The Definitive Guide on the Phase I vs Phase II Clone Armour Debate - Which Was Truly Superior?
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0:00 Intro
0:56 Phase I
3:03 Phase II
5:51 Which Was Better?
8:30 Outro - Kråtké a kreslené filmy
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Captain Rex: "Looks like we got ourselves a batch of *shinies,* Commander."
Echo: "Shinies, sir?"
Captain Rex: "That's right. Your armor - it's shiny and new. Just like you."
Also Captain Rex, âRoger. Roger. â
Also Rex: *Giggle* at Anakin "sky guy" nickname
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âIâm always first kidâ.
Always loved that episode.
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The kaminoans tried making clone armour out of plot resistant materials, but the mando's beat them to it
Plop armor.
I definitely loved how Captain Rex used both parts of Phase I and II for both durability and flexibility
Honestly, Rexâs hybrid armor was the best in my opinion. It takes the most effective attributes from both: the strength of phase 1 with the flexibility of phase 2. I daresay it couldâve been the template for phase 3 if things were different.
Plus, it looks cool đ
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I think Rex decided to make a hybrid because the phase 1 chestplate saved his life.
Yea for real, Iâve never really thought about Rexâs hybrid armor too much beyond the fact that he customized parts of it until this great video
Perfectly said.
Phase 1 helmets are my favourite helmets in all science fiction.
Honestly they could release a season of The Clone Wars dedicated to the various characters making upgrades to their kit. Rex fusing his armor, Anakin upgrading the bucket ship he and Ahsoka got when they rescued Rotta the Hutt, all of it.
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I do not understand why Captain Rex's mod was not made a universal thing throughout the GAR...might as well have issued a phase 2.5 or something.
They called him a mad man, because they couldn't comprehend his genius
Most likely either logistical or political reasons. Or Palpy reasons.
Probably the fact that the war was turning clearly in the GARs favor once Phase 2 came out. Probably figured the war would end soon so to reequip en masse, again, just wouldnt be economical
I used to call it phase 1.5 because itâd after phase 1 and a bit before phase 2.
@@gavindelgado3560 didnât they already have a 1.5 judging from the first arc troopers
I liked both phase one and phase two both have interesting designs and upgrades
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Now I get why Rex said Phase One in Rebels after being nailed from B1s and droidekas.
Correct me if Iâm wrong, but another difference between the 2 armors were the prices:
Phase 1- 2,000 credits
Phase 2- 3,000 credits.
As someone whoâs revisiting Battlefront 2004, I find it uncanny seeing Phase 1 Clones during the Battle of Kashyyyk, but itâs unique I guess.
Honestly in prolonged combat you want gear that's not going to overheat or exhaust your troopers. I think Rex had the right idea putting the most armor on the chest area. That's where the major organs that need protecting are (look at Military and Law Enforcement armor systems).
With how long the Clone army was in development you'd think the armor wouldn't have needed any changes save for specific deployments like dessert, cold, and space. It's not like their weapons or vehicles changed much throughout the war.
Rex's hybrid feels like a cop out when every other clone that got shot in a similar location dies. But then there's Thorn taking several shots in the chest with Phase 2 when Rex gets blown off his bike and injured from a sniper to the chest.
Definitely phase 1 armor. Itâs reminiscent of Mandalorian armor and even real life ancient Greek armor. Especially in the helmet, makes it the coolest
Agreed
On that note combine it with senate guard armor (blue clone version) for a far greater effect
@Hoggy Muscles thatâs definitely not true. Modern US soldiers and Marines can and are expected to carry up to 160lbs of gear/equipment/armor on any given day. (Why small women should not be allowed in combat)
@Hoggy Muscles granted I agree overall id want to wear the phase 2. and thank you for your service. But I believe full suits of medieval Knight armor were also around the same 88 pound mark and they were extremely formed to the wearer and maneuverable despite myths that say the opposite. Probably the phase 1 armor isnât as well tailored and weight evenly distributed as perfect suits of armor from Medieval/Renaissance perioid. (Im sure the kaminoans wouldnât care that much) but the fact the whole army is made of clones and wears the same size probably helps with the overall design fitting somewhat well
@Hoggy Muscles just telling you these armour are exclusively made for clones, bred from fetuses to be the most hard-core army the galaxy has ever seen. They definitely know the limits of clone armour
If we go by in universe comments and referances to the various armors in both comfort and protection, then the winner by much is actually the Phase II Clone armor.
