Porsche 911 GT3 RS vs GT3 vs Carrera | Battle of the 911s
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- How far does the new GT3 RS move the game on? Steve Sutcliffe finds out.
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Most Porsches, especially quicker 911s, tend to be defined by their engines. Not so the new £178,500 992 GT3 RS. For despite being propelled by one of the all-time great flat-six motors - one that revs to 9,000rpm and produces an ear-splitting 518bhp in the process - the latest RS is defined not by its incredible 4.0-litre flat-six unit but by its aerodynamics.
At its top speed of 184mph (14mph lower than a regular GT3’s because the gearing has been shortened to make it punchier on track) the RS produces a quite staggering 860kg of downforce when its electronically adjustable rear wing is fully deployed. It also features a new, huge single radiator in its nose that occupies what would normally be the luggage area, purely to accommodate two new underbody flaps, without which its almighty aerodynamic grip would simply never arrive.
So although that still spectacular engine has new cams and generates a touch more power than a regular GT3’s to give an even sharper 0-62mph time of just 3.2 seconds, the RS makes its biggest moves forwards courtesy of the amount of grip it generates and via the extra speed it can carry though corners - not down the straights that sit between them. To find out just how capable it is, we pit the new RS against a 911 GT3 Touring and a 911 Carrera in a series of challenges.
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Am I the only one who is massively impressed at how well the Carrera kept up with its siblings which cost nearly twice as much??
I mean, the GT3 RS is a track car.
Uh, they proved the Carrera is the better value, lol.
@@nonradar nah man
@@chadmueller9135 I’m on a fixed income… lol!
That’s what I was thinking! Holy sheesh
There is nothing the regular Carrera is to be ashamed of. As a matter of fact, considering the modesty of its setup, it’s jolly damned good ! The 911 is a winner, which ever the version. 👏
probably woudl've done even better if it was the carrera 4
As long as it makes me feel better about my little problem. Small mans car 😅
I have a 992 S and I’ll be honest, I’m thinking I should’ve bought a standard 911 and dumped the money into options. These cars are faster than most of us are capable of driving in base trim, let alone the performance variants, why not spend the money on fun features? Lesson learned!
@@bobcortez9471I had a 992 Carrera S with custom exhaust and some other mods. Thing was fkn crazy! Launch control in that thing was nuts and I was winding around mountain roads and it was gripping so hard. I was pushing that thing hard. I would personally get a Carrera S and tune it, gives it about 100hp extra and makes it feel like a GT3.
I live in Colorado if that changes anything. Huge roads/lanes
Holy crap the carrera is honestly incredible. The foundation for the gt3 is already miles up
more car than 99% of people can handle if we're being realistic.
If that had been a carrera s i think it would been too close for comfort at times
And if it were a Carrera 4 GTS with a PDK, I reckon it could've even won the drag race.
Shelby gt350r > Carrera S.
Another person here blown away by the pace of the carrera. O-150 in under 20 secs? That's faster than the 996 Turbo! It must be making a fair bit more than the quoted BHP. All the 911 you'll ever need on UK roads.
I suppose a Carrera GTS would be quicker than gt3s acceleration wise:) would be nice to have it in the test
Nick Murray’s channel advocates that base 911 Carreras run way over 400bhp and that a simple restrictor adjustment (not a tune-up, more of an undoing of an artificial tune-down) takes them “back” to around 480bhp. Applying the same “de-de-tune” to an S or GTS gives around 530bhp.
I think the braking performance of the RS isn't from just the power of initial braking, but durability during a track day, being that strong over the course of repeated hard braking. How would they fair after a lap or two at the Nurburgring for example, I think the braking performance up to temp and after repeated hard stops, the RS would show a much greater advantage than a single hard stop when cold.
Did the GT3 have the Carbon brakes too?
Actually I thought the braking distance differences were quite acceptable. The basic Carrera probably already brakes very well, so beating that with a couple of car lenghts seems ok to me.
Yeah the rs needs warm tires and hard braking into a high speed corner(150+ mph) to truly show its performance advantage. Stopping in a straight line with cold tires and brakes won't show much difference.
Was looking to see if someone made this point. 👍
The RS3 and the 3 do not have the same carbon brakes? I’m assuming that the 3 is also lighter…..
I love how Porsche keeps making their cars faster without falling into the increasing hp game.
Totally agree-
Corvettes new Z06 will mostly be driven by posers who never track the car (Porsche is notorious for having higher numbers of cars that actually get track use). The higher HP is great for the posers to talk about at social gatherings. But you simply cannot use the extra power on the street and keep your licence.
