Those People: AIDS in the Public Mind (KQED Current Affairs Department, 1987)
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- Documents the lives of a number of San Franciscans living with AIDS/ARC who have tried to face society's terror and paranoia. Shows the efforts of friends and families of AIDS victims who steadfastly support their loved ones, the efforts of the Shanti Project to provide physical and psychological services to AIDS/ARC victims, and the personal efforts of Bobby Reynolds who has confronted society's fears through his writings and speeches.
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Diagnosed on my birthday in 1987.
Still here.....doing well. 73 y.o.
Have outlived everyone. Facing the future quietly and alone.
This is a strange place to be.......
I hope you’re still doing ok! 💕
I have friend that is HIV but undetectable.hes found out in 2002. And they are still taking their meds and are living a long life thanks to taking them. They are 60 years old. If medicine didn't exist.. my friend would have been dead a long time ago.
I know what you mean...
The things you must have lived through and endured. ❤
you are not alone there are till many of us out there still alive :-) i was so scared to get my diagnosis until 1986 as i was a very young man who had no grasp on how to handle the trauma of what was then for us a horrendous time. I am thankful to hear of people like yourself who made it through those times and went on to make some kind of life and i hope you did. I know there would have been a lot of trauma you would have had to process before you could lead a relatively fullfilling life. I empathise with you sentiment though of it being a strange place to be and i would hug you and give you company.
For some reason this popped up in my youtube feed today and I immediately recognized Sean who I had not seen since 1978. He was my friend in Massachusetts before he took off to San Fran for the ballet. So funny and so sweet. So proud to have known him and his family. I know you fought this hard. Thanks for the visit Sean!
Do you feel that if he never left Mass he may not have caught it being that Mass wasn't a hot bed with it at that time?
Paul, Your friend Sean also visited me today in my youtube feed. Sean's courage and positivity during his time of uncertainty is an inspiration for how I hope to lead my life
Sean’s presence really struck me; beautiful features, beautiful bright eyes, powerful spirit. I admire his courageous demonstration of valiant acceptance of this frightening journey into the Unknown - the path of sickness and the shadow of Death, which Fate bestowed him despite being young and in the prime of his life. His ability to see the bright side of an objectively tragic condition, the openness of his Heart to get the most out of the experience. The dying process is an opportunity for enormous spiritual growth when approached without the static of resisting reality, but with brave and noble faith that even here a secret gift is waiting; an opportunity to grow into the Light..
Freddie Mercury’s Mary Austin was very pregnant and had a small child while Freddie was sick and dying in the late 80s to 91 , she hugged him , kissed him and was around 2other men in his house that were HIV positive , she was a true friend
Yep and Bobby Reynolds sister wouldn't even be in the same room as her brother. She comes off as having attitude in this interview because I think she knew she would get backlash.
There’s a video of Freddie’s last Christmas where he’s playing with the child.
They were clean people, not pigs. That helps.
@@rainbowsparkles6963his sister was awful. By 1986, it was known that you couldn’t get AIDS through casual contact. I don’t believe for a second that every doctor told her not to be around her brother. What a cop out.
Rita Rocket who fed and danced for the patients on Ward 5B, visited them when she was pregnant and hugged them, etc. Susan Reynolds was the worst.
@@rainbowsparkles6963 I didn’t detect any attitude. It’s easy to judge her through the lense of modern information and culture, but most people would not have considered her to be irrational at that time.
It breaks my heart. All these wonderful people had to suffer so much. Watching this documentary brings back those days, I lost so many friends in then West Berlin. My biggest gratitude to those who helped and cared, my love to those who are not with us anymore.
I was involved in the care of my hospital's first AIDS patient. Naturally he was frightened because no one really knew what to do. We treated him kindly as we did every patient. Many of us prayed and cried for him. He didn't make it.
as far as i know nobody diagnosed with AIDS in 80s made it. Someone correct me if i'm wrong
Did his boyfriend visit him?
The lack of compassion and empathy, and the mockery- why are people so cruel? Fear is not a justification for being a awful human being. But perhaps hate is- it’s all so wrong. Hate is fueled by ignorance and anger. My heart breaks.
I thought the same thing about COVID.
most people are just SHIT
Yeah, that's so easy to say today, decades later when so much more is understood about HIV and AIDS.
At that time no one knew what to believe, so, yes ... people were afraid. It wasn't "hate," dumbass, it was fucking fear.
