We Run M18 Fuel Hammer Drill Tests Milwaukee Pipeline Didn't!
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- We test the new Milwaukee tool's Gen4 M18 FUEL ½” Hammer Drill/Driver (2904-22) in ways we couldn't at Pipeline 2022. We show you drilling and driving test of the new Milwaukee M18 fuel hammer drill in a comparison with the Gen3 hammer drill. All of the drilling and driving tool test is information Carpenters, electricians, plumbers, HVAC Technicians, trade professionals, and contractors will want to know before buying these Milwaukee Tools. We Ran M18 Fuel half inch Hammer Drill Tests Milwaukee Pipeline 2022 Didn't and now we know why!
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Try the gen4 again while cancelling the anti kickback feature.
(Just put the reverse/forward switch in lock, the press the trigger 5 times : a red light will blink telling you that you have cancelled the anti kick back)
I’m sure that it will perform even better on that kind of test.
Well it looks like Gen 3 in both impact and hammer drill are equally as good if not slightly better than Gen 4. It’s why we need these VCG construction tests! Cannot wait for the M12 comparisons.
Thanks Team, we appreciate it. M12 coming soon
The m12 is an upgrade in every way. I have the new m12 kit and both are better than the gen 2 m12.
@@VCGConstruction Gen 4 might be hotter because you were pushing really hard to try to get that auger bit in deeper.
Personally, I want the autolock feature...
I was more interested on the M12 as well mainly because I feel M12 Fuel Hammer drill needed an update to improve on it. Seeing how others were releasing more compact tools, I started to feel the M12 hammer drill was a little on the big side.
I’ll stay with Gen 3, after seeing this Comparison. I was so excited about getting gen 4, but not anymore after seeing this video. Thank you for not being biased and keeping it real.
No joke glad these guys do unbiased tests I was excited to get gen 4 as well I have went through 2 hammer drill function m18s in 3 years it’s sad
kinda sad i bought these but my job bought em for me,kinda wished i got the gen 3 cause my coworker is a big dewalt guy lol
Seriously...you guys are a gift to the internet. Thanks for what you do! I'd be embarrassed if I was milwaukee
The problem is the anti kick technology: it is rubbish. :). In fact unfortunately the gen 4 is kind of crap
@@johngregory662 yes but dewalt has anti kick and the dcd999 with flex volt beats the gen3, at least at my job. My dcd999 outperforms my coworkers gen3 with any tasks we've done. It sucks because I was really hoping Milwaukee would blow dewalt away with the gen4 so I could swap out my hammer drill but after seeing tests like this I guess I'll wait.
First you would have to be chinese - Milwaukee was bought 17 years ago by TTI from HK, China, that also own brands like Ryobi, AEG/Ridgid, and others.
Thank you for the review! Love to see the honest and true testing
I have the gen 3.5 combo kit and just purchased the gen 4. I didn’t buy it for more power, I bought it for the Tri lights, huge difference in light coverage and color. In my opinion I’ll never need more power than what either generation offers. Both are amazing tools.
100% trilight is superior. Had older dewalts at work that had TL. So good. I'd only go G4 if my G3 died because of the lights. I'm like you and will never need that much power. If it ever do, I'd get a dedicated hammer drill/ hole hawg
Honestly love the reviews. Never biased and always honest. I’m a huge Milwaukee fan and have a bunch of their tools but the m18 gen 4 has been a little disappointing. Watching your vids since I was a teen! Love to watch.
The Gen 4 is not REALLY running hotter. Vince was putting much more ass into it. Thats why the battery was hotter too. More amps went thru the tool. But like I've suspected there is very little difference in performance. Milwaukee is usually very honest about their specs. In an ideal scenario this tool may output 200 more inch lbs. but in everyday usage it would be hard to differentiate.
that and he did gen 3 first and it got a chance to cool down while he was drilling with gen 4
Jimmy looking good. Looks like you lost a little bit of weight. Always good to hear from Jimmy on the show. Hope all is well with the VCG Family. God bless everyone 🙏
Thanks Joseph!
Excellent, real review. Thank you. It proves newer is not always better.
I ❤️ this Channel !
What's up Vince and the VCG gang members. Picked up the new Milwaukee protective arm sleeves last night. There cut level five but look really nice for doing work when having short sleeves. Only cost $20 dollars bought them as a birthday gift for myself. Have a good day.😎👍🇺🇸
Great comparison and honest assessment of those 2 products.
Thanks Ron, appreciate it!
Hey Vince ,
As electrician, on residential.
I drill ton of holes and I like to use the gen 3 only when I’m drilling overhead on Heights for the anti kick back .(one key)
And for my experience only the 8.0 batteries are the best for this drill.
