The BIZARRE End to Lynn Dickey's CAREER | 1985 Packers
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- We've seen plenty of guys ask for playing time, but what about a player demanding that his coach not play him anymore? Well, that's exactly what happened with Green Bay Packers quarterback Lynn Dickey. Following a 1985 NFL game between the Green Bay Packers and New York Jets, Dickey asked head coach Forrest Gregg to not play him anymore, even though Gregg had every intention of keeping him on as the starting quarterback. What followed was a bizarre saga that more than 35 years later, still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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Members of the 1985 Packers:
Al Del Greco
Joe Prokop
Lynn Dickey
Randy Wright
Don Bracken
Jim Zorn
Maurice Turner
Mark Lee
Chuck Clanton
Mossy Cade
Harlan Huckleby
Tim Lewis
Gary Hayes
Mike McLeod
Ken Stills
Gerry Ellis
Jessie Clark
Mark Murphy
Ronnie Burgess
Eddie Lee Ivery
Tom Flynn
Gary Ellerson
Daryll Jones
Guy Prather
George Cumby
Mike Douglass
Randy Scott
Rich Moran
Mark Cannon
John Anderson
Blake Moore
Blake Wingle
Ron Hallstrom
Karl Swanke
Greg Koch
Keith Uecker
Mark Shumate
Tim Huffman
Ken Ruettgers
Alphonso Carreker
Mike Butler
Donnie Humphrey
James Lofton
Paul Coffman
Phil Epps
Ed West
Walter Stanley
Preston Dennard
Mark Lewis
Ezra Johnson
Brian Noble
Robert Brown
Charles Martin
Tony Degrate
John Dorsey
Forrest Gregg (head coach) - Sport
Love the 1983 Packers, they were a cold weather Chargers, won games 41-38, 55-14, 48-47, lost one game 41-47. That season Dickey was amazing except for 29 ints. He was a mad bomber...
Jameis Winston approves.
That was their rep too, as the cold-weather Chargers. Lots of offensive fireworks (they could beat or throw a scare into any opponent), but just not a complete enough team (in an era in when teams had to be strong in many areas to be playoff competitive).
I still remember the 48-47 Monday night game against the Redskins. Not much defense but entertaining game to watch. The usually reliable Mark Moseley missed a 39 yd fg on the last play of the game. I didn't sleep well that night being a Redskins fan. Two underrated QB's with Dickey and Theismann in that game. Who knows what would have happened with Dickey if he had a better team around him. Theismann possibly could have had a shot at the HOF if it wasn't for LT on that Monday night 2 years later.
@@KevinT7274 I've been thinking (oh no!), and I feel that Jameis Winston's 2019 season compares favorably to Lynn Dickey's 1983 numbers (considering the contrast in eras, I think even the yardage more or less matches up). I do feel that Dickey was on a lesser team, even if he had very good to outstanding skill position players to throw to.
@@gluserty The coach has to see something in you to throw 29 picks or 30 like Winston did a couple years ago and not get benched. Put Dickey on that 83 Raiders team or 85 Bears and both still would have won the SB. Part of the reason Dickey threw a lot of picks was that he had to force the action when he knew the opponents were going up and down the field at will on their defense. What made that Monday night game so good to watch against the Redskins that year was that both Dickey and Theismann played almost perfect games.
I love seeing that old footage of games in County Stadium.
I grew up in Milwaukee and I'm a huge Packer fan. I stated watching the Packers in 1986 and started collecting Football Cards. I asked my dad "Who is Lynn Dickie?". My dad said he was a QB for the Packers that had a great arm but he broke every bone in his body playing football. He could barely move but he could still sling the football. Randy Wright was the first QB I remember watching and we went 4-12 my first year as a Packer Fan.
Yeah, he was kind of the Evel Knievel of pro football.
Lynn Dickey is such an underrated QB in Packers history. He wasn’t very mobile due to the serious leg fractures he suffered in his career, but he could definitely throw the ball. I think he was the best Packers QB in the time between Bart Starr and Brett Favre
absolutely correct
Dude was the absolute prototype. Perfect size, stature and arm.
Diskey is Top 10 in Packers History, most likely
Does he crack the Top 5?
Dickey despised Forrest Gregg (RIP)- a lot of the Packers did at that time. Gregg was a HOF player but his GB coaching tenure was awful.
I have never forgotten Dickey, he was good. If I collected NFL jerseys I would get a number 12 since no one else will have one.
