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I love that USAF just builds whatever they want on their own. Awesome setup. I also love that they name their small arms the same way they name their not so small arms haha.
All the services build their own specialized weapons that are intended for small batch issue. It's only when you 're building a general issue piece of gear (that will be issued DoD wide) do you need input from other services.
When you have the budget, why not.
I Am Spartacus
I’d just like to point out that $100 million isn’t particularly expensive as far as modern combat aircraft go, and that they’re actually $78 million a pop for the A model (you know, the one that the Air Force uses).
Not to mention that they have exceeded the capabilities of many contemporary aircraft, so regardless of how high the requirements were set, it’s doing fairly well for itself.
I said I didn’t need to build another AR, but here you are dropping ideas in my head.
It’s never about need, fren.
Build a 608 clone, they're really cool and Brownells makes new pistol grips that you could chop for the project instead of an original.
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This will break down smaller for my pelican case though.
Good luck finding the original parts! Been trying for about two months now, all sold out.
This is a case where I think an integrally suppressed .300 blackout would make a lot of sense. You dont really have to worry about resupplying a downed pilot and having an exceptionally quiet weapon would be a huge asset for someone alone in enemy territory
That was my thought as well. Even if they had a detachable suppressor it would be ok. No reason to announce your position every time you have to use the weapon.
That's a very valid point you guys have, when a pilot is going to use this, it means he/she was downed behind enemy lines, the less attention the pilot draws, the better. What I've heard was, that the Air force had some requirements for this new PDW, and one of those requirements was that it must be able to reach out to targets at 300 yards. That might be the reason why they didn't go for a suppressed 300BO. Also the accuracy requirements might have been an issue, as 300BO doesn't produce the kind of accuracy that 5.56 produces and 5.56 is pretty much being purchased by the 100's of thousands by the air force, meaning now they need to purchase ammo specially for these PDW's.
J van Niekerk I’m betting it’s the price point. Supersonic 300 blk will hit 300 yards but it’ll never be as cheap as 5.56.
@@Jarrow13 Further, supressed .300AAC is no better than a 9mm ballistically if you're using subsonic loads. Supersonic loads are not all that quite, even when suppressed.
@@Jarrow13 Also consider that the 300 BLK sbr question has already been answered in that no organization in the military has decided to switch away from the tried and true mk18 style platform matched with mk262 5.56 NATO. It took the military around 20 years to get the 5.56mm sbr to work right and the advantage of 300blk is not as much as people think.
Imagine if pilots in Vietnam had these! They could probably put up a decent resistance!
Funny your should mention that. Colt did make the 608 which had a simplified stock, truncated ("saw-off") pistol grip, and a much shorter barrel.
outnumbered 1000 to 1 in the middle of hostile territory? lol
@@TSpencerWise atleast its better than all that fucked up fallout bolt action frankenstein rifle he mention previously.
@@TSpencerWise Exactly.
Son Tay raiders!
I say I think they would benfit from actually using the brace on the weapon in pace of the stock. The brace could be helpful after a crash were the airman is injured.
That is a really good point but I'm not sure I would want a gun strapped to my arm if it was the only good arm I had. I think a pistol at that point would be more accurate if shooting free hand. Off some type of cover the rifle would take the cake but you don't need a brace for that. But it gives more options to the end user, and in a survival situation options are your best friend!
If you extend the stock all the way you can hold it under your arm for better one handed use. That is a good point though.
The Velcro straps can be used as a tourniquet. Great point!
Purchased my first cry havoc unit in Jan 2018 and put it on an 8" 9mm AR that I assembled. It has a law folder and brace and fits in a 50 cal ammo can. Shoots great too. I love the folding pistol grip as well. Really turns it into a sweet small package.
Nice review Chris. 🤠
I have the cry Havoc system on a 10.5" AR pistol with a DeadAir Sandman attached with the three prong KeyMoe.
Breaks down into three pieces that wrap in a towel and store in a duffle!
Went with a H2 buffer to tame the little beast.
The CryHavoc system is well build and of outstanding quality....🤠
I rate this review at
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I was a USAF fighter jock, post-Nam through Storm 1. I have no actual combat time but was 'combat ready' for many years and I have talked to a lot of crews who did including Nam POWs.
