Supercharged Porsche 911 by Theon Design review: a restomod like no other | PistonHeads
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- čas přidán 21. 12. 2022
- Inspired by old supercharged Jaguars and Aston Martins, Theon's latest creation is a 911 like no other.
There's a lot of clever engineering going on here. To bolt a supercharger onto the 3.6-litre flat-six engine, the original air conditioning unit was ditched and replaced with a new electric system, now located up front. And while the engine itself can be traced back to the 964 donor car, it's been overhauled with individual throttle bodies, motorsport-grade pistons, uprated cams and much more. But as John found out, there's a lot more to this 911 restomod than an extensive parts list and a fancy interior...
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At £400k, you can't just dismiss the money. It defines the car and generates all kinds of difficult expectations and comparisons. At this price, it feels like you're paying a £300k premium for the air-cooled vibe and not much else. You can take, say, a really nice low mile 997.2 Carrera, chuck £30-40k at it and have something truly fabulous. Or a 997.1 with a Hartech 4.0 build, which would cost a piffling £20k for the build, have the interior re-trimmed and some lovely dampers. Or maybe just a 997.2 GT3. It's hard to claim any of those would be less car than this. Sure, if you want the air-cooled thing, you want the air-cooled thing. But good god, the premium, it's just so hard to comprehend. Buy this car, put 20k miles on it and as it begins to look a bit worn, feel a bit tired and develops a few squeaks and rattles, the notion that it cost £400,000 will begin to seem quite preposterous, I fear. Ultimately, at this price the car seems less like a thing for driving and more like a thing for ordering, a device for spending money. I think what cars like this are all about is the idea of the thing, process of specifying it, the 'luxury' experience of spending so much money commissioning something like this. Realistically, these cars won't get driven. The owners will lose interest soon after acquisition. Because owning and driving the car isn't what it's about. And the vibe of the thing is slightly cartoonish and chintzy as opposed to serious long term driver's car.
I am the owner. I agree with some of your comments. But not with all of it. I think you are right that you can achieve wonderful cars and equivalent performance for a lot less money. But one thing I like about this car is the network of craftsmanship and engineering they support in the UK. And fear not it will be driven but will never look tired.
I understand what you are saying, it was a huge amount of money to build this car. There are so many companies offering similar work at similar prices, has it got a little rediculous? So glad the cars owner left a comment. I guess if you can afford to build the car at this cost, why not. Were it merely down to power per pound, I would go for a 996 Turbo and a light custom job inside and out. But im content with my 996 C4S, at least for now!
@@robinoconnor1203 The 996 turbo in an insanely good car straight out the box , they manage to combine the sound of the air cooled motor with some very basic modern comforts making a car that is stuck somewhere between 1995 and 2005 which is exactly what it is but I agree , some tasteful interior modifications would be interesting.
I agree with everything you’ve said. Fair comment. And 400k is a lot for a 911 of any description. But - the big but. If you can afford it then this end of the market (Singer) a hand built 911 to a bespoke spec appeals. To me a bespoke 911 speaks volumes about the owner. A class act that knows what he’s buying. Much better impression than say a Fiat with a dress on let’s say. (Ferrari). Can a Ferrari really justify the mark up ? Really ? I’ll put my stall out - I don’t think so. And the options list is a joke, they should be embarrassed. Not even nearly. Rarity? if they stick to the make believe limited number of builds that they claim. (BS). The days of these cars and other compromised cars being the only route to “high performance” are long gone. You can have four and the dog and get the same performance - so it all comes down to character and experience. And this 911 seems to deliver both.
@@crustyclown8845 I'm not a fan of modern Ferrari, but you get far more car for your money from, say, a new 296 than a tarted up old 911. The engineering that goes into a 296 is on completely different level. And can't really agree about what a car like this restomod says about the owner. It's such an obvious fashionista choice these days. I'd personally be much more impressed by a 964 C2 that looked mostly standard but had been modified to drive really, really well. Moreover, if what you really cared about is the drive, you'd probably be in a 996.2 GT3, which is just about impossible to beat. But it's not fashionable!
i noticed the chattering when off throttle before he mentioned it. surprised any owner would tolerate it. sounds like a fan hitting its shroud.
The chattering sounds nasty to my ears 🤨
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Yeah I heard that too and wondered what the hell it was- then it's all I could hear through the rest of the video- it's obnoxious as hell- that would pull me away from a supercharger right away- I've never heard of a "supercharger chatter" ever- not like a turbo waste-gate is known... Why would anyone pay $400k for a car with that noise? I love the car- but that would be a full stop right away. I mean you're off throttle as much as your on in normal driving ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?!?!? I mean I can even hear it between shifts! Sounds like something is very broken...