You're wrong I had a Dickey number 12 Jersey made, and wore it to games. I had someone stop me for a commentary segment where they showed my jersey where they said all good Packers would be remembered by the fans.
@@jamiegilligan7175 also Zeke Bratkowski, one of the best backup quarterbacks ever
@@jamiegilligan7175 yeah I don’t really know what this guys trying to say, while it’s not a popular jersey choice today I’m sure there’s loads of Packers fans with them
Edit: uh actually now that I think about it #12 is the most popular Packers jersey out, Aaron Rodgers
I wore it for Zeke B
What number is Rodgers?
life long packer fan, always a lynn dickey fan, great person on and off the field
Longtime Bears fan in Milwaukee and i still agree with you.
Good thing that they had Mike Tomsac & Don Majkowski to bridge the gap between Dickey & Farve!!!😂🤣
Your middle initial wouldn’t happen to be F, would it?
@@Luked0g440 no sir
The Packers had a lousy front office system in Dickey’s time. If it was of the quality it has been since the early 90’s, I believe Dickey’s career would be judged more equally with Starr, Favre, and Rodgers.
I think if Dickey never got hurt, he could have very well been mentioned in the same sentence with those guys
@@cyrogex1218 Watching film now, I can agree he was much more athletic and tough than most. Strong arm, too...wow.
Somewhat similar to Pastorini, after he suffered some early challenges and NO offensive line, he started to impress people.
Have I got news for you... their front office was never known for making good decisions, even during the winning years. Why do you think they only have two additional rings after the 60s, despite having two phenomenal QBs, and some extremely good WRs? I'm not a Packers fan, but if they had made better decisions, they could have dominated. Especially with Rodgers.
Lynn Dickey and James Lofton played a lot of great football together.
And Paul Coffman!
Lynn Dickey = the only person who could stop John Jefferson
Let's respect Lynn Dickey's honesty. He spoke up when he realized the 'Pack might be better off with another quarterback.
His body was beaten up, his will was noncommittal, and his offensive line just wasn't enough.
It's hard to win games from your back- ask Dan Pastorini. Once Dante got a great offensive line coach in Joe Bugel, and athletes to match, his statistics went way up.
This excellent post makes me wonder how great Lynn Dickey could have been on, say, San Francisco or Miami. Just wondering.
How good would Lynn Dickey be if he had that Dallas Offensive Line in the 90’s. Aka the Great Wall of Dallas.
By better quarterback did you mean 13 year broken veteran Jim Zorn or Wisconsin’ Randy Wright.
Neither one games.
Then the front office of dumb thought it would be a smart idea to draft Option I QB out of UVA, Don Majkowski, to lead the team to a super bowl.
A consistent sequence of failure, what could have been, and tomfoolery.
@@chrisconsorte7893 Also true, yes I agree.
I could not have said this any better...his body took a beating his whole career...if they had a better defense in 83 and 84 they may have found themselves in the Superbowl conversation...
The Packers should’ve drafted him in 1971. They never would’ve made the Hadl Tradl.
So many forgotten QBs in Packers history are beloved by us fans. Lynn Dickey and Don Majkowski come to mind for me.
me to!!!😊
Dickey passed for almost 300 yards in the 1985 Snow Bowl! I remember watching it on TV and Dickey had a heck of a game against future HOF QB Steve Young and the Bucs.
I was there…. That was my first NFL game that I attended….. my cousin’s gave us there tickets. They drove down the road with their snowmobile to meet us with the tickets
@@ddbronco1873 i was setting in a bar in San Clemente, CA., watching it on TV with a fellow Marine buddy who was from Stoughton. He was going crazy...lol.
Thank you for making this! I feel like a lot of people nowadays either don't remember Lynn of haven't heard of him. I am related to Lynn from my grandfather and i'm pretty sure they are cousins. He comes to our family reunions and sometimes and tell us stories about his games. Keep up the amazing videos!
I have a very good memory, so I remember him. I have been watching football since I was 8 years old in 1980. I never forgot him. Or James Lofton. I'm not even a Packers fan. I guarantee plenty of people still remember him. I also remember Jan Stenerud, because honestly, who could forget a name like that when you're a little kid?
This was a phenomenal video--You nailed it about Lynn Dickey and his career and how it ended. Fantastic job!
You ought to be a supervisor or personnel manager - you're almost always positive and optimistic.
