History of WWI Primer 102: Colt 1909 and 1917 Revolvers Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
Colt's New Service Revolver: A Particularly Strong, Heavy Weapon”
Timothy J. Mullin
U.S. Handguns of World War II: The Secondary Pistols and Revolvers
Charles W. Pete
Single Action Army Revolvers: U.S. Alterations
C. Kenneth Moore
Colt's Double-Action Revolver: Model of 1878
Don Wilkerson
Combat Shotguns
Bruce N. Canfield
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I know I learned how to make a homemade machine gun from that history about the Moro tribe of the Philippines. And I mean, the sheer existence of Borneo has to violate something.
Gotta stop abusing the gats. Its not right man.
Would there be chance of a German soldier picking one of these up during the war?
"unable to monetize"? You sould have videoed a segment on socialist teachers demonstrating to sexually-confused elementary school children the finer points of appropriate condom usage following the purchase and use of illicit drugs. Then they would have sent you money by the bucket loads. Shame on you for wasting your time speaking of historic military firearms and their participation in the continued protection of freedom.
"take a look, it's in a book, reading revolvers"
Did...did you just.... damnit Othias.
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I'd like to hear more about this "1911" thing you mentioned. I love learning about obscure weapons that never saw real service, and I imagine there's some really interesting mechanics to it. I'm sure there's no larger story there at all.
It's a rare misfire from John Browning. Used a neat version of short-recoil action that never really caught on, but its ergos sucked and it wasn't really reliable.
Austin Owings with some weird magazine release that no one liked, or cared about.
Reading revolvers could be a tee shirt for the next campaign.
Some pointless thing. This is the sort of humour that makes this channel stand out.
Take a look it’s in a book a reading revolver
" until, I dont know, 1911? I cant recall. "
Priceless
“Some Pointless Thing” Oh, you tease...
Im pretty sure it was made by Remington or Winchester.
I don't want to see that pointless thing around here again, it's pointless.
it a pointless pistol that very unsuccessful to sell to military or even as a commercial pistol
He is getting close to the 1911 it's a matter of time.
I'm curious as to when though. Is there some other missing/evolutionionary link pistol that they haven't covered?
Nah, it’s just some thing no one remembers. No reason to do a video
Doubt it, we have 6 trillion more obscure mild variations of the mauser to get though first.
He has said that the 1911 video should basically be their crowing achievement of what they could do. I.e. the video production is a big, expensive, time intensive undertaking.
@keith moore I have nothing but patience.
Poor May.. She is really forced to enjoy these fabulous revolvers. Her job is really torturous. I really feel awful for her to endure the shooting of these revolvers. Sarcasm aside. I do dream of owning either or both the Colt or Smith & Wesson 1917 revolvers. I had once an Uberti 1873 replica set up for both .45 LC and .45 ACP with separate cylinders. Shooting both calibers is like having a steak and Lobster dinner with garlic mashed potatoes with garlic bread. Its is that good. These revolvers in my opinion are great. I did shoot my Grandfather's old S&W 1917 once and enjoyed it. I never got it because at that time I was still in the Army and it was sold to a guy who really enjoyed revolvers. Now I have to chase one down.
reddevilparatrooper I don’t have sarcasm. It wasn’t really that bad.
What do you mean it was set up with separate cylinders do you mean you can take the cylinder out and put the other in
Will that 1917 shoot 45 long colt and the45acp
@@craigfinley2507 No because the old .45 Long Colt is a longer cartridge than the .45 ACP. The .45 LC was a black powder cartridge, the .45 ACP is a much shorter cartridge designed specifically to operate and work first in the Colt Model 1905 to replace the Colt Model 1889 Double Action Revolver in .38 Long Colt because of reports of being ineffective in combat against Filipino insurgents. The US Army decided to re-issue the Colt Model 1873 both in cavalry and artillery models and some newly made Alaskan Model 1902 just for troops serving in the Philippines because combat just became harder and become more lethal in jungle close quarter combat. It was found by the US Army that .45 caliber was much better in combat in killing Filipinos as the British found in killing Africans. When the M1911 was finally produced and combat proven in the Philippines, it became the premier man stopping automatic pistol well loved by US troops. It had stopping power as reported by soldiers in combat. The Philippines, WWI, Haiti, Nicaragua, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. It's still well loved in the Philippines as a national favorite firearm. I'm not being racist about killing Filipinos because I am Filipino by birth.