The standard Carrera still did really well IMO. Obviously if you want every last tenth, gotta get a GT model but for mortals I’d think extraction of those last percentage points is more than the differences the cars have.
It's a difference that has to be measured with a timer. The standard Carrera isn't a slouch when being used as a daily. But I do have to say the sound of that GT3 engine is way better.
then again, IMO it's not about the timer but more about the way the machine is making you feel. My ride is a 718 Spyder while my previous car was a base 981. That 2.7 PDK was perfect but the GT chassis with the manual combined with the 4.0 makes me feel all shaky in the legs...
@@718YellowSubmarine oh totally. Sometimes i get caught up with times and competition, but you're absolutely right that most of the time for most people it's the visceral feel and sensation you get. I havent driven any modern Porsche, but love the NA flat 6 sound, and know the way they rev and build power is just intoxicating. Combined with a mid-engine layout and I think the 981/982 are some of the best drivers cars they make. Definitely Jealous of your Spyder, I used to kind of mimic that with my Miata when i permanently deleted the soft top and ran a bimini style top for a while in California.
Would have also liked to see a winged GT3 vs the GT3 Touring.
Want to see a 992 GT3 RS vs 992 GT3 PDK because the GT3 should have nearly the same straight line performance and the touring lost with a big gap because of the manual transmission and driver
MUCH prefer this kind of comprehensive testing including cornering speeds to Carwow’s limited straight line testing..as much as I enjoyed their vids, kudos to Autoexpress. 👍
To do this kind of tests you need a pro racing driver, Matt simply isn't 😅
To me it looked like they could’ve done with a redo or driver swap in the 0-150 runs. The GT3 Touring seemed to have gotten a sucky launch compared to the others. Edit: hadn’t realized that it was a manual, in which case it was a great launch! But a manual vs PDK isn’t exactly fair, is it?
Yeah its a stupid comparison, totally agree!
I wonder why they did a manual when it comes in PDK as well
@@damachine3 I think that one was provided and owned by an individual
@@markw9512 Yeah, I'm sure you're right. I own a manual, PDK, and single clutch (992 GT3, GT4 RS and Macan S, and 992 GT3 Cup)...huge differences.
Edit: My 992 GT3 RS arrives in April. Can't wait to see how it compares.
@@damachine3 Deleted first reply, mistook you for someone else! 🤦♂️ Post up some videos bruh, would love to see some of those beauties!
It's friday, Auto Express and Evo with new Steve Sutcliffe videos... feels like early Christmas presents!
in my opinion there a few mistakes made in this test:
- on the drag race the GT3 had really late start (slower reaction time maybe)
- on the brake test: both GT3 and Carrera were coming in a higher speed braking at the line - maybe they tried to line the cars up exactly on the breaking line which results in a higher entry speed
- apex test: from the top drone view you can see that the line of the Carrera is a different one - not even hitting the white / red area. So the difference could be even higher or it could be faster when having the same angle like the other two cars
Thank you Steve. Best reviewer that also drives madly here. Keep it up and continue to these great reviews. Always eager to watch a vid from you.
A base carerra is extremely capable out the box, I’ve tracked one many times. The sweet spot is a carerra S, the S outperformed many cars on the track while very compliant on the road. The 992s are as good as it gets.
Great comparison which could even be greater with a cheeky laptime.
I’d LOVE to see the GTS with Cup R on this test
As they are doing this test in the Top Gear track, can we just have the good old TG style time lap with Jeremy Clarkson as the voice over!!! It would be an epic video.
Thoroughly entertaining review (as usual). You really give your audience an almost tactile sensation of what it’s like to drive these machines. Terrific! You are one of the great reviewers and presenters. Bravo! Also, let’s take a moment to celebrate those three machines, all equally and justifiably proud of their performances. Well driven too!
This is the one I've been waiting for. Steve in a GT3 RS. Perfection :)
Wonderful as always... I hope you've got one on order!
992GT3RS and Steve Sutcliffe in the same video! Perfect combo 💥
Excellent review. Finally, a review that means something.
There are 2 things missing on this mighty absolutely amazing review: first is a full lap to understand the real differences between all 3 (all great cars), the second is a soundtrack contest, where, well GT3 touring in amazing and gt3rs is otherworldly, and the Carrera is just okish. We are comparing atmospheric engines with a Turbo not so pleasing one. I was surprised by how difficult the Carrera was to drift, and how easy the gt3rs is (expected to be hard). Also the brake test on the gt3rs reminded me of the nsx-r that brake exactly the same as the me E46 on this type of test, but on a track would win miles in each braking corner. Expect the same with this bad boy. But yes, the feeling you give to us viewer's is just sensational, great great job!
