shoutout to virtualrock for not being a baby while their nation is crumbling like literally everyone else and at least having fun with it to the bitter end
@@sedargames8161 ehh, i disagree. Nothing really happened in the hungarian thing. Just wars, gaining some territory, losing some territory, rince and repeat
This one’s pretty fun, but not nearly enough RP, and story telling. That was one of my favorite parts of it all. I understand why he takes that out, probably a lot more work than war analyzation but it’s not as fun for me.
Holy cow. Did I see a, dare I say, Spudgun skill issue?? Those wipes in the north were brutal! I can’t wait to see how this war develops in the next episode. Spud truly knows how to keep everything in the air on how the chips will fall. Bravo on another fantastic episode.
DM didn't block encirclement or listen to Spud's advice in time. It was his front; Spud only had stacks there in the first place to support with his attack generals. Italy had trash mil tech, his role was to provide generals and occupy space while slowly moving in from the south. Spud did accidentally engage a larger stack while reinforcing but that's more of an 'attention issue'.
My answer for Spudgun Trivia Hour is: Scandinavia has a CB on Italy for Containment! Because of the Ottoman wars Italy has taken so many states that it is now over infamy limit.
@@28lobster28 My understanding from watching these videos is that there's basically two stages of infamy, the normal 25 puts the Casus Belli on you, while the 32.5 puts a modifier on your country, called something like "international sanctions" or whatever. It adds some severe debuffs making further wars extremely difficult and effectively forcing the offending player to chill out until their infamy ticks down.
@@vikingwalrus2253 If that's the case he might have made a deal not to contain him when he went over 25. With all the big nations as players, there's no immediate containment war and they could all be distracted.
@@MrJethroha i mean. I dont know if IT happend here accually. But u can always add your's wargoals during a war when they for the first were slighly winning and then losing a war meaning they wasted infamy and dont get anything.
Italy: "Hey, Italy is here!" Bohemia: "Oh nice! So there isn't going to be a funny nation this time" Italy: "..." Bohemia: "... There isn't going to be a funny nation this time right?"
Honestly, DM is always more of a funny nation to me. Losing to a country they pretty much full sieged down, losing to Scandinavia and giving up England, not doing anything while Aragon-Italy ships half its army to the Americas, etc. Editing in more that I just remembered: 1. DM tries to retake England, succeeds because of Amerigan battleships, then proceeds to turn on Ameriga with Scandinavia, who he just fought, only to get his navy destroyed. 2. DM skill issues his country into almost collapsing. The only way out is to join the Burgundians in killing his former allies. 3. DM stackwipes his ally's army during a transfer war. 4. DM gets completely drunk and almost screws over their ally by forming Italy. That was in this campaign. 5. DM, Burgundy, Italy, and Spain all join a war against the Elbians, Wurtemburg, Ottomans, Scandinavia, and the PLC. Elbians, Wurtemburg, Ottomans, and PLC were also fighting a massive war against Turania, China, Japan, and Russia. They get encircled and completely destroyed.
Extremely well played burgundy, I like loco for being a wild card but it kinda feels like spud is backing the wrong horse. Also maybe that hugbox forming in central Europe might be undone if Danubian tries going for Germany. Either way the only one who really has claims on spud is his ally Hungary who hashed out a deal. This is an excellent game for spud, he has killed all his natural enemies so even though nowhere really looks like free land it at least his diplomacy options are quite vast
I think Spud is making the right decision. Strategically the threat of Scandi+Burgundy+Danubians is going to make life hell for any colonial adventures Spud has. Not to mention the late game wars. Propping up DM means Burgundy doesn't get to eat all that high pop french land, Scandi's naval supremacy can be challenged and overall makes for a more interesting game.
@@DeprivedJuice my main hope is regardless of who spud sides with is that Danubia flips sides in his quest to become full Germany, wanting to kill Burgundy/PLC/Scandi. If Scandi loses Britain and northern Germany then Italy might not have to worry about their Navy anymore
"11. If you have surrendered a war, are planning to surrender a war, or a peace is being settled for a war you are in, you may not declare on any of the war participants spherelings or allies in an attempt to block them from joining the other war." I think you missed a rule that was exceptionally relevant to loco's instant CB lul (here's also i think the EXACT reno rules paragraph) "J. If you have surrendered a war, are planning to surrender a war, or a peace is being settled for a war you are in; you may not within that window declare on any of the war participants spherelings or allies in an attempt to block them from joining the sphere war as you are technically still at war with the sphere leader / ally."
@@Michaelonyoutub From what i remember it was the same ruleset used for the campaign as it was ongoing. I talked with the Scandi player between sessions and we noticed that rule, but it was too late to change anything since no one noticed during the session. It's definitely not modified or out of date.