The biggest problem I see is that, unless the USAF gets serious about small arms training for the crews, the weapon is worthless. During my flying career I was supposed to 'qualify' with the M-15 (.38) once a year. Often even that did not happen. There is a vicious circle of not taking small arms training seriously and ignoring the training which leads to more apathy toward the weapon. It didn't help that, evidently, during Nam, a lot of .38 ammo sent to war was defective with under charges of powder. Word of this spread like wildfire.
The USAF spent extra dollars to buy S&W Model 15s with adjustable sights then NEVER allowed them to be fired and sighted in. Even when we DID go to the range we shot 'training revolvers' - not our squadron's guns that were kept stored in an armory. The training guns were fired thousands of times a year and suffered significant wear and tear which added to the lack of confidence many had in the issue weapon. I personally campaigned to take the whole squadron to the range annually, have every flyer shoot and sight-in his individual weapon and qualify with it. A lazy NCO running Life Support opposed it as drawing weapons and returning them to the armory was 'too much added work' once a year. Never mind that firing YOUR weapon would give you some confidence that it would actually shoot and that you could hit something with it!
Yes, some fliers questioned whether or not the squadron's guns would even fire. On the rare occasions they were actually issued during 'exercises' (without ammo!) I demonstrated how a pencil with an eraser dropped down the barrel into an empty cylinder on a cocked .38 would fly out the muzzle when the hammer was dropped thus proving the gun would fire!
There is a phenomenon I observed with many fliers that I think applies to GIs in general: 'if the USAF issues it, it must be junk!' I know one flyer who became a POW who refused to load his .38 as he thought it useless and threw it away as soon as he was on the ground in North Vietnam.
Also the level of ignorance regarding handguns at times shocked me. One of my squadron commanders told our Life Support branch to only issue five rounds of ammo so there would be an empty chamber under the hammer. This man had flown two tours combat in Vietnam and had no real idea how a modern revolver worked and he was totally uninterested when I tried to explain how the 'empty chamber' was a holdover from the Single Action Army in the 1800s.
During my career I figured the .38 (and the later M-9) had only three serious uses following bailout in enemy territory and going Rambo against an enemy squad or platoon was NOT one of them:
1. To hold off a mob of angry locals till the army showed up to accept your surrender
2. POSSIBLY to shoot the soldier who finds you hiding and then take his rifle - problem is few fliers knew how to use any enemy weapons. I did, but that is another story.
3. To use on yourself in areas where POWs were routinely tortured and killed or start a gunfight you know you are going to lose
Use number three brings up the probable motive for the USAF to develop a rifle that could be stowed in the seat pack survival kit. In our current areas of operation, 'save the last round for yourself' again rings as true as it did for the cavalry in the Indian Wars. In the theaters we send our crews to fly today, they may as well shoot it out with the enemy as becoming POW is not a viable option.
So I'm damn glad they have developed the rifle and would have loved to have had one under my ass the 2,000 hours I had phlying a Phantom. But I stand by my opening statement about significant training for the aircrews.
As you see, the Corona Quarantine gives me a lot of idle time to type.!
Very good points.
The police pay for their own additional range training. Maybe pilots should too
There is a reason they call it the chair force. Even if it’s by incompetent and lazy leadership and not the willingness of the pilots to seek training and skill. That’s terrible you have such lazy and stupid insular leadership.
@@NEAAFFAIRSbullshit,every branch should be combat and operational ready at government expense. No soldier or 1st responder should out of pocket for any job related operations or survivalist training.
I’m glad they got something to properly defend themselves hope they don’t have to use it
I’d argue that this is also the perfect “trunk/truck” version of the ar15.
I know pilots from NAM an I m sure every conflict we've been in since that would have wanted one of these, I know I do, thx for the vid.
GAU-5As were used by the SPs, CCTs and PJs. “Back in the day”.
Don't forget the PBJ.
I carried one during Desert Storm. (Air Force EOD)
My Apologies for forgetting USAF EOD and Combat Weather.
@@thomaswalsh5097 OPSEC! We can't talk about combat weather! Lol. Keesler for life!