@@67marlins81 tyvm--I appreciate that :)
Dickey gets a bum rap. He absolutely is a top tier QB if a few things had been different. 1. O-line - during his time in GB, their line was porous at best, nonexistent at worst. In short, they let him get the shit kicked outta him and he got hurt regularly as a result. 2. No running game much at all. If GB had had a Billy Sims, Joe Delaney or Joe Cribbs, this would’ve helped tremendously. 3. Abysmal Defense. When you have a defense that is constantly getting burned by everyone and you constantly have to come from behind, it leaves you open to getting hurt from no balance on the offense. 4. Starr as head coach started badly but was finally starting to work out when he was replaced by Gregg. Should’ve either stayed with Starr or got someone better than Gregg.
So, give Dickey a really good O line, a real good RB, a decent defense and a better coach than Gregg and I think you’d be seeing Dickey produce at least 1 championship and a trip to Canton.
Packer Fan since 1958
All your arguments are very reasonable.
I think those are great observations. And if Dickey happened to have played in the era where QBs weren't treated as pinatas by defenses, he would have avoided a few of the injuries and probably elevated his game a bit more. I was just coming of age towards the end of his career so I just have a few memories of him, so it's nice to have this video remind me of his good years.
So what you are saying, is if they were better, they would have been better?
Eddie Lee Ivery wasn't a good RB?
The whole "if things had been different" notion is illogical and a bit silly. Arguing in retrospect is ridiculous, basically fantasizing.
I remember when pack traded for j jefferson to team with lofton (that was some speed) they were gonna re-create the chargers offense with dickey to lead it. Dickey was pretty good qb. Was just let down by lousy coaching and a lack of talent and no running game in gb. He was one of the rare at the time qb's to throw for over 4000 yds. back in early '80's.
Don't forget that the passing rules were different back then. His numbers would look vastly different today.
They also traded a number one to the chargers one year for a clown named mosey cade. What a mess the 1970s and 1980s were what a disaster
@@vincentmittica9001 wow really? ha ha to pack.
I was so excited to get JJ. The videos of Dickey are great. It is fun watching the early 80s games, I see the game so much differently.
Yeah, Lynn Dickey wasn't drafted in a good spot with the Oilers, due to the team being in disorder (back-to-back 1-13 seasons) and Dan Pastorini being the starter (the Oilers weren't doing Pastorini any favors either:-). In James Lofton's Hall of Fame speech, he gave Dickey some solid acknowledgment. I think Dickey was pretty good, and he made something out of a career that consisted of playing for teams that were never among the league's strongest.
Ha ha, Meatloaf, I think that's funny...and also so filling!
You're correct about Pastorini....he openly wondered if he should have signed a minor league deal with the New York Mets as a pitcher, after getting the hell beaten out of him on the Oilers' stand-in offensive lines of 1971 and 1972.
@@67marlins81 Uh, those Oilers were terrible; my mother had Pro Football digests from those two seasons, so later I was able to read all about it, and NFL Films did a segment on them in their episode "The Lost Season". I think they were like a funnier version of the 2016-'17 Browns, but at least they were able to win a game in each season. Still, for a franchise that won the first two AFL titles, it was quite a fall.
@@gluserty I remember when the Jets almost went winless that one year, can’t recall which though. I just remember some fan holding up a sign that read:
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As a K-state fan and history buff, I was well aware of Lynn Dickey's college career as a Wildcat, but only had a vague, general knowledge of his pro days before watching this.
I'm from nebraska. I can't remember the name of it but when I was fossil hunting once I was in a town where the high school field was named after him.
@@paleocat6354 That would be Osawatomie, Kansas, about an hour south of KCK. That was where Lynn Dickey went to high school. The town's main claim to fame other than than being his hometown is that it was where John Brown lived when he was in Kansas fighting against pro-slavery settlers a few years before the Civil War.
I grew up with a Lynn Dickey poster in my room. He was my first Packers' QB. Of course, due to my parents being born and raised in Sheboygan...I wore a hand-made Starr jersey.
I hope JaguarGator 9 keeps track this season of all QB’s that had a game worse than spiking the ball each play.
Well it's not the 70s and 80s anymore, so those 39.6 performances are rarer.
@@waluigithemaster6864 Aaron Rodgers says hello.
love the footage.
I love it when you do a video about the Packers. Still waiting on that TJ Robley vid, though. :). It's got to be coming at some point.
T.J.Rubley.