But after some amount of holes the drill overhead. And it won’t work until cold down .
So I normally use my super hawg
But for what I saw 👀 the 4 gen was kicking with the 5.0 .
I’m assuming that with the 8.0 , is a beast .
Love your testing processes! It gives me better information to make my decision when choosing tools when you do your thing. I am usually cautious abouf trusting marketing from manufacturers and 5 star reviews by people who don't provide detailed info like you guys do. Keep it up.
Thanks Michael, glad the video is helpful! 👍🏻
We all expected Milwaukee to bring it with this one because Flex’s hammer drill is a little more powerful. Apparently all they tried to do was add a little technology and didn’t do a good job. They failed big time here
Vince hardest working man in the business. Thanks Vince & Jimmy I won't be upgrading to Gen 4 I am happy with both my Gen 3 impact & Hammer drill
With most drill bits and especially one that long you should be backing it out to get the sawdust off the bit. Even if you were using an electric drill. If you don't it causes the bit to get hot and packed with sawdust,burning it over time
Gen 3 already produces a good amount of heat for the work load it's given, I've had mine thermo out a few times on high demand jobs. If gen 4 runs even hotter and underperforms it's predecessor, then why even bother with it. Between price and performance of all the Pipeline 2022 tools, it leaves something to be desired for me. Great video!
Thanks for the test really looking forward to the m12 gen2 vs gen3 tests
i am very happy that i got gen 3 before i even know that a gen 4 is comming
Haven't used gen4 but these gen3 results are what I've seen in field. She's still a beast
Basically, Flex Turbo with SL batteries, Dewalt Flexvolt, and Makita XGT are all more powerful...got it!
I think the clutch is where it feels different. The gen 3 has the electronic clutch vs the mechanical in the gen 4.
I was thinking about buying the 2904 and selling off my 2804 as used but this video convinced me to just hang on to my third gen
love the real test thanks for showing us the truth about these so called better tools
I just pick up the 2997-22 with Gen 3 Hammer Drill and Gen 3.5 Impact Driver and it was a great deal. Wouldn’t even be disappointed if the Gen 4 took it up another step.
"lets not let a few facts get in the way of a good story" lmao im gonna steal that little bit from you and put in my toolbox
I just picked up the gen 4 (2904-20), I’m 69 and like the autostop wrist savor, I’ve had wrist injuries from drills (mostly corded) before. When you get old you try hard to avoid injuries as they take a long time to heal.
great test. wow that last long drill bit was tough.
Wow I can’t believe that but that good flex tools very hard 💪🏼⚡️
I would get the impact driver. Having the tri lights is a huge help!!!!
Спасибо мужики!!! Вы помогли мне с выбором!
Nice One Vince 🤭😎
Considering they're using regular xc 5.0 batteries and these are newer fuel tools that can take advantage of the newer 3.0 and 6.0 high output batteries I wonder if using these batteries would yield different results. I would think the gen 4 would take more advantage of the better battery cells since they've had more time to adopt and optimize the better battery tech
The last test, the gen 4 drove the drill bit deeper and that alone took more work time and therefore had more time to develop that temperature differential
Please do this with the M12 impact and hammer drills Gen 2 And Gen 3
Both of these are impressive. These two, gen 2 and 3, are approaching what the old standard - 1/2" chuck corded holdshooter has been doing for decades. The holdshooter will destroy your wrist before it will stop turning.
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Not noticeable enough for me to want to go out and get the gen 4. But being an electrician I use my M12 drill driver more often. And comparison of those models would be much help!
TTI may not like it, but the VCG Crew would LOVE to see this extend to testing the new M18 drills using their High Output 21700 M18 batteries to see if they perform as close as the XC5.0 18650 batteries for VCG...and please do this with M12 as well now that we also have HO 21700 M12 batteries.
We need that triple light on the hammer drill Milwaukee please
If it wasn’t for this test I’d probably would’ve already placed my order for a gen 4 drill set
That was a well done test. I think they should have an override to turn off the auto-shutdown in case you need the torque. Or maybe have it turn off when the auxiliary handle is attached.
They do, press 5 times on the trigger
@@ggamerguru5266 Oh cool.
@@ggamerguru5266 do you know if you have to do that each time or does it stay off until you switch it back?
Thanks guys for a wonderful video. What do you recommend for car tire removal, and my pick up truck? And battery?
I’d go high torque impact 5ah or bigger
Vince, I can appreciate going balls out with the auger bit, but- you got to clear out the hole every so often, the chips are building up and slowing the cutting of the bit- not so necessary when drilling a standard joist but for the app you were using it for- got to clear the hole
Is the tourqe safety thing something they can add in the one-key gen 3's?
