Why Luke Skywalker Wanted Jedi to Use the Dark Side | And Why It Saved Them

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  • @omegamaximus1727
    @omegamaximus1727 Před rokem +935

    This is the Luke Skywalker we should’ve gotten for the sequel trilogy.

    • @david_lifeandgames
      @david_lifeandgames Před rokem +75

      Agree. The new sequel movies destroyed Luke's real story.

    • @derangedking117
      @derangedking117 Před rokem +73

      The “sequels” aren’t canon in my eyes. The storytelling was so bad. I treat them like the terminator sequels after judgement day - non canon or a different timeline

    • @BigChadTheMadLad
      @BigChadTheMadLad Před rokem +17

      This is the way

    • @BigChadTheMadLad
      @BigChadTheMadLad Před rokem +20

      @@derangedking117 this is the way

    • @thomashall6288
      @thomashall6288 Před rokem +1

      But girl power everybody!... girls can do anything better than man. I mean who needs training. 🤣 Hot fucking garbage

  • @omoon66
    @omoon66 Před rokem +859

    Imagine if Disney cannon Luke had this mindset in the sequels, then maybe he wouldn’t have tried to murder his nephew for something he hadn’t done yet. Then he could’ve possibly taught Ben to control his darkness and use it for good

    • @botcitymessi3742
      @botcitymessi3742 Před rokem +28

      Exactly what I thought

    • @josephtownsend2103
      @josephtownsend2103 Před rokem +148

      I don't know what you are talking about. The sequels never happened.

    • @jeremysears4263
      @jeremysears4263 Před rokem +28

      @@josephtownsend2103 LOL Right! 👍🍻

    • @sisigs4820
      @sisigs4820 Před rokem +54

      What sequels? I don't know of any sequels.

    • @vanyac6448
      @vanyac6448 Před rokem +18

      While I agree with you that Ben Solo could possibly have been taught to understand and accept his angst, but also to live for other things, I disagree with the conclusion that Luke tried to murder Ben Solo.
      What I think happened, was he saw Ben Solo going down a dangerous path. And he was worried. Now, being a war veteran, Luke Skywalker (presumably) built up a reflex where he'd draw his lightsaber upon sensing danger. Because in a real combat situation, not being able to draw his lightsaber faster than he could think could mean that his life would be ended by a stray blaster bolt. In this situation, Luke's worry triggered his veteran's instinct and he ignited his lightsaber. But, before he could fully collect himself and deactivate his lightsaber, Ben woke up, thought Luke was about to kill him, and quickly reacted.
      Now, I have my problems with the Last Jedi, but Luke allegedly trying to kill his nephew isn't one of them.

  • @oddmanout8692
    @oddmanout8692 Před rokem +488

    Jaina Solo once said that her Uncle Luke exhibited a "diamond hard gentleness". I consider that to be an unbreakable compassion coupled with immense strength.

    • @qtindavis433
      @qtindavis433 Před rokem +19

      Which would have been awesome to see in the movies. Instead we got scared asf Luke that threatens to slay his nephew. And then cuts himself off from the force and hids

    • @VileHearts
      @VileHearts Před rokem +14

      @@qtindavis433 yup. I think most people wanted to see Luke go down and stomp sidious. Which he absolutely would have been able to do

    • @82dorrin
      @82dorrin Před rokem +16

      Having Jaina being the protagonist of the sequels would have been freaking amazing.

    • @minicle426
      @minicle426 Před rokem

      @@82dorrin So long as she wasn't a bitch to her mother like in the later EU.

    • @phaenix_9846
      @phaenix_9846 Před rokem +4

      @@VileHearts if they stuck to canon and source material it wouldve been Maul. I agree nevertheless. The story I have in my head if Luke faced Maul to finally end the Skywalker trilogy on top of Leia bringing peace with the New Republic and their children ending Darth Talon would have been so bittersweet.

  • @karlsmith2570
    @karlsmith2570 Před rokem +410

    I actually agreed with Luke's philosophy in allowing Jedi apprentices to have knowledge of the dark side of the force for the purposes of being able to recognize a dark side follower and being able to defend themselves against them

    • @iitim2152
      @iitim2152 Před rokem +35

      True in old times only masters could contend with darkside powers because even knights were barred from even a modest study of ds powers. In the Revan novel he was at his peak when his dark side knowledge was returned to him, only the emperor was a threat to him.

    • @77wolfblade
      @77wolfblade Před rokem +2

      I like to think it's still a difficult process to do.

    • @MarkBonneaux
      @MarkBonneaux Před rokem +15

      Kinda like how Hogwarts has the Defense Against the Dark Arts class

    • @Sephiroth144
      @Sephiroth144 Před rokem +13

      @@MarkBonneaux Yeah, was literally gonna say "So, a Defense Against the Dark Side class"
      Of course, a lot of professors for THAT class at Hogwart's had... issues... so maybe its not the best idea.

    • @jessiehogue.
      @jessiehogue. Před rokem +24

      Refusing to even consider studying the dangers that the Dark Side poses - responsibly, anyway - reveals how the Jedi *fear* it. And fear, as they say themselves, leads to the Dark Side. It's no surprise the Old Jedi Order allowed the Sith to become this powerful and to cloud their judgment and vision so much; they literally set themselves up to fail according to their own teachings.