Agree re the brakes comment. The bigger brakes as you move up the 911 hierarchy won’t necessarily stop the car in a hugely shorter distance in a test like this, but are likely to be much more fade-resistant over the course of a few laps if you track the car.
@@neilturner6749 imo they should have done a few laps around a track in each and then tested the brakes shortly after. It would have been more representative of the potential of each car after a short bit of racing
🤩Steve your videos are such a pleasure to watch, what with your wisdom and warmth 🙏
exactly the video i was looking for, very nice
Great video Steve! I will take the Touring with a manual transmission 👍🏻
I was hoping for a lap of the Top Gear circuit Steve!
Love the video quality and it just makes me want the touring 911 more
Loved these tests!
Interestingly, I see all cars winning in this video. Exceptional performance from a base 380 hp Carrera, great linear speed by the gt3 (as its meant to do as a touring), and phenomenal cornering speed by the 3RS.
Not 380hp.. More like 430 even 450hp to be able to do that times
I never get tired of just looking at 911s 🙂. I'd love to get a lightly pre owned one someday. For now, it's Mustang GT budget.....which has a great sound actually, but still long for a 911. Thanks for the comparison.
Same here my man, I love looking at 911s, but I do prefer the Boxster and Cayman :) . Which generation 911 would you be looking to buy in the future?
You could budget a Cayman.
@@simonbussey7530 Agreed 👍. I've had the internal Cayman or Cayman S debate a few times. Either way, beautiful cars.
Grat Porsche comparison testing.
Would have been nice to see a turbo s in this comparison.
I love this format, please repeat for other sports car variants. Always nice to see where your money makes an impact on the track.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate the video quality of this channel🙌
Nothing like car reviews with reviewers like Steve at the wheel ❤ talented driver's always know what they're talking about
Great video!
Great job Steve
Long live Steve Sutcliffe .loved your HONDA F1 Test drive Video
The GT3 Touring Driver is sleeping at the start 🤣
Manual touring.Think it can only rev to 5k at launch, whilst the pdk launch at 6.6k and measure slip more accurately than a hoooman
@@markgtrheyes Oh it was manual? Hadn’t caught that. Great launch then vs the PDKs, but not the fairest of races.
@@markw9512 agree, would have been good to see race with all using pdk :)
Had the luxury of driving a manual GT3 track version a few months ago. Pure automotive perfection.
Nice demo.
This test with a carrera S or GTS would have been great
Great compare her with Steve! The only sticking point for me was that they shouldn’t have compared the touring equipped with a manual.
Agreed
7:50 This shot is good enough to have been in a feature film -- the beginning of a James Bond chase scene or something.
It's hysterical how much they engineered these tests to put the RS on top. The GT3 was the Touring version, not the normal version with more aero, they absolutely botched the launch on the GT3 Touring for the 0-60 test (:50), they braked earlier on the RS for the brake test (3:33)... Someone was worried the GT3 was going to wipe the floor, weren't they?
Nice to be back at Dunsfold circuit
This may be a stupid question, but you were using the DRS for the drag races, right?
Man the touring is so beautiful
Steve should do a review on a manual 911 gt3 touring👌
That just goes to show you how brilliant the 911 chassis is you have three iterations of the same car true they’re modified differently however you can see how much the improvements are from one to the other
Why use the manual Touring instead of a regular pdk GT3? Would the difference between that (normal GT3) and the RS be too small to justify the price of the latter, maybe?:)
Would love to see the same battle with the GT4 RS and GT4 included in the mix!
To address the braking, its not the initial stopping power that's the difference between the vehicles, its the prolonged braking over the course of a track day. The RS will stop better for a much longer time, meaning the difference in braking will grow lap over lap.
Always suspected the Touring to be faster on the top end. Nice to see it confirmed.
What tire was the base on a pzero? Running it back on cup 2 thru the turn would be cool
Very interesting 👌🏾
Are they All running with the Same tires?
That's because the standard 992 GT3 and GT3 Touring has slightly bit more Torque than the 992 GT3 RS. The Top speed is also slightly lower on the GT3 RS compared to the standard GT3 and GT3 Touring. Torque does play an important part in a drag race.
Sutcliff is the man !!!
With the PDK the Touring probabaly smokes the GT3 RS at the Drag Race (Even though the RS comes with the Cup 2 R). However, as we all know a GT3 is not about racing in a straight line or Top Speed. But even for Track time comparisons the Touring press cars come always as a manual. I get the idea but this makes it hard to really determine the difference to the wing GT3 . I'd love to see "Sport Auto" doing a hot lap at the Nordschleife with a PDK Touring with Cup2 Rs.