When stupid people keep sleeping with infected people and druggies keep sharing needles they are purposely spreading it
Even you didn't know and were scared at one point so let's stop pretending, idiot. It's human to fear what could kill us when we don't know. Nobody is justifying it. But it explains it.
@12:00 -- "Sean O'Neill, died July 2, 1987, at age 29. Dancer and critic. Danced with Pacific Ballet and edited San Francisco Ballet program." 😢
in the 80's and 90's people were dying of AIDS in droves. I grew up in the 90's and all i heard was talk about AIDS and warnings for people to be careful, be safe and get tested. Today there are commercials about AIDS medication with men kissing. I think this generation needs to revisit videos like this because AIDS is still very much real. People are still dying from AIDS.
Especially in countries like mine South Africa were 100 of thousands are still dying annually
Yes and the media doesn't say that, bisexual men spread AIDS to INNOCENT women and children via sex and blood donation- that is a FACT. If there were NO gay men there would be NO AIDS. My late mother, a catholic, said God did that as it was NOT natural proper way of living- men married women as in the bible. My late mother said that she did NOT like how AIDS is treated in recent years (before she died) in commercials as a casual affliction and how they call it 'HIV' now and not AIDS, as if to make people /public feel it is a common thing, like the flu or tonsilitis, diabetes, etc.... She said that is all the manner in which liberals present thiings in the media to make gayness seem normal. she was very wise old school woman. ALL my relatives were
I agree. Important history.
@@larrywakeman4371 That's complete nonsense.
The commercials are for people who have HIV, not AIDS
No, I'm sorry, you NEVER shun ANYONE when they are sick. It's a true test of one's character and loyalty. Too see exactly what kind of person you are.
I think you're being a little too critical here. Some people are very afraid of contracting infectious diseases.That does not make them someone with a character flaw or any less caring.
So..if you didn't know how a disease was contracted, you'd be on the front line and then go home, risking giving it to your family? Yeah right.
@@tansman1exactly. When a doctor is telling you that they don't know if it's safe what do you do? Knowledge was limited then than it is now.
Back when AIDS/HIV was a new thing, people didn't know anything about it. There was no reason to not believe the worst.
Such beautiful, kind, warm-hearted and compassionate people.
Dr Steven Mehalko died of aids in 1995. He devoted so much of his career to treating people with aids and I've seen him in a lot of documentaries/aids footage so very sad to learn he passed too. Rest in peace
Was Mehalko gay? Or was it an inadvertent needle stick...
@@barneyronniefrom what I just finished researching. He neither declined or opposed what they were implying he had.
@@barneyronnie Dr. Mehalko was openly gay. I met him once and knew other docs who knew him well. He was a great physician and a tremendous warrior in helping those with AIDS.
@@crocodile1313 Thank you! What is most important to me is that he made gallant efforts to treat AIDS patients. I'm retired from medicine, but remember being disgusted by physicians who refused to examine/ treat any patients that were suspected of having AIDS. It became VERY clear, early in the epidemic, that transmission via casual contact was virtually nil. I was doing a residency in London from '77 - '81 where there were fewer cases than in the states. I treated a couple of HIV patients while in the UK, and found the epidemic to be worse here in the States. What was even more pathetic were healthcare workers becoming homophobic as a result of the groups of people (gay) that were hit hardest. All physicians take the Hippocratic Oath, or at least we did at Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai, and I took it very seriously. It broke my heart that I was unable to do much for these young gay men who were succumbing to this terrible plague. I did try interferon, and AZT even before it had been approved (my medical license be damned!). We knew by the early 80s about AZT. It was not approved until 1987. Now, with the new drugs, the epidemic seems like a horrible nightmare. Please take care of yourselves, and realize that Good Health is one's greatest commodity!😊
Seemed to be the bearer of bad news too didn't he. But it was one of his jobs. Doctors have to do things that are not nice ... part of the job.
May they all rest in peace. I cannot imagine the ignorance they faced along with all hurt and fear of hey felt.
Even in 2022, I think we still see stigma. Whether it's HIV, drugs, Hep C, and even mental health. Uneducated people are so dangerous. You have to educate yourself even if you have a college degree, there's always more to learn. Don't judge others based on what you have seen on TV or heard someone say. Think for yourself and no one will ever be hurt.
Stigma is definitely still out there. When I had a routine STD panel a few years ago, my results were posted on a patient portal online-all except for the HIV test. Even though it was negative, they still gave it to me over the phone only, because it was the clinic’s policy not to post HIV results to the portal, just in case the site was hacked. All because the stigma associated with HIV was still out there.