Such a different world in 1985. They didn't have the rules for protecting QBs like they do now.
Those early 80's Packers offense were great..... Those early 80's Packers defense though... ick.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I used to have a Mad Dog Douglas poster in my room. Some good players on D, maybe scheme?
Dickey once got laid out by Detroit DL William Gay with a vicious, illegal hit. A newspaper headline read; "Gay's Penalty Should Be Stiff: Dickey."
The Jets, in the one off-season when Al Groh was the HC, were kicking the tires on free-agent FB Sam Gash. Headline: Groh eyes Gash
@@j.p.pelzman7481 When Sam Gash played for the Bills, I had season tix. A constant call from our area of seats was, "We want Gash!"
:-)
If I recall correctly, his broken leg in 1977 came on the last play of a 24-6 loss to the Rams in Milwaukee on Nov. 13.
That is correct. He would not come back until the last three games of 1979.
@@NosferatusCoffin Wow: such a long absence. I recall David Whitehurst was the replacement during that stretch.
Yep. My 1st packers game.
Regardless of whether a player becomes a legend or not, anyone who played competently in the NFL (especially at qb) has something to be proud of and has experienced, however briefly, an intensity few outsiders can relate to. Guys like Dickey played in a high -profile sport during the strike era. What was that about? Before the truly big money rolled in with 24hr sports coverage and set-for-life paydays for some relatively unproven players these guys were making our entertainment and the NFL's empire. The era had so many good players and good units (think of the Atlanta O line in the early 80's) who were just stuck in a system that wouldn't bring "hogs-like" recognition. As a bartender in OC in the late 80's I recall seeing Ron Brown of the Rams one time, somewhat lightly dissed by some women when his friend attempted one of those "Hey you know who this is? Ron Brown? He's a pro football player." The women thought they HAD heard of him "From the Raiders, right?" They were thinking of Tim Brown, much in the LA news at the time. Friends laughed. Brown was dignified throughout. I knew a lot of Rams fans who diminished Ron Brown as a player. But he was one of those track star first : wide receiver second guys who had some big moments in the NFL. He was also invested in a car dealership and making a future. This wasn't a nightclub and I'd seen him a few times. He was clearly looking for a quiet place that served food late after work. He certainly wasn't looking for attention. Just a good, humble guy with a lot to be proud of. His teammate Henry Ellard had a condo in Fullerton. Not even a house! and a nice but not super car. Great player. Great career. He probably made more good decisions than headlines. In their own ways they created football memories for spectators but they were also navigating NFL pressure while building their own futures. That's why I like your channel, you ressurect old memories from TV trivia land and add human context and dimension to what were small moments for us, but big deals in the lives of the participants, most of whom weren't huge stars. Lastly, recall Mike Sherrard out of UCLA? 1st round pick. I believe he suffered broken legs twice in his young career and still emerged to catch late career bombs from Phil Simms in his pass-happy phase. Sherrard blew his hip out on a catch ala Bo Jackson. He is probably largely forgotten, but what an experience that must have been. Thanks, sorry for length of rant.
4:45 I knew once you mentioned a QB in the title, I was waiting when you were going to say that.
I remember getting him confused a few times with the lead singer of Rose Royce, Gwen Dickey. I also remember that game against the Jets where Mark Gastineau acted so solicitously to him between sacks. I wonder now if Mark saw something Coach Gregg didn't.
i noticed that ...he wasn't animated during those sacks like his usual nut-self ...lol.
Some days I'm blessed that I was born in 1989 and didn't experience too much of the 20 years of utter misery before Favre.
Some facts for ya. Between Bart Starr and Brett Favre, the Packers between 1972-1991 started 20 different QB's, basically a new QB every year. Notable names include Jim Zorn, David Whitehurst (Charlie's dad), Lynn Dickey of course, Jerry Tagge who went to high school in Green Bay, Scott Hunter, Mike Tomczak, and more.
Between 72-91, the packers had just 7 seasons (including the strike shortened year) where they were able to start their QB for a full season. Compare that to since we started Favre, who never missed a start starting week 4 in 1992 to the end of 2007, Rodgers has started a full season all but 4 times. Which means 24 times we've been able to start our QB for a full season.
As for the QB's who started a full year during the dark years of the Packers? Scott Hunter in 1972 (during the 14 game season vs 16) who was also the only QB between Starr/Favre to win a division title, Lynn Dickey 3 times including the strike shortened year, David Whitehurst 1978, Randy Wright 1986, and Don Magic Man Majkowski 1989 (also one of only 4 above .500 seasons, year of the Cardiac Pack).