@yjmsrv Agreed it sound like total shit. I dont care what my car cost if I had to listen to that I'd go nuts especially if I payed half a million for a car.
That supercharger chattering would do my head in. Personally the 4 litre NA with a Carbon Fibre body sounds right up my street. Just need to sell a lung and kidney now🤔🤣
It's annoying, hearing it during the review ... that I an't be bothered to finish watching it. I'm sure the car is lovely, blah, blah!
Exactly what I was missing with all the 911 restomods which are more motorsports focused… GT tourer, with a drive-able relaxed engine is a missing space in the busy restomod world… Perfect 🎉❤
A lovely looking car.
My £8k 252bhp 986 is an absolute bargain next to this.
The muscular haunch effect of the rear wheel arches defines the ultimate 911 body style.
An absolutely beautiful car. I love it. What a splendid result.
So beautiful, it’s perfect
Supremely beautiful 911 built for the mega rich, mare mortals like me will like to bolt on a supercharger on my 987.2 with an updated suspension setup, then that’s a keeper as I watch it age gracefully. Nice review
Wicked machine!!
If money was no object, this would be my perfect Porsche. Love everything about it. Simple, clean, elegant, classic. And that sound ❤
Excellent review!
The F/R lower valances plus the non center quad exhaust are just absolutely spot on !!!
Pretty cool!
Love the car obviously, thought I saw a couple of puffs of smoke, perhaps it was dust thrown up from the road! What a dream car 👏👍😀
At 9:00
6:35 thought I saw a slight haze just as I was reading this comments
Genuinely looking Porsche
These modded 911s are lovely no doubt, but these prices take the piss. It just doesn't cost that much to achieve top quality
Nice but I'm most impressed that this tall man has concertinaed into this car and vaguely fits. A Countach must present a bigger challenge for him! Look forward to the day when the new GT3 engine is dropped into a body shell like this one.
Had a supercharged 80' 911SC for a few years. Paxton supercharger 3.0L H6 kit from Superchargers of Knoxville setup. It wasn't as fancy as that thing but it didn't need to be because... it was supercharged.
I would LOVE to have enough money to buy one of his cars. Metallic green with that gorgeous saddle leather brown interior, but want the headrest to mimic classic Porsche seat rest in modern cars. Yellow Porsche paint on bottom of doors. But would prefer a complete light bar at top of the back window similar in width to the new Porsche break lights. And I'd want a modern Porsche steering wheel - even of the buttons don't work. And I'd park that next to my silver/cobalt blue Kaege 911, Singer DLS and modern 911 Turbo S. Then my life would be complete.
That chattering! Just sounds broken.
A good car no question. But is it worth €400k? I really think they need to do more to justify the price. As it is maybe a €200k price range is more appropriate.
It’s worth exactly as much as the owner for whom it has been built (to their exact specification) is willing to pay for it. I very much doubt Theon are trying to hit a price point to attract more business
How many more builders are going to pop up with the same story selling $500k+ 964’s?
I reckon probably as many as can get away with it and still sell them. If there's a market, people will look to meet the demand. 🤷🏼♂
@@JerGol you are right. I’m just complaining because I can’t afford one. The same thing happened in the states some years ago. “Pro touring” builders were building beautiful muscle cars. Next thing you know everyone is throwing some wheels, lowering springs and sway bars on clapped out rust buckets and selling them as pro touring or restomod for ridiculous money. It just skews the whole market.
Obviously there is a market for that. Plus in actually not that many cars are built every year. Most companies make a handful a year. If you like this don't watch. Most of these cars have quality parts and thousands of hand made hours you pay for that
@@allensaunders449 I get it. I know what it is and I know what goes into building one. Doesn’t change the fact that people are qrossly overpaying for these things and causing driver quality 964’s into $100k cars. It’s skewing the market.
Electric power steering???
Have they actually sold any cars? I know of one that’s been around all the specialist dealers and no one has sold it
If I was in the market for such a vehicle, my money would be going to Singer. This is clearly a nice 911, but it just doesn't have the same level of refinement in it as a Singer does: the fit and finish, the smoke (9:01), the supercharger chatter, are reasons why it doesn't deserve that price tag. For a rough comparison, there's an immaculate, fully restored 964 RS currently for sale on Pistonheads for £169,995 and a 9,200 mile 997.2 GT3 RS for £214,995. So... for your money, would you rather have those two in your garage, or this Theon?
Hell yeah Greyjoy
What's the smoke coming out of the exhaust right side? Also it looks bit rough around the edges. "Nothings' perfect" - it bloody well ought to be for £400K. Look what else you can buy for that sort of money!!!
Cheaper than a Singer, I guess? I saw one at Goodwood last Saturday. Exceptional finish and details. But I couldn’t live with the supercharger chatter on this particular one.