It's brutal to say because I love Bigweevil and it's kind of scummy, but I honestly hope Spud betrays the deal and refuses to give up Dalmatia and parts of Istria. Cores with lots of accepted POPs, and (more importantly) it makes the map look nice!!1!1!!11! We all know Vic 2 is a map painting game!!! In all seriousness though, after defeating the Ottomans and Aragon, the Balkans seems like the best expansion option. Hungary is much weaker, Spud can connect his territory in Italy and Greece to avoid naval invasions, get more connected ports for an even bigger late game navy, and it would be fairly easy to defend (compared to expanding pretty much anywhere else, such as overseas or North Africa). Excited to see the next part! :)
@@radec5437 Funnily enough, one of ghe few good kings Spain has had in the past 300 years was Amadeo di Savoia. Lasted a whole 2 years and 3 months before abdication.
Scandi i believe has "Contain Hegemon" on you as Italy I noticed that earlier you had 26 infamy and someone said about containment so if there was not rules to prevent it even with just contain hegemon they would be able to join in without the cores
It seems an inherent problem with your ruleset is that it requires a mod to interpret people's intentions and there's no way to that without making people unhappy.
Heh. But as he said, falling into complacency and not looking for an expansion route isn't his style. Besides, it would be boring both to play and watch if the rest of the campaign was just him idling in the corner building factories, even if that might be the optimal strategy.
Burgundy had all of his troops concentrated in the north while Italy's and DM's forces were spread out and when they sent all their troops north it was already too late.
Europe in Falmes is best mod. Serbia having 10 mil tech in 1836 and two extra states at the start of the game isn't broken and, while I could explain why I believe so, I'm too busy writing a 10,000 word treaty stating that all minors must surrender 22 infamy to me or suffer a 50 infamy penalty and total loss of prestige.
Yeah, he usually gets better results than this, but he is human and sometimes messes things up. Sometimes it's his ally's fault instead, but to give Spud credit he usually admits when he's at fault.
Scandinavia has containment on at least Italy, and I am guessing he must have it on the DM as well and that is the cb Scandinavia has on both Italy and DM
I swear to god the video length is a decoy, you made us think we were getting a climactic war, instead we got 10 minutes of analysis and attaturke memes.
Guys if your girl *Is colored yellow in the map* *Works with you* *Screws Up trying to 1v1 someone instead of sneak attacking* Then that's not your girl, that's Bohemia
Ah the answer to your Q is easy if you actually watched the vid! Everyone got containment CBs on you for your infamy a little bit before the war, and Scandi would have that available to him if he didnt have the acquire state one
Nah, Bohemia is usually a fairly large and relevant power in any game where they don't get teamed up on day 1 by Burgundy/Scandi/Poland. I can't remember any other campaigns on this channel where Bohemia was irrelevant.
Mare Nostrum goal? Focus on getting Anatolia and North Africa. Get that Suez asap. Get that Gibraltar strait, be like the Romans and eat Spain. Idk if you'd have enough infamy to just annex that much, but just complete domination of the Mediterranean sounds like the cool guy play and probably the most natural expansion, especially if North Africa has little resistance and the rest of the ottomans are free AND your army has that much untapped power
Everyone thought that Italy would be the funny nation this game, but the truth is, Bohemia had the game rigged from the start
shoutout to virtualrock for not being a baby while their nation is crumbling like literally everyone else and at least having fun with it to the bitter end
Virtualroc regularly gets defeated by spud and hes always a pretty nice guy about it. Love you virtualroc
Little reminder that Jaeger tried to encircle a navy
lmao this is cyber bullying
I needed that reminder
@@hyperion3145 You are welcome
And thought prestige influenced dicerolls
I love how the chapter is named "The FIRST Dual Monarchy Restoration War". You know its gonna be a fuckfest lol
Should be called the second war of the skill issue tbh
I expect as many wars as the Poland series.
"Ataturk Jumpscare" got me fucking rolling laughing for some reason
Best wishes as always Spudgun
This new DM guy is so hyped like him way more than the previous guy, im getting hyped and im not even playing!
Loco spud meta alliance is epic
Yea that DM guy is the man!
@@ripred42 loco tactics unparalleled in brilliance
I've played with him he's a great guy
@@georgebarsan5890 ... hindsight proves otherwise, massive skill issue by Loco
We will have to see if this series beats out American Bloodbath and Muscovy for the top spots.
What are you talking about, Hungary was the best one.