How do these drills drill on 1/4” plate?
& schedule 40 pipe?
The gen 3 is well known for trigger issues, and is even seen in this video. I’ll take gen 4 simply to avoid that.
gonna keep my Gen 3. will wait for a revision of gen 4 and see if they correct the over sensitive wrist saver. As it stands, i went with gen 3 new M12s though. those are great!
I have the Gen 3 M18 Fuel impact
I will be keeping it for a while
Especially after Milwaukee just sent me a brand new one-key replacement
Double bearing updated version of the Gen 3 and its not much different In power compared to gen 4
I can’t wait for all the gin three still go on sale so I can snatch them all up…Team Milwaukee…
Best thing about gen4? Gen3s are gonna have some hellacious deals!!
Looks like Dewalt for the Win!!
I hope that gen IV hammer drill you guys tested, is a pre-production model.
This is why I said there should be a override button if you add safety to a tool. I noticed the same problem with the M18 SDS Plus I got. I would like to see an override button. Gen3 drill only tell I see override button added. Maybe gen4 on impact driver if the collet is any better.
Exactly, all high powered drills would stop with that stupid feature
Press the trigger 5 times in neutral position and it turns the auto stop on and off.
@@yorselrus1996 There is an override. This was also using the 5.0 batter, not any of the better batteries that bring significantly better performance, and using the auger like an idiot.
Are those weight specs accurate? Is the gen4 really 4.9 lbs compared to 3.2 lbs for gen3? That seems like a drastic difference for such a similar tool. That's a 55% increase.
Thanks Vince I'm stick with my gen 3 for now
In Bosch GSR 18V-150C you can turn of kickback control.
Very nice
Very few demonstrations of the 150C on the internet, possibly due to supply issues
@@mattschiele8080 more in Europe. I have ocasion to test it. It's a beast!
@VCG Construction Kind of disappointed after seeing both the impact and hammer drill in action on the non-staged tests at the NPS. Not sure they are even worth the upgrade. I would expect a noticeable difference between generations considering they had a few years to do so but looks like this is just minor improvements. Appreciate these videos though keep up the good work!
If the trigger and chuck are improved like Milwaukee says they are then I’m buying them both tomorrow (if HD doesn’t sell out of them by tomorrow).
Only thing I don't like about the fuel drills is that when under heavy use they seem like the plastic casing is going to fall apart. I can feel the flex and the seams of the plastic opening up when I'm doing rough ins on electrical work.
My my.. not sure what to think about this. How about trying a high output batt?
I wonder If milwaukee is leaning towards a new line of battery
my gen 2 just died, so i was on the hunt for a new one, didn't even know there was a gen4, i've watched about one terabite of tests between them, on a avarage the gen 4 seem to outperform the gen 3, but they seem to be really similar, i went with the gen 4 just because its the newest, but in all honesty, i would have bought a new gen2 if they where still making them, to this day the power of that thing amazed me
Overhead drilling is good test
Can we switch off Auto stop like Bosch latest hammer drill
Jimmy, your channel is really coming along brother. I still ha e no idea who this Vance guy is, but its your channel bro, Invite who you want I guess 🤷
Thanks Clint appreciate it,
Thanks again,
Jimmy
Thank you, I do my best. Working on getting the locksmith out ASAP so that this Vance guy cant crash my parties anymore!
6.0/8.0 High Output batteries can do 1620W (2 Rows x 45A * 18V) while the none high output such as the XC5.0 can only do 720W (2 Rows * 20A * 18V). That is why the high output batteries are worth their cost. If you compare to the High Output 3.0 you still get 810W output (1 Row * 45 * 18V).
I notice with some of the newer tools, it seems maybe the old style batteries can’t handle the current draw and shut down.
Cannot believe this video is already a month old
Can a gen 4 drill do 2 9/16ths with a high output battery in speed 2?
You can turn off the auto stop put the Direction selecter switch in the trigger lock position and pull the trigger 5 to 6 times
Can you measure the temps of each drill immediately after the run? Running the Gen3, then running the Gen4, then measuring both for temp at the same time gives the Gen3 time to cool down while you’re running Gen4. I suspect the actual temps are much closer if not the same. 🤔
I was thinking the same. Plus he really dug into the V4 and not so much on the V3 and that makes a difference in the heat department.
Maybe should have tried the hardest drilling things with 6 or 8 ah High output batteries, maybe it would have made a difference especially for the gen 4, I can imagine new tools being sold with those as a requirement at some point. But great test, I am in need of a new drill, and i want it to be powerful, willing to move battery platforms from Milwaukee if necessary to get it! I am hoping flex gets a gen 2 soon.