  • @vitorpereira9515
    @vitorpereira9515 Před rokem +458

    "Remember: abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them."
    - Kyle Katarn aka the one man army who stole the death star's plans without dying.

    • @99thJediWarrior
      @99thJediWarrior Před rokem +46

      Legend. Literally.

    • @99thJediWarrior
      @99thJediWarrior Před rokem +70

      @@damaskholdings9140 You do know that Luke Skywalker himself actually used Dark Side powers on several separate occasions, right?
      - In Return of the Jedi, he used Force Choke on two of Jabba's Guards. Though it's likely that he didn't kill them, but only asphyxiated them to the point of knocking them out.
      - He also used Force Rage against Darth Vader in order to defeat him. But keep in mind that he didn't kill Vader once it was done.
      - He's also learned both the Light and Dark versions of Force lightning, including Emerald Lightning, Electric Judgement and even Sith lightning.
      - Plus he used Force Fear on a group of creatures, but only to get past them.
      - Also, if you consider Kyle Katarn's journey, both the Light and Dark Sides were open to him. His experiences with both made him into a greater and more powerful Jedi overall.

    • @mewtwo389
      @mewtwo389 Před rokem +9

      @@99thJediWarrior the whole mojo of luke using rhe darkside in ep6 is because there was conflict inside of him, he was constantly reminded that he was going down vaders path and that if fully utilised his rage on striking down his father he wouldve become the next vader.
      Heck his black outfit was meant to symbolise that he could potentially be leading down that path, and when he stopped using his darkside amp rage and declares he declared he was a jedi

    • @redvonmunster3731
      @redvonmunster3731 Před rokem +2

      You spelled Mary Sue wrong.

    • @redvonmunster3731
      @redvonmunster3731 Před rokem +2

      @@mewtwo389 his outfit wasn't black though, they discuss this is Mandalorian extras.

  • @MikefromTexas1
    @MikefromTexas1 Před rokem +334

    In Book of Boba Fett, Luke tried to dissuade Grogu from having attachments.
    Another example of Disney ruining Luke.

    • @sisigs4820
      @sisigs4820 Před rokem +38

      Gotta keep selling the baby Yoda products and merchandise. Another victim of corporate greed.

    • @gabrielandjavierpinales3689
      @gabrielandjavierpinales3689 Před rokem +60

      The real Luke Skywalker would allow Emotional Attachments happens in his Jedi Order. He saw that what saved both him from death and his father from the dark side.

    • @abster168
      @abster168 Před rokem +14

      Not really, Grogu is Luke's first student. Luke is very new to being the master and teaching, he's going to make mistakes. Also, we know that ultimately Luke's academy has to fail as shown in the sequels. They showed us a wise luke whilst also keeping it in cannon.

    • @Tengu125
      @Tengu125 Před rokem +38

      @@abster168
      It only "has to fail" if you acknowledge Kathleen's fanfic as canon.

    • @abster168
      @abster168 Před rokem +2

      @@Tengu125 but they are cannon

  • @nophil0071
    @nophil0071 Před rokem +80

    I like how in Legends (even though I’m not as familiar with it) goes into how Luke learned from his past mistakes, encouraged attachment among his students, and taught the dark side in a more know thy enemy approach so that they were not helpless against the dark side, they knew of it and could prepare accordingly

    • @terunuiahomiro1217
      @terunuiahomiro1217 Před rokem

      Thats literally the video

    • @decepticonxhunter4850
      @decepticonxhunter4850 Před rokem

      Yeah, a look where that led: Luke's own nephew became the sequel to Vader.

    • @Heartshapedbox81
      @Heartshapedbox81 Před rokem +2

      And were less likely to be seduced by it due to having knowledge of it instead of it being an unknown, forbidden thing, as that just makes it more alluring to some.

    • @JDog2656
      @JDog2656 Před 5 měsíci

      @@decepticonxhunter4850 I mean, if you wanna fixate on the inevitable mistakes of individuals...

    • @Beanmachine91
      @Beanmachine91 Před 2 měsíci

      know thyself and know thy enemy

  • @Im-Not-a-Dog
    @Im-Not-a-Dog Před rokem +163

    Shutting yourself off to the Darkside makes you vulnerable to it.
    Only by using the Darkside and learning not to give into its call can one build resistance against it.

    • @tommychappell6359
      @tommychappell6359 Před rokem +1

      Exactly. Exposing yourself and vaccinating yourself from get go to these things.

    • @tommychappell6359
      @tommychappell6359 Před rokem +12

      The Jedi Inadvertently spawned/induced society of fear.. and in doing so/as a result trapping the Jedi's, ahem anakin Skywalker into eventual fate. To challenge things is to be skeptical of them even when told it's only right thing. And understand why they exist in the first place. as with everything.. it depends. Risk and reward in everything. It's life. How you counter balance it. In fact not questioning things is dangerous. In fact (on a separate note) was what enabled Hitler to Rise to Power. Lack of people who stood up for what was right.