@@markdillard4422 I cook my eggs with detcord.
Made my own version with the addition of a LAW folder & chambered in .300
Got to test fire today. Worked well! One complaint (which im not sure they could even address, as barrels naturally get hot as you shoot em') it gets a bit difficult to insert / remove the barrel once it heats up.
I was a USAF HH53 CSAR pilot, and we carried the GAU5. Never fired the thing, but smaller size was useful when getting in and out of the cockpit. Compared to today’s weapons it was very light.
I was in the middle of watching this and like magic, I got an email from Jim informing me that they have QRBs in back in stock! Been on the waiting list for over a month. From my convo with him, a very professional guy. Dead nuts accurate on the wait time also.
An outstanding piece of engineering, thank you for the overview.
Just bought a kit from American Resistance with this takedown system and a Law Tactical folding stock adapter with a brace. Going to put it together with a lower I have and I can’t wait!
They should throw a Aimpoint T-2 with a QD mount in the pack as well very compact,reliable optic
Not small enough. I mean they even put a folding pistol grip on it. The QD also adds a step. They want a downed pilot to grab this out of the seat in the dark and assemble by feel.
I bought the Cry havoc QRB kit off their website put in on a V Seven enlightened upper & lower V7 18 in lithium aluminum handguard , with a 20 in BCM barrel Battle Arms Development Saber tube with a Law Tactical stock folder.
I must have at least 2 maybe 3! Just need to move out of CA first :-p
I've seen this rifle before, and it's still impresses me. Though I would've made a couple of changes, but then again I'm not 100% sure if the Air Force would agree with or need those changes.
Chris, have created my favorite CZcams Channel. Thank you for such great content!
If they want to take this idea to the next level make one with 20 inch barrel then you have a 12.5 and a 20 inch then you give it to the USMC
Thats an AMAZING suggestion
The ultimate truck gun.
The airforce should’ve bought the Deadfoot Arms’ modified cycling system and made it even more compact.
Darn it! Every time I watch your channel I end up wanting another rifle or pistol! Not going to unsub though! Thanks again for another great video!
That's awesome.they need a suppreser because they are by themselves
Chris/Heather... Another great video. Fly, Fight, Win!!! Aim High!!!
I was hoping you'd talk about this rifle. This rifle and the LMT MARS-L and other ARs with detachable barrels have been fascinating me recently.
I wish Midwest Industries would produce a longer barreled version of it so we can legally have it be a rifle. It would still be small enough to be practical. I'd buy one if they were available with a 16" barrel.
Build your own! I purchased the Colt LE6920 SA 223 Rem/5.56 NATO 30+1 16.1" No Furniture. I also purchased an additional barrel adaptor and swap it out with a 12.5" barrel depending how I'm carrying it.
The upper receiver molding mark the A over H is the same upper that Smith & Wesson uses on their M&P sport 2. Very interesting rifle.
This is the Midwest Industry rifle. Actual usaf rifles would have GI contract parts I would expect minus the barrel and QRB system.
Kind of surprised they didn't go with one of the short Sig mcx rifles with the folding stock.
I think GAU-5A is more compact than the Sig MCX because the GAU-5A disconnects the barrel from the upper. The MCX with the stock folded is still longer because the barrel is still mounted to upper.
That's probably where they choose the barrel length the longest they could make it while keeping it the length of the lower.
because they needed this to fit in like a shoebox attached to a pilots seat
I was at Aviano when these first came out and just happened to qualify when the pilots got these new rifles and man they're slick. Super compact, much more than a sig. And they're just as accurate as an M4 imo. Great handy rifles imo and the pilots really loved them.
It’s just so much simpler getting parts for these guns the MCX is a mostly proprietary system
Love that AR-7
I guess that’s where the Henry Survival rifle came from.
Ruger PC Carbine, might work for this application, as well.
I guess they felt the need to re-invent the wheel. Dolos take down system does the exact same thing.
It’s interesting that they designated the GAU 5 as an aircraft gun. (Gun Aircraft Unit)
They did the same when they adopted the XM177. I wonder why they did it again, especially considering the GUU-5.
From "The Black Rifle" book:" GAU-Gun, Automatic."