@@sedargames8161 ehh, i disagree. Nothing really happened in the hungarian thing. Just wars, gaining some territory, losing some territory, rince and repeat
Bruh forgetting Poland?
This one’s pretty fun, but not nearly enough RP, and story telling. That was one of my favorite parts of it all. I understand why he takes that out, probably a lot more work than war analyzation but it’s not as fun for me.
Nothing will ever beat American bloodbath.
Holy cow. Did I see a, dare I say, Spudgun skill issue?? Those wipes in the north were brutal! I can’t wait to see how this war develops in the next episode. Spud truly knows how to keep everything in the air on how the chips will fall. Bravo on another fantastic episode.
Nah another DM with skill issue, he had the troops to block the encirclement but didn’t stop it
DM didn't block encirclement or listen to Spud's advice in time. It was his front; Spud only had stacks there in the first place to support with his attack generals. Italy had trash mil tech, his role was to provide generals and occupy space while slowly moving in from the south. Spud did accidentally engage a larger stack while reinforcing but that's more of an 'attention issue'.
My answer for Spudgun Trivia Hour is: Scandinavia has a CB on Italy for Containment! Because of the Ottoman wars Italy has taken so many states that it is now over infamy limit.
Yep I'm pretty sure you got it right
true, italy is just over 25 infamy
I think this mod makes it 32.5 infamy limit
@@28lobster28 My understanding from watching these videos is that there's basically two stages of infamy, the normal 25 puts the Casus Belli on you, while the 32.5 puts a modifier on your country, called something like "international sanctions" or whatever. It adds some severe debuffs making further wars extremely difficult and effectively forcing the offending player to chill out until their infamy ticks down.
@@vikingwalrus2253 If that's the case he might have made a deal not to contain him when he went over 25. With all the big nations as players, there's no immediate containment war and they could all be distracted.
Why is virtualrock always the main bad guy of the first half in the series
He's not really the bad guy here. He's just getting bullied
He always just plays nations that are natural enemies of Spud's nation so kinda his fault
It's just like my Japanese anime
To answer the question at the end of the video: He has a badboy CB on Italy for you being over 25 infamy (maybe on DM too?)
Why would DM have so much infamy, hasn't that nation been losing territory not gaining it?
@@MrJethroha i mean. I dont know if IT happend here accually. But u can always add your's wargoals during a war when they for the first were slighly winning and then losing a war meaning they wasted infamy and dont get anything.
@Trash Tier Waifu . Yes that woud be right. Just dont know what he added before. But cores wont gave him infamy.
Italy: "Hey, Italy is here!"
Bohemia: "Oh nice! So there isn't going to be a funny nation this time"
Italy: "..."
Bohemia: "... There isn't going to be a funny nation this time right?"
Honestly, DM is always more of a funny nation to me. Losing to a country they pretty much full sieged down, losing to Scandinavia and giving up England, not doing anything while Aragon-Italy ships half its army to the Americas, etc.
Editing in more that I just remembered:
1. DM tries to retake England, succeeds because of Amerigan battleships, then proceeds to turn on Ameriga with Scandinavia, who he just fought, only to get his navy destroyed.
2. DM skill issues his country into almost collapsing. The only way out is to join the Burgundians in killing his former allies.
3. DM stackwipes his ally's army during a transfer war.
4. DM gets completely drunk and almost screws over their ally by forming Italy. That was in this campaign.
5. DM, Burgundy, Italy, and Spain all join a war against the Elbians, Wurtemburg, Ottomans, Scandinavia, and the PLC. Elbians, Wurtemburg, Ottomans, and PLC were also fighting a massive war against Turania, China, Japan, and Russia. They get encircled and completely destroyed.
Extremely well played burgundy, I like loco for being a wild card but it kinda feels like spud is backing the wrong horse. Also maybe that hugbox forming in central Europe might be undone if Danubian tries going for Germany.
Either way the only one who really has claims on spud is his ally Hungary who hashed out a deal.
This is an excellent game for spud, he has killed all his natural enemies so even though nowhere really looks like free land it at least his diplomacy options are quite vast
There is no way Danube isn't going for Germany, he's the thorn that could jut into Scandinavia and Burgundy's back if not dealt with.
I think Spud is making the right decision. Strategically the threat of Scandi+Burgundy+Danubians is going to make life hell for any colonial adventures Spud has. Not to mention the late game wars. Propping up DM means Burgundy doesn't get to eat all that high pop french land, Scandi's naval supremacy can be challenged and overall makes for a more interesting game.
@@DeprivedJuice my main hope is regardless of who spud sides with is that Danubia flips sides in his quest to become full Germany, wanting to kill Burgundy/PLC/Scandi. If Scandi loses Britain and northern Germany then Italy might not have to worry about their Navy anymore
The series never fail at making me feel happy and making my day so much better
100% this. Now with 100% more Loco shenanigans and enthusiasm!