    • @FeeqAzmir
      @FeeqAzmir Před rokem

      This is something similar that of what Carl Jung teach on psychology

    • @paganlady7738
      @paganlady7738 Před 11 měsíci +1

      It somehow resembles the way bacteria resist antibiotics IRL.

    • @josephperdue8469
      @josephperdue8469 Před 9 měsíci +1

      I.E. -Mace Windu

  • @robertagu5533
    @robertagu5533 Před rokem +82

    Luke was Genius. Knowing an enemy is a huge step an aid in defeating it an being able to protect against it an their ways

    • @davidtucker9498
      @davidtucker9498 Před rokem +6

      But he ALSO had the wisdom to be careful about its teaching, as knowledge of something evil and corruptive can lead a person to engage in it as well. That's why he only allowed experienced students, and under careful guidance.

  • @andy2200
    @andy2200 Před rokem +107

    Agree 1000%. Light and Dark. Yin and Yan. The symbol of balance. If you have only dueled in one, you are not balance. Life is about strengthening oneself, acknowledging one's weaknesses and facing your inner demons.
    Plus. In legends. Liea helped Luke out of his dark side, Liea had her children.
    Anakin/Vader had no one.

    • @plagueisproductions9327
      @plagueisproductions9327 Před rokem +7

      Light and dark arent Ying and Yang.
      Ying and Yang are being in peace with oneself and the environnement.
      You are just forgetting the context of Star wars.
      In Stat Wars,the dark side is a perversion of The Force.What is called "light" side is just the Force in its normal state.
      Ying and Yang is about order,which means that there cant be chaos which means that The dark side must be destroyed

    • @Vincentius_Cardinal
      @Vincentius_Cardinal Před rokem +8

      @@plagueisproductions9327 no, you forget that there is a reason there is two. Two opposite yet complementary forces, that is yin and yang.

    • @andy2200
      @andy2200 Před rokem +1

      @@Vincentius_Cardinal Exactly. The dark side is apart of the FORCE. Ying and Yang. The Sith on the other hand, are a different story.
      They are evil,(well most of the time)
      Calling the dark side evil is like saying a person with ambition, passion, pride and short temper is evil.

    • @efaristi9737
      @efaristi9737 Před rokem +7

      @@plagueisproductions9327 Uh Seems like you don't know Yin and Yang that well neither
      Both are the representations of completely opposed aspects of nature that work together to made the universe work just like the Ligh and Dark sides: Yin represent feminity, the moon, the cold, obscurity, etc... when the Yang represent masculinity, the sun, warmth, light, etc...
      It's really the same thing as the Force, Jedis and Siths might fight eachothers over divergence of ideals but the Force in itself isn't in conflict with itself.

    • @classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
      @classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 Před rokem +4

      @@plagueisproductions9327 Where exactly are you getting this from? Who exactly says that the dark side is an intrinsically broken form of the force?

  • @whynot1548
    @whynot1548 Před rokem +7

    In Eastern Mysticism, both Light and Dark are essential to create balance

  • @musicbrush9231
    @musicbrush9231 Před rokem +30

    I wholeheartedly agree. I've long since come to the conclusion that the old Jedi gravely ignored the dark side out of pure fear, which often led to their downfall. Luke not only accepted the dark side as part of the force but even used it when push came to shove. It's a huge reason why I loathe what Disney did to him in the sequels.

  • @ejrodriguez2656
    @ejrodriguez2656 Před rokem +21

    If it were me, I choose to study under Luke Skywalker's Jedi Praxium. The old Jedi were fearful of the possibility that studying the Dark Side in moderation under the supervision of a proper master would give rise to an enemy they thought long gone, the Sith, but they were far too lax in their "cradle of power" to see the wider truth. The ancient Jed Dai order and Luke's Jedi Praxium were most definitely in the right.

  • @jackskellingtonsfollower3389

    I would definitely prefer Luke's way of the Jedi. Knowing more about potentially dangerous power can increase the chances of only using it out of necessity, rather than gaining the desire to use it.

  • @PXCharon
    @PXCharon Před rokem +13

    Qui-gon Jinn, had he survived to see the end of the Empire, would engage with Luke in a long, deliberate discussion about the new direction of the Jedi Order. And would come to the conclusion that Luke's way is ultimately the same as his own. Freedom within The Force, tempered by the responsibility to use that freedom to benefit others, and the knowledge of what horrors taking freedom from another will bring.

  • @hiredgoon93
    @hiredgoon93 Před rokem +27

    In allowing jedi to study the dark side and use its techniques from a light side perspective, its easy to see that it was actually Luke that really brought balance to the force.

  • @aster4jaden
    @aster4jaden Před rokem +27

    Ah EU Luke, the real Luke Skywalker.

  • @dn22pkkdd476
    @dn22pkkdd476 Před rokem +127

    He wanted them to use The Dark Side, because it was way easier than supplying each student their own suply of Pocket Sand.

    • @mremu4358
      @mremu4358 Před rokem +14

      Darth Vader: nnnNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • @jessiehogue.
      @jessiehogue. Před rokem +20

      I don't like the Dark Side. It's coarse and rough and irritating... and it gets everywhere.