Of those 7 seasons, Scott Hunter as I mentioned won the only division title in the dark years, David Whitehurst led the team to an 8-7-1 record in 1978 but no playoffs, Lynn Dickey in the strike shortened year got the team a wildcard spot with a 5-3-1 record, and Magic Man as I mentioned was on the Cardiac Pack that went 10-6 with 4 1-point wins, but they did not make the playoffs. Randy Wright went 4-12, and Lynn Dickey's other 2 years were 5-10-1 and 8-8.
Interestingly, the Packers started just 3 QB's that were drafted 1st round, Jerry Tagge THE ONLY QB they drafted 1st round that started, John Hadl (infamous trade), and Randy Johnson (not Big Unit).
Lynn Dickey had an interesting 1983. Led the league in TDs, Yards, YPA and INTs.
It is another hard luck story from the 1971 draft class. Manning,Pastorini, Plunkett, Dickey. All struggled with lack of talent, injuries, and terrible offensive lines. I think just to make it onto the field in the 80s was a great accomplishment for Dickey who had countless surgeries to come back from. Would have been a HOFer had he stayed healthy
Jim Plunkett did win 2 Super Bowls later in his career with the Raiders so I wouldn't include him with the other 3 QB's.
🐻 s fan here....l remember.
Watching games since 75...
Miss dem 70s Packers.
Guys got the best of it for last 30 years.
Always was a Lynn Dickey fan. I just wish the Packers had an offensive line to protect him. It was almost like hike and duck your head. I wonder how many concussions he had. It was still amazing the amount of yards he had for the early 80s. I still remember him playing against the Washington Redskins on Monday Night Football. I think it's still the highest scoring Monday night game ever.
Highest was SD 54 PIT 44 in 1985.
NosferatusCoffin; Dang, Nosferatus, you have some serious football knowledge! 👍
@@NosferatusCoffin the San Diego Pittsburgh game was a Sunday night game
@@NosferatusCoffin Wrong. On a cool Monday night in the city of Angels, on Nov. 19, 2018, the Jered Goff-led L.A. Rams beat your Chiefs 54, to 51 for 105 total points!
@@denisceballos9745 (He was wrong).
When You lose to the Jets, You lose it completely.
Just remember: Mark Gastineau was probably destroying him on every play. Wanting to retire after that game is 100% understandable.
Love to see a video about kicker John Lee. Guy couldnt miss at UCLA and got drafted in the 2nd round by the Cards.
They found out the hard way that Lee had one of the weakest legs in NFL history as his kick offs were something like 10 yards less than the next worst kicker on the list and well....
Really good story, love to hear your take on him.
In the 1970’s, there was a emerging great baseball player by the name of Lyman Bostock who was tragically murdered. When he played for the CA Angels, he was having a bad stretch; not unlike Dickey’s. When owner Gene Autry came in give the players their pay checks as was his usual. Bostock told Autry to keep the check because he did think he had earned it. Of course Autry told him to take the check, he told Bostock he would do better next time.
My point is that many players put a lot of pressure on themselves and that is why they are so successful. However, the real difficulty comes in dealing with not obtaining those goals set.
I saw that in Dickey; to me he just didn’t feel worthy to be the starting QB and was having a hard time dealing with his perceived failure.
Coupled with his years of being battered, it just was too much. I think it was gutsy for him to come back in after pulling himself.
Thank you for another interesting story.
They should put his story on the "A Football Life" NFL series. It has to be known that football isn't always about overcoming obstacles and reaching glory. I recall "Number One" a Charlton Heston movie, showed that sports heroes have real lives, real issues, and decline is keenly felt right to their inner soul.
Dickey remains my #1 all time favorite Green Bay QB.
Seriously ??????
@Vincent Mittica yep, and I like Philip Epps as well. I guess it's a personal preference, isn't it.
True..
Lofton was the orchid in the onion patch in those years, and Dickey was a competitor. The organization from top to bottom was inept and incompetent at this time, so I give Dickey a lot of credit for playing as well as he did. Also, thank goodness for Ron Wolf!
