How To Use NEGATIVE MELODY To Write Beautiful Music [Negative Harmony]

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  • čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
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    A while ago on CZcams and other social medias there was a lot of interest in a theory called Negative Harmony.
    Some people called it a fad, but I welcome any and every interest that musicians may have in learning theory :) Also, I think Negative Harmony is fun to use. What nobody is talking about though (but they should) is Negative Melody.
    Wait, there is such a thing as Negative Melody?
    Well yes, it turns out that not only Negative Melody exists, but that composers knew about this for a long time before the name 'Negative Harmony' even existed. I mean there are examples of it from J.S. Bach!
    It really speaks to the power of an idea when after nearly 3 centuries you keep finding new sounds by applying it...
    In practice Negative Melody is simply applying Negative Harmony to a single melodic line rather than a chord progression... but this sounds needlessly complex. Why don't we go and see what Negative Melody is and how it can create beautiful melodies?
    Today we see how an absolute master of melody (the composer Sergei Rachmaninoff) uses the Negative Melody trick to write one of his most famous melodies... by lifting it from another great composer and applying Negative Melody:)
    Watch the video here... and then do the same to create your melodies!
    The video of the Paganini Capriccio with Hula Hoops is from the channel "TwoSetViolin" featuring Hilary Hahn. The guys are funny, and she's an amazing player. You should check them out :-)
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  • @llorakbretz
    @llorakbretz Před 4 lety +343

    Musician: it's easy, you don't need to be a rocket scientist
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    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +96

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      @2msvalkyrie529 Před 4 lety +6

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      @gabrielpalacios624 Před 4 lety +5

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      @gi5897 Před 4 lety +1

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      @piadas804 Před 3 lety

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  • @iLoveMyDog200
    @iLoveMyDog200 Před 4 lety +314

    He had me at “Hello internet so nice to see you” he sounds like a wholesome happy teacher

  • @rdake4542
    @rdake4542 Před 2 lety +55

    He is like that teacher at school who actually loves their job and likes interacting with students in a fun way

  • @dplu999
    @dplu999 Před 4 lety +280

    Most serious composers these days take the square root of the melody before inverting it.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +87

      Yeah, but do they take the second derivative of the dominant 7 before doing it?

    • @yorichixX
      @yorichixX Před 4 lety +52

      @@MusicTheoryForGuitar no they just take the Laplace transformation of it and add 13th over it :p

    • @Ernieshaus
      @Ernieshaus Před 3 lety +34

      And add some gin to the tonic...

    • @AndrewBoldiPiano
      @AndrewBoldiPiano Před 2 lety +13

      @@yorichixX Some cool cats these days are taking the gradient of the elliptic curve using the coefficients of the taylor expansion of the fourier series of the melody and transpose it to garibaldi temperament. hip stuff

    • @mariomendozagmail
      @mariomendozagmail Před rokem +2

      Is this Chord mastery course a full package ones buy and walk away and ask questions as one's study own pace?

  • @benmarino1913
    @benmarino1913 Před 4 lety +44

    What a useful trick/tool to use when your in need of inspiration! Thank you. Always evolving.

  • @Andrea-xs4ny
    @Andrea-xs4ny Před 2 lety +19

    I agree that Var. 18 is one of the most beautiful melodies ever written. I've been in love with the Rhapsody since I first heard it in the movie "Somewhere in Time." This tutorial on melody inversion is fascinating and you explained everything so beautifully!

  • @Corujadocerrado
    @Corujadocerrado Před 4 lety +13

    Man, I didn't knew how much could the same song's idea sound so different. And feels so distinctly, the opposite (nervous vs romantic). Very cool.

  • @binface9
    @binface9 Před 4 lety +14

    Fascinating. This melody comes up a lot when I pick up a guitar without knowing what specifically I wish to play.

  • @KarstenJohansson
    @KarstenJohansson Před 4 lety +8

    This blew my mind, because I know both pieces (or variants thereof) really well and never made that connection until now.

  • @themandownstairs4765
    @themandownstairs4765 Před 4 lety +23

    This guy teaches perfectly. "How is that pozzible? How could this two melodies be related?" Like I'm so drawn in wow

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    @SYROxTeaz Před 4 lety +115

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    @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +59

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    • @sanderson1045
      @sanderson1045 Před 4 lety +1

      PlainSimpleTailor F sharp(F#) is the same note as G flat(Gb). It is the black key between F and G natural, so G natural is the note after f#/gb

    • @Tielha
      @Tielha Před 4 lety

      @PlainSimpleTailor It's not that difficult. Every note has a major and a flat. If you choose to go up a half note (change your D to a D# sharp for example) you will have a Sharp note as well as having the flat note of the next note in the scale. If you have a D flat, you've also got a C sharp. If you hear an f# it's also a Gb(# = sharp, b = flat. However, we usually refer to the notes depending on what scale we are playing in. If a D flat is part of your scale in a certain song, you're not gonna refer to the note as a C sharp, even though the notes are identical.