In 40 mins you've answered questions regarding the relationship of using 45 Colt and 45ACP ammo, in these Colt revolvers which have been unanswered, to me, for decades. Good job, thanks guys.
I just got my colt 1917 from my grandfather, has 3 stamps and I was told it was carried in ww1, ww2, and Korea. Still shoots smooth it’s by far my favorite gun
The Guinea Pig tried to bite the hand that feeds him at the end. Now thats good stuff!
Patrick Wentz ha! Lol.
That was some damn fine shooting from 30 feet, single handed and double action. Nice job Mae!
I slowed to 0.25 to rewatch you can see her blink as the flash leaves the barrel, she is a staunch 👏
Yes, and 3-in-one-hole from both guns, despite the 1917 being gritty and worn. Well, a little bit.
Many years ago I was issued a 1909 or a 1917 Colt. It was commercially blued with two different cylinders including the Crain assembly. One cylinder was in 45acp and the other in .45 LC. Glass trigger and very comfortable cocking for single action fire. I further received an armors kit for the firearm. Loved it. Wish I could claim now that it was stolen government property. Oh, I had a large box of half moon clips.
"some pointless thing" That should be on a T-shirt.
Polymer framed gun enthusiast are laughing right now.
That pointless thing looks familiar. Did Ian do a video?
Could be. If it is more than a hundred years old, surely it is forgotten by now. Surely!
Othias. I love your HISTORY! You have it. You have the zeitgeist of this subject. I LOVE your videos. Yes, I bought a tee... and such.... I have read a.. well.. a number of books, seen enumerable documentaries... collected what I can afford.. but you my (I presume to say) My friend, capture the spirit of the subject. THIS is a IMPORTANT part of American history usually not covered, heck, not UNDERSTOOD. Your team has been working on this for years now and providing a service.. yeah. Mae, You, and ALL your team... Well done. Well done.. Heck what do I know? I am a un-edge-e-catered.....hillbilly... but I know talent Well flippin DONE!
My Colt 1917 was made in 1919 according to the serial number. It was parkerized when it was refinished. Great gun!
My train was canceled... but at least I have me some C&R to pass the time 👍
Can you do one on the 1911 in .455 British. When talking about Colt 1917 in 45 ACP the 3 round clip is a "Half Moon", there was a 6 "Full Moon" also in use.
PLEASE NOTE: My modern day S & W GOVERNOR model is able to load their NEW 2 round (I assume called 1/3rd MOON CLIPS) which no doubt are suitable for use in 1917 Army Models as well...right? Plus, it accepts .45 COLT and .410 for good measure. Let MAY shoot a Governor some day please and give us her thoughts and observations. Thanks for a most entertaining and well produced series of shows. Keep up the good work!
P.S.
Your example (and my own as well) of the US ARMY MODEL 1917 COLT DA 45 has a small S/8 marking underneath what I think is an "EAGLE" marking. This is located directly north of the cylinder release but on a plane with and right next to the top of the hammer. That marking in addition to a series of matching "H" markings on the bottom of barrel where it mates with the frame - "H" on the crane above the serial number with lower case 't' below and lastly on the rear cylinder's face. Do you know the meanings of each? Thanks for your illumination of many facts like the CLOCKWISE rotation of the Colt DA 45 cylinder...while my two .41 Colt DA models "spin that OTHER direction."
I’m just so excited about the S&W 1917 video in two weeks. I love mine.
Agreed
It's funny that the US wanted .45 Scofield ammo with a smaller rim to fit in the SAA and then later would spec larger rim .45 Colt ammo that wouldn't work in the SAA. Even though the whole point of sticking with .45 Colt ammo was to simplify logistics.
I have a S&W 625 in .45ACP. Lots of fun to shoot. Wish I could get a 1917.
The perfect thing to drive home from work to
Shit, there goes sleeping tonight. Time for another video!
I’m still wary about the whole moon clips in combat thing. I’ve had a bunch of half moon clips, and full moon clips bend on me and that was just at a range. If they bend even slightly your trigger pull goes to like 25 pounds.
I believe the clips were considered disposable. They came pre-loaded in boxes of 24 in 3 round clips.
Man, this episode is just a gem. "Reading Revolvers" was hilarious, but that 'silent pause' in the slow-mo footage segments directly after firing caused goosebumps. Like, yay, happy-hunky-dorry-BANG. *Silence* Then the music starts again. Jarring, and just encapsulated the feeling of time having stopped. Well-done.