Boom - perfect
Well, it began at the top, when they had a fucking judge, Robert Parins, as team president, who’s football knowledge consisted of realizing that the ball was oblong. A 45 person executive committee, full of doctors, lawyers, and various business people, who made a point of meddling in the day to day running of the team. You can’t operate a team like that, by committee, any more than you can effectively design a horse. When Lombardi showed up in 1959, he told the committee to sit down and shut up, otherwise he’d take away their “yes” vote. They then formed a seven person board that he dealt with, containing hall of fame running back Tony Canadeo (The Grey Ghost), which was much more effective and efficient. What the Packers had, by the time Dickey left was a management quagmire, an absolute fiasco, that didn’t begin to get sorted out until the Packers hired Bob Harlan as president, who hired Ron Wolf as general manager, who hired Mike Holmgren as head coach, who hired……………………
Outstanding.
I never played tackle football except with friends, and have a question.
How does an NFL player sleep at night with all the pain they have from playing?
A lot of addictive pain medication...
@@dontknowwhattoputhere2033 Did you play? Was sleeping a challenge?
They smoke weed. Some people are also just physically trained and strengthen themselves so what hurts you may not even register to me, or vice versa...but I am just speculating
He sure made it exciting. That Monday night game against the Redskins. Now that was a game.
I was thinking of that too. Maybe the best MNF game ever. I was watching alone with everyone else asleep. I start screaming….my Mom thought the house was on fire. I just got chills! Ty for that memory!
Lynn Dickey had James Lofton to throw to in those times. That was a huge weapon in his arsenal.
John Jefferson complimented them well also.
Jerry Rice all time best WR, James Lofton second....prove me wrong!
@@BillMorganChannel Can’t really, but to Sterling Sharpe. What could have been 👍🏻
@@nicholassmith479 Lofton was such a smart receiver. I saw a play where a long pass was thrown, he was covered tight....he slowed down as did the defender, then Lofton sped up caught the ball and had separation from the defender and scored!
@@BillMorganChannel Lofton was awesome.
Lynn Dickey was a great passer. I went to a Packer pre season game in 1985 and spoke to him.
Well done! Thanks for this insight. Lynn Dickey brought stability to the Packers QB position after Dan Devine single-handedly destroyed development for a decade with one of the worst trades in sports history. As a teenage Packer fan, I rooted for Lynn Dickey every week, knowing injuries had affected every part of him except the gun he had for a right arm 😎
My local newspaper would regularly show pics of each week's action, and there was almost always a pic of Lynn Dickey being sacked. It became a running joke between me and my best friend, who was a Packers fan. Good times.
I remember one of the running jokes going around the Green Bay area at that time: I went to the mall, and left my pair of Packer game tickets on the dashboard, in plain sight. Somebody broke in and left two more.
Lynn Dickey was one of those Packer QBs lost in the hoopla of Favre and Rodgers and Starr. He also wore #12 like Aaron Rodgers.
Seems like he and Danny White were in similar situations.
Nah. Rodgers wore #12, just like Dickey did. As great as Rodgers was, Dickey was still there first.
Jordan Love wears 10 just like Dickey did too!@@Luked0g440
When I was really young, Dickey was my favorite NFL player. Haven't heard this name in a long time
"His passer rating was worse than if he had done nothing than just spike the ball into the ground every play" Love that quote.
Andre Tippett highlight reel included as a bonus.
goodamn I can't believe gb stuck with him for half a decade. That's like Chris Ponder and Vikings level dedication
Lynn Dickey to James Lofton was that good of a tandem! Of course, Lofton is in Canton! On the other side, I saw the Sack Exchange smash Lynn Dickey at Shea, in '81 (9 sacks!)
Dickey definitely had talent, and I think if he was a polished 22 year old coming into today's league, even if he went to the worst team, he'd have a much better career due to all of the advancements in training, coaching, medical, etc. in addition to quarterbacks just being more taken care of. Dickey's 1983 season is worth watching some games. Especially that contest between the Packers and Redskins, which in my opinion is maybe the best MNF game ever.
Sad as it may be... Would love to see one of these about Dolphins/Steelers QB David Woodley. He was a gifted athlete, but also an enigma. He once called his wife across the country from a locker room pay phone and told her that he wanted to retire on the spot, right before he was to take the field with the Steelers to face the Chargers in San Diego, a nationally televised game on SNF. She begged him not to retire, not like this, she told him not to do this to his team mates, and he then went out and threw 3 touchdown passes, leading the Steelers to 44 points. He couldn't stand the anxiety and the pressure to perform well consistently, and it drove him to drink. He may have faked concussions and the flu to get out of playing. That appears to have possibly been the case. More than once, he was scheduled to start on game day only to be replaced by QB Mark Malone at the last minute. Both Don Shula and Chuck Noll for a time thought he was a franchise QB. At the time he retired he was the highest paid player in the league at 500k per season. His life ended tragically at the young age of 44 from liver failure. He never stopped drinking.