Perfectly said
Even herpes has a stigma.
I think you’re absolutely right…. I was Hepatitis c positive when I gave birth… they made the huge error of writing down on my baby’s chart she was a drug baby when I had nothing in my system….I didn’t get my hep c tho a needle but nobody even asked they just assumed and that’s bs…. having your first child is a huge experience you want to hold onto…I still can’t believe it
Even covid has a Stigma
Rest in peace Bobby, Mark and Sean ❤❤❤
Well that answers that question. 😨😨😨 Twenty minutes in and literally what I came here to find out. May they rest in peace. ♥️🙏🏾
BAAAHAAA 😂
❤
Bobby and Sean both passed in 1987. RIP.
Gooooood!!!!!!!!!
From aids?
@@drchristophereldenobrien7793 really? I, mean, come on!
Rip
You damn right they did everybody did back then, my uncle was gay and I swear he was going to funerals twice a week
Thanks for uploading!
Here we are,,,,thanks to the all those beautiful people who have gone before,,,,,, I myself have lost Forty Three wonderful friends and lovers as a result of AIDS , with me it goes back as far as HTLV3 days , my own diagnosis came on the Third February 1984 .
No one who lived through those awful times will ever be the same again.
We will walk through the rest of our lives alongside the Spirits of the people we loved,,,, and it’s a great comfort in our quieter moments to still have a talk with them. I’m sending love to you all,,be good to yourself, ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I hope u will live a healthy and long life..
Wow you have lived with this disease for a long time!! And I pray u have many more years.,!!
You're such a strong person it sounds like. I can't imagine the pain of AIDS, though I am on chemo from autoimmune diseases, I'm fortunate and admire those who go through more than me and stay with hope in their lives (like you).
I hope you remember that you are loved by the people who know and knew in the past, and you'll always have that love as far as you go in life, my friend ❤
You have 43 friends lost to Aids?? Damn! Because of sharing needles? Same sex intercourse without protection?? Please share some more lightning on that horrible loss of lives
Glad you made it this far tho.
@@Brother_frojd weird and disturbing. Why would you want details
thank you for making this video available. It brought back those terrible times. I was 18 when it all began in sydney and the stories shown of these men really hit home. To see so many friends left to die alone and seeing partners so frightened that they discarded their loved ones. I often wonder how they processed that for themselves in their later years. I was there for some of those who were left alone and the pain of dying was traumatic enough but to be left completely alone by the very people who loved them was such an added burden that was often worse then the impact of the illness they endured....its a sadness i will never forget.
My uncle was so good to me and I totally abandon him, but I was young and it was 1988 but it's my biggest regret he died all alone scared
@ericbryant-dz8mj
Forgive yourself! He has already forgiven you. Most importantly, God forgave you! 🙏🏿
I have friends who have AIDs and a few of them were infected in the 1980s. I tell all my gay and straight friends this same thing. Get tested before going to bed with someone and dont share needles if you do drugs.
if you're using condoms you don't need to get tested before having sex with someone.
i agree
outside of the quite rare instance of blood transfusion infection its quite easy to not get hiv/aids... don't be an iv drug user and don't live a promiscuous lifestyle...and don't have sexual contact with anyone who has done those things. Doesn't have to be gay or straight issue... basics and you'll be fine. This video is about a bunch of people who most likely frequented bath houses, prostitutes, and were quite familiar with glory holes. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
In fact, AIDS and the HIV virus were God wrath against sinners and gays, and its fire spread to the rest of society.
@@christinapearson4287You replied to yourself lol
Bobby looked quite well in this considering his illness. But it is sad that he still passed away later on in 1987.
💜😥the social death, just must've been unbearable.
RIP all ❤🌿🙏, what brave people they were faced the epidemic HIV virus
Unfortunately, in 1982, when Bobby Reynolds developed KS, he most likely initially infected with HIV in around 1975.
15 years I hung around HIV people. I never understood the why more didn't. Those were some of my best years! They embraced life without fear. Partying like it was 1999.
It depends on the year you "hung with them ' because my uncle had it in like 88 and nobody had a clue how it could be passed on
Wow.. everyone is smoking inside.. I remember those days 😢
Lucky we didn't get lung cancer
@@ericbryant-dz8mjUnprotected sex and cigarettes are good for you 😂, especially if both done regularly for a long time 😂😂😂
I think all adults in the world smoked in the 80s didn't they?
Yup born 89 I remember going out to eat with my parents and there were smoking sections lol
@@kevinprior3549 Yeah.