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka Před rokem +82

    Personally I like Luke skywalker using both light and dark because it sounds really awesome and badass

    • @savagedarksider
      @savagedarksider Před rokem +4

      Hey Mr. T. What's up ? I personally would go with the Sith.

    • @derekrivard626
      @derekrivard626 Před rokem +4

      Yeah that’s definitely why Luke became a Jedi and taught what he did, to be “awesome and badass.” If he did it all when was, like, 12.

    • @derekrivard626
      @derekrivard626 Před rokem +1

      🙄🙄🙄

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Před rokem +1

      @@savagedarksider i can understand that

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka Před rokem +1

      @@derekrivard626 i know that

  • @kaghtske
    @kaghtske Před rokem +29

    I actually found myself relating a lot to Mace Windu, even though he really only tapped into the dark side when he needed to reflect that power back onto his opponent, I think Luke shines in turning dark side force abilities around using his knowledge of the dark side and compassion. i think that the path to becoming a powerful Jedi would be to use Mace Windus lightsaber fighting form and Luke Skywalkers philosophy when considering the dark side and their force abilities, the combined power set would result in the ultimate form of turning your foes own power back onto them. if we got a Luke in the sequels who did just that we would have to rewrite the whole story cause there would be no Kylo Ren only Ben Solo and probably a separate sith entity who on their own might have needed to reflect Luke in some way to stand a chance against him.

  • @willg.7775
    @willg.7775 Před rokem +12

    Now this, this Jedi Praxium is the EXACT way that the Jedi should have been taught to begin with. Grand Master Luke was correct in letting the darkness in and showing his students the darkness and what to do when facing such. Much of the students i feel would not have been tempted by the darkside regardless of what era it was. Jedi such as Pon Krell and Dooku would not have fallen, i think. If the Jedi would have done something about Master Jinn's death and had sent aid to that one planet, I think that the count would have stayed with the order. Knowing Ashla and Bogan and not being afraid of the dark and turning it's abilities against itself like Master Luke is exactly the Jedi mentality.

  • @lethal_legend3927
    @lethal_legend3927 Před rokem +4

    I dont remember where I heard this quote but it fits this video incredibly well, "a user of light magic can just as easily raze a village as a necromancer can defend one."

  • @terryflopycow2231
    @terryflopycow2231 Před rokem +102

    I always wonder, it's obvious how fear leads to the dark side, but what about fear of the dark side itself?

    • @willg.7775
      @willg.7775 Před rokem +5

      That in part is what the Jedi trials were about and to pass you on to Knighthood if the force deems you worthy.

    • @77wolfblade
      @77wolfblade Před rokem +8

      @Not Roboteva In legends, there was a Jedi who would. try get her students to touch the dark side for a brief moment to learn how to deal with it. She basically felt The best way to deal with emotions is the feel them and learn how to tackle them.

    • @Wraith3100
      @Wraith3100 Před rokem +8

      The fear was the downfall of the Jedi

    • @classarank7youtubeherokeyb63
      @classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 Před rokem +4

      Plenty of Dark Jedi thought they could use the dark side to destroy the dark side. It didn't work.

    • @christopherfleetwood5252
      @christopherfleetwood5252 Před rokem

      Is the fear of the Darkside fear?

  • @mikecotto1167
    @mikecotto1167 Před rokem +9

    His lightning was actually Emerald Lightning and was stated to be the most powerful manifestation of force lightning on record as it could kill upon contact.

  • @isaiahblackbeard
    @isaiahblackbeard Před rokem +15

    I’m surprised he didn’t mention how this could’ve prevented dooku from turning to the dark side

  • @ChibaMitsurugi19792
    @ChibaMitsurugi19792 Před rokem +28

    I would follow Luke’s way for sure. That should be the way of true balance in the force. The ways of the Je’Daii were also more ideal.

    • @sisigs4820
      @sisigs4820 Před rokem +1

      Yea but I think the je'daii weren't really as involved in the galaxy during their time, they were pretty much isolated on Tython and were not trying to protect the innocent across the galaxy.

  • @Meethra_Padapolis
    @Meethra_Padapolis Před rokem +3

    Just one thing I'd like to point out, Luke did not use Force Choke in ROTJ. The thing that tell us that is the fact that every time someone use the force choke ability there is a distinct sound which we do not hear in that scene in jaba palace. I belive he use a mind trick of some kind.

  • @vytrixstudios2184
    @vytrixstudios2184 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This is why I love Luke Skywalker. No better words. I just love how amazingly written he is.

  • @david4portland
    @david4portland Před rokem

    One of my favorite videos that you have made. Well done!

  • @gabrielandjavierpinales3689

    Luke is a new type of Jedi. Unlike his predecessors. The Old Jedi believed that the Darkside of the force is a abomination and a threat that should destroyed, they believe the Lightside is the true force and want it preserve and cleanse the darkness. Luke on the other hand after turning to the Darkside to combat the reborn Darth Sidious and learned how his father Anakin felt when he was a Sith Lord, he accepted that the Darkside would never be destroyed. As it is part of the force, without the Darkside the Lightside wouldn't exist. He trained his new Order to use it so they can resist and master it, which would lead them to use both sides of the force and balanced themselves, just like the Je'daii Order.