One my college teammates was on Packers then . Told me Dickey didn’t throw in practice and before kick off he had trainers rub DNSO ( horse Bengay ) under his shoulder pads . Very painful , just could only scream .
Run out there and throw bullets .
Other players recounted a four inch long needle that the training staff used to inject Lynn with painkillers before the game and again at halftime.
Official Jaguar Gator 9 made a video about Forrest Greg’s worst moment.
The Packers didn't pull itself together for good until early 1990's. Around 20+ years of futility.
Dickey didn't have a rifle arm, or a tight spiral by any means, but his beauty was being able to drop that pass into a receivers hands like a loaf of bread.
This was really bizarre
Once Lynn Dickey had John Jefferson on one side and James lofton on the other side is when he put up those numbers. But after only I think 2 charger like seasons John Jefferson was physically declining and it was noticeable in speed and quickness without being anywhere near 30. Every year he declined Lynn dickey's numbers declined as well right alongside it with defenses knowing they only had to give special attention to one side of the field now.
Great story as always only one issue, you forgot to mention Packer’s fans true last memories of Farve were in NY and Minnesota, and funny how now Rodgers end will be remembered for Jordan Love and Covid
It's crazy because all of these ends to these Packers quarterbacking legends ended weirdly and badly. Well, it looks like Rodgers career with the Packers is about to end weirdly and badly. This channel will be making a video on all of the Packer's quarterbacks' weird endings in the next few years.
Lynn dickey now does commercials in la crosse wis.
The biggest change was Bart Starr who was a great head coach getting fired and the hiring of forest Gregg who was a terrible coach. Forest Gregg made many players want to quit.
Three years of 8 and 8. Missed the playoffs by a game each year. Heartbreaking
I remember Lynn Dickey being so tired of getting sacked. When F. Gregg became the head coach, he said, the day of the long ball in Green Bay is over, which probably didn't sit well with L. Dickey. Gregg must have been a boring guy.
Don Horn, Bobby Douglass, Jack Concannon, John Hadl, Jim Del Gaizo, Rich Campbell, Anthony Dilweg, Blair Kiel, just to name a few more.
9:35 is a really telling about the relationship between Dickey and Gregg.
80s Packers had talent at skilled offensive positions: TE, WR, TB.
Paul Kaufman, John Jefferson, Phil Epps, James Lofton, Harlan Huckleby, Gerry Ellis, Eddie Lee Ivory, Jesse Clark.
What they did not have was a functional OL, reliable defense and any semblance of competent coaching.
So it was frequently on Dickey’s 12 year veteran, broken and dilapidated shoulders to win games while getting absolutely dirt-napped on third and long by DEs and ILBs of the era.
He looked like a 72 year old bleeding man out there.
The front office was totally incompetent on draft day, and living in the past.
Packers would beat a good team one week then lose in spectacular fashion to a cellar dweller team the next.
Who doesn’t remember Bart Star, Forest Greg calling offensive play sequences already down by 20 points of: Run-Run-Pass-Punt?
Sunday afternoons in Wisconsin were loaded with booze, dread, depression, cheese constipation, cardiac failure and diabetes.
It's sad that Dickey doesn't get much mention in Packer lore. Best player through those lean years where they weren't that great. And of course, can't have a QB video without "worse than if he spiked the ball every down".
Yeah, but at least Danny White had a few very good, potentially great chances of making and winning a SB. The Cowboys teams he inherited from Staubach in 1980 still had great defensive players in their prime, a rock-solid veteran locker room presence, and still productive, highly touted offensive playmakers and a few, new emerging ones. White's best chances at sort of establishing his own SB Cowboys legacy were during the 1980-81 seasons, moreso 1981. I believe Dallas.went into Philly way too overconfident and still exuberant and pumped up over their epic, come-from-behind win vs. Atlanta the previous week, and Eagles were hungrier, played tougher, and didnt make the same mistakes against Dallas Falcons did a week before. I also think Vermeil out-coached Landry in that game, too.