If we ignore any "game stats" out there, and look at what is written and said in universe, then the phase 2 armor is designed for added mobility, lighter weight while still providing as much protection as possible.
Also the armor suit was versitile, even the "marine armr" the "snowtooper looking" ones for the 21st Nova Corps (galactic marines) is actually a regular phase II armor with added skirts, helmet starps masks and the like, another feature of the armor was the ability to add on to it rather than later when the empire expanded the militaty machine, making "new" specialized armor, the phase II was simply a skeleton armor to add on to for all from space trooper, jump trooper, under water, snow and yes the classic marines with the "face skirt" and all,
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This is why by far the Phase II armor is the best one in the universe timeline
I wish you had also contrasted that with stormtrooper armor.
I wasn't a big fan of Phase 2 at first, it reminded me too much of the StormTroopers, but then I saw all the unique customization, especially during the Battle of Umbara with how different Rex, Fives, Jesse, Hardcase, Tup, and Dogma's armors all looked, and I loved it.
Rex had the right idea, but if I had to choose one or the other it's phase 2. The added mobility, specialist attachments and comfort win out when it's already dealing with 90% of the dangers on a battlefield. At this point all I need to do is keep my head low and get on with the job.
I would combine the best qualities of both armors along with a pinch of the armor used by the republic troops in the Old Republic mmo.
Hypothetically if there was a phase 3 I would think the armor smiths would use Rexâs armor as a template
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I like the fin on the Phase 1 helmet. Nice touch of 1950's retro futurism in there.
Can anyone pinpoint when the Phase II armors finally replaced all Phase I armors within the Clones Army? This is hard to notice if we focused on how the war goes after all.
I'm not really sure, but I would hazard a guess at some time around the second or third year of the war
The Phase Armor was an icon for the Galactic Republic Army and later the Galactic Empire though considering how troublesome the Phase I armor was it will sadly be a statement of protection rather of faulty design like all good armor are.
I think something important that he notes here is that there were things phase 2 did just as well and even better than phase 1, aside from being lighter and more comfortable. With that in mind, I think this is an example of real steel warfare principles carrying over. Irl, you donât want your body armor to be so light that it doesnât stop what is being shot at you, but you also donât want it to be so heavy and uncomfortable that you canât move as you need to. You want to find the right balance, and see if it is possible to have armor that will stop your weapons and those of your enemy while also being light enough for you to move, because keep in mind that if you canât move, youâre more likely to need the armor. So I think it was wise for them to change the design, even if they overcorrected a bit. Aside from adding more versatility and the ability to prepare clones for space missions, they made it so clones could move more freely, which likely saved lives, and based on how blaster bolts work(according to Kyle Hill) even a thinner sheet of plastic with the thick body glove underneath should be enough to stop most small arms fire.
i always liked phase 1 amour more. and there are a few reasons for that. first off i liked the look of phase 1 amour more, the fin on the helmet and the general look of the helmet is just more my taste i guess. that and i grew up with that look with the clone wars and the attack of the clones. but the bigger and deeper reason is because for me the phases symbolizes the gradual rise of the empire and the fall of democracy. when you look at the rough time of phase 2s introduction its around the same time as the army of the galactic republic became more and more like the empire. and i feel like that no where is that more telling then the gear of the clones. it was one of the first things i noted as a kid when i watched revenge of the sith. and i have just come to associate phase 2 with the gradual evil that would later become the empire. and that saddens me every time i see it because i know that order 66 is just around the corner. in short i always saw phase 2 as a step closer to the empire. and even tho i would rather where phase to if i had the choice. i still love the OG amour
Yeah I at first prefer phase 2 but phase one grew up on me
Idk maybe because of the way the helmet looks, it so simple yet neat
@@comradekenobi6908 yeah it really is, i always liked the tail fin thingy on the helmet
Finally some one has the same thought I had the phase 2 armor looks evil
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Clone armor was 88 pounds⊠goddamn they truly are troopers
So itâs like Phase 1 was like a F-15 and Phase 2 was a F-16, and stormtrooper armour was a MiG 25
I thought it was an F/A-18, the Stormie.