Too many, TBH.
this documentary was a very hard one to watch and the reactions of people back then treating people with it with contempt even in the medical field, like the nurses treating them was just disgusting. as if they werent suffering enough
As if their irresponsible sexual behavior didn't infect the rest of the world.
I love seeing Mark
This is awesome but I couldn't do anything but cry a lil bit
My Mom worked in the hospital pharmacy during the early 80's. She would mix the meds for the AIDS patients on the cancer ward floor. The media kept saying it was a gay disease but at least twice a month a pregnant woman would get diagnosed with it. They had one guy on the cancer ward floor with it that I know of. He had KS lesions on his face and by the end of thirty days it covered his whole face. I was in second grade and felt sorry for him because no one ever came to see him, his brother came once. I always waved at him from the door because I felt sorry for him. He eventually died because the side of his face with the lesion fell off right as I stood at the door. I ran and told a nurse. I wasn't allowed to go into the rooms because my Mom told me they were very sick and didn't want to babysit. Our family got lucky since we had two gay cousins of my Dad and another two were iv drug users. My best friends Mom also had it, they had to tell people it was lung cancer because they were scared of being kicked out of their rental home. The way people acted pissed me off then and I still get mad about it when I think of it now as an adult.
Yes you were very lucky to have the gay cousins & the IV drug users. 🧐
@@julieann4616 I know they don’t finish their thought but you and I both are intelligent enough to infer that they meant they were lucky to have these family members and those particular family members didn’t get infected with or pass away from HIV/AIDS.
The pregnant woman either used iv drugs, was sleeping around with anyone she felt like in the moment, or slept with people who did those things. She doesn't have to be gay.. the guy who knocked her up can infect her if he lived a lifestyle that got him hiv/aids.
In fact, AIDS and the HIV virus were God wrath against sinners and gays, and its fire spread to the rest of society.
Those lesions don't fall off you must have thought it was the lesions and it was something else as kids our mind plays tricks on us
I grew up in the 90s. I distinctly remember an episode of Bill Nye where HIV was mentioned. He emphasized that HIV couldn't be transmitted through everyday contact. There was also a segment with several teenagers, about 1/2 had HIV, at an amusement park. Looking back, the teenagers without HIV were VERY DELIBERATELY hugging and high-fiving the ones with HIV. It still comes to mind when I think about the disease.
That sister is horrible abandoning her brother like that
His sister died in 1991. I don't know what the cause of death was but she died young too.
@@rainbowsparkles6963 And the sister’s husband fell off a cliff trying to rescue his dog… 😱 You can’t make this stuff up! So sad, so much tragedy…
She was just ignorant and scared. It was early days back then.
@@teapug9624my neighbor fell off her porch giving CPR to her dog and now she's paralyzed from the neck down and the dog died ... life is crazy
This is what I'm having trouble understanding. If a prostitute tells me she's tested positive for hiv there's no way I'd have sex with her. Did he think she was just making conversation?
Back then just the mention of AIDS-filled people with fear.
You shouldn't have sex with any prostitute. Let alone trust them.
I feel like he is lying🤥
He probably didn't know what it meant or the consequences of it. It was a while before it was confirmed as a sexually transmitted disease. There was a lot of ignorance about it ....including it being a homosexual disease. Hence he thought he was safe.
SICK
Those that ran and threw out the friends and family with AIDS, I hope never forget what they did.
Amen.
It seems the more severe the first two weeks of infection, the better chance recovery and true success.
Lung cancer obviously not a priority
As a person born in the late 2000's who is still in the closet (fingers crossed for when I turn 21 because that's when I'm planning on coming out) I think lots of gay people in my age group don't know a lot about the AIDS epidemic eventhough it's within living memory for most people which is why for my school book report I did mine on And The Band Played On by Randy Shilts and it really helped me understand how severe this situation was. I hope most young people try to educate them selves on this topic so that we can stop something like this from happening in the future.
I find complacency coupled with fear and willfull ignorance are the worst possible combinations and that these days with medicines being so much more advanced people dont worry enough about conditions like hiv and aids and are less cautious with their health and protection as a result. some people will take prep and think well to hell with it im safe now uno. I wish you the best with coming out when the time comes and stay safe :)
Just go straight my dude.
most people dont care now but your intimate life is your privacy. coming out destroys that. food for thought, just trying to offer my 62 years of life experience
you don't need to come out. just live your life and do your thing eventually they'll catch up. or not. but don't feel pressured to do anything.
