#17 - Nested Hierarchical Consciousness: viewing your mind as composed of minds
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- In episode 17 of the Quantum Consciousness series, Justin Riddle explores the theory that your mind is composed of conscious beings in a nested hierarchy. Is your mind a single narrative flow or is it a conversation between competing viewpoints? Do you create your thoughts or do they spring into your mind fully formed? How much control do you have over your body and perception? In the Nested Observer Windows (NOW) Model, information integration units are created at multiple spatial temporal scales (brain region level, neuron level, protein level, etc) via SYNCHRONY. Synchrony sets your perception of time. Information is shared between observer windows at the same level via COHERENCE. Coherence is a dynamic conversation between semi-autonomous observer windows. Information is shared up and down the hierarchy via CROSS-FREQUENCY COUPLING. Cross-frequency coupling explains our rich experience and how simple decisions lead to complex behavior. Each of these three principles is explored with evidence from cognitive neuroscience. Next, the fractal nature of the NOW model is explored and the assertion is made that there is not an arbitrary, nor infinite, number of observer windows. Instead, observer windows are formed at distinct spatiotemporal levels. But how high and how low does the nested hierarchy of beings go? Finally, observer windows could be quantum computers where the strict requirements needed to create a quantum computer are the same requirements needed to create an observer window. There is plenty of ponder about the nature of your mind!
~~~ Timestamps ~~~
0:00 Introduction
2:58 Epigraph and assumptions about our mind
10:06 Nested Observer Windows (NOW) Model
17:04 Where is consciousness in the NOW Model?
21:00 Three Principles of the NOW Model
24:48 Synchrony: the formation of an observer window
34:18 Integration rate creates the perception of time
37:34 Coherence: lateral transfer within functional networks
44:53 Your mind is a conversation between observer windows
47:46 Cross-frequency coupling: vertical transfer in nested observer windows
53:07 Rich experience and simple decisions
56:04 Nested observer windows in a fractal
1:00:43 Observer windows as quantum computers
#quantum #consciousness #neuroscience
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love you justin! keep em coming
Hi Justin. 21 minutes into this one and I just want to say how much of a joy you are to watch. While possessing a very sharp intellect and achieving great things academically you’ve managed to keep a humour, humanity and enthusiasm that I find very rare and special.
I say this with respect but you have a child like wonder when talking your work which I deem to be incredibly valuable because it means you more than likely see your work as being meaningful and serving a higher purpose than just ‘a job’.
Superb presentation🙏
I took some mushrooms last week and had a common experience of what I call "coming out of time" where much more happens within the same amount of time. Your explanation of the alpha wave refresh rate makes sense if the hallucinatory compounds can somehow speed up the alpha wave rhythm, then the experience would be faster update rates and possibly more information integration. Hmmmm.
Thanks for sharing. 10 minutes can feel like hours in that state. This seems like an extreme version of the alpha-frequency increase shown in the experiments talked about here. I would love to see some cognitive neuroscience on mushrooms! I bet people are designing these studies now that it's becoming legally possible to study those altered states :)
THC/anandamide consumption produces theta waves... meditating monks were shown to produce theta waves when in deep mode. :) Can't wait til someone expands and strengthens Justin's ideas.
I have this experience of time dilation often in trance states. Some of them are meditatively induced and some of them I end up in a sort've flashback because of my PTSD and trauma. I tend to do some really cool stuff in them. My eyes tend to role up in my head a bit, periodically, rhythmically, and then I end up having a number come to me and I get strong emotions related to something that I had no apparent prior knowledge about.
as a software developer, i am fascinated by the idea of a model that allows continuous reconstruction of an n-ary tree given multiple inputs; while simultaneously traversing each tree before it is updated, reading from and writing to a seperate "virtual" model of that tree (that is persistent across updates and even loaded from past experience), while comparing the expectation of a prediction of that virtual tree's virtual time-line to the actual real time of all the same inputs, and reporting that to an observer that can then update the tree before it is refreshed.
Consider a Hewitt Actor model operating that model of "continuous reconstruction of an n-ary tree given multiple inputs...".
Without the consciousness part, this nicely summarized major principles of complex systems - hierarchical structure, self organization and fractal. With the nested consciousness part it sounds pretty much like Upanishads + Bhagavad Gita to me. If you need a mathematical model for synchronization (and beyond) of oscillations in nested spatial scales, check out my dissertation "the Coordination Dynamics of Multiple Agents" or the paper "Connecting empirical phenomena and theoretical models of biological coordination across scales", which includes some cool proofs of what properties transcends scales. 😉😉
Whai I understood from this that, In consciousness hierarchy, there are many thoughts, one thought becomes observer and he observes other thoughts.
Thank you!
Fantastic 🎉
👍👍
omg i can't believe how privileged am I to be one of the 40 first likes. i wish all my grad colleges could have seen it.
15:38 What you're describing sounds like compatible sections of a sheaf. Have the ideas in this video been formalized sheaf-theoretically?