    • @Majik53
      @Majik53 Před 4 lety

      @PlainSimpleTailor - Uhhh, because F# IS Gb?

    • @Majik53
      @Majik53 Před 4 lety

      @@sanderson1045 - Oops, pretty much said the same thing before reading through the thread. Great minds, eh?

  • @0live0wire0
    @0live0wire0 Před 4 lety +152

    Rhythm is as important to melody as pitch.

    • @ohyespigscanfly1266
      @ohyespigscanfly1266 Před 4 lety +22

      Reiginald Smith Brindle argues that rhythm is even more importante than pitch. And he does not stand alone with that opinion.

    • @0live0wire0
      @0live0wire0 Před 4 lety +15

      @@ohyespigscanfly1266 Yes, rhythm is more fundamental than pitch. In the larger scale rhythm is the process of unfolding of musical events that makes music possible through time. One of those events is the changing of pitches. Rhythm is the canvass on which music is created so every other aspect of music is subordinate to it.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +22

      @@0live0wire0 I agree, rhythm is definitely more important than pitch.

    • @matrixarsmusicworkshop561
      @matrixarsmusicworkshop561 Před 4 lety +3

      Stephen Dedalus its like space and time lol.

    • @twostep919
      @twostep919 Před 4 lety +10

      Debussy said: "The music is not in the notes, but in the silence between them"

  • @lindaharrison3240
    @lindaharrison3240 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That was SO COOL! I love how you illustrated that whole thing!

  • @aylbdrmadison1051
    @aylbdrmadison1051 Před 4 lety +9

    You've become my favorite music learning channel over the last couple months, and that's no small feat because I'm subscribed to quite a few other excellent channels. Thank you for the lessons, and until next time.. en-joy. ^-^

  • @atthecore4560
    @atthecore4560 Před 4 lety +5

    So it's a type of complex transposing of note structures.
    As a composer who hasn't been trained in music theory, I found this incredibly easy to follow. Great video!

  • @DoomRater
    @DoomRater Před 4 lety +3

    Beautiful. The concept is explained well and it's a solid advertisement for your book too. Now I wanna try playing with a few pieces I like and see what I can transform them into!

  • @maureenbarnes7496
    @maureenbarnes7496 Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic, the very best xplanation ive been looking for since forever.

  • @MrAdamNTProtester
    @MrAdamNTProtester Před 4 lety +3

    Great video breakdown... you are an excellent teacher... take a concept & drill down into it just the right depth to convey the idea from ideal to tangible & not too much that you lose the thread... I appreciate your putting this up on CZcams for free... thanks

  • @kairinase
    @kairinase Před 4 lety +9

    I was just learning "Twinkle-Twinkle Little Star" on ukulele, and just mind blown by this video.

  • @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580

    Excellent tutorial. I feel you’ve shown me a really important insight into how musicality works. Great examples with Rachmaninov & Paganini, illustrating the concept in a powerful way with great clarity. Thank you for the experience, E r I c

  • @deus3404
    @deus3404 Před 4 lety +2

    this is some amazing stuff!!!!!!!!!!pls never stop making videos

  • @craigshaw141
    @craigshaw141 Před 4 lety +3

    Thanks you for this excellent video. This was such a great example of negative melody (chromatic inversion).

  • @douglaspiper7804
    @douglaspiper7804 Před rokem +1

    Just saw this video today! What a great concept! Love it. Thanks. Doug.

  • @robbes7rh
    @robbes7rh Před 2 lety +2

    Great! I love this. It unlocks a dimension that is hidden in plain sight.

  • @taydame6403
    @taydame6403 Před 4 lety +2

    I just tried this method in a video I uploaded... works for all genres and the results can be stunning! Thank you for this fantastic video, very inspiring... I have back linked to give you credit

  • @kevinberstler
    @kevinberstler Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you for this video. Well explained. Loved the examples.

  • @Transterra55
    @Transterra55 Před 4 lety +1

    Fascinating! Thanks for the upload.

  • @Kalparkr
    @Kalparkr Před 4 lety +1

    Very nice! It is impressive to just keep learning new perspectives in music...Thanks for sharing!

  • @brycegorman2383
    @brycegorman2383 Před 4 lety +5

    Ooh very sweet sounding melodies, I have to keep trying this

  • @emsaye
    @emsaye Před 4 lety +2

    I love this information. Thank you!