Personally would've preferred a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel but no doubt they have their reasons
Nice work Chris and Heather.
Pretty slick! I'd never heard of it but it's pretty cool.👍🇺🇸
I saw the video that MAC did and have been interested in this since. Thank you for the extra info.
Good to see the military is finally catching up on the quality we civilians have had for awhile😂
Whatever happened to the car15 survival rifle?
CAR-15 was not a survival rifle, but a carbine, usually carried by special forces teams and leaders of combat units, if available. It was the basis for the M-4 carbine.
@@ronaldrobertson2332 Supposedly there was a survival rifle version of the AR-15 that was put under the CAR-15 moniker (You could argue the M16 is part of the CAR-15 family). That's what is being mentioned in og comment. We all know about the shorty AR's called CAR-15.
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Anyone know what the NSN number is for the issued storage bag the Air Force uses for this?
Props to MishaCo! 🤘
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I wonder if there would be a benefit of going with AR-18 or SIG MCX base instead of AR-15 due to ability of easily mounting a folding or telescoping stock and thus making the overal lenght even shorter...
I wish they used the Colt SCW stock and buffer tube. For extra compactness
EA sucks would not wit, the SCW would be way to thick with the stock folded to fit in the space required. There is a very small place this has to fit.
@@SmallArmsSolutions thanks for the reply. Having unfortunately never actually been around an SCW I didn't know how wide/thick the stock was folded
EA sucks the SCW was a poor design. When the stock was folded, you traded length for double width.
I wonder why they didn’t use those little car m4 stocks instead of the standard milspec stock. Seems like it would be that much better for storage
Brandon Viray parts commonality with M4 I would guess
Neatly done ✅
If you want to review a near clone geissele urgi upper receive let me know.
Hey Chris. What do you think about the feasibility of this system for hot swappable barrels? Heavy fluted barrels and drum fed might make a good light support weapon. Repeatability of sights isn't an issue on this one. Cry Havoc said their system can handle the heat but didn't know about the upper. What do you think?
also available in 300 BLK
They should've gone with a PCC in my opinion.
Why? 9mm vs 5.56 in a life or death, behind enemy lines survival situation...5.56 dominates 9mm in this scenario.
An interesting product, however...
How is this elaborate QD barrel system superior to just push-pinning the upper and lower receivers apart? A breakdown and reassembly method, I may add, which requires no special training, since any serviceman who knows how to clean a rifle already has it down. Seem to me like someone figured out how to sell something to Uncle Sam which he didn't realize he already had.
Doktor Faustus the pdw would not have fit under the seat that way.
Do you know where copies of the GAU-5A's under seat storage case may be purchased, please?
No sir. Never seen them commercially available
To a non military person like myself s suppressor for this rifle seems like a good idea. They are such noisy guns that can be heard for miles. I'm sure they though of that and there is a good reason. Could it be that a combatant with a suppressed rifle may be treated differently from downed aircrew if found?
More likely that a suppressor is a rather long and bulky thing, and may have to get rid of things such as signaling tools, emergency rations and water purifiers, and possibly ammunition.
Thanks for a really interesting video. I have virtually no experience in firing weapons myself, but I find the technology involved to be quite fascinating.
Why such a thick barrel for this type of weapon system?
I wonder if the air Force would be better off using a pistol brace themselves, just in case a pilot hurts one of their arms?
I’d feel better with this and a pistol.
@@paulbarclay4114 I don't understand what your getting at, are you saying my point is not a legitimate one?
Then the rifle would be stuck to the airman's only good arm, impeding the use of their only good hand. And that's if they're even able to attach the brace with only one usable arm/hand.
@@LUCNUKEM that's fair and a legitimate concern. Thank you for actually putting forth a counterpoint instead of being an idiot
@@LUCNUKEM and I agree I think it would be better to find something to brace it on then to constrain your arm to that one and only task
Didn't Windham Weaponry had some sort of quick detach barrel AR-15?
The MCS which was originally the MGI Hydra. Quite different from this.
We call it "Gow" 5, not "Gah" 5. Cool video.
Wonder if it would work well with the FAB Defense stock that comes with a 10 round mag. Not sure if the pistol grip would block it from fully collapsing. Maybe even chamber it in 300 blackout since the barrel is short + shooting subsonic could be handy.