Visually I prefer phase 1 armor
In our own world, the resurgence of helmets and body armor was meant not to stop direct ballistic threats but shrapnel. Helmets still can't stop full-power or intermediate-caliber rounds (7.62 nato or 5.56 respectively) but significant progress has been made in those areas in recent years. Today's best ballistic helmets can stop up to .44 magnum. Body armor, however, is currently capable of stopping .30-06 Armor Piercing. Having made the advancement from flak/shrapnel protection to direct ballistic protection much faster than helmets did.
If you look at American body armor over the last 25-30 years you'll see a trend of heavier and more comprehensive protection until around 2013-2015ish. During the last 5-10 years body armor is progressing more and more to streamlined and lightweight systems. See things like today's Crye JPC vs the Interceptor body armor with all of its extra restrictive plates.
Between this and my own personal experience with body armor, lighter is better. Being able to 'hook and jab' or 'boot scoot boogie' is far more important. Lay down effective fire on the enemy so they cant return the favor.
But not much of this real-world analyse matters in an IP where their version of cutting-edge tactics is mass wave assaults.
Honestly, I think something of a hybrid of the two would be more ideal. That or at the very least let the clones make the changes as they need them. But that would probably be stepping on commando toes and stuff like that.
Personally, I would do what Rex did too and just make key parts of my suit, head and chest area more durable. It won't always look pretty but if it works. Then well.
could be upgraded to phase 3 if war gone further cause they be hella useful maybe even imrpove of such idea cvombine both worlds
@@TheBlueFoxOverlord I 100% agree, had the war continued further beyond. There very much could of been a phase 3 and that one. Could take inspiration from Rex's customization.
I dare even say. If that happened we could have seen the model to be proto storm trooper armor. Like akin to what we see in Bad Batch. :D Which would be pretty neat. But thats just my take on if it continued on.
Though if you ask me, I don't think it would have cause then well. Palp would probably slip up somewhere and well.
Even to this day, I still have a hard time believing how cunning palp is. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe its all the various legend lore and cannon stuff conflicting idk. :P
I always preferred the more sleek look of the Phase 1 helmet. The sharp curves around the jawline of the helmet and the distinct fin on the top always stood out as unique and cool.
But with what I know now, I've recently changed to the Arc trooper helmet.
It's like a perfect blend of Phase 1 and 2.
Like a Phase 1.5, it has the distinct fin, with the T-viser and nozzles of Phase 2.
"Generation one armor always holds up." - Captain Rex
Too bad it's ugly
What Rex's armor or Phase 1 armor? Cuz I think Rex's armor is pretty awesome.
Clone pilot looking at phase 1 Armour:
- I need one of those.
Tbh I prefer phase one over two but damn Rexâs armour was good.
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p1 for me, but i like heavy weapons so running fast isnt the issue so the boost to def would be my thing for sure
Video Idea: Why Stormtroopers can't Aim
It'd be too short I'd say. He'd just have to shout "Plot Armour!" And then roll the credits.
Stormtrooper can aim
Short answer theyâre suppose to work in a group so a miss wouldnt be bad as theyâre all firing at once and the helmets visor being weird
Why? No point who would go against the empire barely, any did until Luke did so and the last reason
P L O T - A R M O R
THE VIDEO I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR! NOW I CAN MAKE TWO SETS OF CLONE ARMOR!
Phase I Armor: Exists
Phase II Armor: Also Exists
Rex: Does a Fusion Dance with a clone of himself in Phase II armor and makes his hybrid gear
My FAVORITE ARMOR was the Phase 1.5 Arc Trooper that Fives wore , EVEN BETTER the Umbra Operative Arc Trooper
ARC troopers and Rex casually combining both: imma do whatâs called a pro gamer move
I think Rex has it right
A combination of the two is the best decision
When I first hit this video I thought this was a 501st clone commanders video like the one on the coruscant guard commanders. Would be cool since the 501st had five known commanders.
for my character that snuck his way into the GAR he would stick with phase 1 armor but would probably also take a blow torch to the helmet to upgrade a few components, one of them not actually being the air nozzles, dont need them if your a droid, his main issue though was making sure no one realised he was a droid, stronger armor then was his go to
Phase 1 armor is my favorite I just love the helmet design.
Great video bro
Keep the phase 1 helmet and chest plate, but replace everything else. I'm going to be a very fast tank!