  • @mastertimb
    @mastertimb Před 4 lety +1

    Interesting concept that I'd never considered before. Thank you for the video!

  • @IsidroAPS
    @IsidroAPS Před 4 lety +2

    Awesome concept. Thanks a lot for sharing! 🎸😁

  • @suiheisensongs
    @suiheisensongs Před 3 lety +2

    Mindblowing lesson!! Thank you so much for the lesson!!!

  • @samlinden898
    @samlinden898 Před 2 lety +2

    you are right this is one of the best melody ever writen

  • @MrZimpoppel
    @MrZimpoppel Před 4 lety +2

    I knew about inverted melodies and negative harmony, but it blew my mind when I heard this most famous Rachmaninov melody was the inversion of Paganini's theme. I've been listening to this Rhapsody on a theme of Paganini for decades, and I always thought that this passage, that really stands out from the rest, was where Rachmaninov put really a large part of himself into this whole piece. This part, and also a part of his second piano concerto are really moments when Rachmaninov touches musical heaven ! Thank you very much, I would never have guessed about it !

  • @AbbeyRoadkill1
    @AbbeyRoadkill1 Před 4 lety +2

    Love your videos! Great job! Thx

  • @mckinleymorton
    @mckinleymorton Před 4 lety +2

    Great vid. Very informative and succinctly done.

  • @PeregrineTrousers
    @PeregrineTrousers Před rokem +1

    Excellent video, and a great example. Thanks

  • @hausofvishy8695
    @hausofvishy8695 Před 4 lety +2

    Reminded that Everything is relative.. Thanks for the lesson 🌻

  • @half-bloodgoldfish9120
    @half-bloodgoldfish9120 Před rokem +1

    Was NOT expecting the twoset reference lol great video 👍

  • @lassalle777
    @lassalle777 Před 4 lety +2

    Brillant ! Un grand merci à vous.

  • @tpe1967
    @tpe1967 Před 3 lety +1

    Fantastic, I just learned something new. Thank you!

  • @DlmlZ
    @DlmlZ Před 4 lety +6

    Boahhhhh! Tommaso Zillio, your analytical skills are incredible amazing. Having you as a teacher must be godsend, that's for sure! There is so much we guys can learn from a guy like you! All your videos are so inspiring and helpful to create new ideas on a fundamental theoretical base. You always come up with new things we have never thought of. It really helps us to become a much better musician and composer. I simply want to say thank you for your great work, we are blessed to have you here. Wishing you all the best for 2020, please stay healthy and happy. God bless!

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      @shaunzack2846 Před rokem

      Check out his complete chord mastery course.

  • @RightNowMan
    @RightNowMan Před 4 lety +2

    Fantastic lesson. Thank you.

  • @FenderLeader
    @FenderLeader Před 2 lety +1

    Love these videos ❤️ so informative

  • @stevecallaghanmusic
    @stevecallaghanmusic Před 4 lety +3

    I paused the video after the first explanation, and thought 'hey I wonder what it would sound like with Twinkle Twinkle Little Star' I almost had a heart attack when I unpaused the video! Great minds think alike! This is such a great technique!

  • @loudlikelove5016
    @loudlikelove5016 Před 4 lety +1

    I heard about it fromJacob and Herbie but never got it right, with your explanation I finally understood :) Thx
    I don't play the guitar but I subscribed lol, you have very useful stuff

  • @johndoc4483
    @johndoc4483 Před 3 lety +1

    I want to thank you for this information, that I feel I hope I can discipline myself to learn, to open more doors in knowledge and songwriting and playing guitar, I now have a reason to get back to writing and learning, forever greatful to you...

  • @richellmcknight446
    @richellmcknight446 Před 4 lety +2

    Brilliant!!!😁💖 I could hear that it was flipped when you isolated the melodies and I sang them the same tempo! This must be what Ritchie Blackmore was talking about when he said he flipped the opening of Beethoven's 5th for the famous guitar intro on Smoke on the Water!!!😁💖 Pure genius! And I agree with you about that being one of the most beautiful melodies ever written, sigh...💖

  • @waxhead63
    @waxhead63 Před 4 lety +1

    Love your tutorials .. layman explanation 👍🙏🏻

  • @howser1961
    @howser1961 Před 4 lety +2

    You are a brilliant and happy man.

  • @bhorstkotte
    @bhorstkotte Před 2 lety +1

    Outstanding as always

  • @Falanu
    @Falanu Před 4 lety +1

    Omg can't wait to try this out

  • @x-man8889
    @x-man8889 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @scottlane4217
    @scottlane4217 Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic video. Very clear and concise explanation . Thank you!