Good for you.❤ I grew up during this time, and it was SO SCARY! I still can't believe it took as long as it did to come out with the drugs (ESPECIALLY Prep!) to make it not a death sentence anymore. It was absolutely a GUT WRENCHING time.
Never forget. ❤
It was such a difficult time to live through. I think I have PTSD from it.. I remember a hospice rotation when I was in medical school in Chicago in 1992 and 50% of the patients were AIDS patients dying in 30s... So many people died
I’m so thankful my mom and her friends taught me that HIV/AIDS wasn’t something that someone catches easily, nor that it was a “gay disease”. Overall, I was taught early we are all susceptible to various illnesses and just because you have it doesn’t mean you’re a bad person. I can’t tell you the amount of people I continuously STILL have to educate.
They'll be other diseases you don't know everything about... Get your ego under control.
@@jackwatson3944
I’ll keep my ego if it means standing up to misinformation, needless exclusion, and bigotry.
@@misstekheadstop using such pathetic words to excuse immoral behavior
the illustrations of asian people were outta pocket
The selfishness of every fear mongering person sprayed society with their ignorance. Those who were lost to AIDS, especially in the early years when it was called GRID suffered in isolation, left alone in one of the boldest communities in our days. Tragic, gut wrenching. May their memories be a blessing.
Unbelievable, that smoking was still going on indoors.
I would say the indoor smoking would be far worse for a person dying of AIDS because their already weakened immune systems couldn't handle the burden of tobacco smoke's many toxins.
I lost my aunt from aids more than 15 years ago, she didn't deserve it. She didn't want to take her meds.
How did she get it?
HER IMMEDIATE FAMILY IS HER BROTHER WTF... He was around way before her loser husband. How incredibly sad.
I know, that was SO fucked. They were obviously super judgmental.
I remember the fear of not knowing how it spreads… however, fear didn't excuse bad treatment of AIDS people.
I am interested in medical history....people own story ..... I am born in 1980 ....so I remember as a small child the fears around AIDS..... its sad how fear controls society or make pre judgemental towards others ..... but I believe that's is never changed if something new comes up
June 20th 1980 is my birthday
I suspect the panic amongst people when AIDS first came out is similar to when Covid first come out 3 years ago?
Watching this I feel a weird connection with Bobbie Reynold, he was so handsome and funny, even though I was just 14 years old when he passed away. RIP
7.55 Dodge Charger rt440
1970 great car .....
Sweet! Even looks like the shorter front. Could it be a 500 model?
The way everyone smoked inside just everywhere seems so mad also
I remember people smoking in pubs but not like inside at work
Healthcare workers truly, truly, are such Heros* ! Think how terrifying something like AIDS, an unknown disease. Less contagious but more lethal than Covid-19, and how it was spread wasn't at first completely understood in the early days. And all of the stigma, and they cut through that with compassion, care, and bravery. Really gives you hope in humanity in a way.
FUND HEALTHCARE. NOT WARFARE. If society did that, it'd be a better world, as evidenced by the amazingly brave ppl in this vid.
As someone with HIV I’ve never felt so blessed to live now. It was no picnic but What a nightmare when your own sister leaves you to rot.
Covid isn’t a picnic either
I can tell you that in the throes of hiv it feels like your innards are hemorrhaging out of you. It’s a painful death. Both are horrible diseases but his sister could’ve visited him …even if it’s behind a glass wall. The loneliness the early patients felt from this treatment took away their will to live in a lot of cases.
The 1 guy in the aids apartment looks so much like john holmes i had to do a double take😂😂😂. I wonder how many ppl told him that.
According to me these people never die they remain in our life forever, especially the situation there is no cure accepting the reality win the death is a great one..🤗
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You die twice in life once when your heart stops and the second time is when your name is said for the last time
The guy on the couch looks like John holmes. Afro and all😂😂
Subtitles in Portuguese, please!
R.I.P ROY NOTTISTEAD. (LONG LIVE "THE TRASH DOGS"!!!
That is porn legend John Holmes with the blonde curly hair at 24:45. Died of AIDS in 1988.
You are his sister!!! I understand fear, but at the same time she totally shunned him. So tragic
People just didn’t know at that time. Just think how much worse the people overreacting to Covid was, it has a 98% survival rate, aids at that time was guaranteed death
@@justinelliott3529 Don't misinform people like this.
@@seanwebb605I can’t see what I said to defend it
@@justinelliott3529 Good. It appears that they took it down.