Ive read interviews, accounts from quite a few ex-Cowboys players, greats who starred on those 70's-early 80's Cowboys teams and they've inferred, or insinuated that game even if Danny White had won one of those three NFCCGs he lost, its difficult for them to see him leading the team to a SB win in similar fashion Staubach did throughout the 1970's, and even he never beat Pittsburgh, though both SB losses were close.
I agree. No way they beat the Raiders in XV, and the Bengals were better than many credits them in XVI. Cowboys and and Dolphins in XVII would have been evenly matched. But it is quite an achievement the Cowboys made three straight championship games.
Also of note was that season White was in a QB controversy with Gary Hogeboom (may have been from the year before too). In fact, in the Championship game Hogeboom replaced White, so if Cowboys had won with Gary at QB, who would have started in SB XVII?
Those 80's Packers jerseys were kind of cool.
Getting rid of Star as coach was the downfall of Dickey
"Which is worse than if he did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play" should be the name of this channel.
4:45
The moment you all came for.
JG,opinion,what would his career be without Lofton and Jefferson? Alot of people said without them,he would've been out of the league,but I didn't see many of his games
Sounds like his injuries caught up with him.
gregg was a disaster.
Dickey damn near got murdered. Most teams with an aging QB get him an o-line. They wrecked him and it’s a shame because he was real nice for 4 seasons or so. It was painful to even watch him getting hit the way he was. Today with the way they protect QB’s…..he’d have killed it.
by the mid-80's these players were more faster , stronger , just more athletic ...dickey sure noticed it .
If not for injuries Dickey would've been exceptional. Pure perfect passer!
4:09 what the hell was that #67 😂
9:49 John Denver!!
He gets a lot more retrospective credit now than he did at any time from the end of his career through the Brett Favre era. Oddly enough, I think part of it has to do with Rodgers wearing 12, it allowed for a lot of "Hey, do you remember the *last* QB1 to wear 12?" types of stories.
Spot the Gabbert at 4:45
Dickey came back and posted a passer rating of 131.9, which is better than if he had spiked the ball after every snap.
Let's see what kind of last impression Rodgers has this season if it truly is his last with Green Bay.
Great receivers and really like his abilities...Dickey earned his stripes
Can we talk about how bad that offensive line looks? Seriously was multiple safeties this early in the season a regular thing? And with Foresr Gregg as the HC no less
Other than the Packers HOF QBs, Rogers and Lynn Dickey, what other Packer's QBs were good for any stretch of time?
A kid from Southern Mississippi was pretty good for 16 years and a kid from Alabama were OK for 16 years.
Majkowski was damn good when healthy. The trouble is he was very rarely healthy
Lynn Dickey is in Packers Hall Of Fame
All I know is I won’t be happy until the Packers bring these uniforms back.
Lost to the patriots in what would turn out to be their first afc championship season. Of course losing to Tony Eason isn't good..
If I was a QB I would rather ride the pine than sit in a pocket being a target for large men to crush me while I am in a vulnerable position. Even with extra rules protecting QBs they still take the most vicious hits on the field. Plenty of money to be made riding the pine.
It wasn't bizarre. He was playing for a shitty coach and team and he was getting is brain and body bashed in.
Remember the 1985 Bears plus all the bruising defenses back then: Bears, Giants, Jets, 49ers … they pummeled QBs. Mike Ditka talks about a hit the ‘85 Bears put on Joe Ferguson. Imagine Giants Lawrence Taylor or Jets Gastineau or Joe Klecko coming for you when you’re expected to trade brutal hits for completions. Dickey did the right thing.
That's not how Lynn Dickey's career ended. The last game of Lynn Dickey's career was the snow bowl against the Buccaneers. You need to correct this video.
What is missed here is the fact that Forrest Gregg was a terrible coach. He completely mishandled a very good player in Dickey.
Lynn Dickey is in the Kansas Sports Hall of Fame. So, I guess he is a Hall of Famer
Kerry Collins did the same thing for the Giants.
Gregg basically eroded what talent the Packers had in 83. They would have been better off keeping Starr as coach.
Lynn Dickey's Packers teams were the NFC's equivalent of Air Coryell in the early 80s. I have no doubt Dickey would have won a Super Bowl if the Packers had bothered to put an actual defense together.
Well they did have the opportunity to draft Ronnie Lott in 1981…
@@matthewdaley746 I dunno. Being the all-time leader in interceptions isn't being elected to the HOF for "sentiment."
Dickey was no Dan Fouts. He was mediocrity's mediocre.