Iâm personally a phase 2 guy myself because of the variety that it gives in cosmetic and equipment options like helmets Iâm a barc helmet guy personally but Rexâs hybrid armor is *chefs kiss*
Phase 2 looks dope tho just look at some arc troopers
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I know it would've been a pain to animate, but I always wondered why we don't see the occasional clone still don phase 1. It's all phase 1 or all phase 2.
I prefer Phase I. My number one priority would be protection, I want my armor to able to protect me from as many things as possible. Comfort is a secondary concern. The armors primary purpose is to keep its wearer alive in combat. A Phase III that had all of the durability and protection of Phase I but with all of the added benefits of Phase II would have been perfect.
I'd say that the out of universe explanation is that because phase 2 armor looks more like stormtrooper armor, it's meant to show the republics slow transformation into the empire
,,Phase 2 armour provided much less protection against blaster fire."
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personally phase 1 armor looks better especially the helmet there's something about the helmet that makes me adore it.
i wonder what a phase 3 amour would look like.
Iâd use a mix of the two like Rex. Iâd sacrifice a little mobility to protect my vitals and if you can see the enemy first you can hit them first by using phase one visor hud.
Objective view: for mass production and grand scale strategy Phase II
Subjective view: Phase I looks the coolest and is the most iconic
I personally like the phase 1 more, the helmets are more sleek, clean and elegant to me.
The Tvisor itself, the way the mouth droops down, the "mohawk" and its little red light on the end.
The phase 2 with those "tubes" on the bottom of the helmet and the teardrop visor isnt nearly as interesting looking to me as the phase 1.
Thats just my personal thoughts on it.
Now when it comes to some of the other helmets the clones used like the arf or pilots its a whole other story.
I LOVE that open faced clone pilot helmet from the rots opening, wish we saw more of that in the clone wars.
And yes i know the phase 1 is more like the mando helmets and the phase 2 more like the stormtrooper helmet.
Phase 2 armor is better if for no reason other than that it looks cooler
We're I a clone, I would mix bits of the different phases together, mainly keeping the phase I Cuirass.
From my understanding, most helmets like that from the era of that universe, look completely transparent from the inside(wearer's point of view) once activated
With hud, and different levels opacity of the helmet itself
Try reading Boba Fett stories, or play republic commando
i like the head crest, it resembles the fin on Kaminoan males.
It may not stop a blaster bolt from downing you, but it could mean the difference between a trip to a bacta tank or the morgue.
5:16 wait, which jedi is in this picture? their armor looks almost clone/mandolorian like
Kindda odd though that P1 1 didn't stick around as heavy armour, that extra protection still had value even if it would demand a retrofit to keep it up to the standard P2 sets.
honestly, I associate the phase I with those guys who came to the Jedi to help in Geonosis, and those who fought side by side with them. The second phase is with those who began to exterminate the Jedi.
I like phase II paras and shrouded helms like Codyâs but I also like phase I with the colored ranks and ARCs(not the hybrid finned phase II ones)
One thing Iâve wondered though looking at the pics you use in your videos: you pull from the movies, battlefront II and art from Star Wars Legion. So my question is what is the DC-15a? Is it an automatic heavy weapon like in battlefront or is it like a designated marksman weapon like in Legion?
I also prefer the look of the phase 2 armor. Great video!
Imagine this is how our soldiers of the future will be encased in armor like the clones or knights of the past. Modern militaries are definitely trying to design a full body suit using light, bullet-proof alloys.
What would the ARC trooper armor classify as?
Probably phase 1.5
The Canon ARC troopers are mostly phase 2 with the phase 1 fin
I'd personally wear Mark 2 with a Mark 1 helmet.
Both? Both. Both. Both is good.
I always looked at this as a government getting cheap. The real question is which armor had more deaths due to breach..
Rex's Hybrid armor definitely should've become standard it has to have been a Kaminoan oversight either that or Rex himself was just smart
Commando Armor (known as Katarn class) was superior to both Phase 1 and Phase 2 in virtually all regards from protection with its own deflector shielding and reinforced duraplast plating. Not to mention the addition of bacta pads available through the suit and its integrated backpack which could store gadgets, gear, and ammo + explosives.
I like the upgrades of the phase 2, but I wish they didn't alter the helmet so much, looks too much like a storm trooper, and as Rex said, the altered visor was harder to see out of, the phase one helmet is what made them stand out from the stormtroopers that came after, which is good because stormtroopers were nothing compared to Clones, they weren't even properly trained as frontline soldiers, when the Empire started the Stormtrooper training regiment, they had the 'brilliant' idea to make clone commando's their instructor's, right have commando's trained for spec ops missions train an entire army for frontline combat, real smart move there.