    • @sisigs4820
      @sisigs4820 Před rokem +2

      Funny how in the very beginning things were balanced and it wasn't till like 20,000 years later from the time the Je'daii disbanded, Luke brought back the teaching of balance In the force.

    • @vintifada7115
      @vintifada7115 Před 7 měsíci

      The story that has the Je’daii in it sees the Je’daii all falling to the seduction of the dark side. That story doesn’t prove what you think it does. The true lore of Star Wars says that the dark side is a very addictive and harmful drug

    • @joel5135
      @joel5135 Před 4 měsíci

      @@vintifada7115 if you abuse it

    • @vintifada7115
      @vintifada7115 Před 4 měsíci

      @@joel5135
      No it’s by its very nature

  • @MrDari78
    @MrDari78 Před rokem

    Beautiful! I love your channel. 💚
    May The Force Be With You as well my friend. 🙏🏽

  • @lucidity1
    @lucidity1 Před rokem +22

    Luke's order sounds to me more like what I envision to be a grey Jedi. A path I much prefer to either that of the old Jedi or the Stih.
    To quote (with slight paraphrasing) a "wise" man: "if one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi (and Sith). If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the Force."

    • @acash93
      @acash93 Před rokem +1

      Ironic...

    • @roky7772
      @roky7772 Před rokem +2

      there are no grey jedi,as one will eventually fall to either the light or dark side

    • @BansheeKing22
      @BansheeKing22 Před rokem +2

      Grey jedi sound interesting. Although I'd probably go the route of the knights of zakuul or maybe even just skip the religion and use the force with no limits and build its power while studying ancient rituals and lost and forbidden secrets.

    • @roky7772
      @roky7772 Před rokem

      @@BansheeKing22 meh,they're more like dark side users

    • @lucidity1
      @lucidity1 Před rokem

      @@roky7772 that's just jedi and sith propaganda. they both want you to follow their narow minded dogma.
      I agree with Kyle Katarn, there is no light nor darkside, just the intention of the user.
      or the bendu czcams.com/video/sxnZqaUAtnk/video.html

  • @anthonyvargas7564
    @anthonyvargas7564 Před rokem

    Exceptional commentary, thanks - may the force be with you.

  • @davidforehand2761
    @davidforehand2761 Před rokem

    Agree with this so much I do! Love your deep dives, and wish that Disney would take note more! Thank you so much!

  • @corneilusofearl7574
    @corneilusofearl7574 Před rokem

    Once again well done. You have enlightened us with a very well-balanced approach to a newly founded Jedi meaning no thy enemy without being the enemy itself. Excellent sir excellent work

  • @ozgurylmaz8483
    @ozgurylmaz8483 Před rokem +1

    It was unexpectedly awesome to mentioned about Kyle katarn's unique force perspective and abilities.

  • @Belesprit656
    @Belesprit656 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It sounds very interesting and useful, it seems like a good analogy for power as well. Power like many things isn't evil by itself but its misuse is.

  • @astorreherrera6346
    @astorreherrera6346 Před rokem

    Spot On Video. Kudos!

  • @BucketThinkTank14657Nerd

    Luke’s view and the Force itself seems to be that there is no real “side” to the Force so much as the light and darn reside in the user, and it affects the Force around you and even the abilities you use.

  • @danielboatright8887
    @danielboatright8887 Před rokem +3

    In the book I, Jedi when Corran Horn let Luke know how he really felt, I think was one of my favorite takes on the force.

  • @kermitthefrog9719
    @kermitthefrog9719 Před rokem

    Great video bro

  • @reedallen4613
    @reedallen4613 Před rokem +1

    The BEST example of this particular philosophy/approach in MODERN Star Wars history would be Jedi Master Mace Windu. Master Windu not only acknowledged the existence of the Dark Side of the Force within himself, but he actually USED the Dark Side of the Force to his ADVANTAGE while STILL remaining true to the Jedi belief.
    Essentially, Master Windu USED the energy and/or emotions of the Dark Side of the Force to help him, but WITHOUT allowing the Dark Side to actually CORRUPT him. A PERFECT example of this is how during Master Windu's fight against Darth Sidious/Supreme Chancellor Palpatine it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Windu is AGGRESSIVE/ANGRY, and yet Windu ALLOWS those negative Dark Side emotions to EMPOWER him WITHOUT letting them CONSUME him.
    In my personal opinion, this makes Master Windu the CLOSEST thing to a 'Grey Jedi' in thousands of years (since the Era of Sith Lord/Jedi Master Revan).
    But that's just my own personal opinion.

  • @induralfrosthelm5146
    @induralfrosthelm5146 Před rokem +2

    The basic way to look at it is with the Greys. They channel both the light and the dark side of the force this alone points to the idea that force powers aren't light or dark in nature. It it how you channel it use it and your heart behind the action. The way Jedi of old were instructed to control their emotions so tightly leaves a void in the natural heart of their actions. This makes them weak and vulnerable to dark actions and impulses that they have been inhibiting all their lives.

  • @yunusemreselcuk2128
    @yunusemreselcuk2128 Před rokem

    Kyle Katarn is my man! I had many hours of joy while playing his character in games. The mentioned approach of his is true in real world, too.