I have actually built a clone of this system with these items. They are compatible and it is a great set-up!
Glad the air force made a smart decision 😂
Is this the first example of the US Military choosing a nitride barrel over a chrome lined one?
This is a commercial unit. The military ones use m4 barrels
The original M-16s has plain carbon steel barrels. They didn’t last long in operational use.
Wonder how the Dolos stacks up against the crye havoc. Dolos seems quicker
I have both the Dolos & the Cry Havoc TD systems. Even though the Dolos seems quicker to assemble, the Cry Havoc system is much better. The gas tube is well protected from damage, you’re not limited to a couple of handguard choices, and you retain zero after numerous breakdowns and reassemblies.
how much is lost with the 556 and the short barrel?
They should put 4 60rnd surefires...
Try the S60 from schmeisser. I've found them to be lighter and reliable.
If I were a pilot, i'd want an additional 2 mags strapped to my body...more than likely time will be of the essence and this would cut down the potential problem of fumbling for magazines
The G-forces from flight would press the mags hard into your body it would be quite uncomfortable/painful, also pilots are really not going down fighting insurgents with no anti air weapons.
Basic load for this is 4 magazines.: 1 in the rifle and 3 in a bandoleer.
Under ejection forces they wouldn’t be with you long (and probably do you an injury).
I wonder why the USAF didn't go with a 10.3" barrel like the Mk.18, it's already in the inventory system.
10.3 is at the edge on M4s and the package size means they could fit a 12.5 barrel so why not?
I don't think the Mk18 upper fits in the seat. Have you seen how this one sits in the box? There's not a lot of room.
So is there a way to buy the barrel nut assembly? This would pretty much make a great way to pack a light "full sized" rifle the while hiking
Cry havoc sells them directly. Owner is very nice in my experience.
It saves what 5-7 inches over removing a normal upper with a similar length barrel. Hardly seems worth it
That 5 to 7 inches, means weather it fits under the jets seat.
@@SmallArmsSolutions you're right and for that very specific application it must make sense. For the rest of us?
They didn’t make it for us
Who makes this rifle good review
... I want one...
Is it still available?
Why not the Dolos system . A lot easier to remove the Barrel .
Dolos can only use a proprietary handguard the Cry havoc can use any handguard. also the locking mechanism is more secure on the cry havoc
@@keithwelch8563 it is much better than dolos. Can't be used with hand guards that have anti rotation tabs. Must be flat at the back. Simple modification with a grinder will allow for other options.
Now the ATF will be out arresting our Air Force pilots...
Was the Colt 608 not used?
No ear pro?
Yes I am!
Obviously I'm not qualified to say what the air force should or should not use. But I'm curious if the HK MP5K or MP5K-PDW had been used for aircrews in their packs. Then again considering it's the Air Force, what condition their weapons are compared to the Army and Marines that are all worn out and held together by cheap 3rd party knock off parts.
Midas well just carry an M9 or M17 if they have an MP5. Need more firepower than a pistol caliber.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Agreed. 9mm is 9mm, that's got a max effective range of 50 yards, nevermind if you're just using FMJ. MCX Rattler with a 5 inch barrel is still devastating out to a hundred yards when feeding M855A1, the low velocity gel tests I've been able to find are quite impressive.
where does mishaco get all his stuff?
Pure Magic I think!
This was a weird series of events which led to him picking it up. I was over at his house to record videos and he asked me to pull some info on USAF firearms for a model plane video he was about to do. For whatever reason this was near the top of the results. When I searched for details, Midwest Industries store page was at the top AND they had them in stock. When Misha went to order one the next day or so, they went out of stock, showed backordered, but when he backordered it, he got an order confirmation and a ship notice shortly thereafter.
Very innovative weapon system. Any concerns with longevity on this system?
Not really. Springs could possibly get weak if taken on and off hundreds and hundreds (perhaps thousands) of times. Gun would still work fine just have loose tabs.
I wonder if they tested the law folder adapter with this rifle.
Doubt it, Rifle would have been to thick to fit under the seat of the jet.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Right, makes sense.
They looked into it and couldn't get it to fit.