"11. If you have surrendered a war, are planning to surrender a war, or a peace is being settled for a war you are in, you may not declare on any of the war participants spherelings or allies in an attempt to block them from joining the other war."
I think you missed a rule that was exceptionally relevant to loco's instant CB lul
(here's also i think the EXACT reno rules paragraph)
"J. If you have surrendered a war, are planning to surrender a war, or a peace is being settled for a war you are in; you may not within that window declare on any of the war participants spherelings or allies in an attempt to block them from joining the sphere war as you are technically still at war with the sphere leader / ally."
How old is that? Might have been made after this series or they might be using slightly modified Reno rules.
@@Michaelonyoutub From what i remember it was the same ruleset used for the campaign as it was ongoing. I talked with the Scandi player between sessions and we noticed that rule, but it was too late to change anything since no one noticed during the session. It's definitely not modified or out of date.
It's brutal to say because I love Bigweevil and it's kind of scummy, but I honestly hope Spud betrays the deal and refuses to give up Dalmatia and parts of Istria. Cores with lots of accepted POPs, and (more importantly) it makes the map look nice!!1!1!!11! We all know Vic 2 is a map painting game!!! In all seriousness though, after defeating the Ottomans and Aragon, the Balkans seems like the best expansion option. Hungary is much weaker, Spud can connect his territory in Italy and Greece to avoid naval invasions, get more connected ports for an even bigger late game navy, and it would be fairly easy to defend (compared to expanding pretty much anywhere else, such as overseas or North Africa). Excited to see the next part! :)
I burst out laughing when turkey typed nvm Dec on you and attaturk just showed up on screen
As Italian, it's beautiful to see the unification
As an Italian from Veneto, I feel that times 2 :)
@@m8956 ehhh I don't know honestly. The Savoia weren't a good ruling family
@@Capopio weee Veneto gang toso
@@radec5437 Funnily enough, one of ghe few good kings Spain has had in the past 300 years was Amadeo di Savoia. Lasted a whole 2 years and 3 months before abdication.
26:51 The war is physically taking a toll on him
‘dec Hungry’
“Based Based Based”
lmao
Damn dual monarchy really gas lighted me into thinking you were gonna btfo burgundy
Don't feel bad about it, Loco has demonstrated his Jedi mind tricks time and again. The funniest part is when they backfire spectacularly.
Scandi i believe has "Contain Hegemon" on you as Italy I noticed that earlier you had 26 infamy
and someone said about containment
so if there was not rules to prevent it even with just contain hegemon they would be able to join in without the cores
4 minutes in and I'm getting my fight or flight response from seeing a general named "Prospero".
Right after the "meta enemies ally" explanation I got an ad starting with "together we can do it" which was quite fitting.
It seems an inherent problem with your ruleset is that it requires a mod to interpret people's intentions and there's no way to that without making people unhappy.
No one is ever ready for Ataturk jumpscare.
Everybody was trashtalking on GreenFors. But this episode solidifies that the Bohemia player is the worst of this campaign.
Italy at war? But the goal was not to be the funny nation.
He won’t be the funny nation if he and DM win. Which is admittedly up in the air
Ottomans are the funny nation at this point
A mistake doesn't a funny nation make. It takes much more than that (can anyone say Bohemia?)
Heh. But as he said, falling into complacency and not looking for an expansion route isn't his style. Besides, it would be boring both to play and watch if the rest of the campaign was just him idling in the corner building factories, even if that might be the optimal strategy.
That new DM guy is really funny ngl
Loco orgasming at the casualty numbers in the battle north of Paris is the funniest shit I ever heard
everyone does that in the games lmao
How does Burgundy Consistently just roll DM and Italy in battle, just so many encirclements.
Better mil tech lol
Wasn't the burgundy player supposed to be a rookie or something
Burgundy had all of his troops concentrated in the north while Italy's and DM's forces were spread out and when they sent all their troops north it was already too late.
I’m from Italy (particularly liking this series in fact) and have really enjoyed every mp campaign on Victoria II, thanks spud!
Truly the highlight of Friday’s.
I hate this ruleset, most of the "geopolitics" seems to be abusing the rules to get your way
bruh Atatürk jumpscare 💀
Failing to go 5 years without a skill issue campaign, I love it
I've been loving the series so far :)
Scandi clearly has acquire factory on DM!