I wish they would still sell these at $14 a piece...
A model 1917 is on my list for the collection
I don't think I'd specifically heard of the Colt New Service before this series, but it's absolutely the quintessential image of a revolver in my mind.
The half moon clips are great for loading. Bear in mind one must either save your used clips, or keep a large supply of half moon clips.
Dang! May got some keyholes with that thing!
How interesting just bought a 19 teens commercial colt army 38 special, same day I get another colt history lesson. God I love this channel
You can see Mae pulling to the left as she works the double action trigger. It was no surprise when the hits on target tended to the left side of the paper.
I am always pleased and impressed with Mae... perhaps the only you tube shooter, who presents and discharges a 'handgun' as they were designed to be fired. 6 or more fingers, and they would have been called a 'hands gun'. Especially nowadays, when military and law enforcement have so much going on in one milli second, how can you refer to the old sea faring adage... 'one hand for you, one hand for the ship'.
They seem like the first speed loader. Good revolver feed but not an Auto beater.Mae always does a great field job.
Sixguns? Nice! Great work as usual.
Never thought I’d love this channel so much
It’s like a video museum and I love it
Othias-“Used by the post office” me-“the what now?”
1899?? I will expect a redaction within the day, sonny boy.
I love the m1917 I got a s&w 1917 manufactured in 1918 beautiful revolver
The loads of good information visual and Audible information are excellent. The sense of humor and direct approach is excellent. And love historic Firearms not just for the guns but the history behind them as what makes the show A Cut Above the Rest! That's why I'm a patreon keep up the good work!
My Grandfather carried a Colt 1917 as a Pennsylvania sheriff's deputy from the 1960s to his death in the early 1980s.
As for your different sounds between 45acp and 45Colt; the 45 Colt is a lower pressure round than the acp. So I'd expect a difference in report.
Recently bought a US Army Model 1909 New Service. Looked up the SN and apparently it was made in 1911, the year it was replaced BY the 1911! For 110 years old, this old hand cannon is in great shape and is a blast to shoot!
The seller told me it was made in 1909. But when I looked up the S/N I was confused. Now I see by the proofing marks, my confusion is cleared up. Mine was made in 1909. A local gunsmith told me the same.
Colt 1917: my dream gun.
Unfortunately they don't make them anymore.
Great video. I just shot my 1919 vintage 2 1/2” 1917 and while it shot great I had four light primer hits. But when fired without half or full moon clips they fired fine. I noticed a couple clips were warped. And accuracy didn’t seem to change without the clips which I thought would happen. Empties fell right out. Gun has a tuned action.
Can we just take a moment to note how Mae's groupings have gotten better over the years that this series has been in production?
Albeit a detachable box magazine is faster to reload than half Moon clips, but how do they stack up against a stripper clip fed pistol like a styer hahn?
i would think equal in loading speed but lacking some rounds, the clips maybe better to store as they are flatter than a magazine, and revolvers beeing less safe in dirty envirement. If you get dirt (,mud? or snow maybe freezing hard) on the front of the cylinder in front of the bullet it's getting dangerous. But in my opinion the safety on the 1911 and the Steyr 1912 are where the Revolvers shine. No thinking of taking off the safety, no additional movement.
Reloading with half moon clips in a powerful cartridge put these second standard revolvers above most sidearms in use in Europe IMO.
Othais well done!! Mae your smile makes the sun shine. I really enjoy your videos for the good information and the live firing. Thanks!
I've been waiting for this episode for a while now. My Grandfather's 1917 was the first big bore pistol I've ever shot. Sadly she awaits much needed repair as its shot more ammo than I could imagine.
Mosin bolt-action pistol alltime ''OUR'' favourite
That is an abomination before God.
Happy Canada Day!!
Juramentado is pronounced (who - ra - men - ta - do), same in Spanish the "J" is pronounced like an "H".
Just in time, just got out of work
Just in time, just got to work...
Do modern .45 colt cartridges eject properly from a 1909 colt.
.45LC, yes. .45ACP, no.
Colt M1917 revolver is awesome. The cylinder turns clockwise, and it can also load in half moon or full moon clips.
Didn't they do the testing at the old Chicago Stock Yard?