  • @ignitusmalia6936
    @ignitusmalia6936 Před rokem

    Great video :)

  • @karlmiller7188
    @karlmiller7188 Před rokem

    I agree with you most heartily!

  • @jagdeishwarmagendran3395

    I think true balance is to be come one with the light and dark. Freely being able to use both sides of the force at the same time without loosing your mind. But to do so, you mush have immense strength and contron in order to use it as using both sides will use up more energy.

  • @daviddashler3380
    @daviddashler3380 Před rokem +2

    Makes so much sense that Luke would do this. If you think about our own lives and military, we want to know as much as possible about our fears and enemies so that we may overcome them. To know nothing of one’s fears or enemies is to be consumed by them.

  • @MrDeJesus90
    @MrDeJesus90 Před rokem

    See these are the stories I’d love to see on screen & done right

  • @alexsantiago3181
    @alexsantiago3181 Před rokem

    This is Gold

  • @orig1990vintoy
    @orig1990vintoy Před rokem +2

    Luke realized the dream of Revan

  • @RvLicious69
    @RvLicious69 Před rokem +2

    i like to think the rey trilogy never existed. makes star wars much more enjoyable to learn about. awesome video thanks!

  • @dswynne
    @dswynne Před rokem

    I agree, but I also would add that the need for balance can also bring about a positive end (ie. Control versus flow; see Avatar the last Airbender).

  • @zacg8975
    @zacg8975 Před 2 měsíci

    I love the thumbnail It's badass ❤

  • @soranibrahim5334
    @soranibrahim5334 Před rokem +2

    I love how the only other person in star wars lore who mastered both the light and dark side was Meetra Surik but she could only do it after she had lost her connection to the force and got her connection back. (Revan could technically be considered a jedi who also mastered both the light and dark side at least for their time of knowledge and understanding.)

    • @soranibrahim5334
      @soranibrahim5334 Před rokem

      Revans real name is also mentioned by kreia if you ask her 6 times about revan and his masters, and you had reunited the 4 other exiled jedi that went into hiding then kreia will give you Revans story about how he became revan and explain she was his master before she became one of his many apprentices, and then tell you about the mandalorian wars and how he changed his name to how he even came to find that mask before dawning his new name, to his downfall and after that the mini sith empire revan had built slowly started to crumble and fall apart due to infighting over leadership, then she would go on about how the new sith ended up rising from the ashes and then tell you what's going on with current events. (Be warned if you ask for this storyline beware it's a 30-45 minute storyline so hope you enjoy reading.)

  • @firesword9561
    @firesword9561 Před rokem +2

    I recently got to play Jedi Academy and this philosophy surprised me. I wished Disney would of used this in the movies. It would of shown the changes Luke made.

  • @joshy0369
    @joshy0369 Před rokem

    Good one

  • @The_Phoenix_Saga
    @The_Phoenix_Saga Před rokem +1

    "It takes many men a walk into hell to find themselves walking back into paradise. Sometimes darkness can show you the light"

  • @jamaaldawkins5019
    @jamaaldawkins5019 Před rokem +1

    Every time I thing of the latter 2 movies from the sequel series, my fall to dark side becomes all the more exhilarating

  • @xinixini1826
    @xinixini1826 Před rokem +1

    "The only thing more dangerous than a Dark Jedi is a Dark Jedi behind the controls of a Sun Crusher…" ~Han Solo
    He was referring to one of Luke's students who ended up going full darkside. I'm not bashing Luke's methods and ideologies, but there could have been better ways. Though in this case there were also other issues at play. Remember the helmet of the old sith lord that almost possessed Vader? Now imagine a holocron housing the spirit or w/e of a dead sith lord pretending to be a Jedi.

  • @kingshadow8782
    @kingshadow8782 Před rokem

    Awesome!

  • @Spumoon
    @Spumoon Před rokem +1

    I just keep hoping against hope that The Mandalorian will somehow overwrite the Sequels, but we all know Dave Filoni will have to adhere to what's been established in the Disney Empire's Canon. We've already seen him piling up rocks instead of using the established Temples on Yavin IV, and forcing Grogu to choose between Din Djarin and learning about the Force at such a young age.

  • @citizenred1684
    @citizenred1684 Před rokem +1

    I wish they would take this into consideration when furthering the Star Wars content.

  • @erikurizita6702
    @erikurizita6702 Před rokem +2

    He didn't want them to truly use the dark side, just understand it. The Jedi denied their students from experiencing any of it, so they didn't understand it's poison and failed to stop falls.

  • @aaronyeomedia
    @aaronyeomedia Před rokem

    A very interesting perspective, as I've already rooted for good or light side. I hope to strive for compassion in an ever changing world. For I know I must adapt. However I can't do it by myself.

  • @okaminokuro
    @okaminokuro Před rokem +1

    i'd be curious to know how prevelent Vapad was in the jedi praxia as lukes philosphy seems to mirror windu's darkness in service to light mindset when crafting the form.

  • @ashleydeverick8527
    @ashleydeverick8527 Před rokem +5

    I agree he wanted them to use the dark side to supply each student

  • @ghostface4404
    @ghostface4404 Před rokem

    aside from a deeper understanding of oneself--this strikes a bond with those who have ill-intent.