The new gen 4 still comes with the old batteries lol
Solid tests. Thank you sir. I'd say it's obvious why the gen 4 was running much hotter with Vince putting his weight behind it in speed 1 a lot more than with the gen 3. I like my gen 3 but the chuck locked up after only a couple months. Rather than having Milwaukee replace it with another chuck that will likely do the same I just grabbed a $40 Jacobs and it's a lot better.
Are they a universal fit, or do you need parts numbers etc?
@@gregorymosher5008 You can just type in drill chuck for your model number and it should give you the right options. What you're looking for is the proper thread count on the chuck itself as well as the thread count for the screw you install after the chuck.
Funny. Just watched Stanley's CZcams on flex stacked with the drill, seems like that things a monster.
If I don’t own either one, should I just get the gen 4?
I don’t know if any body knows but there’s a secret setting, you can turn off the anti kickback by putting the selector in the middle position and pulling the trigger 5 times and watching the led turn on and fade out, or turn it back on by watching it blink 5 times.
I think it's kinda getting to the point that aslong as it dosent break I don't really car which one I have because both are amazing drills
That’s fair
@@VCGConstruction it's kinda like smart phones now, dosent matter what you get it'll run just fine and do what you need it too aslong as you don't cheap out
please do the m12 gen 4s hammer and impact drill plz
2:57 Dude I was just looking at these things last night! I’d love a test between those Diablo Demodemons and Bosch Nailstrikes!
Diablo is made by Bosch so I bet they're extremely similar if not the same exact bits painted blue and red.
@@Tool_Addicted_Carpenter I wouldn’t doubt that one bit.
Its more better if you test also the clutch.. Gen3 clutch has an issue of overpower even on the lowest setting difficult to use on a soft wood.. I read that gen4 has mechanical clutch compare to electronic clutch of gen3.
I thought you could turn off the protection mode in the drill? If you turn that off would you get a better comparison?
I gonna stay on gen 3 they perform well
I really like the Gen 3 drill. The Gen 4 is nice, unfortunately I think with Gen 4 Milwaukee is over thinking the tool with to much technology. If Milwaukee would just build a well constructed tool with a minimum amount of technology that gets the job done in a reasonable amount of time Milwaukee would be better off.
German Metabo does just that, a strong will built tool.
But I really do like the Milwaukee Gen 3 drill.
Vince are you okay buddy seems like you were getting a little annoyed by your boy 😂😂
Honest opinion. How does this compare to the Dewalt dcd998 ?
Putting a lot of stress and heat on that gun and to have the anti-kick is good not to break your wrist but if it's going to constantly stop you from going all the way through the wood then it's no good. That's why I just use the whole hog with the adjustable head so you're not limited to the shaft of the bit. You should grab one of your Milwaukee M12 screw guns and see what it can do. How far can you drill in with the M12 fuel.
I got a Hole Hawg with the regular keyed chuck as well. I also bought a 7/16" hex quick connect adaptor because some of my auger bits are 7/16" hex. Then I can just quickly chuck those in but I can still chuck other types of shafts with the standard keyed chuck.
Thankyou for the video very informative good work not impressed with gen 4 i will stick with my gen 3
You can disable the safety feature by putting it in neutral and tapping the trigger 5 times.
I would like to see, if those tools would benefit from a High Output Battery. And if they do, what kind: like 6Ah/12Ah
They would absolutely benefit from a HO. The results from 6.0/12.0 would be similar. 6.0 being the more realistic option for an drill.
Good comparison, ok now gen2 m12 vs gen 3 m12.
Recently upgraded from Gen 2 to Gen 3. I’ll use it till a Gen 5 is available then I’ll upgrade to Gen 4 😂
I’ll buy the close outs on the gen 3
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Vance seems a little angry. Jimmy must not have brought him a cheesesteak. Cmon cuz!
Brought turkey clubs…..smh
@@VCGConstruction you know a turkey club is NOT a cheesesteak cuz! 😂
I am DIY, so you guys tell me!
I am leaning towards Gen 3 and think I'ma wait for sales.
Gen 3 stuff gets hot enough as is. Then they come out with more heat and less power. I always tell people the gen 3 is a good compact drill, actually really good for it's size, but they need something bigger to compete with the DeWalt and Makita flagship models
i was planning to get 2804. Should i just wait for Gen 4? or just buy 2804 right away
Whether you get the Gen 3 or 4 it doesn't matter, why?? because life is always easier with Milwaukee!!!