Simulator Forum NOT to discuss any of these mods there. Even saying something like, "The Dynamic LOD mod looks pretty cool" will get the moderators' attention. They'll delete your post and issue a CoC violation warning.
There is talk about Microsobo including a tool like this in FS2024. In fact, SU15 is rumored to include Dynamic TLOD in the Xbox (but not PC.) It's OK to discuss that. Just don't discuss the mods.
FYI, a new AutoFPS version dropped yesterday that some significant changes, such as a smoother TLOD automation algorithm, a much more expansive non-expert mode and an optional auto target FPS feature.
Hey thanks for the info .. yes I saw that sux I made this video a day before the update lol.
I use Smooth Flight in VR. I’m very happy with it. It does work very well.
Thank you ... I appreciate the info .
Auto Fps is my choice. I come from Dynamic LOD and I've found that autofps is the simplest and fastest way to have it working in parallel to msfs. I'm in VR using a 7800x3d and 4090.. With this amazing tool I've been able to set some forgotten Settings to High/ultra and the shadows to 4K. All this with Quest 3 via Virtual desktop (80hz / 40fps ASW). I am so happy with the performance now that I don't longer worry about settings. And believe me.. having a 4090 means nothing to the sim sometimes 😅. Great video like always. What I want to share with your subscribers is that I'm overriding resolution via openxr toolkit to 4800xXXXX up to 5800xXXXX depending the scenery and I get Pimax crystal like results.. (well, 90% of the quality maybe)
Thank you very much for your insight and your settings I'm sure it will help out others. Thank you for the comment 👍
I’m not sure how is AutoFPS working if you lock framerate with ASW? I found with ASW it simply left fps at lowest setting after take off because FPS isn’t changing (because it’s locked) … right? I use Dynamic LOD and it works a treat with ASW. Maybe I am missing something here ? 😳
Sorry,what is AWS?
@@sociocrispino ASW - async spacewarp … fake frame insertion … works very nice for me but it’s very much a personal choice because of artifacts.
thks sir ! nice video !
Thank you 😊
Have used them all and I find smooth flight as my best because it works really well in VR for me.
Thanks for the input 👍 🙂
Pleasure. I got up just now here in Australia and am watching your video as I type. I agree with your assessment of the three and dynamicLOD is most customizable but I find for me I can see in the distance the TLOD changing all the time. Maybe it’s my internet here here in OZ but as much as it does all this well that puts me off whereas smoothflight doesn’t do this, it keeps it more smoother I guess. I fly both in 2D and more VR nowadays especially with how beautiful virtual desktop has made MSFS for me. Just watched the A380 sneak peek. Oh wow how good will that be in VR.
That's why I always tell people to try everything and not to listen to 1 person tell you what to do . I like to show all the information and let you the consumer decide what you like best..
Hey. I just want to thank you for. God bless you
Your welcome.. thanks for the comment 👍
I would like to see a feature that lowers grass and bushes setting to low when in cities and lower buildings to low when in the country since you don't see much of them in each location and it seems to help when i make these adjustments based on my flight plan.
Yeah I never thought of that but sure that would be very nice .
Actually over the last day I'm beginning to realize that the OLOD and the TLOD have the most effect on CPU which is where my bottleneck is and now i have a lot of my other settings like trees, buildings, bushes and most other settings on high or ultra in the case of trees with no performance hit. I think it would be more effective if autofps and the like could detect the ratio of object to terrain and adjust the upper on each accordingly@@2020fsers
The moment I upgraded to a 4080 super paired with my current cpu a 5800x3D I stopped tweaking the sim and use desired presets that came with the sim depending on what and where I fly.
Better hardware isn’t always the solution but it can make a big difference.
I've been contemplating the 4080super or wait for the 50 series cards .
Excellent explanation, as always. What are the risks in its installation and for the SIM? Can it be uninstalled without affecting the SIM?
Yes it can be Uninstalled simply run the installer again and select uninstall. Thanks for the commment
Great videos you are producing. Question: I’ve seen videos suggesting to set the fps to half your monitor refresh rate. Do you have any comments on this suggestion?
I'll chime in before the author. I've used this method almost since the day MFS was released in Aug., 2020. In Nvidia CP, i set my 140Hz monitor to a refresh rate of 60Hz and then enable Vsync in the sim at 50%, giving me a constant frame rate of 30. I've essentially never seen a stutter in 3.5 years because, given a highly competent GPU, the frame time of 33.3ms is always long enough for the CPU and GPU to render the next frame. I have never found that frame rates >30 give me any better experience than locked at 30, but they DO lead to STUTTERS.
The point of my reply is that this method limits me to using Dynamic LOD/Reset. It works very well, but the other two programs do nothing because they chase FPS, which in my setup never changes -- FPS stays rock-solid at 30 everywhere (low over a large metro area or at 20,000 feet over water), even if I have two instrument panels popped out onto auxiliary monitors. The setting you ask about is a marvelous one, but it limits you to only one of the 3 dynamic-setting programs, which is a good thing.
Thanks for the comment . This question is really on a case by case basis. I recommend to try everything you can and not listen to any 1 person as you will get many different answers. Personally I don't limit fps but I also use vr mostly . On monitor mode I do use vsync as it smooths out my screen tearing . But I keep it at 100 %monitor refresh rate and it does the trick. I am never really limited by mainthread in vr it's always gpu limited . My preference is the dynamic lod tool as I don't want my system chasing fps. .I know what visuals I wanna see at certain altitudes. And I know what my computer can handle as far as LOD levels. So I would rather have higher f. P. S
And a standardized LOD level at certain altitudes Then have my computer try to chase an FPS giving me more level of detail, but I never have that great of FPS hope that makes sense.