The touring was catching quickly
More testing at Dunsfold 👍🏻 Great track
Great video, still have mixed feelings on what or how each Porsche GT product gets it's improvements. They go faster on track but road compliance and day to day liveability just gets compromised more and more. They openly say they are taking bits direct of the race cars...I dunno seems the design/tech has plateaued and the compromise just got more extreme...guess it's better than the BMW solution of a car so big it looks and weighs like a SUV but has a million HP.
This is what I don’t get either. Basically the gt3rs is bought for bragging rights really as most people will drive it on the road and it’s an inferior road car to the gt3 and standard carerra.
@@gumpy4960 thats simply not true, Look at the Nordschleife for example on a trackday, every second car is a gt3 or rs and avery 4th car is indeed a gt3 rs.
Thats what gt is all about racecar for the road.
Its not supposed to be comfy or anything like that
maybe new Turbo S as well?
Which one has the best looking engine bay?
Steve Sutcliffe at Dunsfold, it just seems natural he should take over since Top Gear left it. Or the Grand Tour trio reclaiming it back would be poetic.
I wish the gt3 was auto for this.
Great video
tires make the biggest difference. Rolling race is for the GT3 Touring because the aerodynamic of GT3 RS makes it slower at the straight. No surprise at all
So really if you are driving mainly or entirely on the road then just get the gt3 or gt3 touring as it’s just as good everywhere other than Corning speed which won’t matter on the road, plus that extra straight line speed is nice.
Steve Sutcliffe, what a treat as an auto journalist. The no-nonsense smooth commentary and professional driving skills - a LEGEND! 👏
In the braking test heat has nothing to do with the coefficient friction of PCCBs which are the same when hot or cold
I'm simply blown away by the 992 game🔥🔥🔥.....sports car engineering finessed to the nth degree without twisting the badazzles off of the engine in a spaced out boy-racer horsepower worm-hole!
I want to see this done with all cars on the same tire...
Carrera seems like a bargain. Great vid. Good old Steve 👍🏼
Was the regular Carrrera on Cup2 tyres like the other cars? No point if it wasn’t
Can you guys do a GTS instead of a base Carrera
Feel like this was missing the standard GT3 with the Swan neck wing is all. I'm sure it's very similar, just not the same.
most underrated car journo ever
the last scene with the drift is...ALL THE MONEY !!!!!!!!!!
should have done a lap of the top gear track while at it =)
The Touring is one of the most beautiful cars ever
I enjoyed watching the Video Comparison. I like the latest generation the best 😊
Hooligan Steve, but I LOVE IT !!. Great comparsion and narrative. Thanks Steve!
All are brilliant cars for their intented purpose. I do hope that the RS's will make it to the track.
Great comparison … but pdk in the “touring” to be on equivalent footing would have been perfect.
The GT3 Touring is a manual, it’s the UK press car seen it’s lots of other reviews. 0-60 hardly comparable.
The base Carrera performance is actually quite remarkable. I get what they were trying to do by comparing the base model to the top end, however it would have been interesting to see what a Carrera 4S would have done.
Looks like a Carwow video :)
Let's see: in the drag race the touring started a bit slower, so in an even start they should've finished very close one to the other. In the rolling race probably if the RS would have had more miles on the clock it would've make a better performance.
I cant wait to see the new gt2rs
No full lap times?
Was there any mention of the tyres? If the RS was on Cup R, the Touring on Cup 2 and the Carrera on PZero, most of the comparisons would have been pointless and heavily in favour of the RS
Is this comparison really fair? You compared two vehicle with Pirelli P-Zero versus one other rolling on Cup-2's. This might influence breaking performance as well als handling.
Thanks, just wow.
Need to get the GT Black Series on
Thought you would have done a timed lap in each
Nice how you used a Touring instead of the regular GT3 to show the difference
Great video! But why not put the Carrera GTS against the GT3 and GT3RS?
It’s closer to the other two, considering the price and performance. Maybe those very special GT3 could be embarrassed in some tests? The basic Carrera is an excellent car but it’s not a competitor to the others.
So on the road below 90 mph their is not much in it. So you may as well have a C2 and the best part of £50k or even £100k remaining in your bank account. However if your are on the track (uninsured), an experienced driver and someone else is paying for the car, tyres and fuel (ie you are a a motoring journalist), the GT3 is the quickest.
The first option suits me, as I pay for it myself. Enjoyed the film, well done!
I like how they had the GT3 launch bad to get RS the drag win. All the down force is not good for high end speed. We’re the 3/RS on the same tires?
The gt3 touring was a manual, so of course it gets of the line worse