  • @reganfriend5029
    @reganfriend5029 Před rokem

    ... this was a very compelling video, and I agree that Luke purposefully became the master mixer of light and dark knowledge and practice. In Return of the Jedi, I often wondered how the Tatooine boy so quickly had such cool command and wisdom. Surely he must have had some training more than we had witnessed. Think of it, Obi-wan and Yoda are the only Jedi he knew and the only Jedi whose deaths, he had seen. I believe that Luke spent many days and nights training with these Force Spirits, themselves .... that's how his knowledge and wisdom and technique became so advanced so quickly. He communed in the Cosmic Force with Qui-gon, Obi-wan, and Yoda ... and then later with Anakin himself after his redemption. I would love to see this training story as the basis of some great animated flashbacks.✍💥

  • @blackc1479
    @blackc1479 Před rokem +7

    It always tickled me that the jedi had that dichotomy. They wanted to release almost all emotion because it was a path to the dark, but were also raised to hate and fear something instinctively.
    Especially something that most had no actual experience of.

  • @vanyac6448
    @vanyac6448 Před rokem +1

    "Jaden, you have a right to be angry. But believe me when I say you don't want to feed that emotion"
    - Kyle Katarn
    Acknowledging a legitimate grievance, but discouraging going towards being consumed by rage. That's the New Jedi Order's attitude in a nutshell.

  • @darrenklein6742
    @darrenklein6742 Před rokem +1

    Awesome Video and a hundred percent agree that Luke's Jedi were the true Jedi. The knowledge about the dark side of the Force to keep them balanced was key. The True Luke, the true Jedi that we should have gotten in the sequels. Keep up the good work, you are an archive of facts and knowledge that we like to hear.

  • @YourBoyNobody530
    @YourBoyNobody530 Před rokem

    I have a fan fic character of this who instead of wielding the classic light saber has developed a force ability which turns his unarmed strikes into lethal weapons comparable to lightsabers in potency. In fact this force ability even allowed him to physically touch light sabers long enough to parry strikes, and even lets him deflect blaster bolts. In short it basically turns his body into a light saber. One draw back is that it cannot cover his entire body. The benefit is the attack are far faster than typical lightsaber strikes at the cost of decreased reach, but that is a small price to say for being able to cut durasteel with a bare hand.

  • @kaijukoopa1248
    @kaijukoopa1248 Před rokem

    It goes with the Jedi code, by study, gaining knowledge and understanding there is simply the force

  • @randykenyon9863
    @randykenyon9863 Před rokem +2

    If anything I'd say Luke took on Palpatine's philosophy of "understand the force in all it's aspects". That was the very thing that allured Vader to the dark side in the first place. Not just to save his wife, but he knew as a 100% fact the order wouldn't have such an ability at their disposal where as it would be far more likely Palpatine would. What makes Luke successful in his order would be the idea "knowledge is power" and not just limited knowledge the old one practiced. Example, Plo Kuhn was scolded because he used force lightning which was considered a "dark side only" ability but was not used as such. I guess in short this mindset of Luke was the success of everything where the old order failed to grow and mature.

  • @nathanvosburgh718
    @nathanvosburgh718 Před rokem +5

    i noticed one thing about Luke just like his dad Luke was also wearing black cloaks

  • @erniebeasley8521
    @erniebeasley8521 Před rokem +1

    4:12 DAHm, luke be DRIPPING

  • @llkk750
    @llkk750 Před 5 hodinami +1

    To the team who gave us the mandalorian ....if you're watching please give us a luke Skywalker series

  • @bradlees5997
    @bradlees5997 Před rokem

    Luke’s New Jedi Order post-ROTJ in legends is my favourite era in Star Wars

  • @bigpoppawaffles246
    @bigpoppawaffles246 Před 2 měsíci

    1:22 you know when you really think about it that’s absolutely right, I mean honestly let’s say if the Jedi were allowed to have relationships, then more of them would be able to support and understand other Jedi who are having problems that could lead them down a bad path like Anakin had(not saying exactly like Anakin but you get what I’m saying) then maybe when Anakin turned to yoda for advice with the visions of padme he could have actually gave good advice instead of the terrible advice he gave him which just pushed him closer to Palpatine. Love is a good thing, not something they should be told not to feel.

  • @NateIsCorrupt
    @NateIsCorrupt Před 4 měsíci

    Legends Luke was great, I love the nuance of his teaching style to study the dark to protect from it.

  • @James-ep2bx
    @James-ep2bx Před rokem +1

    I've always held that the biggest issue with the old jedi was their fear of the darkside, and that in a balance based philosophy nothing is inherently evil, just miss applied. EU Luke's philosophy is vary much in keeping with that. He doesn't fear the darkside, just recognizes the dangers it presents, and he doesn't treat darkside powers as inherently evil, but sees them as the product of a flawed understanding

  • @Redeymoe
    @Redeymoe Před rokem

    ❤ exceptional 🎉

  • @arcadefights
    @arcadefights Před rokem

    This video made me appreciate Luke even more!