@@2020fsersthe latest version now includes VR profiles. It’s not clear from the documentation if the tool detects VR mode and moves to that profile or you have to tell the tool what you are in. I’m confused I guess.
Latest version of what tool?
@@2020fsers Sorry, Dynamic LOD
Hey, pal.. Sorry, but do u'll talk if this works in VR?? I'v tried but prefer my usually graphs
Latest AutoFPS version is 0.4.2 with a lot of change maybe you can do an update video with most recent version
Yes I have tried it. All of the settings are about the same as the previous(there are some new tickboxes) the dev has all the info on the gitgub on the settings so I'm probably not gonna do another video on it .
Tried smooth flight. VR is smooth but nothing is drawn in the distance.. everything is flat, cities pop in. Just a trade off to get smooth flight lol? Maybe because I had Lod lower limits set to 10 I think?
Yea that will do it . The tool is only as good as the person programming in the setting limits lol. Up that to 50 on the lower and you will be good with that as a low to start with .
With frame generation, I get >70 fps, and usually >90fps all the time but I still get situations where detail just pops into view. I attribute that to my i9-9900K system with DDR4 memory (also RTX4070ti and 3x32” monitors running in NVidia Surround) just not being able to process the data fast enough and get it to the video card. Any ideas or do I just need to rebuild what was supposed to be a high end system for MSFS per 2019 MS guidelines…
Thanks for the comment . Popping in textures may also be an issue with msfs especially if you use photogrammetry. Try to fly the same flight without photogrammatry and see of you have the same issue. Also 1 tip on pc build people often overlook when you need fast bus speed is the motherboard. Don't cheap out on the mb or all the other hardware will not be able to operate at it fullest. You have a solid system 💪
What is the consensus on the best one?
I personally like the dynamic LOD tool. But that's because I also know the capabilities of my system and I have tried different LOD levels at different altitudes. So I know what I personally like for visuals and I know what my PC can handle.
So instead of having my computer trying to chase an FPS I would rather have a higher f. P. S rate at different altitudes and if it does go lower. I have the small FPS adaptation section that I can use to help increase my frame rate. If it does drop below a certain fps. you ask everyone, you'll find multiple different reasons for why they like the tool that they like. So that's why I really say you need to test all of them and see what works best for you..
Do you run only one of these tools or can you run two at once?
Only 1 tool can be used . Cannot run 2 at once
AutoFPS is too good to be true.
However, when I run AutoFPS, enjoy one flight and return to the world map, I get a CTD after a few seconds.
If I exit AutoFPS after the flight and go to the world map, the CTD does not occur.
However, when I launch AutpFPS from the world map for a second flight, the CTD occurs again soon after.
Stress....
That is a strange thing that happens. I'm not sure of a solution for that. They did update the mod yesterday you may try the new version
How do these utilities interact with OpenXR toolkit? I still have the toolkit installed and can access in-flight with the usual ctrl-F1-F3. Should I be doing this, or should I uninstall the toolkit?
So many moving parts with this sim.
They don't interact with the openxrtoolkit . You don't need to uninstall the toolkit . You'll be fine .
@@2020fsers So does that mean I can use the XR toolkit as usual? I AM using it in conjunction with AutoFPS, but my concern is/was that it may be defeating/competing/overriding what AutoFPS is doing. For example, the toolkit has a 'target FPS' setting, so how does that setting interact with AutoFPS?
@imacmill the target fps does not interact with auto fps. Use the openxr toolkit as usual . Unless you are limiting your fps in the toolkit which target fps does not .
@@2020fsers OK, thanks. I'll go with interoperability...until I hear otherwise. :)
If you were gonna go the route of limiting your FPS via the open XR tool kit or the nvidia control panel Then the tool I would use would be dynamic LO. D. The reason is that tool does not chase f. P. S and you can set a desired LOD range at certain altitudes.
Good afternoon, a special question, a free addon came out to simulate 2000 and 3000 dll series cards. Do you know anything about it?. Thanks
Are you referring to this
czcams.com/video/Mejhtc9IJVA/video.html
@@2020fsers Yes sir, I am referring to this video, could you please send me the complete video if you have it available for this addon, so that I can follow it step by step? Thanksssss
Sure here ya go
czcams.com/video/5uKp4Cn1M3Q/video.html
@@2020fsers THANKSSSS
I keep getting this error message "Exception 'System.net.WebException' during DownloadFile" when I attempt to install either AutoFPS or DynamicLOD. Any suggestions?
Im not sure about that .. maybe contact the developer and ask them I'm sure thay have had the same issue with others . They may have a simple solution for that.
Install or download? If download, usually Chrome is just being overprotective and you can push through any warnings about dangerous downloads. Alternatively, you can use a different browser like Edge. Also, make sure your AV program isn't blocking it.
Does not download ,Install button is grayed out and Error: Exception 'SystemNet.WebException' during DownloadFile
Possibly an antivirus software, causing it. Turn off antivirus and try again or any firewall.
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Thank you
excellent video, it increases the FPS from 40 to 52, but at the same time the GPU temperature shot up, from 70 to 80 degrees, how can I lower the temperature? Thanks
Any of these shouldn't Increase Temps. Turn the program off and try it again without. If you need more cooling you can set fan curves in the msi afterburner software
@@2020fsers Thank you very much for answering me, could you show me how I modify the cooling curves?
Thanks for your teachings
Sure here is a overclocking video I did just skip to the fan curve section
czcams.com/video/I4jAQ4gMY9I/video.html
@@2020fsers Thank you for your kindness, in your experience and credibility that you have in your teachings, would you recommend me to overclock, my card is a 3080TI I have an Intel Core i9-12900KF processor
I have more stutters with AutoFPS
Yeah I am the same I use the dynamic lod tool.