I'm surprised it is not equipped with a suppressor in the survival kit. It wouldn't take up that much space or add to the weight.
There’s far more compact options for the AR platform. Why they went with the trouble of a detachable barrel idk.
First ability to get it to fit in an ejection seat, seat kit is the issue.
More compact? With similar barrel length? Doubt. Without the detachable barrel the sum of barrel and upper length alone would force you to chop so much barrel that there would be no point.
Just a question.. Why not just use a 10.5 inch barreled upper and break it down by taking the upper off of the lower? seems like a trained pilot doesn't need a fancy break down barrel if he can just assemble 2 pins and be on his way...
Not Sure
You get a much shorter package this way. The length of the upper crosses over the lower, so splitting the two results in less saved space.
Taking down from the barrel reduces the overall length of the system in terms of packaging.
You're Not Sure.
Detaching the barrel allows for stuff to get inside the gun as well. Looks like the bcg needs locked back.i know they chose this design to save space but I think a short barreled sig side folder would be a better choice because yea this thing breaks down small but it still has the same overall footprint and because it’s in parts you need a case for everything.id rather have a sig or a 5.45 ,5.56 krink just strapped down
Yep, a mix of all of these things. MAC did a direct comparison to the 10.5" and the overall length disassembled is still longer than this one with a 12" barrel, plus all of your internals are captured.
I see the Air Force is still throwing money away.
We actually use it pretty wisely.
As usual the Air Force missed the plane .... that thing should be suppressed. Nothing like a downed pilot saying I'm over here as he shoots his rifle. I know a suppressor is not zero noise but it would help. Adding a quick disconnect muzzle device and tossing is a suppressor would not take up any more room.
Neat topic and interesting to see.
What are your thoughts on the Magpul Pro sights?
I think they are excellent, but I expect nothing less from Magpul.
Seems like a taxpayer funded overly expensive novelty in my opinion. Sure, it's neat, but if we are talking about a "desperation" behind enemy lines survival weapon, possibly used to take an enemy battle rifle, then a readily available 8.5" barrel AR "pistol" or SBR with BUIS and 4 magazines would fill the bill and be just about as compact with the upper and lower separated. This seems like most other things the government does, there are readily available products that will do what they "need" done, but they "want" something with "special" magical specs that is overly expensive. I guess they aren't spending their own money so spend away. This may be a very small example, but this is how government spending and budgets get out of hand, and we tax payers are left footing the bill.
Ericka C I don’t believe 8.5 in bbl would meet the reliability. No military will go with less than 10.3 due to reliability issues.those shorter barrels are fine for commercial use but not military use.
@@SmallArmsSolutions In the past they were using .22 long rifle, .22 long rifle rimfire is less "reliable" than centerfire, but it was used as a "desperation" behind enemy lines cartridge where the downed pilot wasn't looking for a fight but just hoping to hold out and stay hidden until rescued. There are tons of 8.5" AR pistols and sbr running reliably in all manner of calibers. And I'm sure as a firearms guy you know the 8.5" can be "tuned" to be very reliable by barrel gas port size, adjustable gas block or spring and buffer combinations, all of which are cheap and available. But I do still think the takedown barrel design is interesting.
I don't see the need for the folding grip, it seems like a unnecessary failure point. I can see the brace over the issue M4 stock if perhaps the pilot is injured.
It makes a difference in the stowage. Very confined space. Inches count
Should be a very handy SBR
Seemes kinda stupid considering whats on the market an mcx a honey badger a galil 🤷🏿♂️
looks like it would fit in a laptop case
It will some
I wonder why the military refuses to get rid of the damn buffer tube.
because it is a necessary part of the gun.
it cant function without it
@@airsoftphysik4342 even the vaunted HK416 uses a buffer tube...
Surprised it's properly gassed for a carbine system.
I'm going to be pissed when another law is made to take my guns away because idiots want to call a shouldering device a pistol brace. Pay the 200 bucks.
Well, if that isn't clever, I don't know what else is...
ASquadWipe???.. .😢😅 idk how to feel about this
.... Airmen Self Defense Weapon?....😮
Nooo🫠ASDW= ASquaDWipe 😂❤
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