    • @rslane32
      @rslane32 Před 4 lety +1

      I don’t play guitar but yours is the next book I’ll buy

  • @notyetskeletal4809
    @notyetskeletal4809 Před 4 lety +64

    I inverted a Metallica song and got a Def Leppard song. No joke! I was surprised and a bit disappointed because I liked it but couldn't call it my own.

    • @TheCryonicsMusic
      @TheCryonicsMusic Před 4 lety +6

      wich song of Metallica you inverted to get Def Leppard song?

    • @notyetskeletal4809
      @notyetskeletal4809 Před 4 lety +12

      @@TheCryonicsMusic Hi. It was part of Call of Ktulu. The Def Leppard song was from Hysteria.

    • @bluesnaggletooth1660
      @bluesnaggletooth1660 Před 3 lety

      @@notyetskeletal4809 if this is true, you should make a video on it. I think it will do good

    • @notyetskeletal4809
      @notyetskeletal4809 Před 3 lety +1

      @@bluesnaggletooth1660 it was true. I have long forgotten it but wouldn't make a video about it of if I remembered. I could figure out what the chord inversions were but I just like concentrating making my own stuff.

  • @brendondominic6576
    @brendondominic6576 Před 4 lety +1

    very useful lesson man keep producing videos

  • @schlippery1
    @schlippery1 Před 4 lety +1

    I never guessed this even existed :) Thank you !!

  • @walterbanci7269
    @walterbanci7269 Před 4 lety +1

    Very Interessting*** Good work!

  • @GuitarBasement
    @GuitarBasement Před 4 lety +2

    Good stuff...love it!

  • @phpimusique9373
    @phpimusique9373 Před 3 lety +1

    very cool! thanks for that

  • @UndisclosedTalent
    @UndisclosedTalent Před 4 lety +2

    This is AMAZING!!!!

  • @paatacha
    @paatacha Před 4 lety +1

    Great explanation! Thank you

  • @LVVunavejezsanayfeliz
    @LVVunavejezsanayfeliz Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing! Worth trying!

  • @danaandthewolf
    @danaandthewolf Před 4 lety +2

    Thank you for sharing this. My uncle told me something about this vaguely a long time ago, as it's one of my favorite pieces. Great explanation, Rachmaninoff was G!

  • @yugalsharma7713
    @yugalsharma7713 Před 4 lety +2

    You are awesome! I love it

  • @neilandtheorangepeel4806
    @neilandtheorangepeel4806 Před 4 lety +1

    Very interesting and inspiring. Thanks for a pedagogic video

  • @sandwich-breath
    @sandwich-breath Před 4 lety +1

    Well look at you... thank you for sharing this wizardry!

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack Před 4 lety +1

    exactly, one of the most beautiful

  • @glorioskiola
    @glorioskiola Před 4 lety +1

    Fantastic, thanks!

  • @composer7325
    @composer7325 Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent, thank you.

  • @Paradroidx
    @Paradroidx Před 4 lety +7

    Ableton Live has this cool way of inverting notes. I've done this with a few classic midi file's. It's pretty interesting.. I think everyone borrowed from each other . Or was inspired in a way

  • @iwo1621
    @iwo1621 Před 4 lety +1

    great job! thanks

  • @ulfdanielsen6009
    @ulfdanielsen6009 Před 4 lety +70

    And of course the reference to the 24th Caprice had to be the live interpretation by Hilary Hahn,- thank you

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +12

      I am a proud and unapologetig Hahn fan ;)

    • @iwanabana
      @iwanabana Před 4 lety +2

      It brings me so much joy to know that she does not play that in 440 Hz. Such warmth and sound that instrument produces!

  • @graynoone
    @graynoone Před 3 lety +1

    Absolutely brilliant.

  • @victorsuarez3
    @victorsuarez3 Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing info!

  • @saxyrep1
    @saxyrep1 Před 4 lety +1

    Cool ! I'm gonna use that on my own material haha ! Thanks !

  • @MyPianoLesson
    @MyPianoLesson Před 4 lety +3

    Interesting! Thank you! 🎹🎹🎹

  • @PatrickStefan
    @PatrickStefan Před 4 lety +1

    Way more useful than negative harmony great work!

  • @erichansen3487
    @erichansen3487 Před 4 lety +1

    Wow! Brilliant!

  • @omarreroch
    @omarreroch Před 4 lety +1

    Great!!! Excellent!!! Thank you!!!

  • @notflanders4967
    @notflanders4967 Před 4 lety +1

    thanks for sharing!