5:46
I'd like to say that I took the rather more original route of dying on Hungary and taking your Aragon-italy down with me in it's defense
Europe in Falmes is best mod. Serbia having 10 mil tech in 1836 and two extra states at the start of the game isn't broken and, while I could explain why I believe so, I'm too busy writing a 10,000 word treaty stating that all minors must surrender 22 infamy to me or suffer a 50 infamy penalty and total loss of prestige.
Scandi has containment. Italy is over 25 infamy
The Turks on some non-stop king shit this entire game. Never thought I'd say that about them
Salute to the Sultan Virtualrock's last hurrahs against the Adriatic-Persian Gulf Alliance
New to watching this guy but I find it hilarious that he loses every big war so far that I have seen.
Yeah, he usually gets better results than this, but he is human and sometimes messes things up. Sometimes it's his ally's fault instead, but to give Spud credit he usually admits when he's at fault.
Scandinavia has containment on at least Italy, and I am guessing he must have it on the DM as well and that is the cb Scandinavia has on both Italy and DM
It's like the universe needed to balance the unfunnyness of Italy and made the entire campaign a comedy show
I'm glad I can keep catching these videos, thanks for working so hard on them, Spudun!
Absolutely loving this series and its format, especially the analyses.
iraq looks strong, what pops does he have accepted, can he create arabia?
Has there been a series where dual monarchy has done well 😂
5:49 yes, and that's a based thing to do
spuds map was looking too good so the balance gods intervened
Holy shit I laughed out loud at 1:00, can't believe you're a snitch spud
Sees video: smiles, for good content has been found.
Been waiting all week for this.
Is the other cb he could’ve used contain nation against u
New Spudgun upload? Time to tell my boss I’m gonna be in the bathroom for 40 minutes
the bohemia player is trully the god of skill issue
Ooh yeah I've been waiting all week for this
Another great video
I swear to god the video length is a decoy, you made us think we were getting a climactic war, instead we got 10 minutes of analysis and attaturke memes.
I look forward to these every Friday, I’ll watch after work :)
As an avid Mughal player, my heart always breaks when seeing the Mughal Empire get partitioned
great sthit
Guys if your girl
*Is colored yellow in the map*
*Works with you*
*Screws Up trying to 1v1 someone instead of sneak attacking*
Then that's not your girl, that's Bohemia
It took some very strange search terms for an hour to find the ataturk jumpscare
God makes my fridays 10 times better
There are three things I'm this anxious about. F1, HP Magic Awakened and Spudgun's videos
Love this channel and this series
It seems like being a DM player makes your IQ drop into the single digits
Fucking love your stuff spud, think i watched the American bloodbath three times so far. Thanks for making such amazing content
Scandi has containment on Italy?
The amount of Civ 5 music played in this video is staggering.
Ah the answer to your Q is easy if you actually watched the vid! Everyone got containment CBs on you for your infamy a little bit before the war, and Scandi would have that available to him if he didnt have the acquire state one
Get those mil techs up
OH SHIT TRIVIA! I'm pretty sure scandi would have containment cb on italy because you have over 25 infamy.
I hope this war doesn’t end the same as the war of the Skill Issue
was it containment on italy that scandi could use to merge war?
A venetian italy? BASED
Man I hope you guys don’t lose the Burgundian war again.
I think Scandinavia has containment on you, right?
Fridays are always better with the weekly video
Oh it's the most wonderful time of the week.
The chat had to take a short leave during it’s visit with the pope, no reason.
Recommend
Only Victoria 2 CZcamsr I watch. Addicted since the Chad Serbia.
Highlight of the week ngl.
Roma Invicta
I would love virtualrock time.
only spud has the power to make italy a viable nation in mp
7:13 n word in the chat, dont know if u gotta censor that or its demonotized but u should probably do it anyway
Would be interesting if this got moved over to HOI4
Was there 1 campaign where Bohemia wasn't the funny nation beside BigWeevil's?
Nah, Bohemia is usually a fairly large and relevant power in any game where they don't get teamed up on day 1 by Burgundy/Scandi/Poland. I can't remember any other campaigns on this channel where Bohemia was irrelevant.
Top tier
How can I find any community that hosts vic 2 mp games? :/
32:28 *Top 10 Anime Betrayals*
Containement!
Mare Nostrum goal? Focus on getting Anatolia and North Africa. Get that Suez asap. Get that Gibraltar strait, be like the Romans and eat Spain. Idk if you'd have enough infamy to just annex that much, but just complete domination of the Mediterranean sounds like the cool guy play and probably the most natural expansion, especially if North Africa has little resistance and the rest of the ottomans are free AND your army has that much untapped power
Is it that scandi has a containment CB on italy and DM?
Atatürk jumpscare lmaooo