Bobby reynolds sister and brother in law lets get real! they hated the fact he was gay it had nothing to do with aids! I lost my brother in 1992 i loved him, he was my hero and I miss him every day since! These are my heroes for all they went through, for all of those before for all of those now we love you we are here!
Was he gay?
Well she's dead I don't know how but she was young, and her husband fell off a cliff trying to save his dog.. life is a trip
Bobbi Reynold's sister passed away in 1991.
that's a horrible thing to say. his sister didn't do anything to deserve that comment.
What happened to her
And her husband fell off a cliff trying to rescue his dog... life is insane
Sean, so tragic, too early! Did your Japanese girls like the blonde-haired American? I guess so.
If your symptoms surfaced perhaps 5 years later then the outcome could have been different!
i gotta say larry did look like the professor dad in the film call me by your name .
Bobby looked relatively well in this but Sean didnt look so well i think. Both seemed such good guys. Both died too young as did too many did due to AIDS.
Infact people still die from it!
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No one has forgotten. We were separated as children. Never ⁉️ fed in the lunchroom. Our 🛏️ parents fed us at home. Clinics provided medications for us. We couldn't ask where our parents were. We accepted treatment. They gave us passports. The English royal navy came for us. The Soviet Union provided shelter. We were constantly moved all over the 🌍 world.
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Who is the lady faking to be a Chinese narrator? LOL.
that's supposed to be chinese?
I thought it was a canadian accent lmao
Exactly 😆😆
Can’t wait for critical shanti gendr
It’s so sad that it took something like this to bring gay men together. Throughout of my life as a gay male, I’ve always wanted community and close relationships with other gay men, but it just doesn’t really seem like there’s a community outside of the club or just haven’t found it.. unfortunately sometimes in life it takes something horrible to bring people together
Back then it was scary. His sister was trying to be safe with the info she had. Hopefully they tried to keep the relationship open until more info was available.
she chose to focus on herself and her kids rather than do anything for her dying brother. she chose to bury her head in the sand.
Wasn't a very good sister
Rossini 😍
That thumbnail look like payton manning. Lol
This is about 36 years ago i was born in 89... Wow how time has past and information has changed and gotten much easier to attain. Condolences and prayers for the families, those mourning, those suffering here or past on in peace. ⛡
5:17 it’s FACT not opinion
That's NOT fact. You should be smart enough to know that the HIV/AIDS epidemic in Africa, Asia, Russia, and Ukraine aren't majority gay. That's only in the West.
The people that say that this disease is a punishment from God are purely despicable!!! Obviously these people never truly listened to the word of God! Passing judgment on these dying sick scared people is actually a test from God to see how you really value the lives of All Gods children. We are all Gods children shame on these hateful people!!!!!
In fact, AIDS and the HIV virus were God wrath against sinners and gays, and its fire spread to the rest of society.
God destroyed the people of Saddam who were gay
In the present time, it destroys gay men
First, investigate why God destroyed the people of Sodom
No disrespect but the Bible doesn’t say we are all Gods children. It’s says we are all his creation. Keep in mind the Bible also have a truth that God destroyed an entire city called sodom and Gomorrah. All sexual sins have bad repercussions not just homosexuality.
God's Word tells us that we're all created in God's image, but only someone redeemed through the blood of Christ can be called a child of God.
It is so ignorant. God doesn’t work like that. When Reagan was president. Supposedly there was a bumper sticker that said age is killing all the right people. No matter what you think cause aids, or being gay, I would never buy that bumper sticker let alone posted.
I was really struck by one of the guys with AIDS being interviewed who described his family as having "selfish attitudes" because they were worried about getting it. In the 80s, very little was known about it. I think the best they could say was that getting it through casual contact was unlikely. Of course any rational person would be terrified of contracting it! I think it would be selfish of anyone who had it to expect their friends and family to possibly subject themselves to certain suffering and death.. It's one thing if you weigh the risks and make a decision to be there for the person, but I don't think the expectation to do so is fair (considering how new the disease was.) It's very very sad, what they went through, though. Heartbreaking.
It is selfish to abandon your family member to die because of your fear. He was the one dying, and he deserved comfort from his family
@@Zac-oz9lj If you don’t know how it’s transmitted, if medical professionals can’t say how it’s transmitted, then you have to protect yourself and your children. I don’t see the sister as abandoning her brother, she had no verified information on transmission, she was pregnant, I don’t blame her for wanting to protect her unborn children. After the ways of transmission were known and verified by the medical community, then I can see being around her brother again. And it sounds more like HE abandoned HER. He was hurt by her wanting to protect her children, which I get, but he didn’t bother to see it from her side, so he quit talking to her.