  • @PedroNavarro-Arte-Flamenco

    very good, thank you !

  • @hernandoferrera1573
    @hernandoferrera1573 Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you!

  • @kriminalrekordz
    @kriminalrekordz Před 3 lety +1

    Those lessons are really applicable to a bass guitar, easy!

  • @unboundboundarie211
    @unboundboundarie211 Před 4 lety +153

    Nice clip from twoset :)

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  Před 4 lety +38

      TwoSet are great! :)

    • @jackmarentette1302
      @jackmarentette1302 Před 4 lety +2

      Screw Twoset :)

    • @sat1241
      @sat1241 Před 4 lety +1

      @@MusicTheoryForGuitar thank you for this lesson. I have a question. In the Paganini when we compare A to C in your example you determined that C is two half steps up. Then to get the Rachmaninoff you went two half steps down to F#. Ok, no problem. Than A came up again and the next note in the Paganini is is E. You counted 7 half steps up and got E.
      I assume it's arbitrary which direction you count the steps in the first melody being that you could ave counted 5 steps down to get E.
      I know the result is the same but I assume you decided to count upward from A to E instead of downward due to it perhaps was more familiar to you. Am I right that the directions used to count in the first melody are arbitrary?

    • @JRandallS
      @JRandallS Před 4 lety +1

      @@sat1241 The result would have been the same. Up a fifth is the same as down a fourth and visa versa. These types of inversions always equal 9. 3rds and 6ths, 4ths and 5ths, 2nds and 7ths. Up to one, down to the other. But he probably counted up, due to the fact that the melody line went up, so the next note was actually 7 half steps up in the referenced melody that he was following.

    • @sat1241
      @sat1241 Před 4 lety +1

      @@JRandallS Yes, that's probably it. I was looking at the white board instead of also referring to the sheet music

  • @clutchkman
    @clutchkman Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent!

  • @mikeevans1952
    @mikeevans1952 Před 4 lety +2

    very interesting. Not heard of that before in over 60 years of playing

  • @Eblan85
    @Eblan85 Před 3 lety +1

    Puro gold my friend, amazing video

  • @Sphereal
    @Sphereal Před rokem +1

    Damn, this is a very logical explanation of negative harmony.

  • @jeroenfigee
    @jeroenfigee Před 4 lety +3

    Really Interesting
    and also cool that it has an official name:
    Chromatic Inversion.
    Thumbs up from me.

  • @JereToikka
    @JereToikka Před 4 lety +6

    What is the difference between chromatic inversions and sequencing the diatonic inversion? If we take Paganini's theme and invert it diatonically in Am, after sequencing we can find the melody G, E, F, G, C which is equivalent to the 18th variation, just in a different key (C major).

  • @0000song0000
    @0000song0000 Před rokem +1

    F... how on Earth I didn't know those those were "related" and I love them both🙉😍

  • @marcoantoniopedretti7704
    @marcoantoniopedretti7704 Před 3 lety +1

    Assolutamente geniale. Bravo!!!!!

  • @davidwallace3933
    @davidwallace3933 Před 3 měsíci

    I found the math behind changing the key signature so it lets you flip staff music (rotating 180 degrees to read the base cleft as the treble cleft and vice versa) so it automatically completes a chromatic inverstion on all the notes at once. Extra attention is needed for accidentals. It turns out to be a simple formula to determine what key signature is needed. I believe there are actually two key signatures for every starting key that will let this work.

  • @wyattstevens8574
    @wyattstevens8574 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I might have to try this! My choice of melody? HWV 375. Why? Mystwick School of Musicraft, one of my favorite book series, (probably) mentions it slightly extensively (don't even know if it's the sonata in question, although Audible and I think so- much less if the author even had a specific sonata in mind: the book, [and when I sent her some fan mail she] both just call it "Handel's Flute Sonata in Em," so there's immediately a 50% chance that I'm right- not 33, because op. 1-1a and 1-1b, HWV 379 and 359b, start almost identically but in the former the melody's "busier") but the inverted melody could be like the "butterflies in her stomach" both in the "I'm so nervous" scene in chapter 2, and the "did I make it?" scene in ch. 6, with the original in ch 3. And I would probably invert the entire sonata! If I did and posted it, I might just post MIDI playback from Finale.

  • @hurric4n3ike
    @hurric4n3ike Před 4 lety +2

    PRECIATE THIS, finna go ham with these tools

  • @fernandoserico77
    @fernandoserico77 Před 4 lety +1

    Love how you say “noz”. Play the noz

  • @DrMabuse2010
    @DrMabuse2010 Před 4 lety +3

    3:43 jaw dropped, Nice!!!!!