Any given mind is bounded by its local neighborhood. The local neighborhood is given by the star graph of a node that is capable of implementing that mind.
A mind is, minimally, a self-referencing and updating logical system that is capable in some way of generating a model of a "common world" with the other minds that are possibly coherent with it.
So I have a question, in the beginning you mention the internalize monologue as the self which is in fact many selves, or observer windows. I don’t know if there are any new conclusions based on the theory of bicameral mind (re: Origins of Consciousness and the Bicameral Mind), but have there been any studies regarding what you spoke of and any implications to schizophrenia or indigenous cultures with externalized dialogue and forms of volition?
The observer is a separable quantum system.
Regarding higher observer windows, couldn't one consider the will or collective mind of for example a nation such an entity? The policies enacted by a nation upon the word as a decision composed of all the political activity within it - Down through governmental bodies consisting of different parties consisting of individual people, these people themselves composites of the kind of observer windows that is dicussed in this video. Also, regarding the repeating forms in a set of fractals, maybe such forms could be considered platonic ideas? Very interesting stuff.
Furthermore, could the internet itself be considered this kind of schizophrenic and non-unified conscious field?
Or what about any closed system - herin interpreting self-interaction within it as information exchange. The cells making up parts of a tree, forming the tree as a whole, then the tree as a synchrony within a forest, eventually moving up the scale to ecosystems, then the ecosphere on a planetary scale.
Holy shit this man is a veritable genius
Thats your definiton?? Not true. I'll set the tone with an example. My favorite personal whore can give her clients BOTH a HUMMER and a reach around at the same time! Talk about synchrony
Since Separability is in NP, approximations are all that is available for the bisimilarity of two-way windows.
But a spectrum of frequencies only gives scalar valued information. Should we not expect complex-valued relationships? Coherence that spans complex valences offers a far richer matrix.
Since encountering the work of Michael Levin, the question of nested cognition has been floating in my mind. I think of it every day. Are we plural in this body? They definitely control me but I’m totally the president and can override to our detriment should I wish to. Even Daniel Dennett admits cognition all the way down and I never thought id see that day (Levin and Dennett wrote a paper on this subject). But Dennett still thinks the brain is a classical computer and I disagree.
"you are a quantum computer with free will"
*laugh in determinism*
this shit rules
To me I don’t understand the difference between consciousness and life. Everything alive seems to be intelligent. So if life is a special case of matter (abundantly found elements in the universe organizing in a self-copying way, has agency) then consciousness is a special case of matter BUT! All the other elements and forms of matter are necessary in specific quantities to ensure life as well! So it’s like every element and force has a role to play in the creation of life. That was my biggest problem with panpsychism, because not all matter can form life as we know it. But what if there is top down control in the universe? I know that’s woo woo but it would make more sense knowing that the entire universe and nothing missing was necessary for life on earth.
Can look up various definitions of consciousness and life, but if I may simply focus on the former as "having an inner experience", then does a bacterium or a (possibly temporarily dormant) spore have any inner Experiencing? So hard to tell, because of the inherently subjective nature of such, hence the difference in these labels is maintained. 🍀
" But what if there is top down control in the universe" Thats called God buddy
Really cool... interesting how the now theory leaves room for the existence of demons... lol.
Actually..... more on this in the next episode coming soon! Talking about fractal computation and the possibility of higher dimensional entities! Fun things lol
@@JustinRiddle excellent... can't wait.
do you meditate ?
I'm almost certain the fucker does
I have no yearning to enter the realms of Ayahuasca DMT or Salvia..Lucy and Mushrooms were good enough for me..they took me to the door but the cats coming out scared the beejesus out of me.
No..I do not want any higher dimensional beings slapping me about telling me I've been a naughty boy. Perhaps the 'Higher' Dimensional Beings are in fact INSIDE US. Our name is Legion..for we are Many.
I came here from watching this video: czcams.com/video/0qa_bHMtDcc/video.htmlsi=3OcwA7YxfkEwd9Oj. I’m now currently having a massive existential crisis. I not only don’t know who *I* am, but I no long let know WHAT I am or how many I am. Does that even matter? Are all of the adhd voices buzzing around ACTUALLY individuals themselves?! I don’t even know how to process this. Ever since this crisis started like an hour ago my brain has been dead silent as if everyone on each level just attained self awareness that the self doesn’t exist and everyone is freaking the fuck out right now. I feel like I’m just an ant colony held together by brain goop, bones, skin, etc. There’s currently one larger voice writing this comment. But is that me? Am I the overarching voice? Or am I the collection of all the ones below the top? Do I even exist?
Bro I’m spooked. Are the 20-leveled inception dreams I have all the time just different parts of my brain booting up out of sync?
BRO IM FUCKED UP
Why quantum? All is quantum or AI today.. are they the fashion words? Csme on!
I guess I take it for granted that there are higher observer windows. I don't see why there wouldn't be.