Yea it's human defense to be scared and stay away from disease, especially a horrific one like this. It was brand new nobody knew anything. Even today. If something new came out you would stay away. It's as horrific disease I don't understand why they didn't use condoms after they knew that's what caused it. They spread it a lot and most don't care, some knowingly give it to their partners that is horrible. Why would you want someone to suffer like you. That disease is really horrible I wish it never came
It was not 1970, it was 1984, scientists already gave explanations why it was impossible to transmit in any other way. Her fears were irrational as in 2023 as it is in 1984.
@@nikicarrie4071 most of them got it around 1970s, condom was mostly used for birth control so you will get it why gays never used it. After 1980 most gays thought they already have it. Most deaths happened because of regan govt ignorance not because of community.
Imagine if it was covid
It's hard to imagine anything could overpower him
Ah yes, ignoring your mental and physical well-being to pedestal victims as if they are the sole universe is constructive. /s
From the 1900s until now this sickness has been spread and spread threw 1 group of ppl, all there wives looked close to the same (and they were not all blondes) and had something in common
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@@donquijotedelamancha3529 gotta be some kinda jewish conspiracy nut.
Azt
The last photo of boby reynolds he is o😊NLY skin and bones
I think back then the sister was justified with her fear.She had her kids to consider,her husband and her own well being.If you have a doctor telling you not to have any contact with your brother because we just don't know.Fear will paralyze you.Im sure if she's still alive she may feel bad but you can't blame her.He main objective was to protect her kids & hisband.
naw she was dead wrong for treating her brother like that, i never take doctors words as final i research myself
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td how?
@@JordanWilliams-ix2td when there was no research to find how are you going to do that ?
Absolutely justified in being afraid.. and we all still should be afraid of hiv/aids...its not gone. Another thing to consider is its not just hiv/aids you have to worry about getting from a person. In general that's easy to avoid, but its the viruses and bacteria that their body is unable to keep in check which is much easier to get. Things that we all carry around on and in us that normally are not dangerous, but when dealing with aids patients are. Its not about bigotry.. its about self preservation. I mean if I am at a store and I see someone coughing and sneezing and looking sick as hell I'm not going to stand behind them in line. Now imagine a coworker telling you they have aids and then one day you find them looking sick as hell and coughing, sneezing, etc... gonna act like its no big deal? Hell no ...if you don't want hiv/aids then take responsibility for your own life.. don't be an iv drug addict, don't live a life that involves rampant promiscuity, and be damn sure that the people you surround yourself with or engage in sexual activity with don't either.
@@wpochert Ikr, no interwebs
The good old days when you could smoke indoors
Why didn't they take anti HIV drugs?
there were none. "cocktails" for hiv weren't discovered till the later 90s. even then, the drugs didn't work for everyone and there were also awful side effects. after a year or three many gave up - the drugs were just so toxic. it's only since the earlier 00s medicine has been able to develop pharmaceuticals that are more easily tolerated.
The antiretrovirals weren't available then.
As bad as a lot of the reactions were, it really seems like society in general was better than now, there were more moms around:( stupid reagonomics, capitalism hit later, ruined everything
This is still legitimate, the same no condoms crowd is the same shame and neglect them dignity crowd, seen it with my own eyes, congratulations to all surviving with this, doesn't make it any easier to live, the discrimination is real.
And now Rona is being blamed on the Chinese.
Interesting historical pattern.
umm it started in China…
Lol it started in china so the blame fits. If the United States released virus that killed millions other countries would blame them. It’s perfectly rational
THEY CREATED IT to take ove tthe USA with creepy Joe Bidet- he is with them, wake up!
The lady photo of boby reynolds he os ONLY skin and bones 😊
Wear a mask, and keep six feet apart.
I like eggs and grits
I like your hore of a mother
Bobby and Mark, BAAAHAAA 😂
I'm lgbt pwa to!
Does refraining from using heroin, and using condoms that much of a hassle for these people?? Really???
A lot of "these people" in this video were infected before anyone knew what aids was. The virus can lay dormant in your body anywhere from 5 to 10 years. Some cases, even longer than that.
I would imagine it's a bigger hassle than you adopting proper grammar and English in your sentences.
It's hard for them to think properly being so disgusting and perverted
Iknow it is disgusting
Raw dawging
Always blame everything on the Chinese even today!