I'm sure they snuck in phase 3 armor for the clones and other troops as well in the later part of the clone wars and the early years of the empire.
rex did it right with his armor, and knowing how evvective Rex was in combat, why didn't the republic use Rex's for a phase 3 for the benefit's of both armors in one
As a SW helmet lover, Phase II looks cooler from the outside but at the end of the day Phase I has much better visibility thanks to the classic T shaped visor.
I prefer the look of phase 1. When I think of a clone trooper that is the image that comes up. Subjectively
Can u do a break down on more vehicles
Rex hybrid is clearly the best but would say I love the look of phase one, 2 isn't bad in anyways
Iâd pick phase 2
I love the transition between the phase one and phase 2 and I can't wait for the transition to the phase 2 to phase 1.3 stormtrooper armor Look bad bad bad season 2 shows TK troopers are wearing So yes I love the face too more than the phase one just the only thing I love about the phase went in the added protection also the fact you can tell Columbus to do survive in the 2 lessons in klomer's movie you can see multiple clothes are wounded and that's the only indication that armor actually is protecting them in every episode since that movie they have always died or you've got shot and they don't get in medical help
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Quick question - was phase 3 considered part of the empire? Or is phase 3 a different thing?
Rex's awesome Frankenstein armor. Best of both worlds. Updated software from phase 2, comms, hud, the like. Better visibility, and blast resistance from the chest plate and helmet from the phase 1 set. Lighter phase 2 armor on the thighs for better comfort. Also the comma, though only rated for protection against shrapnel, could be used instead of the phase 1 leg set.
Am still torn, but really, Katarn armor and its oft-overlooked Imperial variant are still worthwhile, especially with shields.
Also, this video better get a sequel vid comparing them with the Stormtrooper armor over the eras.
Rex's Combo is the best in my opinion but I love the astheic of the phase one armor just looks bad ass not saying the phase 2 doesn't but it looks to much like the storm troopers and I'm not a big fan of them how ever I do love seeing special units or diversified armor being worn by both clones and storm troopers it adds personality
in the movies at least the only noticeable difference in the armor is the helmet but in the clone wars series you can see way more differences between phase 1 and 2 the knee and elbow pads on phase 1 are part of the leg and arm pieces but on phase 2 are separate moving pieces the also have different shoulder pads and the chestplate is cut differently around the abs and the arms
I say the face to you is better just because your last video explained the DC15S is basically the faced you centered your weapon while the DC15A is a signature phase one or armor weapon so that's interesting but the both been used during the war so I guess they both worked alongside each other until the letter 1 was faced out completely at the end of the cold wars I see the end of the bad batch I see all clowns for a storm trooper's using that BC15S bluster car blind I don't see anyone using the DC 15 block survive the last time I saw that was season 1 episode 1 of bad batch and that was about the color does the clone shooter in a Payton's Pat of Matt jet mastered literally had a trooper in the background using ADC 15A and that's the last time I ever saw that thing being used in the timeline of the events of bad batch Press season 2 of bad batch
I donât know why but I always keep thinking theirs 3 phases of armor and not 2⊠idk whyđ
I done like the movie version of phase 1 but I love how it looks in the clone wars show
I prefer the below the neck linephase 2 armour but the phase 1 helmet looks far more elegant I mean they have fins on top
As a new fan I didn't know about phase 1 or 2, so thank you for this information, I prefer phase 2
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Phase II is the better of the bunch, honestly, but god damn, Phase I's Helms are just fucking fantastic.
If the armor was so good at keeping the clones protected with other things, than it's weird how the most common weapons in the clone wars and storm trooper missions, were their weakness
I think that if the armours were combined with all of there positives, it would be better, like keeping p1 chestplate and using phase 2 everything else like rex, most of soldiers injuries are chest wounds because of how big that area is.
i like the 1.5 helmet the most
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Through out history you have people taking kits and making what you will of them. Either cause the item is more effective or cause of resource scarcity. Thus I feel Rex's kit is effective for what he learned. But you do not see others making the same changes. Look at Wolfe and Cody for example. Most of the changes made there were in the helm.