This is a nice looking revolver. The barrel lacks the extra steel around the barrel that we see on modern revolvers.For today's market, it might make for a nice retro design on a modern Anaconda frame, with perhaps a small shroud to protect or cover the cylinder rod. They could do it in .45acp and maybe 10mm? Hamilton Bowen, the custom revolver make made his version of the 1917 on a Ruger Redhawk. It has a tapered barrel, similar to the Colt 3-5-7.
45 long colt?
Im thinking I read somewhere that a Sergeant Alvin York may have used either a 1917 S&W or Colt don't know how true it was
My uncle used to have a Colt 1917. The date on the barrel was 1918 and it was in immaculate condition.
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This is the best content on CZcams
The 1917 Revolvers, both Colt and Smith & Wesson, did get some use in theater in the 2nd War and even into Korea with a particular group of US Military Men, those men being Tankers. Tank Crewmen very frequently preferred the Colt and Smith & Wesson revolvers to the 1911 automatic pistol for a particular reason that was unique to them: Unlike with the 1911, a tanker could fire his revolver from inside the tank if he had to (such as to prevent enemies attempting to gain access) without having to deal with spent casings flying around the interior of a Sherman Tank.
Finally, the episode i was waiting for
Also i see that 1897 on the shelf, super hyped to figure out ecactly how they were deployed by the us with the cartridge problems.
"War WERE Declared"?! It WAS declared. Thank you that Mae shows the firing of the Colt 1909.
Nonononono, you don't understand.
...war *were* declared.
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"Great. We're all gonna die!"
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I have been waiting for this episode, thank you!!!
GASP! Ok, my Watch Later feed can wait!
John T. Thompson? Nice.
Hey, I'm actually early for once! I sincerely want to thank the whole team for your hard work and the amazing quality of your content. You really are doing a great service for our community!
my 09 has grips with Colt and is a Pilipino Contracted 45 LC made 1911? with Colt pet Agreed papers? Bluing nice, former owner shot her, put her in the case Un Cleaned for Months, she got frosty, I got her back mostly to very Blued. THANKS For The INFO! Now I need to tear her apart for her This Century Cleaning.
Smooth bore rifles?
Travis Tucker a musket isn’t necessarily smooth bore. Really the term rifle as used today is a truncated version of rifled musket. However a smooth bore rifle is just a straight up impossibility.
@@ihatebofa6 Muskets can be rifled, but rifles can't not be rifled. It's their defining characteristic. An unrifled rifled musket is just a musket.
Classics and ought be brought back 😅😅😅😅
I know it's not really a WWI firearm but I'd love a video on that model 81 on the top back rack
I just joined the countless other fans forgoing sleep to dive into Colt large frame double action revolvers.
I have my wife's Grampa's gun he carried as a Detroit Cop in the 1920's. Its still a shooter
New drinking game: take a shot every time Mae says "don't get me wrong"
What about the philippine model 1877 and 1878 colts??
I see that RSC 1917 mag on the top right when we getting that video
Happy 4th of July guys!
You guys are a National treasure, thanks!
Which is more powerful the 45 LC or the 45acp
I was wondering what was the service history of the 1909 after the 1911s adoption
Oh Yes mae. Ótima
You compared the half moon clips usability to magazine loaded pistols, how do they compare to the handful of stripper clip loading pistols?
Nice episode. Nice to know we'll be getting the best sidearm of the great war next week (why no, I am not a Colt fanboi) as I've been waiting on that one. Pity they tossed it aside for that other thing... ;)
You are too smart for me...great vid thumbs up ...i love my 45 long colt revolver
When are you guys going to do the Martini Henry. It did serve during WW1
"some pointless thing"... my heart.
First day of my new job in 9 hours just about to go to sleep... nah
Good luck! :)
Which is the better pistol the cold or the Winchester?
I love the .45 long colt in this pistol
The backstrap on my New Service is marked M.P.F.P.K. 45 serial# 1139XX indicates 1916 year of manufacture. Barrel marked "New Service 45 COLT". Cylinder is stepped, will not accept 45LC and is not shaved. Any ideas on what service this revolver saw?
Everyone is wanting the 1911, and I'm just here itching for my Comblain episode
Hey!!! Not now! Im on my way to work!! 😰
So if you try to stick a 45 long colt into chamber without moonclip are you good?
Ooo, more foreshadowing.
GREAT VIDEO !!! STILL NO " PATENTED PLASTIC POKEY THINGS " AT STORE ???