Norm Macdonald, of blessed memory, had a great joke about AIDS:
"I've discovered the cure for AIDS....don't do intravenous drugs, don't get fucked in the ass. Disease cured..."
And today new HIV infections are statistically most prevalent in straight people. Time makes fools of us all, I suppose.
@@inflikktion Not in America. According to the CDC, in 2020 homosexual men accounted for 71% of new HIV diagnoses in the USA. Given that homosexual men only represent 1-2% of the populace, that overrepresentation is even more dramatic. Norm's hilarious joke contains a huge kernel of truth, as it always did...
@@cantilever America is a drop in the ocean in terms of HIV infection, but I suppose it's rather American of you to default to it.
The bulk of HIV infections worldwide are in the breeders, made even worse because at least the rainbow mafia get tested more often, and tend to be aware of their status much sooner.
Interestingly, the strain of HIV moving among the straight population also looks to be more virulent and dangerous, now that's hilarious!
@@inflikktion I default--and Norm defaulted--to the context, viz., America, in which I have the most knowledge due to my lived experience. Norm's joke would probably have to be adapted to fit, say, South Africa: "Don't rape lesbians in order to cure them. And don't rape children in order to cure yourself." But in the country where I live, and he lived, his joke is as relevant and trenchant as ever--vide the statistic I provided...
@@cantilever Well I think we both agree that the joke is just as relevant and funny now as it was then, but I'm not sure why you'd look at my original comment, check the US statistics only, then assume I was wrong without checking the numbers for the planet that America is a part of?
If nothing else I can see why you might see our Norm as a fountain of sparkling wit I suppose.
Praise the Lord for his punishments for lack of understanding and wisdom especially for those who are abomination. Holy and true are his judgments.
So your God loves lesbians, he gave STD to gays and heterosexuals.
Let's all be change gender and become lesbians, praise the Lord 😂
And this why you lost the culture war
God destroyed the people of Saddam who were gay
In the present time, it destroys gay men
why God destroyed the people of Sodom
God doesn't exist.
You speak of God tet your attitude is that of the devil
Hilarious when that dude talks about his lectures after contracting HIV: ' I have touched men ' Yeah, dude, that was the problem.
bisexual men spread AIDS to INNOCENT women and children via sex and blood donation- that is a FACT. If there were NO gay men there would be NO AIDS. My late mother, a catholic, said God did that as it was NOT natural proper way of living- men married women as in the bible. My late mother said that she did NOT like how AIDS is treated now in commercials as a casual affliction and how they call it 'HIV' now and not AIDS, as if to make people /public feel it is a common thing, like the flu or tonsilitis, diabetes, etc.... She said that is all the manner in which liberals present thiings in the media to make gayness seem normal. she was very wise old school woman. ALL my relatives were
Smells like bigotry around here...
Got AIDS Yet
Touching is not a problem with AIDS. Won't get it that way.
There are more straight people with AIDS now than gay people.
The wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23.
"For the wages of sin is death"
~ HOLY BIBLE, Romans 6:23
God doesn't exist. Wake up.
@@donquijotedelamancha3529how do you know did you die before?
@unitedstatesirie7431 - It is likely everyone who died of AIDS or living with it are sacrifices for everyone else due to certain risky and experimental materials and methods of vaccine production before it arrived. They say they don't know how the AIDS epidemic started. But when you know enough, the likelihoods become glaring.
At best, they were a sacrifice for you. At worst, they were targeted. It might even be both. This is so much bigger than finding a viral cousin in Africa that didn't cause an epidemic in the early twentieth century. More crucial factors were present by the mid-twentieth century. And some evidence indicates foreknowledge ten years before AIDS was noticed.
Why was the guy that got the hivvies, from the hooker, in prison?
Do you watch Scrubs?
@@kmsleyang8972 No.
@@WeedSlut187 oh I’m sorry. It’s just that they called HIV “hivvies” on that show. Even had a dance. That’s why I asked.
@@kmsleyang8972 Ahh!!
Curb crawling?
In those days people really were afraid of getting aids from anywhere.just being around someone with aids.we all know now that’s not true so I can understand to a degree.but there was also most definitely people who used that as an excuse bcuz really they just didn’t accept gay people being gay which I’m glad it’s not like that as much today.I have a close friend who is gay and if he ever had to go through aids or the hate against being gay it would sure break my heart.we can always be better
I regret how I treated my uncle he was always so good to me, but I was young and it was 1988 and we just didn't know...he died all alone