  • @jessemillan1385
    @jessemillan1385 Před rokem +18

    To us, both the light side and the Dark Side need to be one so the Force can be balanced. Both the Jedi and the Sith never understood this because both of them wanted to destroy each other. The Sith desired power while the Jedi desired to bring peace throughout the Galaxy. Take Darth Revan for example. He was able to harness both the light and Dark Side by having his light self duel with his Dark side self.

  • @hunteratkins529
    @hunteratkins529 Před rokem

    This is the first video I've heard you refer to the New Jedi order as the Jedi praxiam but if it is credible I like it a lot. This video really has ideas brewing for a triple threat thesis paper i want to write for no reason other than to write it. If you're interested in what triple intersection of subjects are please get in touch with me I bet you will be very interested.

  • @HoodedLord
    @HoodedLord Před rokem +2

    _is given the offer of being a jedi, a sith or Lukes jedi praxium_
    *Begins laughing in Kreia*

  • @haroldchase4120
    @haroldchase4120 Před rokem

    I agree 100%

  • @aaronhenderson84
    @aaronhenderson84 Před rokem +1

    there needs to be a series with Luke's jedi praxeum

  • @D35p3r4d0
    @D35p3r4d0 Před rokem +1

    I had always felt that Luke was the Jedi perfected. Whereas Obi-Wan was the ideal Jedi of the Old Republic, even he constantly struggled with certain choices, which is why he could never kill Vader. Luke embraced knowledge over ignorance, the first tenant of the Jedi Code. As that is something I personally value, I feel I would fit more in Luke's Jedi Order. Further, compassion was the key. One must allow the rage and darkness to rise from within, but then cleanse and release it through the light of compassion and love. The Old Republic Jedi had this in mind, but never fully embraced the idea as was pointed out by Anakin who had to snarkly imply he believed Jedi were encouraged to love as he defined Compassion as Unconditional Love.

  • @MrChristianDT
    @MrChristianDT Před rokem +2

    This would've made the new movies completely different... though Luke never really came off as this wise in the original films. That being said, this is kind of the sort of route people tend to take when reviving dead religions in modern times too- being able to see through a lot of the darker rituals & teachings of them & taking care to point out those problems to their students, introduce new teachings/ interpretations that go beyond those things & trying to instill in people exactly what kinds of values they think the original form of the religion was lacking.

  • @DragonsFireMetalWorx
    @DragonsFireMetalWorx Před rokem

    definitely would prefer to go the new route...Quinlon Voss is something of an inspiration to my mindset

  • @droogsurgeon1440
    @droogsurgeon1440 Před rokem

    Agree with u 💯

  • @rocsoriano2994
    @rocsoriano2994 Před rokem +3

    Don't usually watch fanfic theories and stuff but I loved all this. Thank you so much! Luke Skywalker means so much to me and this made me feel better. =)

    • @roky7772
      @roky7772 Před rokem

      this aint a fanfic theory tho

    • @rocsoriano2994
      @rocsoriano2994 Před rokem +1

      @@roky7772 If its not directly from George Lucas. Imo its fan theory. Not to say his word always makes the most sense either but he DID make star wars. Some deal with disney or offshoot books don't change that GL is THE guy.

    • @roky7772
      @roky7772 Před rokem

      @@rocsoriano2994 he is, but he extended universe isnt just fanfics lol

    • @rocsoriano2994
      @rocsoriano2994 Před rokem

      @@roky7772 Unless George had SOME hand in writing / creating or at least okay'ing the story and or script? They're expensive fanfictions. Even Disney stuff. But I'm literally a single dude with an opinion. If you want to think of these as more don't let me stop you lol

    • @roky7772
      @roky7772 Před rokem

      @@rocsoriano2994 well,given your logic,force unleashed and kotor are also expensive fanfics

  • @user-bt4wo6ze9z
    @user-bt4wo6ze9z Před 2 měsíci

    Flowing through the Force, there is Balance.
    There is no peace without passion fullfilled.
    There is no passion without knowledge to guide.
    Knowledge binds without the strength to act.
    Power blinds without the serentity to see.
    There is freedom in life.
    There is purpose in death.
    The Force is in all thing and I am the Force.

  • @snorlaxmunch8675
    @snorlaxmunch8675 Před rokem +1

    There is light and there is dark cant be a person without both

  • @dragonprinceaemond
    @dragonprinceaemond Před rokem

    10000% correct

  • @josephfenech9401
    @josephfenech9401 Před rokem

    I wholeheartedly agree with Luke Skywalker's philosophy. The old Jedi order should have used this instead of shutting out the Dark-Side out of fear. Fear is the monster that made Anakin into Darth Vader, Dooku into Count Dooku (AKA Darth Tyrannus), and Ben Solo into Kylo Ren. The same monster that caused so many Jedi to fall.

  • @MrLu777
    @MrLu777 Před rokem

    Basically he kind of went back to what a Jedi was before the division and added it some extra rules. In the beginning the Jedi were familiar with both sides. Some started to use the force for the wrong purposes and the division started.

  • @Alex-ng6hc
    @Alex-ng6hc Před měsícem

    It would've been nice to see this storyline in the sequel trilogy. I also wish that they used this idea in Episode 9, like Colin Trevorrow originally intended. Hopefully, the New Jedi Order film will be inspired by this storyline