Thank you jason segel
At 10:18, what is that knocking/rhythmic noise? When he downshifts of lets off is heard. Camera mic maybe?
At first it sounds like Chris Harris 😳
Great car, can't help but compare it to a Singer though...
Friend of mine supercharged his 3.6 and couldn't keep belts on it. Tried all configs. The on/off and lash just eats them...
These Rotax superchargers robs power to make boost, Turbos use wasted energy to create boost. Turbos always make more power at equal boost levels. But Superchargers offer better packaging and less heat
How much extra hp does the smokeking engine give?
Never thought I'd say this, but the "911 restomod for a few hundred K" market is saturated
Very nice but If I had the money I think I’d prefer a NA one for cruising around Europe.
THEON, Singer, Rennsport, RWB....are there enough 964's left?
i hear chatter when you back off the gas pedal - whats that?
bavard !
How do they did dissipate the heat that 400 hp produces? All engines are “heat engines” power = heat, period. Do they run it rich to cool it ? This is something I’ve never understood in air cooled resto-mods. If you asked another 200 hp out of a Continental or Lycoming, you’d cook the engine doing it.
When I heard the voice in the beginning... I really thought it was Chris Harris...
Well….it’s just awesome isn’t it, if anyone would like to donate me one for Christmas it would be greatly received.
What was he talking about the body steel panels are hand made by Porsche?!
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Prefer singer porsche on auto top nl 800bhp green yellow nice
How much?
For 400k interior design is well behind Singer, also I know of a 964 with a much better engine bay than that, fully smoothed, wiring loom tuck, all for far less than 100k. Be interesting to see how these retro car remakes are viewed once we move on a generation in terms of motoring enthusiast.
Singer is 200k pounds more though
@@ricklee3 wow, I take it back, had no idea.
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Or more. Recent models seem to be priced well over $1 million US. And I find Singer's interior and other touches to be well over the top. I would want a working sports car, not a French bordello.
@@ricklee3 not anymore.close to a mil now, big waiting list.
@@jimiverson3085 I agree 100%
£400k is too much… driving ‘noise’ not on
Just swap in STI engine it it for better performance & reliability at 1/8 the price
400k?
Notice how none of the mechanics had any grease on their clothing?
400k ... a Rolls Royce with all creature comfort...
Sorry build quality is just not a patch on a singer. Simple as that
For those who would like to enjoy the sound of the last air cooled 911 🙂 czcams.com/video/Y4vuH6aHMlQ/video.html
Brilliant car, but no way could i live with that chattering noise
Are pistonheads sponsered by Porsche? So much porsche content.
The chattering sounds like crap. Seriously, I couldn’t drive it with that noise. My supercharger has a whine which is great, not a chatter. Sounds like something is broken and needs fixed.
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It sucksssss that you need to be a multi millionaire to own a car like this…. Why can’t they (or any manufacturer) make a stripped down, bare bones simple sports car like they did back in these days. Surely, they would sell like crazy
Super charger chatter would absolutely do ones head in.
Sounds terrible
For 440K its simply stupid- lovely car and build but could do so much better
400k chattering supercharger plus puffing blue smoke sorry guys thats a fail.
Who on earth would order the chattering when engine braking? Porsche flat 6 IS engine braking, you don't put some chattering over it...crazy
That chattering is horrible, I'd return it and go NA.
You lost me at “it’s not about the money it’s about heart and soul”
#Pretentious is the opposite of what 911 is about
400K... 🙄🤣 Money have NO MEANING.
another 911 reimagined.
how many of you are still out there, how many more 911?
911 is "special" as vw golf, it is everywhere, it is boring!
I'd laugh at one of those at that price. Sorry. Love them but not worth more than 100k usd. Period.
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The back is god awful. Everyone please stop putting fiberglass or plastic panels on vintage Porsches. If someone wants a GT3, they can buy one. There is nothing good looking at 2:03. Then he goes on to say this car is all steel. Ummmm not even close.
You'd need to be sectioned to buy this for £400k. Wonky bonnet panel gaps. Smoke billowing out of O/S tailpipe. Clueless in house knowledge re a supercharger being totally inappropriate on an air cooled engine. Total fail.
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Lovely car, very annoying reviewer. Constant Jazz hands and the word 'delicious' are a big no no. As for the not discussing the price, I don't care how much heart and soul goes into one, its still massively overpriced at £400,000!! I love cars, always have but I am really sad about where it is going. Everything is getting massively expensive and so many people are now being excluded from the industry because of this.
Horrible looking thing that Pistonheads keep plugging.
I’m sure Pistonheads are getting a back-hander the way they keep plugging Porsches.